posted July 03, 2019 04:59 AM            

It says Sun-Pluto natives often have issues with their fathers - controlling fathers, early death of fathers or emotional unavailability, fathers behaving in destructive behaviours, etc.

I don't have these issues. My dad has been most caring to me and he gives me a lot of space. I think being a Sun square Pluto himself, he knows and understands the space & freedom I need.

Another thing... it says Sun-Pluto people are easily provoked. For me I need a few triggers (or if you so unfortunately stepped into restricted zone). My dad also isn't someone who gets into confrontations with people easily.

However, my ex who also has Sun square Pluto used to get into fights and arguments. I know another gal with Sun opposite Pluto who's also easily provoked.

One thing which is generally common among Sun-Pluto natives is the intimidating aura we present, although unintentionally. I sense it with other Sun-Pluto natives as well. This energy is different from what I get from people with Scorpio Sun/Ascendant. It's a stronger, darker vibe.

posted July 03, 2019 07:28 AM            

i would say it depends on what you mean by easily provoked, i'll engage in arguments and fights without emotional attachment out of boredom but the word provoked implies an emotional state that doesn't seem fitting for that i can just as easily walk away in many cases

i'm not particularly intimidating physically, but when it comes to people's emotions and **** that seems to be different

in sexual relationships people get very intimidated by me and tend to have a lot of intense feelings early on that they get scared of and have a lot of fears being open about etc and i can be hard for people to approach (i've also had people tell me **** like they can't believe i like them or will talk to them etc)

i've also had people tell me there's something about me that makes them feel like they'd be sorry if they ****** with me and i make them nervous if they've seen me even mildly annoyed at all (even if i don't do anything)

at the same time though a lot of people are really drawn to me and like me and find me easy to get along with and feel close to etc

there's a polarizing thing there

i'm sure the first house pluto and libra ascendant with venus conjunct add to some of that though

posted July 03, 2019 07:43 AM            

Father was a alcoholic but never abused us children in any way, except in being an absent father i guess.

He died when i was 19 years old.

I have experienced people projecting all kinds of crap at me through the years, and in part because i guess i intimidate certain people who have no clue of their own Pluto and that type of energies.
I do have Pluto 3 degress from ascendant in 1st house which plays a part as well.

posted July 03, 2019 07:52 AM            

So Sun represents the "authority" figure i.e Typically Dad or the domineering parent,government,boss, manager etc.

Pluto harsh aspects to Sun suggests that there is a clash with the aforementioned figures or an internal unease from the native to "submit" themselves to instructions.

It easier for them to work "under" such people if they(Pluto-Sun) respect them and see them as "honorable".But typically speaking, very few(if any) people move Pluto folks to a point of complete obedience.

What is more frequent are power struggles,a rebellious opposition from the Pluto person & even outright standoffs.

The above responses are most likely with Pluto-Sun conjunction.Whilst the opposition is more subversively resistant(through algning oneself with others) and the square has a very touchy erratic nature that just explodes and can be the maverick.

Sun in 6th or Leo in 6th
Sun in 8th or Leo in 8th

I have the easy sextile aspect & like the trine,I'm not insistent on "usurping" the authority nor am I interested in power struggles.

What I focus energy on is getting what I want accomplished.My focus stays on the goal at hand.

My father was very domineering and physically intimidating. My natal Pluto is squaring the Mc with Mars squaring the Ic too.

We didn't have a great relationship. And with added Uranus parallel to the Mc and Neptune also parallel Mc, he was both erratic and very distant. A difficult person to understand.

posted July 03, 2019 09:01 AM            

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Originally posted by ScandinavianCrab:
I have the square.

Father was a alcoholic but never abused us children in any way, except in being an absent father i guess.

He died when i was 19 years old.

I have experienced people projecting all kinds of crap at me through the years, and in part because i guess i intimidate certain people who have no clue of their own Pluto and that type of energies.
I do have Pluto 3 degress from ascendant in 1st house which plays a part as well.

My boss at work has a almost exact opposition of sun/Pluto and she is very secreative about her private life, which of course gives people room to trashtalk about her.
Noone of my colleagues dare to do that any longer when im around though ;-)
She is the best leader i have ever worked with.

