posted July 04, 2019 07:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
@Dumuzi
I don't really see weed as that bad of a drug, especially in comparison to other drugs like alcohol for example. I still think though that it can be an addictive drug, based on my personal experiences. My dad got addicted to smoking it after my mom died because he uses it as a way to numb out his feelings. The first year since my mom passed my dad spent every single day getting stoned off of his ass and not doing anything with his time, which is understandable considering the situation. Even now though, he will be like, "I just smoke weed and do nothing at all for the rest of the day," and it will be on a daily basis. Rn, I'm taking a break from it because I find the more often you smoke it, the less enjoyable it becomes, and that can be destructive. I also know a Taurus that constantly smokes (does wax dabs multiple times a day on a daily basis), and that is why I consider it addictive.

My tightest Sun aspect is the Sun-Pluto sextile but just barely with my Moon trine. I have Moon opposite Pluto exact at 0°01 (my Moon is also in my 8th house) and Pluto parallel my ASC (which is also parallel my Mars in Scorpio). My exact Mars-ASC conjunction in Scorpio adds a lot to the amount of anger I struggle with and try to keep under control. I try really hard not to make waves and cause problems but sometimes there's a limit to that and then I just turn nasty. I shock myself at remembering things people did to me out of the blue and it's almost like I keep an extensive record of things that have happened to me when I have been hurt.

I see my dad as living in this made up the reality of his based on his standards and the way he grew up. You can't actually debate with him on anything without him trying to shut it down or say it's wrong while also preaching about how open-minded he is. He'll be super annoying by making the same, tired old jokes over and over and over again 24/7, complain about everyone non-stop behind their back without saying anything about what's bothering him to them and makes excuses to just be a dick and say nasty **** . When I confront him on some of these things he pretty much refuses to do anything about it and just expects me to deal with it, which is funny considering how often he ******* about people doing things he doesn't like. I've pretty much given up completely on trying to find any sort of validation or emotional support from him; he's completely incapable of it and has no desire to try to change. I told him about how I would often feel like I could never live up to his expectations and he pretty much told me to just get used to it because "that's a part of life." Apparently, having a father who has impossible standards for people is a part of life lol.

You said you were an Aries Moon though? I feel like that plays a part in you being able to let go of things; Aries Moons don't like holding onto that kind of baggage, they would rather be on with their life doing things rather than sitting here dwelling on things that have happened in the past. My Moon is in Gemini so supposedly it is supposed to be similar but it's not like that for me at all. I would have to have a legitimate apology from said person to be able to move on from it and if I don't get one, I will cut them out of my life. The way I see it, the way people handle their mistakes tells far more about them than what they decided to say from their lips.

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when i smoke weed i tend to smoke it all day every day from the time i wake up until i go to sleep every time the high starts to wear down

right now i've been smoking for i'm not sure how long, whenever saturn went retrograde around then i sobered up for a minute when saturn first squared a bunch of **** in my chart

i know all the things that have hurt me, but i tend to just not be worried about it if a behavior reoccurs eventually something i might let slide here and there will start to irritate me because i'm generally not bothered by most things

i don't have moon-pluto though i imagine that really makes a difference my moon is trining uranus and mercury so i'm sure that makes a big difference

if something deeply hurts then it might bother me on and off for a while, but i can let go of it and move on

i can be very cruel because i can be very cold and detached and when i'm hurt at a certain point i don't care at all about the other person anymore

in close relationships i can hold that in though because i know i'll move past it and get on with life and still care

edit: went out before i finished responding sorry about that

your father sounds difficult to say the least, i'm sorry to hear that, a lot of people who refuse to change their own flaws tend to be quick to point out other people's without ever looking at their own

i'm an aries moon yeah, and yeah i hate baggage

posted July 05, 2019 03:52 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I am reluctant to talk about it deeply. Suffice it to say, my father was "misaligned" and as such, he demonstrated the extent of this state of "misalignment".

So I don't remember much detail except that I always felt physically threatened when he was around. Like he would look to get angry & worked up about something.

My Libra Mars certainly did try to make peace with what was. I was a very sensitive child. But at times it was too much for me. Too tense . Too hostile. So a lot of me disengaged with the reality of the situation at home.

When I look at my chart, I have Sun-Jupiter-Neptune triple conjunction in 9th sextile Pluto in 7th.

My view of authority figures is to avoid them & thereby also the subsequent engages in power tactics altogether.

I don't want to be manager or the "authority".I work best by myself and in isolation. I have no relationship with authority figures & prefer to keep my distance from them(as is the case with Dad & to be honest,Mom too).

