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Robin Goodfellow
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posted September 06, 2019 12:01 AM
  
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Kannon McAfee
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posted September 06, 2019 12:40 AM
Negative polarity (-), a more inward directed mode of expression; generally a serious nature with both motivated by control or power.------------------
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Aries23Degrees
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posted September 07, 2019 07:38 AM
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What do they have in common?
Both need to seriously lighten up  I find Scorpio more emotionally volatile than Cap though. Cap can be icy cold. IP: Logged |
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posted September 07, 2019 10:46 AM
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Both need to seriously lighten up I find Scorpio more emotionally volatile than Cap though. Cap can be icy cold.
Scorpio can seem icy cold on the surface, though, while inside they are filled with deep emotions.
Caps could be shy, hiding their vulnerabilities very deep.
Scorpios are not shy. They don't suffer insecurity the way caps secretly do. But both hide their true feelings most days, for slightly different motives: Caps want to seem confident, even when they don't feel that way. Scorpios seek power, they want to control themselves and others, so they let others know the very minimum, or even false information, about themselves, in order to have the upper hand in every situation, even in love (maybe especially in love). Both seek power, but while caps look for status, scorpios seek a more personal expression of power.
Both can be, or seem to be, total when breaking up a relationship. But Scorpio will suffer much more than Capricorn. Scorpio will forever feel emotionally bound to the person s/he once truly loved. Capricorn will not leave unless certain the connection has no future, and then will cut both the outward and inner chords swiftly and mercilessly, and will not look back.
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posted September 07, 2019 01:18 PM
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Originally posted by Ayelet:
Scorpio can seem icy cold on the surface, though, while inside they are filled with deep emotions.
Caps could be shy, hiding their vulnerabilities very deep. Scorpios are not shy. They don't suffer insecurity the way caps secretly do. But both hide their true feelings most days, for slightly different motives: Caps want to seem confident, even when they don't feel that way. Scorpios seek power, they want to control themselves and others, so they let others know the very minimum, or even false information, about themselves, in order to have the upper hand in every situation, even in love (maybe especially in love). Both seek power, but while caps look for status, scorpios seek a more personal expression of power.
Both can be, or seem to be, total when breaking up a relationship. But Scorpio will suffer much more than Capricorn. Scorpio will forever feel emotionally bound to the person s/he once truly loved. Capricorn will not leave unless certain the connection has no future, and then will cut both the outward and inner chords swiftly and mercilessly, and will not look back.
I have Scorpio in my chart. Sometimes the energy is just too much at times. The momentum of emotions are overwhelming. But I still love all of it(even the tricky parts). I find you are right with what you said about Scorpio not being able to go "cold turkey".And the reason I believe Scorpio can conceal so much is out of fear of being ridiculed for their vulnerabilities. There is a lot of defensive living; living in defense of loss/fear or being duped. I as a Venus in Scorpio with Pluto in 7th too, find it hard to relax and trust partners. Some Capricorns I know can be downright calculating in love. There is "benefit" attached to love-this either through financial upliftment or social enrichment etc. One Cap I know married someone they weren't mad about because she wanted the life he could offer her. This is what I find disturbing tbh. In the same breath however, there are others whom I have attracted who are impassive and awkward than cold and aloof.Its not like they don't "feel" per se, but they never know what the appropriate response is. So this makes them seem "cold" are too "self contained" etc. IP: Logged |
Ayelet
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posted September 07, 2019 07:15 PM
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I have Scorpio in my chart. Sometimes the energy is just too much at times. The momentum of emotions are overwhelming. But I still love all of it(even the tricky parts).I find you are right with what you said about Scorpio not being able to go "cold turkey".And the reason I believe Scorpio can conceal so much is out of fear of being ridiculed for their vulnerabilities. There is a lot of defensive living; living in defense of loss/fear or being duped. I as a Venus in Scorpio with Pluto in 7th too, find it hard to relax and trust partners. Some Capricorns I know can be downright calculating in love. There is "benefit" attached to love-this either through financial upliftment or social enrichment etc. One Cap I know married someone they weren't mad about because she wanted the life he could offer her. This is what I find disturbing tbh. In the same breath however, there are others whom I have attracted who are impassive and awkward than cold and aloof.Its not like they don't "feel" per se, but they never know what the appropriate response is. So this makes them seem "cold" are too "self contained" etc.
