posted August 06, 2019 03:46 AM            

I don't know if you remember, but a while ago you were curious about my chart and whether we have similarities in our natals and I posted it. You were "shocked" about the amount of water lol and I told you that my boyfriend's brother basically has the same chart but is a highly logical and successful person in his profession (we were talking about careers in particular).

While my career is in the film industry, he is a software engineer/programmer, who works 10 days a month and travels the rest of the days of the month. He earns quite a lot, has a big penthouse and drives a fancy car.
All our planets are in the same signs, just the ascendant is different. His is in Virgo.

You said you were curious about his chart and I got my hands on his birth time so here it is.

[img]https://i.ibb.co/ZdBHMy1/A-chart.jpg[/img]

posted August 06, 2019 04:31 AM            

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Originally posted by ULT12:
I'm not the Plutonian person, but.. I want to explore the topic of you and him and you compared to him with you but right now I'm preoccupied. I'll try to be back! We'll see. In the meantime, this is your and Plutonian's thread.....

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Of course you are welcome to join in

posted August 07, 2019 06:55 AM            

Anytime Saturn is either in the 4/10th,ruling the 4/10th or in aspect to the Mc/Ic rulers.Or when in the 2nd, ruling the 2nd or in aspect to the 2nd house ruler etc.it tends to make for a grounded individual.

Concrete things,tangibles, logic etc. is very much a part of their sense of security. So they are likely to choose jobs that are more about concrete concepts than pure creativity i.e business administration, programming, mathematics, science etc.

Mercury in 6th certainly suggests a strongly "detail oriented" job. There are a lot of specifications the person must adhere to or the nature of the individual itself is the type to be finicky and thereby tends to be drawn to jobs that will require one to dot their i's & cross their t's.

Uranus conjunct Ic makes one comfortable with crises, change or flux. So a very demanding itinerary or mentally consuming tasks are warranted(this especially when we note that Saturn is in 2nd and conjuncts Jupiter).

He may unconsciously attract very technically sophisticated jobs or ones that require mental alertness and not necessarily because he "likes" them per se. But they just feel very familiar or like home (Ic) to him.

So many things I can say about his chart, it is just "singing" to me. Notice how Capricorn is the 5th house? He enjoys hard work or enjoys being productive.

posted August 07, 2019 12:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Mercury in 6th
Uranus opposes Mc conjunct Ic.
Saturn in 2nd.

Anytime Saturn is either in the 4/10th,ruling the 4/10th or in aspect to the Mc/Ic rulers.Or when in the 2nd, ruling the 2nd or in aspect to the 2nd house ruler etc.it tends to make for a grounded individual.

Concrete things,tangibles, logic etc. is very much a part of their sense of security. So they are likely to choose jobs that are more about concrete concepts than pure creativity i.e business administration, programming, mathematics, science etc.

Mercury in 6th certainly suggests a strongly "detail oriented" job. There are a lot of specifications the person must adhere to or the nature of the individual itself is the type to be finicky and thereby tends to be drawn to jobs that will require one to dot their i's & cross their t's.

Uranus conjunct Ic makes one comfortable with crises, change or flux. So a very demanding itinerary or mentally consuming tasks are warranted(this especially when we note that Saturn is in 2nd and conjuncts Jupiter).

He may unconsciously attract very technically sophisticated jobs or ones that require mental alertness and not necessarily because he "likes" them per se. But they just feel very familiar or like home (Ic) to him.

So many things I can say about his chart, it is just "singing" to me. Notice how Capricorn is the 5th house? He enjoys hard work or enjoys being productive.

His 8th house cusp is in Aries.He likes the stress and strain of it all, it turns him on.This especially when we consider that Mars(ruler of 8th) conjuncts his Sunin Pisces i.e it makes him feel(Mars) alive (Sun)

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Wonderful analysis Aries! Thank you.

And very interesting what you say about Saturn in the 4th or the 10th making someone grounded. I have that placement - Even though I have so much water I'm not ungrounded at all (I'm born 1 day after with a Cancer ascendant, maybe you remember my chart).
So, the sense of responsibility was instilled in me since childhood. And I don't mean childish responsibility like I have to tidy my room, but calling the ambulance because my mum is sick and I'm alone at home with her- type of responsibility amongst many other things. It is interesting that a different ascendant makes such a difference though especially when you look at our job decisions. Because, like I said me and this guy (my boyfriend's brother) have the same chart except the houses, due to a different ascendant.

Would you mind take a look over my boyfriend's chart and tell me whether you see why he seems to have issues in work surroundings? He had problems last time where he worked for a big corporation. A couple of coworkers had issues with his bluntness I think lol. He is also in IT like his brother. And I'm wondering why he is so good at accumulating money. He is not working at the moment (he doesn't have issues getting a new job, he just took some time out) and he has saved a lot of money over the years. First with odd jobs as a kid and then he invested some of it and made more out of it. He's been interested in the stock exchange since he was 13 (which I found weird lol).
I wonder if that can be seen in his chart.

