posted October 02, 2019 03:12 PM            

How has it influenced your life? Dealing with others? Your appearance? Personal experience with Plutonians?

posted October 02, 2019 03:46 PM            

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posted October 02, 2019 09:18 PM            

There is no more amplifying area of the chart than near the Ascendant.

While the Rising Sign correlates with our physical body, temperament, and personality, there is a much deeper layer to the Ascendant--especially in relation to Planets.

The Ascendant point represents the moment when the Soul fuses it's energies into the physical body more fully.

The Planet closest to the Ascendant degree, often correlates with/indicates the nonphysical dimension/consciousness level we entered into the Earth from.

This is why the Planet closest to the Ascendant (especially so when it's conjunct the Ascendant and/or in the 1st House) is so often so powerfully highlighted in a person's psyche and life, and in a very deep and consistent way.

Here's an example: My partner of 18+ years has Aqua Sun, Venus, and South Node all in her 1st House. She has a late Capricorn Rising cusping Aquarius. In other words, her chart is fairly loaded with Aquarius (and she has 10th House Uranus).

Yet, Venus is the Planet closest to her Ascendant (and not conjunct her Sun). By far, she is more Venusian than anything else, and not in any shallow way, but in a very deep, very consistent and core way. She's an artist and loves all that is beautiful and harmonious, she's very interpersonal oriented, loves romance, and is fairly emotional. She's a touch and affection addict (I swear sometimes she's a Taurus in disguise). She's got a lot of Yang energy in her chart, with all that Aquarius, Aries Moon, and moderate Libra, BUT the powerfully highlighted Venus helps to counterbalance that.

She's definitely more grounded and sensual/earthly than the archetypal Aquarius, though she does have a spiritual, humanitarian, psychic/intuitive, etc side as well (not only indicated by the strong Aquarius, but also by strong Jupiter, and strong Uranus, moderate Pisces). In some ways, I'm actually more Aquarian like than she is, and I only have Aqua Descendant and Venus (though Venus rules my Moon and MC, and thus it's a more sensitive and amplifying area).

The ancients understood these principles better than do many in astro circles today, which is why they said things like that the ruler of the Ascendant was the "Lord of the life".

posted October 02, 2019 09:40 PM            

Pluto is an amplifier.

When it's primarily the faster vibratory Planets that are strong/highlighted, such as Sun, Jupiter, and/or Neptune, then Plutonians can be quite positive and spiritually powerful.

But when it's the slowest vibratory Planets that are the strongest (especially Saturn and Mars), with a lack of highlighting of the prior, then Plutonians can be negative indeed, dipping into the psychopathic/ASPD spectrum at times.

Cayce's guidance called Pluto that of "consciousness". Seems very vague and general, but does leave some important clues. Part of Pluto's meaning and symbolism, is becoming more conscious of the shadow and/or lacking in Light side of life, ourselves, etc, ultimately for the purpose of consciousness purification and thus also growth.

posted October 02, 2019 10:19 PM            

Let's see, how to put this without writing a book...I grew up in less than ideal circumstances, though I do think being raised mostly by a loving grandmother for the first 4 years of my life was a saving grace that gave me a foundation to keep from self-destructing. I can, but no longer do, talk about intense things that would make Oprah do a double take, and to me that's just life so no big deal (I didn't grow up to think it was strange, and FBI crime stats among other sources show that that my experience was not uncommon, but having risen in society and also certain reactions online have caused me to be more reluctant to share, more for the sake of others who I think can't handle it than myself, though there is also the awareness they can try to use it against me--I may delete this later as my Libran nature is debating whether or not to share, and I only intend it as a way to observe Plutonian natures).

Two instances from when I was 4 that I think shaped my Plutonian character:

One, I did instinctually believe adults when I was 4, but when my uncle lied to me about the branding of calves not hurting, my world fell apart because I didn't know what to believe. I was extremely upset in the way of a 4-year-old. And there was an old cow I liked, so to teach me that cows are livestock, not pets, he killed her and fed her to me. I didn't understand what had happened for a few days, but once it sunk in, what I learned is that my love kills. I even got irrationally scared of some people being around my uncle as an adult because I subconsciously feared he'd kill them (something a two-headed snake told me in a dream and makes sense). This has been exacerbated in that I've experienced others dying who I was close to before I was an adult.