What you write about defensive living reminds me of a Scorpio moon I know. I used to be friends with a Scorpio woman who seemed to be fearless, and had been through a very rough life. She didn't have a single harmonious aspect in her chart, by the way. Yes, Scorpios are extremely sensitive people, and they protect themselves. And they are naturally suspicious of others' motives, because they know their own dark side. Maybe they sense some people can mistake sensitivity for a weakness, or maybe even, as I've witnessed with some Scorpio moons, they judge themselves in that manner. But every weakness is also a strengh, if you know how to use it. I have cap rising, so am familiar with its inner mechanisms. A good friend of mine is a Capricorn sun. He is very sensitive and warm, though also a tough bird. A hard working and a very productive artist. By the way, I know through Astrology Caps can be calculated in emotional matters. I can be calculated to a degree when making decisions, but I am also Cancer sun, so, when love is concerned, I find I cannot fall in love unless I lose my head. Which thing happens, admittedly, very rarely. But isn't losing one's head when in love a univeral experience? What you suggest is, that Caps may enter a relationship without love, and I guess that is true. I myself would never stick romantically for long with a partner I don't love, or, for the very least, BELIEVE, even falsely, that I love.
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posted September 08, 2019 12:19 AM
Saturn and Pluto are both brutal and uncompromising so there are definitely similarities between scorpio and capricorn. Ime, there's always been an unspoken affinity between these two signs, much stronger than can be explained by the sextile aspect between them. When they gravitate towards each other, it tends to be a bond for life, even when it ends badly. But there are still big differences. Capricorn is known for having a serious, "get it done" type of outlook on things. They truly radiate that energy for me, especially when cap is the asc or moon. Cap placements know what they want and go after it until they get it. Scorpios know what they want and will accept nothing less. Capricorns are pros at compartmentalizing. If they want to live comfortably then they will marry someone who they believe (not believe, actually, who they KNOW bc they've assessed the situation for a long enough time) will give them that, forgoing things like love. They will be the perfect wife/husband, fulfilling the roles that are thrust upon them bc they understand roles and boundaries. They thrive on them, they need structure. And they'll be satisfied bc they already know what to expect (they won't allow themselves to be blind-sided) and they know the end result (a financially comfortable life for ex) was what they wanted. They're calculating like that.Scorpios are just as calculating but they're also self-destructive. I actually believe capricorns are self-destructive too in a way but only bc they know there's a way for it to benefit them in the end. Scorpios are self-destructive bc their emotions get the better of them. They want to tame their emotions, they want to be in control of them and that's why they hold back. it gives them the illusion of control but in reality, their emotions are still ruling them. Capricorns can think AND act logically, Scorpios can't. At least in my experience. Not without feeling tortured.
I wouldn't say scorpios are idealists but they're not realists the way that Capricorns are. Scorpios demand things like loyalty, devotion, complete honesty and vulnerability. They thrive on those things, they NEED them. & if they don't get them, they won't stay. But they're tortured by what they need bc not everyone is willing or able to give them what they need. Caps, especially cap moons, can effectively keep people at a distance and not be tortured by it. In my experience. IP: Logged |
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posted September 08, 2019 01:33 AM
Both tend to be introverted, serious, and standoffish. As others pointed out, those who are not familiar with these two signs judge them as being cold or snobbish.IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees
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posted September 08, 2019 03:28 AM
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What you write about defensive living reminds me of a Scorpio moon I know. I used to be friends with a Scorpio woman who seemed to be fearless, and had been through a very rough life. She didn't have a single harmonious aspect in her chart, by the way. Yes, Scorpios are extremely sensitive people, and they protect themselves. And they are naturally suspicious of others' motives, because they know their own dark side. Maybe they sense some people can mistake sensitivity for a weakness, or maybe even, as I've witnessed with some Scorpio moons, they judge themselves in that manner. But every weakness is also a strengh, if you know how to use it.I have cap rising, so am familiar with its inner mechanisms. A good friend of mine is a Capricorn sun. He is very sensitive and warm, though also a tough bird. A hard working and a very productive artist. By the way, I know through Astrology Caps can be calculated in emotional matters. I can be calculated to a degree when making decisions, but I am also Cancer sun, so, when love is concerned, I find I cannot fall in love unless I lose my head. Which thing happens, admittedly, very rarely. But isn't losing one's head when in love a univeral experience? What you suggest is, that Caps may enter a relationship without love, and I guess that is true. I myself would never stick romantically for long with a partner I don't love, or, for the very least, BELIEVE, even falsely, that I love.