Here it is:

posted August 07, 2019 07:35 PM            

In Tropical he has Moon(emotional concern, what makes one comforted) and Mercury(mental mind) in 2(valuables, ergo $) indicating the stock thing. As well, 5H = stocks(gambling, games) - ruler of his is Gemini, which we go back to the being in 2 thing -- as well, Aries wants to be "first" aka it's inventive in a pragmatic/results way, reiterating the mental focus. Of course, Cap ASC/Saturn-1 can also make one materially cautious and conservatory in general.

In Sidereal he has Saturn in 2, indicating conservatory behavior (Saturn) with regards to valuables(2).

It is interesting to note both the brother and your BF have Jupiter/Saturn Aspect (in Vedic only Conjunctions and Oppositions are called Aspects) involved with 2, and both are at least comfortable financially. I would think Saturn restricts the good fortune of Jupiter... but maybe not? I have Jupiter-2 Opposite Saturn, and while I'm certainly not rich nor ever will be, materially/$-wise(2), I am safe for eternity(aka blessed - Jupiter).

As well, he has Aquarius on 3. Global systems/patterns(Aquarius) thinker(3) = stock market interest. We also get money-conscientousness from L3-2 (L = Lord/ruler of).

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Tropical: 6(coworkers, work environment) Ruler is Mercury, which is in as you said "blunt" Aries (so he's too blunt/honest), square Mars which excaberates the bluntness of his speech but it's also a harsh aspect indicating it's not well received. Mercury square Uranus can make his bluntness seem even more unexpected, perhaps the same "wow that was unexpected/came out of nowhere" factor is exacerbated by the Neptune square Mercury as well. Pretty much the same under-or-unexpectedly-over doing it can be said of Mars(assertion) squaring those 2.

Sidereal: Mars-7 signifies combativeness with or from Others. Maybe Rahu-1 makes him impatient, and uncompromising. Both these things would apply in Tropical FYI, I just didn't think of them. As for Sidereal-specific, maybe L6 (Venus) Aspect Mars, repeating the "combative Other" motif, this time specifically in work environments?

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posted August 08, 2019 05:38 AM            

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Originally posted by ULT12:
[b]re: BF and money stuff -

In Tropical he has Moon(emotional concern, what makes one comforted) and Mercury(mental mind) in 2(valuables, ergo $) indicating the stock thing. As well, 5H = stocks(gambling, games) - ruler of his is Gemini, which we go back to the being in 2 thing -- as well, Aries wants to be "first" aka it's inventive in a pragmatic/results way, reiterating the mental focus. Of course, Cap ASC/Saturn-1 can also make one materially cautious and conservatory in general.

In Sidereal he has Saturn in 2, indicating conservatory behavior (Saturn) with regards to valuables(2).

It is interesting to note both the brother and your BF have Jupiter/Saturn Aspect (in Vedic only Conjunctions and Oppositions are called Aspects) involved with 2, and both are at least comfortable financially. I would think Saturn restricts the good fortune of Jupiter... but maybe not? I have Jupiter-2 Opposite Saturn, and while I'm certainly not rich nor ever will be, materially/$-wise(2), I am safe for eternity(aka blessed - Jupiter).

As well, he has Aquarius on 3. Global systems/patterns(Aquarius) thinker(3) = stock market interest. We also get money-conscientousness from L3-2 (L = Lord/ruler of).

re: BF work troubles: -

Tropical: 6(coworkers, work environment) Ruler is Mercury, which is in as you said "blunt" Aries (so he's too blunt/honest), square Mars which excaberates the bluntness of his speech but it's also a harsh aspect indicating it's not well received. Mercury square Uranus can make his bluntness seem even more unexpected, perhaps the same "wow that was unexpected/came out of nowhere" factor is exacerbated by the Neptune square Mercury as well. Pretty much the same under-or-unexpectedly-over doing it can be said of Mars(assertion) squaring those 2.

Sidereal: Mars-7 signifies combativeness with or from Others. Maybe Rahu-1 makes him impatient, and uncompromising. Both these things would apply in Tropical FYI, I just didn't think of them. As for Sidereal-specific, maybe L6 (Venus) Aspect Mars, repeating the "combative Other" motif, this time specifically in work environments?

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Most of my commentary (if/when I do it), will be Sidereal. When I converted the bro's D1 in my head, I didn't get IT work from it, so I slinked out on commenting. Maybe it is apparent with the D10(career) or D9(final destination, in a way, sorta; how our lives 'end up'). So I would appreciate your and his D1/D10/D9s - Extended Chart, Harmonic chart (enter 9 & 10 in the Day field), be sure to make it a Sidereal-Lahiri zodiac chart, whole sign houses (9 & 10 won't have houses, but D1 will - so if you want to do less clicks you can skip this for the D9/D10s).
(D1 = normal Natal chart)[/B]

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Thank you so much for the analysis. Yes, mercury square Mars makes him quite blunt and he is also very stubborn, always thinking he knows best. Didn't go down well with the bosses in that company lol.

