posted September 22, 2019 12:15 AM            

To me they always seem careful with speaking. It's as if they are mentally reviewing everything they're about to say to make sure it passes their internal filter.

posted September 22, 2019 02:40 AM            

Add to that basket Saturn in Virgo/Gemini,Saturn in 3rd or 6th, Capricorn on the cusp of the 3rd/6th.

Raised by grandma or an elder,considerably older siblings or there is a huge gap between them and younger siblings, the only child, learning language through an elder,speaking with authority,being taught to speak with respect, speaking in old/srructured diction,using sentence construction in a very rigid way,you are your own "editor", someone is always shouting at you "speak properly!" and this can create pressure and/or anxiety when it comes to expressing yourself with words, assisted early learning, special needs class, native is elder sibling and is therefore "responsible" for younger siblings, native may be raised by elder siblings, no children their age around to learn from, a childhood that is isolated from peer contact prevents early accumulation of language, native looks up to a sibling that is greatly accomplished in communication, challenges in learning, learning takes longer or there is great pressure to learn early, entering school at an age that is late or too early, a stammer or lisp, a soft voice that doesn't project, a monotonous voice that is off-putting, a voice for radio, an interest in the communication field, being paid for how you express yourself, "dead pan" comic genius,dry sense of humour, sophisticated jargon,using old-style cursive writing and avoiding "sms" language, trouble fitting in with peers as the native often does not relate to people their age etc.

Language and learning is a 3rd house/Mercury function as is communication. So Saturn involved there can create delays and/or issues there that may force the individual to either become well versed at Mercury related things early on (due to imposing pressure).

Or the native may sincerely struggle by having learning challenges due to the inability to focus or have ADD. And perhaps the parents/guardians have a relaxed attitude in steering the native to learn,speak,read or write.

The caution you speak of is because of Saturn.Saturn wants to come across authoritative on the subject expressed by Mercury.This is especially true when there is a conjunction/square.

The opposition as well as the square often creates uncertainty on whether the "correct" information is being communicated. And so they may come across self-doubting unless very well-versed with the crowd they are addressing.

I actually find Mercury-Saturn people quite funny. But they can also be melancholic and prone to depression. This especially with the tight opp/square and conj.

And this is because Saturn brings to the mental sphere chronic thoughts of self criticism. These guys are their own worst critic.

My nephew has Saturn in 3rd with Cap on the cusp of the 3rd and he is about 1 year of age.

I am observing him closely to see how he does with communication i.e will it come easy to him or will it be delayed?

He is currently being raised by my Mom(his Grandma) and the nanny who looks after him is also 50 years of age.So here Saturn(elder) in 3rd is accurate as my mother and the nanny are teaching him how to talk (3rd)

posted September 22, 2019 08:28 AM            

Speaking with authority/ speaking with respect
In part raised by older siblings
Early on speaking issues/lisp had to take special classes
A soft sometimes monotonous voice (being told to speak louder often)
Prone to depression (Saturn also trines mars in Taurus the 10th)

I feel good aspects with Saturn can help with authoritative positions - being a manager/ boss/ teacher etc.

posted September 22, 2019 06:29 PM            

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Originally posted by cthonicstar:
What are some of the trends you've noticed in people who have Mercury-Saturn aspects?

To me they always seem careful with speaking. It's as if they are mentally reviewing everything they're about to say to make sure it passes their internal filter.

Or they come across as very quiet people.

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I'm very serious-minded, when it comes to anything; especially work, fitness, academia, and finances.

posted September 22, 2019 07:45 PM            

My speech is very restrained and I cam be incredibly critical of myself and my capabilities. I'm doing my best to unlearn this as much as it's healthy, because I think it's important to be self-aware of what you say and how you say it. However, I'm not the best example of this in practice. Socially, I'm very isolated and I feel like an outcast. Some of it is my own fault and some of it is related to my childhood. Needless to say, I have a lot to learn when it comes to social interactions and I'm 27.

I'm often self-critical with the intent to improve, but I can take it too far sometimes. For example, if I make a mistake, it'll drive me nuts for months. While I'm aware of this issue, the most I can do is just learn from my mistakes instead of repeating them. This just doesn't stop me from remembering the mistake was made to begin with.