My good friend has Cap rising.But I think its his Pisces Moon that makes him more sensitive. The only time I see his Cap nature come out more is when work is involved. His Saturn is in the 10th house. The lady I mentioned has Venus in Cap too actually(but not in aspect to her Sun). So once again, we have to look further than the Sun. In her case, she is all about keeping her wits about her in love. She is attracted to older gentlemen and the man she married is a Libra Sun/Saturn conj. Come to think of it, I wonder if I am calculating myself in love? I mean I do tend to date guys whom I consider more in line with my long term vision of a partner. And I pass on the ones that I think don't match that "vision". But then again, doesn't everyone do that on some level? We don't date all willy nilly right? With me however, I don't "lose" my senses at all when in love. My Saturn conj Venus is in Scorpio and in the 7th. I think Cap/Virgo/Aqua Venus /5th/7th or 8th aren't easily impressed. This includes Sat/Ura in those places. These people can be very choosy or in both Uranus & Saturn cases, resort to a resistant attitude when it comes to getting too close to someone. IP: Logged |
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posted September 08, 2019 05:44 AM
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Capricorn will not leave unless certain the connection has no future, and then will cut both the outward and inner chords swiftly and mercilessly, and will not look back.
I just discussed this with someone the other day. I tried to explain that PRIOR to making a decision, I will turn every stone and look at everything from both sides. If, and when, I come to the conclusion that our paths are better off to be separated, I will cut the chord. No feelings. No talk. No remorse. No regrets.
I will also never go back to that person, being it romantically or friendly, because I will have reached the bottom of what existed. I will have "emptied out" and thus, there is nothing more to explore for me. (I have a Cap Moon 5H op. Leo Saturn). IP: Logged |
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posted September 12, 2019 05:22 PM
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Come to think of it, I wonder if I am calculating myself in love? I mean I do tend to date guys whom I consider more in line with my long term vision of a partner. And I pass on the ones that I think don't match that "vision". But then again, doesn't everyone do that on some level? We don't date all willy nilly right? With me however, I don't "lose" my senses at all when in love. My Saturn conj Venus is in Scorpio and in the 7th. I think Cap/Virgo/Aqua Venus /5th/7th or 8th aren't easily impressed. This includes Sat/Ura in those places. These people can be very choosy or in both Uranus & Saturn cases, resort to a resistant attitude when it comes to getting too close to someone.
Maybe everyone has a mental picture of what they like and what they prefer in a romantic partner. So, when we meet someone, we try to see whether s/he fits our personal concept. But I believe in love in first sight. Whatever your Venus sign is. Some Venus signs, or Sun signs even, might be slow in romance, and not easily swept off their feet. But, in my opinion, there is no replacement, no matter what your sign is, to that initial recognition that occurs, on a very deep level, between lovers that recognise each other from countless encounters and a soul connection.
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posted September 12, 2019 05:49 PM
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Maybe everyone has a mental picture of what they like and what they prefer in a romantic partner. So, when we meet someone, we try to see whether s/he fits our personal concept. But I believe in love in first sight. Whatever your Venus sign is. Some Venus signs, or Sun signs even, might be slow in romance, and not easily swept off their feet. But, in my opinion, there is no replacement, no matter what your sign is, to that initial recognition that occurs, on a very deep level, between lovers that recognise each other from countless encounters & a soul connection.
This is beautiful. I experienced the "love at first sight" you speak of.But I think that the "high" of the initial electrical anticipation is where it stayed. As we never went further than the up/down motion of "almost together". I wonder though whether the time was mismatched for us.The attraction is unbelievable on my end.But it just never came together for us. Saturn/Sun double whammy.
Venus/Sun double whammy.
Asc Sun double whammy.
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posted September 14, 2019 02:14 PM
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This is beautiful. I experienced the "love at first sight" you speak of.But I think that the "high" of the initial electrical anticipation is where it stayed. As we never went further than the up/down motion of "almost together".I wonder though whether the time was mismatched for us.The attraction is unbelievable on my end.But it just never came together for us. Saturn/Sun double whammy.