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fair enough

i know what you mean about always feeling physically threatened when your father was around, that was how it was for me too

when i was younger i liked pushing boundaries with authority, seeing what i could get away with and how far i could take things and walk away without consequences

learn where their power ended and mine began, and i did a lot of stupid **** figuring that out lol i had fun with it though

got older, learned what i could from it and i'm not sure i'd do well in jail anyway so i stopped doing a lot of that ****

among other experiments with power and such

i can't really say why i did any of it other than curiosity and for fun

i find power a source of fascination to an extent, i enjoy politics and military history

i like watching dictators, preachers, cult leaders etc speak their body language the way they phrase things etc and so on

is power something i want? over myself mostly, not other people i'm not interested in that however i recognize the reality that you either have power or you're subject to someone else's rule in many cases

posted July 05, 2019 07:56 AM            

Uranus then is exalted through 8th house because as with "evolved" Scorpio energy, the goal is to harness power over self in order to respond optimally to chaotic/unpredictable or life threatening conditions.

Contrary to popular belief, the Scorpion is famed to be energy that seeks to "control" others through fear,threat or dominance etc. Hence the infamous reputation Scorpios have.

But this is Scorpio at its "lizard" phase; where its response to uncontrollable situations etc. is to seek more control & become obsessive about overpowering others.

The "Eagle"(Scorpios more mature energy which heals) evolves beyond that & comes to know that true power is oly the power that one has to control oneself.And not so much others or thr situation.

So what you speak of there Dumuzi, is the search for self-governance which is done by breaking free from the resistance enforced by authoritative "others"(usually with violent consequences because they enjoy you "towing" the line)

Neptune is rebellious too(what I am made up of).But its response is often passive and unobtrusive. It seeks to drain the forceful energy exerted on to it, dissipate it then escape quickly.

This reminds me of a story I read of a woman who got cornered.by her rapist in her apartment.At first she resisted him but to no avail as he was more powerful and bigger. So she said she disembodied herself from her body AND the experience (don't know how she did that)and let him "think" he had won.

The rapist finished & was tired afterwards.And that's when she acted by pulling whatever strength she had left to escape,locked her rapist inside the apartment &.run to the neighbors to call the police.

I recall thinking to myself that that would have been my strategy too. If I could not fght it off, i would just accept it & then turn the tables near the end to gain self control.

Speaking of it, Transit Uranus is opposite my natal Pluto right now.And I think what the lesson is here is to loosen my grip or face being turned upside down with the grip intact.

With Pluto in 7th, I am always overbearing to those in close relations with me and try to "do them over" to what I want.

So this transit may suggest that I could face outright rebellion or a refusal from someone to "agree" to my way of thinking etc.

I experienced this potently when the transit was close to exact. I argued with co-workers about gay rights and one in particular was defiantly resistant.

The more i argued, the more he resisted and the more agitated i got. Eventually i walked off in a huff and severed ties with him for that day.

It was tense and awkward between us however for that whole month. I was Pluto,He was Uranus.I wanted to shove my thinking down his throat and he kept on being unwilling

posted July 05, 2019 10:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
fair enough

i know what you mean about always feeling physically threatened when your father was around, that was how it was for me too

when i was younger i liked pushing boundaries with authority, seeing what i could get away with and how far i could take things and walk away without consequences

learn where their power ended and mine began, and i did a lot of stupid **** figuring that out lol i had fun with it though

got older, learned what i could from it and i'm not sure i'd do well in jail anyway so i stopped doing a lot of that ****

among other experiments with power and such

i can't really say why i did any of it other than curiosity and for fun

i find power a source of fascination to an extent, i enjoy politics and military history

i like watching dictators, preachers, cult leaders etc speak their body language the way they phrase things etc and so on

is power something i want? over myself mostly, not other people i'm not interested in that however i recognize the reality that you either have power or you're subject to someone else's rule in many cases

i don't really think of power just in terms of work though it's part of many situations

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posted July 07, 2019 04:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Neptune is rebellious too(what I am made up of).But its response is often passive and unobtrusive. It seeks to drain the forceful energy exerted on to it, dissipate it then escape quickly.

This reminds me of a story I read of a woman who got cornered.by her rapist in her apartment.At first she resisted him but to no avail as he was more powerful and bigger. So she said she disembodied herself from her body AND the experience (don't know how she did that)and let him "think" he had won.

The rapist finished & was tired afterwards.And that's when she acted by pulling whatever strength she had left to escape,locked her rapist inside the apartment &.run to the neighbors to call the police.

I recall thinking to myself that that would have been my strategy too. If I could not fght it off, i would just accept it & then turn the tables near the end to gain self control.

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I can relate to this kinda disembodiment. I do this whenever I'm caught in a hurtful/stressful situation. By "detaching" myself, I numb my senses & emotions towards whatever's happening and become cold & rational in my approach.

posted July 07, 2019 09:37 AM            

To begin with my father is the person that I love the most - even though

he has been controlling, manipulative, psychologicaly abusive ( making you feel quilty, sad about things )...