My family isn't responsible for how I ended up. In school, I was often bullied and rejected by my peers, and, at some point, I became more of a perfectionist with obsessive-compulsive tendencies. During the Saturn-Pluto conjunction earlier this year, I got put on a medication for anxiety and I'm now on another medication that seems to help with emotional regulation. I'm able to deal with my emotions better than I have in earlier months, but my family didn't even know about my struggles. I was able to hide my internal problems by not displaying that anything was wrong.

I did tell my mom about my issues, but she never saw them play out. It took every bit of my will and self-control to avoid snapping on people yet I succeeded. I eventually got to a point where my stress and anger issues couldn't possibly be normal and that's why I told my psychiatrist about it.

posted September 23, 2019 02:30 PM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
I only know one person with Saturn/Mercury (sextile) and I think she’s awfully boring!! Always plans everything, calculates every word said, everything needs to be “in place” so not to upset the “perfection”. This person can plan ahead WEEKS at a time and seems to be forgetting that “life happens” every now and then..
One also has to be very careful what one says to her because she takes everything 100% serious. There can be NO tongue in cheek.

My Uranus-self can’t deal in all honesty despite having a Cap Moon!

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posted September 24, 2019 09:08 AM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
I only know one person with Saturn/Mercury (sextile) and I think she’s awfully boring!! Always plans everything, calculates every word said, everything needs to be “in place” so not to upset the “perfection”. This person can plan ahead WEEKS at a time and seems to be forgetting that “life happens” every now and then..
One also has to be very careful what one says to her because she takes everything 100% serious. There can be NO tongue in cheek.

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Yup, that's me! Haha, I have Mercury trine Saturn.

posted September 24, 2019 02:17 PM            

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Originally posted by cthonicstar:
What are some of the trends you've noticed in people who have Mercury-Saturn aspects?

To me they always seem careful with speaking. It's as if they are mentally reviewing everything they're about to say to make sure it passes their internal filter.

Or they come across as very quiet people.

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Yes. My dad has Saturn/Asc square Mercury. Reluctant conversationalist; tends to let the other person speak more; slow and choosy with his words before replying to my mom who is the more energetic communicator. (Admittedly, some of these tendencies are from Asc in Cancer conjunct Saturn alone.)

Major angular aspects between these two (conjunction, parallel, square, opposition, contra-parallel) put Saturn into teaching mode to process thoughts and words more before using them. That can mean more emphasis on the attempt to be more appropriate or precise in speech.

So the emphasis is not on speech, but on internal processing and inhibition of frivolous mental impulses. So they tend not to speak until they think they really have something worth contributing.

posted September 25, 2019 01:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:

So the emphasis is not on speech, but on internal processing and inhibition of frivolous mental impulses. So they tend not to speak until they think they really have something worth contributing.

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posted September 25, 2019 11:25 PM            

It is the ego essentially.

The more closed the heart, the more careful and self conscious one tends to be. Careful, is often, another way of saying "fear filled".

I'm speaking as one who has personally experienced the extremes.

Spent first 20 years of life being extremely quiet, introverted, within, and fairly self focused, to the point of moderate autistic like expression. I was miserable and unhappy for most of those years. Actually, severely depressed for most of my childhood.

Most of it was a self defense mechanism. However, the more I started to repoen my heart, the more communicative, the more expressive, more open, friendly, and less careful I became.

Part of what relates to it astrologically is Moon conjunct Saturn, and Mercury in Capricorn widely square Moon.

To be sure, travails, sorrows, challenges beyond my control, etc were a part of all of it too (moving a lot, beloved mother getting sick with cancer at age 16, health problems, being mercilessly bullied throughout grade school, insufferable psychopathic step father, etc). But, I had to choose to change my outlook, my thought patterns, my beliefs, my perceptions to change myself, and the more I did so, the more I changed.

posted September 26, 2019 01:32 PM            

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Originally posted by cthonicstar:
How is this person's writing? Is it the same or different from speaking?

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posted September 26, 2019 05:34 PM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
Everything with this person has got to be perfect (in her mind), otherwise she'll have a mental breakdown!