Venus/Sun double whammy.
Asc Sun double whammy.
Mars/Sun double whammy.
I don't know whether the time was mismatched. According to my belief everything is ordered (the one unexpected element might be free will...). From the aspects you've mentioned, your personalities were alligned together, but were there any aspects from the trans-saturnian planets? Even without confirmation from the heavens, you know what you felt. IP: Logged |
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posted September 14, 2019 04:04 PM
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I don't know whether the time was mismatched. According to my belief everything is ordered (the one unexpected element might be free will...). From the aspects you've mentioned, your personalities were alligned together, but were there any aspects from the trans-saturnian planets? Even without confirmation from the heavens, you know what you felt.
Indeed I do. I recall him saying that being with me is like "coming home". But this "coming home" is finding out that emotions are too high or too intense? Nevertheless, we never got to build ourselves the life we sought to have together. I am learning to let go of him IP: Logged |
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posted September 16, 2019 09:20 PM
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Indeed I do. I recall him saying that being with me is like "coming home".But this "coming home" is finding out that emotions are too high or too intense? Nevertheless, we never got to build ourselves the life we sought to have together. I am learning to let go of him
It seems to me, sometimes those fatal meetings might prove short-lived as lightnings and impressive as such. They may flourish to life-long connections, or they may instill the mind and heart with a lasting imprint. It could be you need let go in order to open the heart again. It is hard, when someone who evoked such intense feelings within you has fled away, leaving behind a memory perhaps more alive than present feelings. I think letting go of what's past could be like opening your fist, which is still clenched on thin air, as it tried to seize a beam of light. Opening your hand, as a divine beggar might do under the golden rays of an undying sun, you may actually catch something if you only keep your hand open. The minute you close your fist, the light is gone.
Forgive me for indulging in metaphores while you shared with me your experience. I know how hard it can be to let go. There is a person who so impressed himself upon my mind that it took years for me to let go of his torturing absence, and still I think of him deeply. Moments seem to pass, but some moments have a most lasting affect. My metaphor was about keeping the heart open in spite of a past pain inflicted, or a dream which turns to delude the heart rather than materialize. All those unrealized possibilities, they exist somewhere, even if not in the realm we call 'reality'. Perhaps, letting go of one form of love, as it was impressed on your consciousness, you would meet love again in a new form, with renewed high and intense emotions, yet with more readiness and ripeness on both sides to make it last... More stability to that high emotion, maybe.
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I know of two Capricorn moons
I’m casual acquaintance friends with both of them
One Capricorn I know also has Sagittarius and mercury and Aquarius in her chart. She is very outgoing and talks to anyone. She loves people and she doesn’t judge or overspeculate.
I know another Capricorn with Sun Sagittarius but a water Ascendant and a mercury in Scorpio
Him and I were flirting for a while but then I realized he is a total loser and I could do way better. So I dumped his sorry ass. He was shallow towards me? The audacity. I have dated models way cuter than he is and also he had literally no future. The fact I even gave him the time of day was a compliment and that was how he treated me is beyond pathetic. I’m actually glad he is gone.
I don’t think I answered your question. Too wrapped up I’m all of the Capricorn drama. There’s no drama actually. They are kind, a little aloof and they hide their emotions. They bottle up their emotions like a ***** . Only a Scorpio such as I could figure out when they are sad. Capricorn’s usually rise to the top and achieve whatever they want in life. Abouf my chart I’m a Scorpio with a lot of Virgo influence. However that one Capricorn that I was flirting with didn’t end well because he wasn’t a Capricorn who had the right values. It doesn’t mean the potential isn’t there though. IP: Logged |
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Actually my favorite singer is a Capricorn with a lot of water influence. I’m a Scorpio with a lot of earth influence. I could listen to his music on replay all day for weeks and probably not get bored. I could relate to it. I love the melodies, the lyrics are so imaginative and unique. He’s expressive and sentimental but also very caring and loyal. These are just words in a song. It’s AdamYoung if you are wondering. He’s so beyond perfect. I don’t really find him attractive and probably wouldn’t give him the time of day if I met him based on appearances but if I knew him for a while and saw his personality for how he is through his music I would probably marry the guy. 😍IP: Logged |
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posted October 09, 2019 10:01 PM
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I just discussed this with someone the other day. I tried to explain that PRIOR to making a decision, I will turn every stone and look at everything from both sides. If, and when, I come to the conclusion that our paths are better off to be separated, I will cut the chord. No feelings. No talk. No remorse. No regrets.