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i deal with people projecting **** on me too, and have dealt with people obsessively hating me before lol without even really interacting with the

i assumed that was pluto 1st house ****

@Aries23Degrees

i definitely don't tend to listen to people i have no respect for or in cases where i think i'm right and what i'm being told is pointless regardless of who's telling me something or consequences (unless me listening to them benefits someone else who i care about, i'm talking strictly me related)

if i like someone or i can at least respect them then i'm inclined to do what i'm asked because i want to make them happy, but if i have no desire to do that and they don't at least make sense then it just doesn't happen

i'm completely stubborn in that way, and the harder they push the more i feel the need to not give in even if i don't care much about the initial issue it just becomes about not doing something for someone just based on "rank"

no impulse control with it either though i was worse with it when i was a kid i just react then run with it because i'm already in the moment so i may as well "win"

i've been like that as far back as i can remember like when i was really young (before i was 5) i'd choose being hit and screamed at for hours then punished over doing something i was told to do that i didn't want to do

with parents like that authority figures who can't do worse to you become jokes, and that's definitely how i've acted towards teachers, cops etc throughout my life

posted July 03, 2019 11:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i have sun sextile pluto and my father was/is controlling, emotionally unavailable, and engages in destructive behavior extremely abusive etc so that's true for me

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I also have Sun sextile Pluto and this is true for me. My dad has always been emotionally unavailable, especially since my mom passed away from cancer. My dad also has been addicted to marijuana usage while also being very destructive and abusive. He constantly talks about how bad he can get when he's angry and how he can be quite the force to be reckoned with. Pluto in his chart ironically enough is one of his weakest planets (it sits in Libra in his fifth house).

I have my sun, moon, and asc all aspecting Pluto while also being a Scorpio rising; I guess that adds to the intimidation factor. I honestly try really hard to not rock the boat and start conflicts but once somebody has done me wrong it leaves a bitter resentment in me that never leaves. I may be a nice person but you don't want to witness me when I'm angry. I can be quite nasty.

posted July 03, 2019 12:28 PM            

I read the responses you have on here and I think Uranus is very active in your case.Lol.

I used to fear beatings when I was young. So I did whatever my father wanted-even as I disagreed with his bullying tactics.I just didn't want the confrontations.
I used to dream about disappearing a lot from home.

My sister has Uranus-Saturn opp Mars-Chiron.

Sun/Moon midpoint=Uranus/Sat/Mars/Chiron
Asc/Sun midpoint=Saturn/Mars/Uranus/Chiron
Moon/Mercury midpoint=Saturn/Mars/Ura/Chiron

posted July 03, 2019 12:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
I also have Sun sextile Pluto and this is true for me. My dad has always been emotionally unavailable, especially since my mom passed away from cancer. My dad also has been addicted to marijuana usage while also being very destructive and abusive. He constantly talks about how bad he can get when he's angry and how he can be quite the force to be reckoned with. Pluto in his chart ironically enough is one of his weakest planets (it sits in Libra in his fifth house).

I have my sun, moon, and asc all aspecting Pluto while also being a Scorpio rising; I guess that adds to the intimidation factor. I honestly try really hard to not rock the boat and start conflicts but once somebody has done me wrong it leaves a bitter resentment in me that never leaves. I may be a nice person but you don't want to witness me when I'm angry. I can be quite nasty.

I know someone who has a Yod with Sun-Saturn conj. Quincunx Pluto in Sag and Libra Moon. She is a mess; alcohol addiction problems steming from her abusive father who died from alcohol abuse. She keeps following in his footsteps and is completely unware of where she is going; it will destroy her if she doesn't get out soon.

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i just finished smoking weed and now i'm reading this, been binging, drank last night too but this is my version of clean because if it's not physically addictive i don't count it the same especially not after heroin

so it was interesting to read you write about it in that context because i see it as my non addiction choice

my sun is sextile pluto, trine neptune, square saturn

my mother is still alive and they've been married longer than i've been alive, but the majority of my interactions with my father have been him yelling at me

mostly over frivolous ******** things because most of the really bad **** i did growing up (vandalism, setting things on fire, shoplifting, playing chicken, etc and so on) he didn't even know about, but no one in my family did to be fair just the people i did that sort of **** with

i've had one actual conversation with him ever that wasn't about something like cars or movies or us making fun of something (it was me considering suicide because he was the only one there and he spent a while telling me he didn't accept me and then he handed me some money because that's how that goes with him)

the closest he gets to affection is through money and food (his addiction, though when he was younger he was on coke and used drugs but as far as i know stopped before i was born he did drink though here and there)i probably haven't hugged my father since i was like **** 4 or something

it's whatever,he's got his own **** going on there i know a bit about his childhood through my aunts, uncles, and mother and stories he tells when there's other people around and he's mostly talking to them so i understand why he behaved in the manner he did and **** happens and all that