Are you sure you can count that mercury Uranus square? It's 10 degrees so I dont know if I would count that. I have that square at under 3 degrees and I can see it in myself rather clearly, not so much in him though.
What you said about his relationship with money is right, too. Finances give him comfort and he does have a good feel for it. Something I'm completely missing haha. I have NN in the second house so that is what I have to learn in this life.

Ok I m not too sure if this is the right chart. I switched to harmonic by day and sidereal Lahiri/Hindu (0.53 diff to Fagan) and I put my birthday in "start date for charts". This would be my natal chart D1 then, wouldn't it? And when I put the date 9 days after my day of birth that is D9 ?

This is my Sidereal/Lahiri Harmonic chart with whole sign houses. Start date is my birth date. My D1:

[img]https://i.ibb.co/ZgbLXRF/sidereal-K-D1.jpg[/img]

This is my D9:

[img]https://i.ibb.co/WpSm1sv/sidereal-K-D9.jpg[/img]

This is my D10:

[img]https://i.ibb.co/LSZ9yTw/sidereal-K-D10.jpg[/img]

This my bf's brother's D1:

[img]https://i.ibb.co/HPT0T4Z/sidereal-A-D1.jpg[/img]

His D9:

[img]https://i.ibb.co/8X7QgfS/sidereal-A-D9.jpg[/img]

His D10

[img]https://i.ibb.co/cC47FhN/sidereal-A-D10.jpg[/img]

I hope these are the right charts!

posted August 08, 2019 06:42 AM            

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Originally posted by kani:

Wonderful analysis Aries! Thank you.

And very interesting what you say about Saturn in the 4th or the 10th making someone grounded. I have that placement - Even though I have so much water I'm not ungrounded at all (I'm born 1 day after with a Cancer ascendant, maybe you remember my chart).
So, the sense of responsibility was instilled in me since childhood. And I don't mean childish responsibility like I have to tidy my room, but calling the ambulance because my mum is sick and I'm alone at home with her- type of responsibility amongst many other things. It is interesting that a different ascendant makes such a difference though especially when you look at our job decisions. Because, like I said me and this guy (my boyfriend's brother) have the same chart except the houses, due to a different ascendant.

Would you mind take a look over my boyfriend's chart and tell me whether you see why he seems to have issues in work surroundings? He had problems last time where he worked for a big corporation. A couple of coworkers had issues with his bluntness I think lol. He is also in IT like his brother. And I'm wondering why he is so good at accumulating money. He is not working at the moment (he doesn't have issues getting a new job, he just took some time out) and he has saved a lot of money over the years. First with odd jobs as a kid and then he invested some of it and made more out of it. He's been interested in the stock since he was 13... [/URL]

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Not to take anything away from what has been said. Only adding to it really.

The interest in stock at age 13 I would drum up to Mercury in Aries on the Ic.

The Ic is our sense of emotional security. And when our emotional security is influenced by daring Aries, we take risks. Our parents may encourage us to take initiatives or to go out there and show our "stuff".

So when in Mercury, the risks and initiatives are strongly mental. We tend to be courageous when it comes to mental agility as well as the type to chart new territory very early on.

Aries is a pioneer and wherever Aries is in our chart is where we want to blaze our own trail. With Mercury there, it could be through mentally strenuous activity. And when on the Ic, the "grooming" could have been fok our mom/dad or early environment(as stated above)

I looked at the chart and decided to use whole sign with Cap Asc, Aries Ic etc.I find interceptions too complex to interpret and muddy. So take from this interpretation what you can.

Uranus/Mars in 1st and 7th have trouble with cooperating with people. When Mars is in the 7th,they may have a chip on their shoulder or an open wound and feel like other people are intentionaly chaffing it.

Does he fight with you too? I have Mars in 7th and it has me respond aggressively to perceived violence (Mars) coming from others(7th). So the default mode is defensiveness.

I think that that is what the bosses dealt with with him. And since Venus rules the 10th and in the 7th(whole sign). Both houses have to do with the public or appearing before them in some way.

So he can be brusque and that's because Mars is ultra sensitive when in Cancer . So there is heightened sensitivity to imagined attacks or rebuffs when it comes to relationships(7th). Also stipulated by Venus in Cancer on the Cardinal Aries point.

Caridnal Aries, Cap, Lib and Cancer tend to heighten themes of that planet in the natal chart and act in tandem with angles imo. So Pisces 28- 2 Aries is Aries Aries Cardinal point and Virgo 28-2 Lib is Aries Libra cardinal point etc.