Also, an aunt (wife to said uncle) decided to "teach" me to swim by putting a life preserver on me and tossing me out in a lake. I'm still 4 at this time (and to this day I dream of that lake being much bigger than it is, and likely how it looked to me when I was 4). I scream and cry for her to come get me so she walks away (as she realizes I'm not even going to try while she's there). So I do calm down and figure out how to paddle back to the dock, though more than once the thick life preserver on me held my head under water so that I had to kick until I could get my head back up. I believe this created my "ice cold" persona that adrenaline triggers in my body. I can feel the adrenaline (and the strength and speed it grants), but I'll rarely scream, I'm more analyzing the situation and my conscience is suppressed so I can be like the Terminator. (More on this in a bit.)

This was augmented sometime when I was 5 (or maybe even still 4) after Mom took me just to spite my grandmother. I tried to wake up the hungover 'rents to feed me only to get punched across the room (as in my feet came off the floor and I bounced off the wall before I landed). So next time, too scared too wake them, I figured out how to use a chair, spatula, wooden spoon to pry out a box of cereal (the rest easy) and a warm feeling of being able to do it myself filled me. This not only added to the "ice cold" persona when I feel threatened, but I believe that in occult manners it's why I fear to pray (as I associate that with those who would kill "my" cow, toss me in a lake and leave me alone, punch me across the room for asking to be fed, etc, and I've noticed prayer almost always turns out bad for me so that I almost never do it) while magic can work IF it's creative (as I was with getting the cereal), that is I have to come up with a spell myself (and can't repeat it, it has to be original each time AND I have to have a rationale for it) and that will work to an amazing degree that I don't feel like talking about here.

With Scorpios (and other Plutonians), we tend to either get along really well, or not at all (and then there's my Scorpio mother, our relationship is complicated). My BFF was practically my astro-twin (born 3 days later, so Scorpio on the Libra cusp rather than Libra on the Scorpio cusp, and her moon was in Capricorn rather than Sag, don't know her TOB) and though we were different, we got along well. She was very hedonistic, and very much into sex and drugs which I was curious about but did very little of at the time. People talk about how Scorpios are strong and Libras are spineless, but I was the one protecting her from the bullies rather than the other way around.

And I met a bona fide astro-twin when I was 15, she was born a few hours later at the same hospital as me (a surprise to us both, and going by the teacher's surprise I think she believed in astrology and couldn't figure out how we could be so different). As an adult, I had a friend get her details, including TOB (in exchange for a free astrological analysis by "someone practicing"), and found she had a 10H Pluto which I think explains much about her intense preppy disposition, and why she hated how laid back I was (though I think the real conflict is that her 12H is my 5H so that I represented what she feared about herself). Even so, I respected her for speaking directly to my face (as I'd do to others) rather than behind my back, though our teacher didn't (who made the mistake of assigning our seats by alphabetical order and even our names were almost identical so that she sat right beside me). The class loved our banter against each other. (When the teacher also announced our birthdays it was asked what hospital we were born at and it was theorized by someone in class that I must've stolen her pacifier for her inability to accept my presence ).

Interesting enough, when Pluto transited Sag, especially the early years (aligned with my natal 5H planets), my life was more intense than plenty of TV dramas out there. My astro-twin (or very close) BFF sharing it with me died. (I don't know what happened to my preppy astro-twin, other than she survived.)

I was so analytical and asked such questions in school that when I was 12 a grown man said I scared him (he was discussing Norse mythology and I said that I did understand why they'd fight a doomed battle against the giants in the afterlife, a spiritual view that he said made no sense to him so I tried to explain it, because better to die as who you are than to live for eternity as what you are not). School came up with a policy of allowing me to read or write in class even if no one else was allowed (something that got pointed out more than once by other students) on the condition that I did not ask questions or participate in class discussions. I actually remember one teacher flinching when my hand went up.

'Course my Mars-Uranus did give me a trollish nature. I was rarely cruel about it, but could easily hurt people without meaning to, and when I was pushed, I pushed back harder, including against adults (one time I think the only reason I didn't get arrested for it is because I had bruises from where the teacher dug her claws into my arm whereas I'd shoved her hard against the wall with a warning to never touch me again which terrified her, but left no marks). This was intensified as Sag transited my Mars-Uranus (the early years of Pluto in Sag).