We constantly have power struggles usually about politics but I guess I can be more controlling and abusive when he voices his opions. No, he is not entitled to have his opion. I know better )

( I have mercury and venus square pluto in the 10th hs )

I am quick to anger. My father so rarely. I have moon mars opposition and some other rough pluto aspects.So, I dont think Sun square Pluto is responsible for me being an agony aunt.

posted July 07, 2019 01:53 PM            

My dad isn't controlling. He could be considered emotionally unavailable, because he's not emotionally supportive and he is not the person you want to go to about your emotional problems. However, he's present and he isn't abusive. We're close enough for me to know I'll grieve when he dies.

Rather than destructive behaviors, my dad's behavior is more on the self-destructive level. He used to smoke and now he has diabetes type II because of his eating habits earlier in life. Smoking almost killed him so that's how he finally decided to quit. He's probably obese and he's pretty lazy. Overall, he's not the best parent out there, but he encourages his kids to think for themselves and form our own opinions instead of just agreeing with everything he says. If we ask why we aren't supposed to do something, he'll explain why. This is one of his best qualities as a parent. So many parents are just like, "because I said so" instead of explaining why they're saying it.

I prefer to avoid confrontation if it's possible. There are other factors in my chart that make it easier to provoke me and make me angry though. For example, Mercury in Aries and Moon square Mars, but my Gemini Moon eventually cools my temper. When I have to confront someone, it's usually from a place of trying to be understanding, not judgment of the person that irritated me.

That last bit about Sun-Pluto natives having an intimidating aura. I don't think of myself as very intimidating, but I believe I sometimes come across as aggressive. Having Mercury in Aries and Mars in Aries are contributing factors here. I'm passionate about my opinions and I unintentionally raise my voice and aggressively explain myself without wanting to even sound that way. Fortunately for others, it's rare for me to scream or yell.

Now, while I don't consider myself very intimidating, that's just on a physical level. I'm extremely difficult to influence, which is also a double-edged sword in therapy. I'm basically more successful being my own therapist instead. Since I'm so resistant to influence, this could be viewed as intimidating, because I can't be controlled and I'm basically a stubborn rock that won't move. When I get older, I'll probably have complete mastery over myself.

I also have more self-awareness of my shadow side compared to the majority of people. My darker qualities are the most likely to make me come across as intimidating, but I keep them in check and only channel them into creative pursuits.

posted July 14, 2019 03:14 AM            

Might that go some way to explaining why this Sun-Pluto contact is not experienced as a stereotypical hard opposition?

posted July 16, 2019 04:50 AM            

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Originally posted by Radium:
I have Sun square Pluto
Pluto 1st
Scorpio ASC
Venus sextile Pluto

I have incredibly strong energy and even when I am in a relaxed state or "autopilot" people are glued to me. People pick fights with me often, I have been in plenty of fights unfortunately but I am blessed with Pluto's quick regeneration abilities. That's one cool side of being a plutonian, it takes A LOT for someone to kill you. I never hit first and if someone strikes me I then have the reign to kill them in self-defense. I am not afraid to fight to the death to preserve mine or the people I love lives. About two weeks ago I was slapped for no reason because I stood my ground. I tackled him and nearly choked him to death before his friends came and knocked me off of him, they kicked me in the ribs and one hit me with a long wooden stick. I was beaten then followed by the guy I almost killed, he was ****** that I nearly took his life in front of a woman he was trying to impress. The three dudes managed to scar me up nicely and I had a deep cut on my leg. Couldn't walk straight for say a week and a two days before I was completety healed. Pluto has powers that seem to give one an incredibly strong body. I am not afraid to fight because I know after I don't have a glass jaw, I can eat a punch. I'm not afraid to get hurt but to go out a b*tch.

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posted July 18, 2019 08:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
I have Sun quincunx Pluto at 1°.

It says Sun-Pluto natives often have issues with their fathers - controlling fathers, early death of fathers or emotional unavailability, fathers behaving in destructive behaviours, etc.

I don't have these issues. My dad has been most caring to me and he gives me a lot of space. I think being a Sun square Pluto himself, he knows and understands the space & freedom I need.

Another thing... it says Sun-Pluto people are easily provoked. For me I need a few triggers (or if you so unfortunately stepped into restricted zone). My dad also isn't someone who gets into confrontations with people easily.

However, my ex who also has Sun square Pluto used to get into fights and arguments. I know another gal with Sun opposite Pluto who's also easily provoked.

One thing which is generally common among Sun-Pluto natives is the intimidating aura we present, although unintentionally. I sense it with other Sun-Pluto natives as well. This energy is different from what I get from people with Scorpio Sun/Ascendant. It's a stronger, darker vibe.

Other Sun-Pluto natives, what has been your experience?

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posted July 19, 2019 03:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Radium:
he slapped me because he was jealous and a meth addict

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Ok, Radium. ... But what had you done that caused him to be jealous?