With Venus, relating to others/ self esteem and love becomes a central theme. When its the Sun, authority figures(Father figures), self expression, sexual orientation becomes a central them. When its the Moon, Maternal figures, child protection, women and the home life etc. become central themes.

When we add Mars in Cancer with the hurt that comes from Chiron in Cancer squaring Mercury. Mars /Merc intensifies it i.e.don't argue with him, don't critique him, don't challenge his opinion and be very careful of the words you use with him. Be sure to leave sarcasm, loaded verbs or jokes that have him at the centre out etc.

I read somewhere that Mars in Cancer is the defender (Mars) of the dependents(Cancer). So there is likely a martial way of relating to others when it comes to them stepping on one's feeling.

And with his 7th house Cancer also housing Chiron, he interacts with the public with his feelings out there for them see. They can feel his wound and hypersensitivity. Its palpable to them.And this may not be easy for him to "hide"

He can be quite temperamental as a person i.e Uranus is in the 1st house and Sun in Taurus in 5th is closely opposed by Pluto.Lots of temper tantrums.

Sun is also the "self".And when opposed by Pluto" the authority", it certainly makes him one to challenge the authority openly or refuse to do what they say.

I wonder if there are Daddy issues or feeling unloved by one parent? Leo Jupiter is authority in 8th is "loss" or or upheavals linked with authority.

Whilst Mercury ruling the 6th house cusp of Gemini "difficulties" is in the 4th house AND in martial Aries. Add to that Mars in Cancer(home) in 7th i.e volatile relationships stemming from a hurt place.

posted August 08, 2019 08:08 AM            

I'll start with this:

"I wonder if there are Daddy issues or feeling unloved by one parent? Leo Jupiter is authority in 8th is "loss" or or upheavals linked with authority....Something involving Mom/Dad and feeling unloved etc or unsupported.Especially with Chiron(deep pain) also in Cancer."

He lost his father 9 years ago. It is still something that hurts him a lot. He also told me that he overheard his parents talking about him when he was little. His mum telling his dad "you didn't want him anyway" , because falling pregnant with him was supposedly solely his mother's decision. His dad didn't want another child after already having 2 kids who are 8 and 10 years older than my boyfriend. He just told me yesterday that he liked his dad's spontaneity (his dad was an Aries sun) and even though he doesn't see himself as spontaneous (he is definitely a more structured person) he adopts that trait from time to time. I've noticed he wants to be liked by others and places a lot of importance on others' opinions of him and their motives. That might be his SN in the 7th.

As for his mother. He talks about her quite a bit and accuses her of having ulterior motivs which I really can't agree with but I didn't grow up with them of course. He has a very good and close relationship to his grandmother and grandfather (who died recently).

"And with his 7th house Cancer also housing Chiron, he interacts with the public with his feelings out there for them see. They can feel his wound and hypersensitivity. Its palpable to them.And this may not be easy for him to "hide""

People tend to comment that he seems very stable and has a calming aura. I do pick up some vulnerability (that could be his Neptune in the 1st) but that happened after I got to know him. But maybe other people pick that up quicker than I do?

"When we add Mars in Cancer with the hurt that comes from Chiron in Cancer squaring Mercury. Mars /Merc intensifies it i.e.don't argue with him, don't critique him, don't challenge his opinion and be very careful of the words you use with him. Be sure to leave sarcasm, loaded verbs or jokes that have him at the centre out etc."

Oh I argue with him and challenge his opinion all the time ahaha. That's how we met actually (by arguing online). And we joke and insult the other all the time. What I liked about him straight away was that he didn't seem to take it to heart when I got offensive. He actually manages to keep his cool for quite a while and is not easily riled up. He turns from Dr. Jekyll to Mr. Hyde when he is driving though - he turns aggressive very quickly then for some reason. But other than that he is not easily angered to be honest. I told him once that I like that trait about him and he then said that he actually does harbour more aggression inside but then evaluates whether it is worth it to let it out.

"Does he fight with you too? I have Mars in 7th and it has me respond aggressively to perceived violence (Mars) coming from others(7th). So the default mode is defensiveness."

He provokes a lot and I'm easily triggered with him and explode rather quickly lol.

"Uranus/Mars in 1st and 7th have trouble with cooperating with people"

Absolutely! I think it's more that he triggers people with his stubbornness, his know-it-better attitude and his blunt way to express criticism. He definitely lacks diplomacy sometimes and he can go on and on about something and not let people talk so I can imagine that many just feel unheard by him (I do sometimes which I told him). It's as if he can overhear stuff on purpose. Something which I can't because I'm too open for that and I pick up a lot (but I m a triple Pisces...). So yeah, I think this definitely does trigger people. He just had a falling out with one of his housemates and the housemate accused him of living in a different reality and I have that impression sometimes as well. We tend to perceive certain things sooo differently.

"The Ic is our sense of emotional security. And when our emotional security is influenced by daring Aries, we take risks."