When I was 14 I did shrooms with older kids. I had a mystical trip which angered one other because he'd been trying to have a shamanic vision and it never happened, but I was apparently reading minds (though growing up with alcoholic and volatile parents I did learn to read people very well as a survival skill) among other things. The shrooms actually talked to me at one point, and it was not only beautiful but enlightening. I realized then, through "guided memories," that I hated school because I loved learning and school was interfering with that (too slow for me). I have no doubt I could've passed the GED with flying colors (which I did later because I dropped out of school, one of the best decisions I ever made, though hitchhiking across the country at age 16 wasn't, even if it was surprisingly pleasant experience...at first) had I just been turned loose in a library and allowed to teach myself. I'd say by age 12 I'd have been ready to ace my GED.

At age 15 I was a runaway living on the streets. I became close to another girl who was a bit of a passionate psycho (though I think she was just after justice in an unjust world in her own way), and despite many differences, we had something in common not shared by many others in our krew of runaway kids (plus there was only a year's difference between us). She knew what it was to be loved and to lose it. So did I. And I asked her which was better, to know what love is and no longer have it, or be like the others who never knew what it was to begin with? In retrospect that was an incredibly introspective question for a 15-year-old, but something a 3H Pluto (one transiting my 5H natal planets at the time) would indeed ask.

After my astro-twin BFF died while imprisoned by a pimp I learned that the home was owned by a rich lawyer with a lot of media and political connections (and also had a taste for little girls as well as providing others with their forbidden pleasures). After he died, the house was raided and pimping operation in process shut down, which I presume was so that whoever inherited it could then do whatever with it. When I returned to Houston in my early 20s I almost looked up the ownership of that address...I think what stopped me is I felt there was a high chance of being targeted for murder (perhaps by a cop "fearing for his life") that I didn't for the sake of my good friend who drove me there (as she'd likely pay with her life as well). If I did, I might've confronted that person. Sometimes I still think about it, but I'm sure the truth is well buried if not obliterated by this point (that all happening back in the 90s). But I came close to doing it once and even now get curious.

My time on the streets as a runaway added to my survival state of mind, and through experiences best not described (though I've talked about them plenty at a PTSD support group as an adult), I could prevail by clear thinking with ice cold adrenaline flooding my veins, the seed planted at 4 when I was tossed out into that lake growing in my psyche. I believed this has given me something of something like an alternate personality, but it's more of an altered state of consciousness.

I'm only aware of it surfacing a handful of times. I have full memory of it even though it's a very different, almost alien, type of thinking when it comes over me. The most mysterious part to me that fills me with curiosity is the reaction of others. Like when I saw 2 men about to lead a boy off the girl talking to me went silent (which I noted but discounted as unimportant while in that state of mind) and she later told me if I'd looked at her the same way she'd look at those men that she'd have peed herself. She wasn't old enough to describe it well, only that it was like I'd drawn a knife and she knew blood was going to be spilled, and for all intent and purposes I'd become a completely different person in a matter of seconds. She wasn't necessarily wrong, but when the men saw me, they instantly ran, so they saw it, too. (I didn't think to get the girl to use her phone to take their pic as iphones were not present when this aspect of me was developed, something I kicked myself over later.)

Where it's really mysterious to me was when I was still living in a bad neighborhood as an adult. I passed a motel at night in which a man called down to me in a threatening way, and I quickly looked around for things like cameras, and seeing none, I realized this was his hunting ground. However, if he could get away with almost anything then so could I! I remember looking at him and thinking of the ways I could kill him (discounting the gun I had as "too noisy") and wondering if I should even bother reporting it to the police or just leave his cooling corpse in the street (as I say it was a bad neighborhood). And yet as this went through my mind, he suddenly went from menacing to terrified, and at first walked quickly to one set of stairs before he realized that was the direction where I was going and reversed back to the stairs that would lead closer to the manager's office. I have no idea what he saw, but he was another story up and I was on the sidewalk rather than parking lot (though the street lights were bright there so I was well illuminated). I'll always wonder what it is he saw (felt?), but I'm sure it's the same thing that terrified a little girl who saw me looking at someone else that way. But in astrological terms, I'm pretty sure they saw my Pluto in its purest form, and also that which began to grow from when I was thrown in a lake at age 4, and further developed living on the streets as a kid.