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True! Same here, haha 😂

posted September 27, 2019 08:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I notice cthonicstar that ou are posted wonderful things. Keep up the amazing work!

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Thanks Ami Anne! I'm sure it's because I feel welcomed here in this supportive community!

posted October 07, 2019 08:07 PM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
I only know one person with Saturn/Mercury (sextile) and I think she’s awfully boring!! Always plans everything, calculates every word said, everything needs to be “in place” so not to upset the “perfection”. This person can plan ahead WEEKS at a time and seems to be forgetting that “life happens” every now and then..
One also has to be very careful what one says to her because she takes everything 100% serious. There can be NO tongue in cheek.

My Uranus-self can’t deal in all honesty despite having a Cap Moon!

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posted October 08, 2019 02:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Correct you are.

Add to that basket Saturn in Virgo/Gemini,Saturn in 3rd or 6th, Capricorn on the cusp of the 3rd/6th.

Raised by grandma or an elder,considerably older siblings or there is a huge gap between them and younger siblings, the only child, learning language through an elder,speaking with authority,being taught to speak with respect, speaking in old/srructured diction,using sentence construction in a very rigid way,you are your own "editor", someone is always shouting at you "speak properly!" and this can create pressure and/or anxiety when it comes to expressing yourself with words, assisted early learning, special needs class, native is elder sibling and is therefore "responsible" for younger siblings, native may be raised by elder siblings, no children their age around to learn from, a childhood that is isolated from peer contact prevents early accumulation of language, native looks up to a sibling that is greatly accomplished in communication, challenges in learning, learning takes longer or there is great pressure to learn early, entering school at an age that is late or too early, a stammer or lisp, a soft voice that doesn't project, a monotonous voice that is off-putting, a voice for radio, an interest in the communication field, being paid for how you express yourself, "dead pan" comic genius,dry sense of humour, sophisticated jargon,using old-style cursive writing and avoiding "sms" language, trouble fitting in with peers as the native often does not relate to people their age etc.

Language and learning is a 3rd house/Mercury function as is communication. So Saturn involved there can create delays and/or issues there that may force the individual to either become well versed at Mercury related things early on (due to imposing pressure).

Or the native may sincerely struggle by having learning challenges due to the inability to focus or have ADD. And perhaps the parents/guardians have a relaxed attitude in steering the native to learn,speak,read or write.

The caution you speak of is because of Saturn.Saturn wants to come across authoritative on the subject expressed by Mercury.This is especially true when there is a conjunction/square.

The opposition as well as the square often creates uncertainty on whether the "correct" information is being communicated. And so they may come across self-doubting unless very well-versed with the crowd they are addressing.

I actually find Mercury-Saturn people quite funny. But they can also be melancholic and prone to depression. This especially with the tight opp/square and conj.

And this is because Saturn brings to the mental sphere chronic thoughts of self criticism. These guys are their own worst critic.

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Wow, this is very accurate for me. I have Mercury in Virgo in my 8th house trine Saturn in Capricorn. I also have Cap ASC and Saturn-ASC conjunction.

My parents worked a lot so I spent a lot of time with my grandparents as a child. My grandmother in particular taught me to read, write (also in cursive!) when I was younger. She worked in education. She picked up on the fact that I had a speech impediment, and so I ended up seeing a speech therapist for while, even while I was in school. My grandmother also taught me how to edit my own work, and then later I edited papers for my family. I was cut off from a lot of social contact just by location - I grew up in the middle of a giant farm, and the only other kids around were my cousins. So when I tired of being around them, I had to find ways to entertain myself.

posted October 08, 2019 09:47 AM            

As a child he was language-delayed for several years, and is very quiet now unless you get him one-to-one or in very small groups or loosened up by alcohol.

Emotionally, he really struggles to express feelings in verbal terms.

Fascinatingly, though, he is a huge thinker and an exceptionally talented linguist -- in computer programming terms.

When he does talk, people listen - and he's renowned for pithy, often borderline rude or disrespectful comments - but gets away with it due to his talent and his Sagittarius rising charm.

Language and communication is definitely a key theme in his chart - he also has north node in gemini.

Certainly though, the saturn-mercury-sun element is very significant!