Not too sure he actually took financial risks at 13 but I get what you are saying. Also, Taurus sun and 2nd house moon and mercury would indicate an interest in accumulating wealth and in the stock market wouldn't they?

posted August 08, 2019 09:24 AM            

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Originally posted by kani:
Thank you again Aries. You were spot on about many things.

I'll start with this:

"I wonder if there are Daddy issues or feeling unloved by one parent? Leo Jupiter is authority in 8th is "loss" or or upheavals linked with authority....Something involving Mom/Dad and feeling unloved etc or unsupported.Especially with Chiron(deep pain) also in Cancer."

He lost his father 9 years ago. It is still something that hurts him a lot. He also told me that he overheard his parents talking about him when he was little. His mum telling his dad "you didn't want him anyway" , because falling pregnant with him was supposedly solely his mother's decision. His dad didn't want another child after already having 2 kids who are 8 and 10 years older than my boyfriend. He just told me yesterday that he liked his dad's spontaneity (his dad was an Aries sun) and even though he doesn't see himself as spontaneous (he is definitely a more structured person) he adopts that trait from time to time. I've noticed he wants to be liked by others and places a lot of importance on others' opinions of him and their motives. That might be his SN in the 7th.

As for his mother. He talks about her quite a bit and accuses her of having ulterior motivs which I really can't agree with but I didn't grow up with them of course. He has a very good and close relationship to his grandmother and grandfather (who died recently).

"And with his 7th house Cancer also housing Chiron, he interacts with the public with his feelings out there for them see. They can feel his wound and hypersensitivity. Its palpable to them.And this may not be easy for him to "hide""

People tend to comment that he seems very stable and has a calming aura. I do pick up some vulnerability (that could be his Neptune in the 1st) but that happened after I got to know him. But maybe other people pick that up quicker than I do?

"When we add Mars in Cancer with the hurt that comes from Chiron in Cancer squaring Mercury. Mars /Merc intensifies it i.e.don't argue with him, don't critique him, don't challenge his opinion and be very careful of the words you use with him. Be sure to leave sarcasm, loaded verbs or jokes that have him at the centre out etc."

Oh I argue with him and challenge his opinion all the time ahaha. That's how we met actually (by arguing online). And we joke and insult the other all the time. What I liked about him straight away was that he didn't seem to take it to heart when I got offensive. He actually manages to keep his cool for quite a while and is not easily riled up. He turns from Dr. Jekyll to Mr. Hyde when he is driving though - he turns aggressive very quickly then for some reason. But other than that he is not easily angered to be honest. I told him once that I like that trait about him and he then said that he actually does harbour more aggression inside but then evaluates whether it is worth it to let it out.

"Does he fight with you too? I have Mars in 7th and it has me respond aggressively to perceived violence (Mars) coming from others(7th). So the default mode is defensiveness."

He provokes a lot and I'm easily triggered with him and explode rather quickly lol.

"Uranus/Mars in 1st and 7th have trouble with cooperating with people"

Absolutely! I think it's more that he triggers people with his stubbornness, his know-it-better attitude and his blunt way to express criticism. He definitely lacks diplomacy sometimes and he can go on and on about something and not let people talk so I can imagine that many just feel unheard by him (I do sometimes which I told him). It's as if he can overhear stuff on purpose. Something which I can't because I'm too open for that and I pick up a lot (but I m a triple Pisces...). So yeah, I think this definitely does trigger people. He just had a falling out with one of his housemates and the housemate accused him of living in a different reality and I have that impression sometimes as well. We tend to perceive certain things sooo differently.

"The Ic is our sense of emotional security. And when our emotional security is influenced by daring Aries, we take risks."

Not too sure he actually took financial risks at 13 but I get what you are saying. Also, Taurus sun and 2nd house moon and mercury would indicate an interest in accumulating wealth and in the stock market wouldn't they?

Edit: I just checked his chart and it says his IC is at 20 degrees Taurus (which would make sun conjunct IC).

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Oh ok. I think Chiron in 7th would be the "calming" aura. But I would also attach that to the 1st house(as you said)

Mars in 7th is such a multifaceted placement. In that it is the point of attraction(7th) but also the sensitive point of separation(Mars). Mars is in "detriment" in 7th and makes relationships prone to break-ups to make-ups to break-ups etc.

When you mentioned the "insulting" each other. That is typical Mars in Libra/Mars in 7th that gets your attention . This is the "pulling the girl you like's pony tail" or "pushing them in the park" etc.

Funny how Aries also does this when they like someone. A few Sun/Moon Aries I have met who've expressed interest tend to do this. And this goes for both sexes etc. its an unconscious action where they end to get physical with you i.e kick you, pinch you or push you etc. Its very child-like

I wonder however if this "harmless" banter extends to people at work? Cause I think that that is where the defensiveness may come in? Mars in 7th tends to work in an ambiguous fashion. All are equal but some more "equal" than others fashion.

