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Topic: What represents the soul in western astrology?
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Aries Eagle Moderator Posts: 1561 From: Λ Ἄρης Λ Registered: Jan 2013
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posted June 06, 2019 07:30 AM
I know in vedic they say the sun represent the soul, what about western Thanks in advance!IP: Logged |
SecretGeek Knowflake Posts: 1377 From: Dallas Registered: Nov 2013
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posted June 06, 2019 01:20 PM
I don't know what they teach, but the entire chart represents the soul, right? IP: Logged |
Sunnya Knowflake Posts: 617 From: Sunnyland Registered: Jun 2014
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posted June 06, 2019 03:27 PM
Pluto corresponds to the Soul in Evolutionary Astrology.IP: Logged |
Aries Eagle Moderator Posts: 1561 From: Λ Ἄρης Λ Registered: Jan 2013
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posted June 06, 2019 10:00 PM
quote: Originally posted by SecretGeek: I don't know what they teach, but the entire chart represents the soul, right?
Could be i really don't know. IP: Logged |
Aries Eagle Moderator Posts: 1561 From: Λ Ἄρης Λ Registered: Jan 2013
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posted June 06, 2019 10:03 PM
quote: Originally posted by Sunnya: Pluto corresponds to the Soul in Evolutionary Astrology.
Interesting, that is almost the opposite of vedic astrology... ruler of the underworld planet corresponds to the soul! Hmm i need to research more on this subject. IP: Logged |
athenegoddess Knowflake Posts: 185 From: us Registered: Sep 2018
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posted June 06, 2019 10:43 PM
The Moon represents the soul. IP: Logged |
Dumuzi Knowflake Posts: 1569 From: degenerate#5188 Registered: Oct 2018
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posted June 07, 2019 12:00 AM
sun is self not soul, and that makes sense anyway given its rulership over leo and leos connection with the ego in vedic astrology the most important thing to look at is their moon nakshatra followed by their lagna nakshatra and only after those do you even pay attention to the sun your ego isn't your soul, soul isn't your self at least i've never come across that idea in any of the vedic stuff i've read or heard, and i've never met a vedic astrologer who ranks the sun as the most important part of a chart and you'd think a person's soul would be IP: Logged |
moongaze Knowflake Posts: 258 From: Registered: Sep 2016
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posted June 07, 2019 12:40 AM
It's not the Sun. In Vedic astrology, this would be referred to as the Atmakaraka, the ruler of one's soul. Whatever planet is in the highest degree among Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter and Saturn would be your soul planet. I think most Vedic astrologers exclude Rahu and Ketu, since they are lunar nodes. I suppose you can view your Atmakaraka from Vedic as your soul planet in Western too. In my Western chart, my soul planet is still in the highest degree as in Vedic. IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness Knowflake Posts: 7112 From: Registered: Aug 2012
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posted June 07, 2019 12:44 AM
^ Wouldn't apply in every chart tho depending on the degrees, in Vedic mine is Mars, in Western my Atmakaraka is Pluto.IP: Logged |
Aries Eagle Moderator Posts: 1561 From: Λ Ἄρης Λ Registered: Jan 2013
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posted June 07, 2019 12:48 AM
@Dumuzi here are some sources of vedic astrology that state that the sun represent the soul. quote: http://www.indastro.com/planets/sun-planet.html Sun is a luminary, a star that shines bright enough to light the whole world. Without its heat and light, we are nothing but an ice-ball. Sun is what shakes things up; it is the life giving force. Its energy is profound, and decides whether you become a radiant smiling face or hide behind the clouds of ego and aggression. Sun in Vedic astrology represents the Soul It is the representation of your outer self, of how you project yourself to the world and what makes you stand apart from the rest. It is the crux of one’s identity and how it is preserved. It is the courage and confidence you employ to fight off the everyday challenges.
quote: http://astrology-coaching.com/astrology/planets/sun-the-king-in-vedic-astrology/ Sun is one of the most important planets/ grahas in Vedic Astrology. Still when we speak about Hindu astrology, we should keep in mind that Moon takes priority here and this is one of the main differences between Vedic and Western Astrology – Western astrology is based entirely upon the Sun and Sun is the main significator there.In Vedic Astrology Sun is indicator of: father soul and Ego power and ambition vitality, confidence, power dignity authority and government professional status popularity energy the heart Due to its heat,Sun is considered to be a mild malefic and have harmful influence in the house where it is positioned. of course all depends on the natal chart of the individual, but still there will be some challenges in regards with this house Sun rules the soul and therefore is called the atmakaraka or the soul indicator. According to Vedic Astrologer we are born to be punished by the sun. Soul must take physical form in this material world suit and pay back its karma, go through the ups & downs of emotions, deal with gain and loss, sadness and happiness, hunger and fulfilment. This is why Surya represents the SOUL and thats why Sun is considered as mild malefic – the soul doesnt like to be here , in this world, but the Sun took it and punish it to take be here on this planet.