Again, I can count the times that happened (that I'm aware of) on one hand. I'm usually pretty chill, though more than one has automatically assumed BDSM nature of me, which amuses me.

As a volunteer working with the homeless, most liked me, but as one said it was best not to get on my bad side. Even meth heads with violent rap sheets learned not to cross me, and given how overly confident (and crazy) meth tends to make people, I suspect they see some of that nature that scared others. (Not just them, but after I confronted some and still had an adrenaline high from it, a corrupt authority figure tried intimidating me, and I was so amused by the absurdity that she thought SHE could scare me after that so I laughed in her face which enraged her, though to be fair she has made me more paranoid with her legal tricks and gaslighting since then than any of the tweakers have, not that I regret it).

It might surprise you that I do not, generally speaking, like violent movies. If it gets too real then I can even "smell and taste" the blood, and I don't like that. I'd rather have the rule of cool and love cartoons like RWBY and even Kim Possible over shows like Breaking Bad. There are exceptions...I have a taste for zombie horror and the like because of the question of "can you keep your humanity"? Having been in some intense survival situations, it's something I ponder, and personally think it's not worth it if you can't (and in a literal zombie apocalypse I'd rather die than become as cold and unfeeling as the zombies themselves). I also like vampires as monsters rather than romantic figures. In the Mouth of Madness was brilliant to me, and I think a good metaphorical statement on how our society is always closer to the brink of mass insanity than it realizes (and I do mean to include myself).

It's odd to me in that to the world I can be seen as really cold or callous about some things while caring too much about other things, while I look at the world and also see it as incredibly callous about certain things while more sensitive than a toothache about trivial things. (I'd explain this more, and also some perceptions I have that I don't think occur to most people that would cause them to do a double take if I mentioned it to them, but this is already too long.)

I'm also infamous for my black (also called gallows) humor, something I have to watch as it can be upsetting to people. Humor is one of the healthier coping strategies, and I'm convinced that humor exists in large part to deal with the horrors of the world. Those of us who face horrors tend to have blacker humor (and it's no surprise to me that violent nations with appalling conditions, something I expect the US to become more of in the years ahead, have a rich tradition of gallows humor). Even so, I also have a notable love for puns (could that be a manifestation of my 3H sun and stellium that includes Pluto?).

posted October 02, 2019 10:53 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
3H Pluto conjunct with Sun, merc, Venus, Saturn, on the Scorpio cusp, sextile to 5H Sag moon, Mars, Uranus, Neptune. (Scorpio Jupiter. Lots of asteroids in Scorpio and Sag.) As is typical of 3H Pluto, I'm extremely analytical, and while I welcome alternate viewpoints, I question them all (including my own at times, going through some major changes in beliefs at times, though it's all part of the journey, it's not that I feel I wasted an earlier part of my life).
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I was so analytical and asked such questions in school that when I was 12 a grown man said I scared him (he was discussing Norse mythology and I said that I did understand why they'd fight a doomed battle against the giants in the afterlife, a spiritual view that he said made no sense to him so I tried to explain it, because better to die as who you are than to live for eternity as what you are not). School came up with a policy of allowing me to read or write in class even if no one else was allowed (something that got pointed out more than once by other students) on the condition that I did not ask questions or participate in class discussions. I actually remember one teacher flinching when my hand went up.
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It might surprise you that I do not, generally speaking, like violent movies. If it gets too real then I can even "smell and taste" the blood, and I don't like that. I'd rather have the rule of cool and love cartoons like RWBY and even Kim Possible over shows like Breaking Bad. There are exceptions...I have a taste for zombie horror and the like because of the question of "can you keep your humanity"? Having been in some intense survival situations, it's something I ponder, and personally think it's not worth it if you can't (and in a literal zombie apocalypse I'd rather die than become as cold and unfeeling as the zombies themselves). I also like vampires as monsters rather than romantic figures. In the Mouth of Madness was brilliant to me, and I think a good metaphorical statement on how our society is always closer to the brink of mass insanity than it realizes (and I do mean to include myself).