I used the whole sign system and that is why the 4th house was pegged as Aries. Interestingly,his Sun in 5th is opposite Pluto.So I wonder if the relationship with his his father was all dandy? Because Pluto denotes a relationship marked with extremes i.e.when its good its good.And when its bad, its catastrophic etc.

I should have guessed that with Pluto in aspect to Sun, the loss(death) of the father is highlighted. I made an entry in another post about Pluto-Sun being dominant father figures or the child struggling for independence from an imposing authority figure.

I associated Mercury in Aries with risk-taking and I meant that this placement gives the native guts. I don't think he did it for the money but more because his mind LOVED the challenge of it.

Before the money comes, we learn to "master" things. And Mercury in Aries is learning to master challenges using mental faculties.Its the challenge we like (and not necessarily the money)that is the sole incentive.

This ties in imo with that Saturn in Aquarius in 2nd house of self esteem and Uranus in 1st house of self. Aquarius/Uranus is mental innovation too and typically through technical sophistication or out of the box thinking.

So perhaps in getting involved in monetary endevors at a young age was part of his Sun inTaurus personality? I agree that Taurus becomes conscious of materialism very early on.

But I would also include the 2nd house pressure of Saturn. His self-esteem is tied to his mental faculties and with Saturn in 2nd the desire to "work" or succeed in some way measurable or tangible(Saturn), helps lift his self esteem(2nd).

posted August 08, 2019 10:28 AM            

Haha yeah that was him in school. He said he used to insult the girls he liked to get their attention when he was a kid

"A few Sun/Moon Aries I have met who've expressed interest tend to do this. And this goes for both sexes etc. its an unconscious action where they end to get physical with you i.e kick you, pinch you or push you etc. Its very child-like "

He can be so annoying with this. He likes to grab my neck and throat (not violently or anything, but still annoying) because he likes the "feel of it", whatever that means. We do wrestle a lot (but also cuddle). The relationship is very physical.

"I wonder however if this "harmless" banter extends to people at work? Cause I think that that is where the defensiveness may come in? Mars in 7th tends to work in an ambiguous fashion. All are equal but some more "equal" than others fashion."

I can imagine that not everyone appreciates his banter lol. I have that issue, too sometimes that some people take my jokes as insulting. That baffles my mind frequently.

"So I wonder if the relationship with his his father was all dandy? Because Pluto denotes a relationship marked with extremes i.e.when its good its good.And when its bad, its catastrophic etc."

I think that describes it quite well actually. I never met his dad, he died before I met my boyfriend but from what he told me that was the case. It was great but also horrible. I also feel he tends to idealise men who he could see as father figures.

"Do you have planets in 1st house?"

posted August 08, 2019 11:45 AM            

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Originally posted by ULT12:
kani:
Those are not the correct D charts. You change the Day field to what D chart you want - e.g. for D9 you make the Day 9 (not "9 days from the date of my birth date" as you did). For D1 just do a normal Natal chart but make the zodiac Sidereal-Lahiri.

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Haha that's what I did at first but then thought that's too easy. It must be more complicated

This is my D1 chart

[img]https://i.ibb.co/hDsM8Pj/sidereal-K-D1.jpg[/img]
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my D9

[img]https://i.ibb.co/yXQ2GBf/sidereal-K-D9.jpg[/img]
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my D10

[img]https://i.ibb.co/FW0C8G4/sidereal-K-D10.jpg[/img]
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My boyfriend's brother D1:

[img]https://i.ibb.co/hf9PkF7/sidereal-A-D1.jpg[/img]
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His D9:

[img]https://i.ibb.co/Gstj623/sidereal-A-D9.jpg[/img]
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His D10:

posted August 09, 2019 05:04 AM            

@ kani
"Do you have planets in 1st house?"
I do - the moon

wow. The universe did hear me. Just the other day I thought to myself "It would be interesting to ask someone with a planet in house 1 like Moon/Venus as to whether it feels more "Arian" to them than anything else?"

So I think I asked Dumuzi this question with his Venus in 1st. And he leaned towards feeling more "arian". What about you?

posted August 09, 2019 06:44 AM            

Thanks for posting his chart. The more the better especially when it comes to my most favorite topic which is money! Just seeing charts of people who make money elevates my mood.

I remembered when I read your post.

You know I laughed so hard because I was talking with my aunt about a new to us Aqua Sun and Mercury man who has lots of money. We said how we've lost count of all the ones we know. When I was telling her that I believe it's Aqua Mercury since 2 Aqua Sun people (one being my grandpa) with Pisces Mercury had lots of opportunities (I mean really good ones) but they didn't use them and they're strugling financially. While we were discussing this I read your post and I told my aunt about it before I opened the chart she was like "please don't be another Aqua Mercury" BINGO!