he's got his issues, and anyway he's old as **** now and one of the last times i was really around him he needed help opening a jar

the only thing i've ever really done with my father is drink though, since i was a teenager every so often we'll have a few drinks together but not really speak

the only other thing pluto aspects in my chart is a sextile to neptune so i have less of that going on than you, what are the aspects your moon and ascendant make? im assuming conjunction for the ascendant

i'm similar in the sense that you don't want to see me angry because i can completely emotionally detach and be destructive and i'm a complete ******* not going to lie, however, i'm mostly nice hard to get there and don't really like being bothered because i'm apathetic about most ****

i don't really hold grudges but maybe that's because of the lack of scorpio personal placements, i tend to see that with scorpio rather than just pluto and i'm not particularly bitter about things because i don't tend to take things other people do personally since i see their behavior as a reflection of them not me

if i took things that happened personally i guess i'd probably feel bitter sometimes but no, it'd have to be deep and even then eh i can let **** go and move on and maybe occasionally i'll think about something for a minute and it'll bother me a little and then it's gone and it may as well not have happened

my fiancee has that bitter resentment thing going on and has a lot of scorpio and no pluto-sun

i hope she's not at the point of physical withdrawal, you can drink a lot and often without getting there i've tested that pretty well throughout my life

posted July 03, 2019 01:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
@Dumuzi

I read the responses you have on here and I think Uranus is very active in your case.Lol.

I used to fear beatings when I was young. So I did whatever my father wanted-even as I disagreed with his bullying tactics.I just didn't want the confrontations.
I used to dream about disappearing a lot from home.

My sister has Uranus-Saturn opp Mars-Chiron.

Sun/Moon midpoint=Uranus/Sat/Mars/Chiron
Asc/Sun midpoint=Saturn/Mars/Uranus/Chiron
Moon/Mercury midpoint=Saturn/Mars/Ura/Chiron

You can be the President or a Peasant.You can't tell her nothing!

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lol yeah i figured uranus had a lot to do with it because i'm like your sister in that way, it always comes down to what i think and that's all there is to it (i'm sure my mercury being in leo and aspecting uranus makes that even better)

was your father the type to hit you specifically when you didn't do what you were told and not at any other time? because i got hit for things i didn't do, things my younger brother did or made up when he wanted to get his way (my father openly favors him), just being in a room at a wrong time or having trouble sleeping at night, being sick without a fever etc

so for me it didn't really make a difference if i did something or not eventually i was going to get hit for something anyway, and it was better at least to have it happen on my terms with something i cared about at stake that i could win

i wouldn't give in and very often my parents would tire themselves out or it'd take so long that whatever they were trying to force me to do wasn't even worth bothering with anymore so those were victories and beatings that i saw as worthwhile as a kid

i was afraid of them, and it hurt, but at the same time once it was over it was over and they'd be mad enough to leave me alone for a while + i got something i wanted

i understand just giving in though, my younger brother would and he had it significantly easier than i did

it made you aware of power dynamics and tactics though

though your libra mars probably is part of what drove you to keep the peace too, i know i have libra in my chart too but uranus is aspecting all those placements anyway

understandable why you'd dream about that btw, i didn't really do that as a kid, i'd just hide in the bathroom and play with anything i could drink in the medicine cabinet that had any effect as an escape

posted July 03, 2019 01:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i just finished smoking weed and now i'm reading this, been binging, drank last night too but this is my version of clean because if it's not physically addictive i don't count it the same especially not after heroin

so it was interesting to read you write about it in that context because i see it as my non addiction choice

my sun is sextile pluto, trine neptune, square saturn

my mother is still alive and they've been married longer than i've been alive, but the majority of my interactions with my father have been him yelling at me

mostly over frivolous ******** things because most of the really bad **** i did growing up (vandalism, setting things on fire, shoplifting, playing chicken, etc and so on) he didn't even know about, but no one in my family did to be fair just the people i did that sort of **** with

i've had one actual conversation with him ever that wasn't about something like cars or movies or us making fun of something (it was me considering suicide because he was the only one there and he spent a while telling me he didn't accept me and then he handed me some money because that's how that goes with him)

the closest he gets to affection is through money and food (his addiction, though when he was younger he was on coke and used drugs but as far as i know stopped before i was born he did drink though here and there)i probably haven't hugged my father since i was like **** 4 or something