It's odd to me in that to the world I can be seen as really cold or callous about some things while caring too much about other things, while I look at the world and also see it as incredibly callous about certain things while more sensitive than a toothache about trivial things. (I'd explain this more, and also some perceptions I have that I don't think occur to most people that would cause them to do a double take if I mentioned it to them, but this is already too long.)

I'm also infamous for my black (also called gallows) humor, something I have to watch as it can be upsetting to people. Humor is one of the healthier coping strategies, and I'm convinced that humor exists in large part to deal with the horrors of the world. Those of us who face horrors tend to have blacker humor (and it's no surprise to me that violent nations with appalling conditions, something I expect the US to become more of in the years ahead, have a rich tradition of gallows humor). Even so, I also have a notable love for puns (could that be a manifestation of my 3H sun and stellium that includes Pluto?).

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Wow, sorry you had to go through all of that! And I would have loved having you in my classroom back when I was a teacher. It gets boring when nobody asks the gooooooood questions! (By the ways, the best part about Norwegian mythology is their whole concept of Hell!)

posted October 02, 2019 11:06 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Cthonicstar, your line of inquiry is correct ime/o.

There is no more amplifying area of the chart than near the Ascendant.

While the Rising [b] Sign correlates with our physical body, temperament, and personality, there is a much deeper layer to the Ascendant--especially in relation to Planets.

The Ascendant point represents the moment when the Soul fuses it's energies into the physical body more fully.

The Planet closest to the Ascendant degree, often correlates with/indicates the nonphysical dimension/consciousness level we entered into the Earth from.

This is why the Planet closest to the Ascendant (especially so when it's conjunct the Ascendant and/or in the 1st House) is so often so powerfully highlighted in a person's psyche and life, and in a very deep and consistent way.

Here's an example: My partner of 18+ years has Aqua Sun, Venus, and South Node all in her 1st House. She has a late Capricorn Rising cusping Aquarius. In other words, her chart is fairly loaded with Aquarius (and she has 10th House Uranus).

Yet, Venus is the Planet closest to her Ascendant (and not conjunct her Sun). By far, she is more Venusian than anything else, and not in any shallow way, but in a very deep, very consistent and core way. She's an artist and loves all that is beautiful and harmonious, she's very interpersonal oriented, loves romance, and is fairly emotional. She's a touch and affection addict (I swear sometimes she's a Taurus in disguise). She's got a lot of Yang energy in her chart, with all that Aquarius, Aries Moon, and moderate Libra, BUT the powerfully highlighted Venus helps to counterbalance that.

She's definitely more grounded and sensual/earthly than the archetypal Aquarius, though she does have a spiritual, humanitarian, psychic/intuitive, etc side as well (not only indicated by the strong Aquarius, but also by strong Jupiter, and strong Uranus, moderate Pisces). In some ways, I'm actually more Aquarian like than she is, and I only have Aqua Descendant and Venus (though Venus rules my Moon and MC, and thus it's a more sensitive and amplifying area).

The ancients understood these principles better than do many in astro circles today, which is why they said things like that the ruler of the Ascendant was the "Lord of the life".

Stephen Arroyo goes into the deeper nature of the Ascendant and the two other Fire correlated Houses/cusps in "Astrology, Karma, and Transformation". One of the better and more holistic treatises on the matter. Like him, I have also noticed that the 5th House is a fairly amplifying/highlighting and sensitive area of the chart too (especially when a Planet in same is also in a major aspect to the Ascendant). [/B]

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posted October 02, 2019 11:07 PM            

I haven't observed that Pluto indicates much about the looks in any obvious or overt ways like most of the other Planets often do.

At most, a slight increase in muscularity and definitely in physical strength (but some of that is the very strong and concentrated self will).

posted October 02, 2019 11:21 PM            

Wasn't saying that. Just pointing out that the ancients knew and understood the pivotal, crucial importance and nature of the Ascendant in general, with even extending it's power/importance to the less direct, ruler of same.

But like with us, it wasn't like there was any one homogeneous belief system and way of looking at things. But I do think there overall was more consensus about the utmost importance of the Ascendant and 1st House and related factors.

