posted October 05, 2019 11:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Somna7H:
Yes, this is actually my life.
Nothing less. But I would like to become a Venusian anyday instead a Plutonian.
Thank you very much for your time and energy to read my chat. I really appreciate it.

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While I often associated the IC/4th House and the Moon with other life patterns, they also just as much often relate to home conditions more so. But, I do suspect that things may have been even more intense in another life or lives, and that to some extent, you're replaying/re-experiencing certain patterns.

Said more so Lunar all in all provided the chart is very accurate (I NEVER assume this btw). Moon of course is a very emotional and very up and down symbol of patterns. Whatever difficulties are experienced, will become more intense on an emotional level because of the intense emotionality that is innate.

A very archetypal Aquarian for an example, could have a similar life with similar events, and not be nearly as affected. But with Moon, Pluto, and even Venus to some extent, there is a strong probable tendency towards strong emotionally based attachment.

Ever notice the interaction between Yeshua in the NT and the widower. Some folks might consider that interaction kind of callous and empathy lacking. Basically he tells the widower, let it go, it's not as big of a deal as you're making out to be (because he knows that the person being grieved is still very much alive, that it's only a temporary SEEMING separation, and that they are holding back their life and spiritual growth by over focusing on the intense emotional attachment to the person and the situation. Astrologically we could say that Yeshua was operating from a strong combo of very strong Aquarius, Jupiter, and moderate Pisces in this situation.

posted October 06, 2019 07:22 PM            

I have Pluto on my ASC (1 degree orb) and it aspects every one of my personal planets. I have only 2 hard aspects; a conjunction and opposition. The rest are trines, sextiles, and quincunx.

Right now I'm experiencing a loss of the self; I feel incredibly trapped in my current life. It's getting difficult to remember who I am these days-I have given so much of myself to others for the past 5 years. So, I'm mustering up everything I have and working to be the buttercup who did buckle up.

I've been taken advantage of many times and was so distrustful towards people all my life. It was only in the last few years that I finally learned to soften myself up a little bit and not to be so clammed up.

I've not had a tragic or abusive life. The only thing that really stands out is how much I'd been silenced. People would feel threatened by my presence and talk over me on purpose to push me out of the conversation, block me from talking to certain people, some have even outright pushed me out of spaces without any warning. I always got this vibe from others that I was not acceptable for even existing and breathing the same air. I quickly learned that to even barely pass in society, I have to wear a mask. The mask I've noticed consistently works for 2 hours tops. Then it's back to being myself and the ostracization begins. I've actually gained a reputation at work gatherings for it-I'm always out of there after 2 hours to save myself. So yeah, crippling self-doubt and social anxiety are my constant bedfellows.

posted October 07, 2019 12:56 AM            

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People would feel threatened by my presence and talk over me on purpose to push me out of the conversation, block me from talking to certain people, some have even outright pushed me out of spaces without any warning. I always got this vibe from others that I was not acceptable for even existing and breathing the same air. I quickly learned that to even barely pass in society, I have to wear a mask. The mask I've noticed consistently works for 2 hours tops. Then it's back to being myself and the ostracization begins. I've actually gained a reputation at work gatherings for it-I'm always out of there after 2 hours to save myself. So yeah, crippling self-doubt and social anxiety are my constant bedfellows.

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posted October 07, 2019 01:44 AM            

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Originally posted by Moonbeth:
Could have written that ^^

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I could have written some of it, too. I've dealt with social phobia since I was five.

I don't know if I'm a Plutonian. Pluto rules my chart, and aspects personal planets (Moon/Venus), opposes Jupiter, squares Saturn, and the generational sextile to Neptune. I think Uranus is stronger. I have survived things, I've seen some **** , but others have seen more, so I just don't know.

I used to be quiet about everything. My best friend eventually asked me why I hardly talked about my life. I knew that everyone had problems, and felt like I needed to deal with mine on my own, to not put them onto anyone else.