I don't remember your chart but do you also have an Aqua Mercury? If yes do you make good money? I'm seriously interested in seeing any Aqua Mercury native's chart who doesn't make good money. I suspect a few difficult aspects but one of the Aqua Sun and Mercury I know has one of them and he's a millionaire.

Your job makes easily sense with that chart of his.
Now that we have his birth time the first thing I see indicating such a job is his Uranus opposing his MC and Pluto in his 2nd H actually works positively in all the cases I know.
Jupiter by itself is supposed to be good in the 2nd H when it comes to money but in reality I haven't seen it work (including myself). Especially in his case that Jupiter is conjuncting his Saturn.
I think if it wasn't for that Pluto in there he wouldn't make good money. If Saturn wasn't there he would probably make even more. Saturn is said to get better and bring more rewards later but I think that is rarely the case.

So to me it's his Uranus right on the IC oppposing his MC (carrier) Uranian things (technology is one of them) might come too naturally to him.

I believe his North Node in his 11th H of Uranus plays an important role too (theoritically) but I haven't experienced it so I can't ve sure about it.

posted August 09, 2019 09:12 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
[b] @ kani
"Do you have planets in 1st house?"
I do - the moon

wow. The universe did hear me. Just the other day I thought to myself "It would be interesting to ask someone with a planet in house 1 like Moon/Venus as to whether it feels more "Arian" to them than anything else?"

So I think I asked Dumuzi this question with his Venus in 1st. And he leaned towards feeling more "arian". What about you?

My theory is that personal planets in house 1 are "heart on sleeve" placements -particularly Sun/Moon there. Do you agree?[/B]

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Oh yeah I would agree! Maybe you remeber when you checked my dad's chart and then mine and said how I mirror my dad so much because of the Pisces/Aries combination in my chart. I don't have any planets in Aries per se but aspects between planets and the moon in the 1st give that vibe.
And yeah I m very impulsive, I act before I think sometimes and I'm hasty.

posted August 09, 2019 09:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
Hi [b]kani

Thanks for posting his chart. The more the better especially when it comes to my most favorite topic which is money! Just seeing charts of people who make money elevates my mood.

I remembered when I read your post.

You know I laughed so hard because I was talking with my aunt about a new to us Aqua Sun and Mercury man who has lots of money. We said how we've lost count of all the ones we know. When I was telling her that I believe it's Aqua Mercury since 2 Aqua Sun people (one being my grandpa) with Pisces Mercury had lots of opportunities (I mean really good ones) but they didn't use them and they're strugling financially. While we were discussing this I read your post and I told my aunt about it before I opened the chart she was like "please don't be another Aqua Mercury" BINGO!

I don't remember your chart but do you also have an Aqua Mercury? If yes do you make good money? I'm seriously interested in seeing any Aqua Mercury native's chart who doesn't make good money. I suspect a few difficult aspects but one of the Aqua Sun and Mercury I know has one of them and he's a millionaire.

Your job makes easily sense with that chart of his.
Now that we have his birth time the first thing I see indicating such a job is his Uranus opposing his MC and Pluto in his 2nd H actually works positively in all the cases I know.
Jupiter by itself is supposed to be good in the 2nd H when it comes to money but in reality I haven't seen it work (including myself). Especially in his case that Jupiter is conjuncting his Saturn.
I think if it wasn't for that Pluto in there he wouldn't make good money. If Saturn wasn't there he would probably make even more. Saturn is said to get better and bring more rewards later but I think that is rarely the case.

So to me it's his Uranus right on the IC oppposing his MC (carrier) Uranian things (technology is one of them) might come too naturally to him.

I believe his North Node in his 11th H of Uranus plays an important role too (theoritically) but I haven't experienced it so I can't ve sure about it.

Sorry if I'm being repetitive, I didn't read the comments but as I was scrolling down I saw that Aries23 has replied so I'm sure he already mentioned what I do and probably even more (I'm going to read the comments later)[/B]

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Thank you Plutonian

You know I m an Aqua mercury and I don't have much money. It has been a sore spot of mine for a while but I have NN in the 2nd and I feel earning a comfortable amount of money is something I will achieve in this lifetime.

posted August 09, 2019 09:35 AM            

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Originally posted by kani:
Oh yeah I would agree! Maybe you remeber when you checked my dad's chart and then mine and said how I mirror my dad so much because of the Pisces/Aries combination in my chart. I don't have any planets in Aries per se but aspects between planets and the moon in the 1st give that vibe.
And yeah I m very impulsive, I act before I think sometimes and I'm hasty.

When there is something to be done I'm doing it right in this moment if I can. I hate postponing stuff, also because it remains on my mind and I feel that is a burden.
I m quite reactive, too , impatiend and spontaneous as well.

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Thank you for this. I live with a sister who is so easily tense for a Taurus. I strongly doubted her birthday was correct. But I have since become satisfied that she is Taurus Sun because I do see Taurus traits in her personality.