I can see why people would make the assumption that the Ascendant is more surface level, as it does more so apply to the Sign on the Ascendant. But the Ascendant point itself, represents something like a Soul portal, and the Planets closest to same become so fundamental and core to that person's deepest, most consistent nature. It's like the person becomes the personification of that energy par excellence. (and to the point where it can color/dominate the rest of the chart).

And it's very noticeable when it's only one Planet. (Becomes a lot more relative, complex, and hard to figure out when it's a stellium).

On another thread, I gave the example of Edgar Cayce being an "uber Uranian", as he had it closely conjunct his Ascendant. Everything about him, from his looks to his deeper psyche was Uranian. (Cayce's guidance called Uranus that of the extremes, the unusual, and the psychic).

posted October 03, 2019 04:27 AM            

And as I've come from an impoverished background with neglectful parents so I didn't have a lot of clothing options, and every school I went to had a very strict dress code...but my learning to sew did increase my options. As a rule of thumb I like 2 mix to colors with a splash of a 3rd (my two stelliums with Scorpio Jupiter between them?).

At 15 (as a runaway, not when I was still in school) I almost looked punk after getting some spiked rings for a dollar each and a pity discount on some Docs from a thrift store.

I also looked like a tomboy until my early 20s. This was primarily out of convenience. Girl clothes cost more (and there wasn't much my family was willing to spend on me) and I'd get in trouble for say ripping or messing up a dress when I wouldn't jeans, so it was easier to wear "boy" clothes.

I also preferred my hair short given the heat (and that my family believed in using open windows instead of AC, which would tangle long hair bad). 'Course a mix of not wanting to pay for hair cuts and Granny wanting to girl me up made it so that I did have long hair more than I wanted (but when I ran away from home, both times, I got another kid to help me cut it short, and also dyed it black the second time).

I also preferred scifi/fantasy growing up, and the role of women was, generally speaking, more egalitarian with men. That is, her worth wasn't based on her ability to get a man (or even a prince) but on her abilities and accomplishments as an individual. That would also downplay any personal tendency to want to girl myself up. (That, and my grandmother never married but had her act together, at least by the time I was around, while my parents were horrible to each other in marriage and worse in divorce, just another reason to not want to take that path. An introspection I have is that taking male surnames in marriage is a legacy from when women were property, and given how my father's side of the family has treated me, I've actually considered having my legal last name changed to my mother's maiden name, and I might yet do it. And my father's side might even pay me to have it done.)

And so this continued into my early 20s when I got a lesbian girlfriend who wanted me to look more feminine, so I did for her, but I was held back by some strange fear that I had to examine introspectively. I realized that I was scared to become feminine would be to become a victim. There are many reasons for this, but I'm exhausted from sharing. (This isn't why I started, though, it was just why it was hard to stop.) Once I realized it, I was able to face it, and becoming more feminine in appearance helped me out so much (as I was treated more like an adult and trusted more) that even after the novelty wore off (and I broke up with her) I've always kept it to some extent.

I've never been into name brand clothing and accessories (and keep those pants without pockets away from me, I see them as a blatant attempt to force me to buy a purse and they'd offend me less if they had no pockets rather than really tiny ones) or being a walking billboard.

That said, cosplaying and costumes can be fun (and I'll wear something fan related at times). This is the only time when I'll go all out, and the times I did this combined probably is when I wore the most makeup in all my life (which is otherwise minimalist for the most part).

And I'll dress up for appearances, as appropriate to business, church (an admittedly ultra-rare experience for me, but when I do I dress appropriately), hiking, horseback riding, certain jobs (if painting or hay is involved there's a good chance I'll be wearing overalls as one example), a dance (even in my tomboy days I put on a dress for country/western dancing if it seemed more appropriate than jeans), and the like, but this is more practical than anything to me. Otherwise I don't care that much, but the rule thumb of "2 colors with a splash of another" is still one that I tend to follow, and I also tend to follow the "classics" of fashion (that is simple rules, not actually following the fashion industry or dressing as if I lived in another century).

I do like altering my own clothes to give them my personal touch and feel more like mine, though, and have since I was a child.

posted October 03, 2019 04:27 AM            

Plutonians have many features which you can find all over the internet, but a few subtle ones I have learned about their kind (including myself) is that they are always afraid that people who know them might hurt them (by finding out their achilles' heel), and that is why they always appear mysterious: so that nobody would get to know the real them.