it's whatever,he's got his own **** going on there i know a bit about his childhood through my aunts, uncles, and mother and stories he tells when there's other people around and he's mostly talking to them so i understand why he behaved in the manner he did and **** happens and all that

he's got his issues, and anyway he's old as **** now and one of the last times i was really around him he needed help opening a jar

the only thing i've ever really done with my father is drink though, since i was a teenager every so often we'll have a few drinks together but not really speak

the only other thing pluto aspects in my chart is a sextile to neptune so i have less of that going on than you, what are the aspects your moon and ascendant make? im assuming conjunction for the ascendant

i'm similar in the sense that you don't want to see me angry because i can completely emotionally detach and be destructive and i'm a complete ******* not going to lie, however, i'm mostly nice hard to get there and don't really like being bothered because i'm apathetic about most ****

i don't really hold grudges but maybe that's because of the lack of scorpio personal placements, i tend to see that with scorpio rather than just pluto and i'm not particularly bitter about things because i don't tend to take things other people do personally since i see their behavior as a reflection of them not me

if i took things that happened personally i guess i'd probably feel bitter sometimes but no, it'd have to be deep and even then eh i can let **** go and move on and maybe occasionally i'll think about something for a minute and it'll bother me a little and then it's gone and it may as well not have happened

my fiancee has that bitter resentment thing going on and has a lot of scorpio and no pluto-sun

i hope she's not at the point of physical withdrawal, you can drink a lot and often without getting there i've tested that pretty well throughout my life

heroin withdrawal was one of the worst things i've ever felt, and alcohol withdrawal is supposedly worse and i can't even ******* imagine that not to mention staying away from something legal is harder

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posted July 03, 2019 05:09 PM            

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Originally posted by kani:
I have sun quincunx pluto and yeah father was abusive.
I've always had issues with "authority" figures who were never exuded true inner authority by having a strong backbone and integrity but who just relied on their position.

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I have sun square pluto and ALL my life everyone told me my father was abusive and that he beat my mother and I believed it because when I was young Id see them fighting even though what I saw was only verbal, shouting, arguing etc. but then later after my mother died, other family members confessed to me that wasnt true that it was both their faults and not one-sided like I was made to believe my whole life. Makes sense now because I never actually witnessed him abuse her and my father NEVER laid an abusive hand on me or my siblings. We got spankings and if we were really really bad we got the belt but he never abused us. Has anybody else with the square or other sun-pluto aspect had a similar experience, where a parent they belived to be abusive or was told, actually wasnt??

posted July 03, 2019 05:56 PM            

My tightest Sun aspect is the Sun-Pluto sextile but just barely with my Moon trine. I have Moon opposite Pluto exact at 0°01 (my Moon is also in my 8th house) and Pluto parallel my ASC (which is also parallel my Mars in Scorpio). My exact Mars-ASC conjunction in Scorpio adds a lot to the amount of anger I struggle with and try to keep under control. I try really hard not to make waves and cause problems but sometimes there's a limit to that and then I just turn nasty. I shock myself at remembering things people did to me out of the blue and it's almost like I keep an extensive record of things that have happened to me when I have been hurt.

I see my dad as living in this made up the reality of his based on his standards and the way he grew up. You can't actually debate with him on anything without him trying to shut it down or say it's wrong while also preaching about how open-minded he is. He'll be super annoying by making the same, tired old jokes over and over and over again 24/7, complain about everyone non-stop behind their back without saying anything about what's bothering him to them and makes excuses to just be a dick and say nasty **** . When I confront him on some of these things he pretty much refuses to do anything about it and just expects me to deal with it, which is funny considering how often he ******* about people doing things he doesn't like. I've pretty much given up completely on trying to find any sort of validation or emotional support from him; he's completely incapable of it and has no desire to try to change. I told him about how I would often feel like I could never live up to his expectations and he pretty much told me to just get used to it because "that's a part of life." Apparently, having a father who has impossible standards for people is a part of life lol.