The excitability I thought was her Sun/Moon midpoint conjunct Mars. Conjunctions of mid points to Mars and even Aries can have the native behave like a new puppy: responsive to everything because everything is happening for the 1st time.

But now I see that in addition to that and Sun/Pluto opp, I must also look at her Moon in 1st conjunct Asc.

Everyday is not the same. And i don't always think that it serves her well to be on "emotive" mode all the time. Yes(given) I too have Moon squaring Asc & perhaps that much we do have in common.

But I think my study of astrology has made me aware that I am the point of trigger, not others. So I try to be as regular and as calm as possible when dealing with others.

In her case however, I don't think she sees that most of the upheavals she goes through are self-made.And often times she can go on auto pilot i.e blaming everything and everyone for how she feels.

Add to that, she will go through Facebook and gravitate towards articles or discussion that heighten the emotions and make anger inevitable.I am like wtf??

Is there an addiction to emotionally heightened feelings with this placement? I have Moon/Mars square too and so I always thought that I had to go to the "eye" of the storm in order to salvage the pain.

But I have since learned that "facing up" to something only duplicates it and that it is perhaps wiser to distract the momentum towards another desirable avenue.

She says she wants peace. But she doesn't become that peace that she says she wants. Coz right now she has gone to an event and I do expect (post the event) that she may come back in a mood and/or attitude that is either very happy or very sad.

My family suspects bi-polar. But I don't think that that is it. I think she wants to be more centred and doesn't connect her actions to be the very thing that takes her out of that centre. Aih : (

posted August 09, 2019 09:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Thank you for this. I live with a sister who is so easily tense for a Taurus. I strongly doubted her birthday was correct. But I have since become satisfied that she is Taurus Sun because I do see Taurus traits in her personality.

The excitability I thought was her Sun/Moon midpoint conjunct Mars. Conjunctions of mid points to Mars and even Aries can have the native behave like a new puppy: responsive to everything because everything is happening for the 1st time.

But now I see that in addition to that and Sun/Pluto opp, I must also look at her Moon in 1st conjunct Asc.

Everyday is not the same. And i don't always think that it serves her well to be on "emotive" mode all the time. Yes(given) I too have Moon squaring Asc & perhaps that much we do have in common.

But I think my study of astrology has made me aware that I am the point of trigger, not others. So I try to be as regular and as calm as possible when dealing with others.

In her case however, I don't think she sees that most of the upheavals she goes through are self-made.And often times she can go on auto pilot i.e blaming everything and everyone for how she feels.

Add to that, she will go through Facebook and gravitate towards articles or discussion that heighten the emotions and make anger inevitable.I am like wtf??

Is there an addiction to emotionally heightened feelings with this placement? I have Moon/Mars square too and so I always thought that I had to go to the "eye" of the storm in order to salvage the pain.

But I have since learned that "facing up" to something only duplicates it and that it is perhaps wiser to distract the momentum towards another desirable avenue.

She says she wants peace. But she doesn't become that peace that she says she wants. Coz right now she has gone to an event and I do expect (post the event) that she may come back in a mood and/or attitude that is either very happy or very sad.

My family suspects bi-polar. But I don't think that that is it. I think she wants to be more centred and doesn't connect her actions to be the very thing that takes her out of that centre. Aih : (

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I watched a very interesting video about Taurus energy

(here it is if you are interested https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66NaAF2OmyI&t=4s)

and she says (the woman in the video is a Taurus as well), that peace is the Taurus' main driving force so I do believe your sister that she wants peace. My bf who is Taurus does, too (and he does attract arguments all the time though lol).
I have moon conj ascendant but other than being reactive (especially to my boyfriend) and all the other things I posted I don't have extreme mood swings anymore. But I worked a lot on myself to get that under control.

Hold old is your sister?

posted August 09, 2019 11:28 AM            

I think what concerns me the most are the upward/ downward swings. But I reckon they could get easier post 40?

She does have Sat/Ura conjunct opp Mars/Chiron.And I think that the above relationships create an inner tension that is further exacerbated by all 4 planets being in aspect to her Asc/Sun, Moon/Asc as well as Moon/Mercury midpoint.

posted August 09, 2019 11:33 AM            

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Originally posted by kani:

Thank you Plutonian

You know I m an Aqua mercury and I don't have much money. It has been a sore spot of mine for a while but I have NN in the 2nd and I feel earning a comfortable amount of money is something I will achieve in this lifetime.

And yeah Uranus opp. MC does indicate a career in IT but also a lot of freedom when it comes to work. And both applies to him and his job situation

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I'm sorry for your NN in 2nd H.
North Node/Saturn in 2nd H by themselves are not good (those were the two placements I had in mind).
I suspect same goes for Neptune but I can't say for sure because of little experience.

I don't know if it will make you feel better but I have Jupiter and Venus in 2nd H and I'm poor lol. I've lost hope at this point.