They also analyze and research a lot because of their need to discover the root of everything. Sometimes that makes them appear obsessive.

They are usually the most real people among the zodiac, and the most faithful and loyal, and the most likely to accept you for who you are.

posted October 03, 2019 06:48 AM            

My life was also filled with abuse - mostly physical and emotional - and I went through a damn long dark night of the soul that was hell on Earth and that lasted well over a decade. I came out of it but even these days my emotions can be a bit overpowering and overwhelming.

posted October 03, 2019 08:18 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
^ So Pluto does whatever Rahu does in Vedic ?

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I don't know, am not that familiar with Vedic.

posted October 03, 2019 09:09 AM            

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Originally posted by Somna7H:
Am a Plutonian ?
Except Uranus or Asc all other planets aspected by Pluto.

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Provided your chart is very accurate:

No. It looks like the Moon is likely the most highlighted Planet in your chart, followed by Uranus, and then Venus.

Venus, the chart ruler, is closely conjunct the Moon and the Moon is closely cusping it's own Sign, Cancer (AND the ruler of the Moon Sign, Mercury, is in Cancer, boosting that Sign and facilitating a further connection between the two beyond the Cancer cusping).

Venus because she is conjunct the Moon. The strong Taurus and moderate Libra also boost her. Moon and the Venus are the closest Planets to the Ascendant. (Note: I automatically give everyone's 1st House a full 30 degrees because of how important/sensitive the Ascendant is).

Then Uranus, because it's the only truly Angular Planet (Neptune for all intents and purposes is in the 8th) and in close aspect to the Ascendant. The interesting thing about 7th House planets though, is while they are strong in us and especially in our life, it's like we often don't fully accept those energies about ourselves, and tend to project them onto and attract it from/within others. It's often usually a case of "positive shadow projection" with Descendant and Venus. (It's a common misconception that everything in and about the shadow is negative. It's not, shadow just means that which is in the unconscious).

There is some attunement to Pluto, but it's well within the 6th House. On average, the 12th, 6th, 3rd, and 9th (in descending order from least amplifying to slightly more so) are the least amplifying/active areas of the chart. The attunement to Pluto comes from the close square from the Sun, which is the ruler of the IC. This indicates to me that it was stronger/more highlighted in some other lives and there is a subconscious memory of it and thus there is still some attunement, though it's more in the background this life. Also, Mercury, ruler of the Moon Sign, partakes in the square somewhat which highlights it a bit as well.

That was probably a heavy/intense life/lives with a lot of pain. Would be grateful that this one is less heavy/intense.

Man, everybody wanting to be Plutonian. Reminds me of a line in "DeadPool", "ooh, so dark! Sure you're not part of the DC world?"

Haha, j/k.

But, I don't lay claim to being a predominant Plutonian even though Pluto is closely square my Sun, which is also my chart/Ascendant ruler (and it's one of the closest Sun aspects). Nor the near exact trine from Pluto to Venus which is Angular and rules the Moon and MC Signs and the Sign that Pluto is placed in.

Why, because Pluto is fully within a Cadent House. There is definitely some attunement to Pluto, but knowing self well, Jupiter, Neptune, Uranus, Venus, etc are definitely stronger, and these are either directly connected to the Angles and/or the 5th House i.e. the power areas/points of the Chart.

posted October 03, 2019 11:01 AM            

Even with the Sun ruling my Ascendant/chart, I don't find this to be the case. Is Mercury strong/highlighted in my chart. Definitely so, and especially since the Sun is also the chart/Ascendant ruler. But it takes a back seat to 4 other planets ahead of the line.

Another way of thinking of it is in terms of speed of movement. The faster moving the symbol, the more personal it is to the individual.

The Ascendant is the fastest moving part of the chart, and sets up the whole foundation and structure of the rest of the chart.

Arroyo had a neat explanation for the amplifying power of the Ascendant by talking about how the Moon often looks much bigger when on the horizon. The horizon corresponds with the 1st/7th House axis.

posted October 03, 2019 04:20 PM            

So I consider myself minimally Plutonian and experience its influence as more mental than physical.