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SoulOfABird Knowflake Posts: 685 From: California Registered: Sep 2017
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posted June 07, 2019 02:32 AM
quote: Originally posted by Dumuzi: sun is self not soul, and that makes sense anyway given its rulership over leo and leos connection with the ego in vedic astrology the most important thing to look at is their moon nakshatra followed by their lagna nakshatra and only after those do you even pay attention to the sun your ego isn't your soul, soul isn't your self at least i've never come across that idea in any of the vedic stuff i've read or heard, and i've never met a vedic astrologer who ranks the sun as the most important part of a chart and you'd think a person's soul would be
What is the difference between soul and self? I feel like who you are (self) is shaped a lot by your soul so it’s essentially the same thing right? ------------------ I appreciate the masterpiece that is you, because your existence alone is art IP: Logged |
Sunnya Knowflake Posts: 617 From: Sunnyland Registered: Jun 2014
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posted June 07, 2019 06:12 AM
quote: Originally posted by Aries Eagle: Interesting, that is almost the opposite of vedic astrology... ruler of the underworld planet corresponds to the soul! Hmm i need to research more on this subject.
It makes sense if you check the core archetype of Pluto. I recommend that you check Jeffrey Wolf Green work, the founder of EA. On youtube, you can also find a few videos of conferences he did in the past. The more you check EA, the more it will make sense to you. At least for me, it enriched and expanded my work. IP: Logged |
SecretGeek Knowflake Posts: 1377 From: Dallas Registered: Nov 2013
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posted June 07, 2019 07:59 AM
Soul and self are the same thing.The ego is part of the mind which is part of self. Self is mind, will, & emotions. The human spirit is bound to the soul at conception and represents life in the flesh. The human spirit contains a conscience, communion channel, & an external wisdom channel. Humility is the soul being submissive to our assigned human spirit. IP: Logged |
mirage29 Knowflake Posts: 11631 From: us Registered: May 2012
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posted June 07, 2019 10:30 AM
Wow. Great info in this thread. Thanks! There's another kind of astrology that deals with the Soul's expression. Here's a link to a website I randomly chose. - http://www.aplaceinspace.net/pages/esoteric-astrology-journey-soul IP: Logged |
two-headed-she Knowflake Posts: 57 From: LA Registered: Mar 2013
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posted June 07, 2019 11:30 AM
quote: Originally posted by SecretGeek: I don't know what they teach, but the entire chart represents the soul, right?
This. I like the least aspected planet as a window in though. IP: Logged |
Lalafortunaea Knowflake Posts: 1212 From: Registered: Jul 2017
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posted June 07, 2019 02:28 PM
Moon/IC IMOIP: Logged |
TrueScorpio Knowflake Posts: 87 From: Registered: Sep 2017
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posted June 07, 2019 05:51 PM
In my opinion soul and self are not the same thing. If we are talking about this incarnation the self is simply the form we inhabit during this lifetime, this incarnation. You can tell that my perspective comes from Evolutionary Astrology a style of astrology that believes the birth chart is a map of the soul's evolution. IP: Logged |
SoulOfABird Knowflake Posts: 685 From: California Registered: Sep 2017
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posted June 08, 2019 05:05 AM
quote: Originally posted by SecretGeek: I don't know what they teach, but the entire chart represents the soul, right?
The whole chart being the soul makes more sense to me. But I always hear people say it’s the moon sign. ------------------ I appreciate the masterpiece that is you, because your existence alone is art IP: Logged |
Aries Eagle Moderator Posts: 1561 From: Λ Ἄρης Λ Registered: Jan 2013
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posted June 08, 2019 09:26 AM
quote: Originally posted by mirage29: Wow. Great info in this thread. Thanks! There's another kind of astrology that deals with the Soul's expression. Here's a link to a website I randomly chose. - http://www.aplaceinspace.net/pages/esoteric-astrology-journey-soul
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Aries Eagle Moderator Posts: 1561 From: Λ Ἄρης Λ Registered: Jan 2013
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posted June 08, 2019 09:29 AM
I lean toward the view that the moon represent the mind which is also what vedic astrology tells, i really like vedic astrology interpretations IP: Logged |
astri Knowflake Posts: 243 From: Registered: Nov 2018
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posted June 08, 2019 09:48 AM
quote: Originally posted by athenegoddess: The Moon represents the soul.
I'd agree with that, since emotions are the gateway to the soul. The Moon is also how we express ourselves around people we are most comfortable with and when we let the 'real' us out.. IP: Logged |
Electro DGX Moderator Posts: 2149 From: Mars Registered: Jul 2015
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posted June 08, 2019 01:06 PM
They say that your Draconic Chart could be your soul chart, as it is the chart of who you wanted to be and/or who you were before you came into this world, but because of the circumstances and enviroment you grew up in, you grew into your natal chart. IP: Logged |
SoulOfABird Knowflake Posts: 685 From: California Registered: Sep 2017
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posted June 08, 2019 02:13 PM
quote: Originally posted by astri: I'd agree with that, since emotions are the gateway to the soul. The Moon is also how we express ourselves around people we are most comfortable with and when we let the 'real' us out..
But I don’t think everyone completely relates to their moon. Me for instance I don’t feel like an average Aquarius moon I read in descriptions. People close to me wouldn’t describe me as Aquarian like either. My mom is another example. She’s a Virgo moon amd I barely see her as a Virgo moon. She seems so much more like a Scorpio moon or something. Her emotional nature is almost nothing like a Virgo. ------------------ I appreciate the masterpiece that is you, because your existence alone is art IP: Logged |
SoulOfABird Knowflake Posts: 685 From: California Registered: Sep 2017
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posted June 08, 2019 02:22 PM
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mirage29 Knowflake Posts: 11631 From: us Registered: May 2012
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posted June 08, 2019 03:24 PM
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