I will also never go back to that person, being it romantically or friendly, because I will have reached the bottom of what existed. I will have "emptied out" and thus, there is nothing more to explore for me. (I have a Cap Moon 5H op. Leo Saturn).
Man, wish self was more of a real or typical strongly indicated Capricorn type (Sun & Mercury in). Being completely sincere here. I would love nothing more than to stop thinking about her. I sometimes wish the procedure in "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind" was real. Is this what one gets when the traditional, faster moving ruler of ones Sun, Mercury, Venus, and Descendant--Saturn, is conjunct the Moon (ruler of the 12th) in Libra? Sappy, emotional, cureless co dependent romantic? IP: Logged |
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Something that is somewhat common between Scorpio and Capricorn, is that these Signs, out of all of them (maybe including Pisces to some extent), when strong in the chart, often indicate a lot of testing, challenging, difficult type life events or life pattern. These are the Soul testing Signs par excellence (followed closely by Pisces). This can create a deeper shared bond based on, "yeah, we both have been through some stuff." A depth of suffering that only those who have, can relate to and recognize in others who have also. Back when I was growing up, I was VERY close to a cousin of mine who is a Scorp Sun and Moon. But stuff happened and not only did we grow apart, for a little while some deep enmity was formed. In his mind, I deeply betrayed him. In my mind, I was worried about him. I won't go into specific details, but he had taken a weapon from work, and as he was depressed, I was worried that he might use it on himself. I told my Mom about it, and my Mom told his dad. He never has quite forgiven me for this. Maybe forgiven, but definitely not forgotten, and we will never be as close as we once were, but the separation had started before then. We just started shifting wavelengths, or rather, he was staying at his, whereas I was trying to heal and grow, and working consciously on myself, and then he became more buddy buddy with my younger brother (we all lived together for a few years). He is a Soul that is connected to the same Spirit as two other Souls I know of, one with the initials of M.B. and the other Soul, J.G.--the latter whom I interacted with and had a difficult dynamic with. IP: Logged |
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Something that is somewhat common between Scorpio and Capricorn, is that these Signs, out of all of them (maybe including Pisces to some extent), when strong in the chart, often indicate a These are the Soul testing Signs par excellence (followed closely by Pisces). This can create a deeper shared bond based on, "yeah, we both have been through some stuff." A depth of suffering that only those who have, can relate to and recognize in others who have also. Back when I was growing up, I was VERY close to a cousin of mine who is a Scorp Sun and Moon. But stuff happened and not only did we grow apart, for a little while some deep enmity was formed. In his mind, I deeply betrayed him. In my mind, I was worried about him. I won't go into specific details, but he had taken a weapon from work, and as he was depressed, I was worried that he might use it on himself. I told my Mom about it, and my Mom told his dad. He never has quite forgiven me for this. Maybe forgiven, but definitely not forgotten, and we will never be as close as we once were, but the separation had started before then.
I feel like you're right about the soul testing quality. Nevertheless, I know of other signs' people who have been through a most immense soul testing and suffering. One of these is a Virgo sun, with a Leo moon and an Aries ascendant. Her life is extremely difficult. Her NN is in Pisces, and MC in Capricorn. Does this counts, to your knowledge? I don't know to see her pattern in the chart as that challenging, but the facts speak for themselves. She has the sun, Pluto and Mercury in her 5th house (emphasized house), but she almost never had fun in her life, neither does she know how! With your cousin, maybe his sense of betrayal has become sharp because his dad didn't handle well the situation, and it might have been easier for him to grudge you than his father. IP: Logged |
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posted October 09, 2019 11:19 PM
Signs aren't the only factor, but since we were dealing with and addressing Signs here on this thread, that was the only factor outlined. But course highlighted Pluto, Saturn, Uranus, and to a lesser degree Neptune, along with the House of the 8th, 6th, and 12th often correlate with such testing and difficult patterns, whether natal, transit, and/or progression wise (most intense when it's a combo of all 3). Quite likely regarding the cousin talked about. Good insight Ayelet. IP: Logged |
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