The main way it has influenced my life seems to be by urging the development of depth, determination to look deeper; not satisfied with surface level values, surface level understanding. I think of it has Gregg Braden wrote of the interpretation of the alpha-numeric code in our DNA: God eternal within the body; the god seed.

posted October 04, 2019 12:04 AM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
I have my Sun in an exact opposition to my Pluto. My pluto is in Scorpio.

Plutonians have many features which you can find all over the internet, but a few subtle ones I have learned about their kind (including myself) is that they are always afraid that people who know them might hurt them (by finding out their achilles' heel), and that is why they always appear mysterious: so that nobody would get to know the real them.

They also analyze and research a lot because of their need to discover the root of everything. Sometimes that makes them appear obsessive.

They are usually the most real people among the zodiac, and the most faithful and loyal, and the most likely to accept you for who you are.

I personally think they are great, unless they are unevolved, which makes them pessimistic, manipulative and energy-sucking vampires.

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I like this description because it sounds very accurate to how I am.

Growing up, people would constantly say that I am mysterious. Even at work while working with a customer, I was told that most of the time when dealing with people in sales she could tell who they are when working with them based on how they project themselves; with me she didn't know anything about me at all, more so couldn't figure out anything about me.

posted October 05, 2019 08:14 AM            

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Originally posted by cthonicstar:
I'm curious to learn more about Plutonians!

How has it influenced your life? Dealing with others? Your appearance? Personal experience with Plutonians?

Celebrities with Pluto tightly conjunct ASC:
Keanu Reeves, Jared Leto, Beyonce, Leonardo DiCaprio, Benedict Cumberbatch, and Aishwarya Rai

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I have Pluto sextile my Asc and Venus and square my moon.
Pluto also is conjunct Saturn.
Not sure if I qualify but here's the skinny:
I feel exceptionally resilient with emotions.
I feel people assume things about my mother that are plain ridiculous lol (our relationship while it has its issues is nothing like what I've ever read on the Hades moon).
I feel people assume WAY TOO MUCH about me and it makes me very suspicious and isolated. People often call anything Scorpio or Pluto insecure and paranoid and what not, I think they should take into account how much we react to their assumptions and suspicions about us. I'm as candid as my Leo rising and yet I regularly find myself having to fight rumours brought on by co-workers who think I'm manipulating my way to whatever end when I in fact couldn't manipulate to save my life as it clashes too much with my ethics, integrity (I'd rather get an honest 'no' to a request than a yes I have designed myself, to be truly heard, loved, agreed with... matters to me: Virgo sun + Capricorn moon), and obsession with safety (I'm the kind of person who doesn't fear her nudes leaking because I have no nudes, simple )
I'm the most sensitive person I know, sometimes it makes me unemotional because the shell I use to function can become quite hermetic. For example I don't cry when I hear a co-worker has a miscarriage (I insist on "hear", it's a different business if I see the person and sense their emotions), but I can cry just thinking back on tragedies for examples reading the last words of innocents about to be executed or seeing pictures of people in the camps... I feel I can effortlessly get in touch with almost anyone's most intimate emotions and sensations too at almost any given time, anywhere, though it's never a choice, just a possibility that can hit me.
My emotions seem more intense than average but only to others, I get told that and had to learn to accept it, to me they just are my emotions, they are physical, deep, but I've never felt otherwise.
In relationships I do feel all the Pluto/Scorpio urges (I have mars in Scorpio too), but it's a very good tell for me, if the urge is strong (jealous of a "friend", jealous-possessive (I think possessive on its own is not always bad, but the "jealous" type is) with a "lover" then it means I'm not genuine, it's more of an obsession, and so I'll leave the toxic emotions triggering situation. When I really love, the urge is more like my anxiety, something I perceive but instantly fight and come out of wiser and more serene, attached in stronger, sincerer ways.
I feel Pluto conjunct Saturn could me my winning thing. It's as if those two energies are perfectly balanced, constantly balanced. I can never yield to any excess of either passion or reason because these two walk hand in hand in me.
I mean if it weren't the case I would have murdered someone else or myself, or at least try or plot to about a hundred times in my early years

posted October 05, 2019 11:42 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
That was probably a heavy/intense life/lives with a lot of pain.

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Yes, this is actually my life.
Nothing less. But I would like to become a Venusian anyday instead a Plutonian.
Thank you very much for your time and energy to read my chat. I really appreciate it.