posted July 03, 2019 06:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
lol yeah i figured uranus had a lot to do with it because i'm like your sister in that way, it always comes down to what i think and that's all there is to it (i'm sure my mercury being in leo and aspecting uranus makes that even better)

was your father the type to hit you specifically when you didn't do what you were told and not at any other time? because i got hit for things i didn't do, things my younger brother did or made up when he wanted to get his way (my father openly favors him), just being in a room at a wrong time or having trouble sleeping at night, being sick without a fever etc

so for me it didn't really make a difference if i did something or not eventually i was going to get hit for something anyway, and it was better at least to have it happen on my terms with something i cared about at stake that i could win

i wouldn't give in and very often my parents would tire themselves out or it'd take so long that whatever they were trying to force me to do wasn't even worth bothering with anymore so those were victories and beatings that i saw as worthwhile as a kid

i was afraid of them, and it hurt, but at the same time once it was over it was over and they'd be mad enough to leave me alone for a while + i got something i wanted

i understand just giving in though, my younger brother would and he had it significantly easier than i did

it made you aware of power dynamics and tactics though

though your libra mars probably is part of what drove you to keep the peace too, i know i have libra in my chart too but uranus is aspecting all those placements anyway

understandable why you'd dream about that btw, i didn't really do that as a kid, i'd just hide in the bathroom and play with anything i could drink in the medicine cabinet that had any effect as an escape

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I am reluctant to talk about it deeply. Suffice it to say, my father was "misaligned" and as such, he demonstrated the extent of this state of "misalignment".

So I don't remember much detail except that I always felt physically threatened when he was around. Like he would look to get angry & worked up about something.

My Libra Mars certainly did try to make peace with what was. I was a very sensitive child. But at times it was too much for me. Too tense . Too hostile. So a lot of me disengaged with the reality of the situation at home.

When I look at my chart, I have Sun-Jupiter-Neptune triple conjunction in 9th sextile Pluto in 7th.

My view of authority figures is to avoid them & thereby also the subsequent engages in power tactics altogether.

I don't want to be manager or the "authority".I work best by myself and in isolation. I have no relationship with authority figures & prefer to keep my distance from them(as is the case with Dad & to be honest,Mom too).

posted July 04, 2019 02:35 AM            

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Originally posted by echos_answer:
I have this too—pluto inconjunct sun. I experience it as difficulty stepping into or accepting/integrating personal power. Pluto will always bring to the surface anything I tend to want to repress, in this case it is my sense if agency. The inconjunct feels like a blind spot for me, or a supreme awkwardness.

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posted July 04, 2019 04:08 AM            

My childhood friend has Libra Pluto trine Aqua Sun and she's more rebellious than me. She has a domineering father.

I've another friend with Pluto conjunct Libra Sun/Mercury (seems like her mom exert more influence on her). Anyway, she's about the only Sun-Pluto person I know who isn't intimidating or aggressive, probably because of the Libra energy.

Instead of dad, I've always had power struggles with my mom. She has 12H Pluto widely conjunct Leo Asc.

It was especially bad during childhood all the way to my young adult years. So in my case, she's the "authority figure" I struggled with. She's a good mom (she takes care of us etc) but she was also controlling and overbearing.

I'm mostly not rebellious (except towards my mom) but I question the authorities a lot. So in a way I can be seen as the "difficult one" and/or sometimes the rebel leader although I never wanted to be one.

Although I often get people saying I appear intimidating but they also would try to exert influence on me.. and of course they will receive my aggression. Other than that, I'm usually very peaceful and non-confrontational. I just want people to leave me alone.

It seems that quincunx is a confusing energy. On one hand, I get the "you seem so intimidating" comment all the time. On the other hand, I get people thinking I can be easily controlled/influenced.

posted July 04, 2019 06:27 AM            

I second the people projecting their own under-recognized and under-utilized Pluto on you. People tend to think, without much provocation or evidence, that I want more power than I really do. I've had bosses tell me before that they trust me to keep the place running smoothly while they're gone but that if they're gone too long, they know that I'll have their job and will bring running the place. I don't crave power but authenticity, integrity and stability. Recognition is always nice and I do like being able to say that I have credentials and degrees that qualify me for a higher level of management. I just don't think that I would ever be comfortable being in that position.

posted July 04, 2019 06:04 PM            

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Originally posted by SadalSuud211:
Oh god what you said about the bitterness is true (I have the sun square with my pluto being in scorpio and alot of pluto-inner planet aspects) and theres some people in my family I STILL dont/wont, just refuse to talk to, because of the things that have happened between us, also that I feel are their faults but they wont own up to it and apologize for hurting me when Ive apologized and worked and improved on myself to be a better person but they refuse to recognize that, they always see me as the same person even though Ive given them the benefit of the doubt and then they end up just backstabbing me being the same way they always were. They havent changed and I have but they act like its the other way around ~*huge sigh*~ but I dont sound bitter at all right? Lol

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just a bit lol, though i don't think it's wrong to cut people out of your life if they make you miserable and things aren't working