posted September 07, 2019 02:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I think it adds the sign archetype energy to the native.

Mars planet is Aries/Scorpio archetype energy.
Pluto planet is Scorpio archehtype energy.
Neptune planet is Pisces archetype energy.
Jupiter planet is Sag/Pisc archetype energy.
Saturn planet is Cap/Aqua archetype energy.
Uranus planet is Aqua archetype energy.
Venus planet is Libra/Taurus archetype energy.
Sun planet is Leo archytype energy.
Mercury planet is Virgo/Gem archetype energy.

I find it interesting that people considering the conj of Sun to Mercury to be Mercury "influencing" the Sun.

Should it not be in actuality that its the Sun influencing Mercury? The slower moving planet(Sun) influencing the faster one(Mercury)?

Moon planet arguably would be the most "susceptible" to influence-since it is by far the fastest planet.

So dual aspects to sun i.e in my case Jupiter conj Sun and Neptune conj Sun. In both the Pisces archetype and Sag archetype exist side by side. My Sun is in Sag.

I think this extends to square and opposition too. Not sure of the sextile/trine or inconjunct though. Perhaps with the latter they are less "obvious"?

I for instance also have Pluto/Sun sextile.Should I read the Scorpio archetype too?

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that's a good point... personally with sun cazimi mercury i do feel virgo-like, (but not gem -- it took me a LONG time to 'get' that sign but now i love it. ) i also have mars in 0 virgo in the 1st, so of course i sorta feel like a virgo

posted September 08, 2019 08:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Dons2angelss:
I've read that sun/chiron can have a bad relationship with the father figure in their lives. Or at least make the father a source of unhappiness. My chiron sits in between my sun and nn/ascendant and my father was an amazing parent but, he was also an addict and it killed him when I was 16. It did set me on my own path since then though.

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posted September 08, 2019 08:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
The Sun is the expression of self,the holistic personality So Chiron-Sun aspects suggest those who face impediments to the expression of their personality.

It could be that when they were young,the very expression of who they are was frowned upon or not deemed "appropriate". The father was critical and fault-finding. Always finding ways to focus on what the child "lacked".

The Sun is also representative of the Father.So perhaps the Dad was inhibited & couldn't fully express himself or was not present? This is the rejection of the child by default; in that they (father)were unable to provide counsel and encouragement to the child.

In the first instance, the child can believe themselves "missing" an essential ingredient & therefore "damaged" or "faulty".

This can create shyness, an inferority complex, being so uncomfortable in one's own skin as to be self-conscious, an identity crisis or the search for a person to whom one can look "up" to etc. Typically the type to have "father" archetype heros or largely male role models.

In the 2nd instance, the native learns to navigate life through their own devices.

So there is likely to be self-reliance, the inability to trust authority figures,a troubled relationship with males or complete disregard of instructional counsel(even from well wishers) and some sensitivity to criticism.

The 2nd instance can at worst create an arrogant personality (atleast on the outside), deeply insecure and unwilling to let others get too close.

There is continuous preservation of a "strong" front that betrays the lonesomeness of someone who feels unable to open up or reserves a lot of their affections from being shown to others.

I have Sun-inconjunct-Chiron. I am the 2nd. In many ways I have rejected authority figures in my life(this especially male ones).

I also feel Sun-Chiron males may reject children-either through abandonment or choosing not to have any. Here(like Mars-Chiron) they forfeit or rebel the male societal "role" of fathering kids.

Chiron-Sun in both women and men can raise issues and discomfort with the patriarchal system in its entirety.

There is resistance with them to take on leadership roles or responsibility that will "impose" them on others etc. They would rather work "with" others than bark orders.

They can make the type of managers who are open-ended and have a holistic approach to leading their team i.e "open door policy" etc.

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