Now, I will talk about them until people are sick of it. I should probably be more self-protective, I do keep some things to myself, but it doesn't matter to me so much anymore.

posted October 07, 2019 05:46 AM            

Sun, Mercury, Venus Scorpio sq Leo Pluto
Aries Asc trine Pluto

posted October 07, 2019 09:36 AM            

I've Pluto quincunx Sun, quintile Moon, trine ASC. I read that Pluto quincunx Sun individuals can analyse a situation or relationship to death and often self-sabotage, and that's really like me. 😓 There were times I cut off relationships because I sensed danger. The first impression I give others is often that I'm domineering and unyielding, even though I'm usually friendly and chatty and non-confrontational. Even though I think I'm this way, some people think I'm trying to provoke them. No matter where I go, there will always be that 1 or 2 individuals that find me a threat and will provoke, attack or backstab me.

The problem with the quincunx is I can be unaware of the energy especially when I was younger. I read that Pluto-Sun people usually don't know their own strength until much later in life and that resonates with me.

posted October 07, 2019 01:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Like Kani, I love criminal psychology too especially the study of serial killers (what makes them the way they are, what goes through their minds etc). Not just that, I'm also interested in why some people go to the extreme even though others are experiencing the same thing.

I've Pluto quincunx Sun, quintile Moon, trine ASC. I read that Pluto quincunx Sun individuals can analyse a situation or relationship to death and often self-sabotage, and that's really like me. 😓 There were times I cut off relationships because I sensed danger. The first impression I give others is often that I'm domineering and unyielding, even though I'm usually friendly and chatty and non-confrontational. Even though I think I'm this way, some people think I'm trying to provoke them. No matter where I go, there will always be that 1 or 2 individuals that find me a threat and will provoke, attack or bad stab me.

The problem with the quincunx is I can be unaware of the energy especially when I was younger. I read that Pluto-Sun people usually don't know their own strength until much later in life and that resonates with me.

I have Pluto in 5th conj Vertex. It seems to suggest fated plutonic encounters?

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Same- some people take my inquisitive nature as confrontational too.

posted October 07, 2019 01:48 PM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
I guess my mom could be called a Plutonian. Or Scorpian.

Sun, Mercury, Venus Scorpio sq Leo Pluto
Aries Asc trine Pluto

She has Scorpio The Scorpio Eyes. She’s very private but kind until you push her buttons.. Gets along better with animals. Birds LOVE her! Dresses very unprovocative. Was “ostracized” from her work and had a mental breakdown. Hasn’t worked since then. Had HUGE problems with alcohol but has been sober for almost 4 yrs.

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Hades and Persephone got along just fine with Cereberus where everyone else was terrified of the dogs lol.

posted October 07, 2019 01:53 PM            

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Originally posted by cthonicstar:
Maybe we're painted as Hades archetypes when really we're just Hagrids with Fluffy's.

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posted October 07, 2019 03:17 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I could have written some of it, too. I've dealt with social phobia since I was five.
I don't know if I'm a Plutonian. Pluto rules my chart, and aspects personal planets (Moon/Venus), opposes Jupiter, squares Saturn, and the generational sextile to Neptune. I think Uranus is stronger. I have survived things, I've seen some **** , but others have seen more, so I just don't know.
I used to be quiet about everything. My best friend eventually asked me why I hardly talked about my life. I knew that everyone had problems, and felt like I needed to deal with mine on my own, to not put them onto anyone else.
Now, I will talk about them until people are sick of it. I should probably be more self-protective, I do keep some things to myself, but it doesn't matter to me so much anymore.

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As I've wrote earlier, I don't know if I qualify either, every astrologer seems to have their own set of criteria... If you experience the traits, I guess you do, if you're aware of the energy as part of yourself I guess you do...

posted October 08, 2019 09:29 AM            

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Originally posted by cthonicstar:
Amazing responses. @GalacticCoreExplosion, thank you for taking the time to explain different perspectives, it's expanded my mind.

I have Pluto on my ASC (1 degree orb) and it aspects every one of my personal planets. I have only 2 hard aspects; a conjunction and opposition. The rest are trines, sextiles, and quincunx.

Right now I'm experiencing a loss of the self; I feel incredibly trapped in my current life. It's getting difficult to remember who I am these days-I have given so much of myself to others for the past 5 years. So, I'm mustering up everything I have and working to be the buttercup who did buckle up.

I've been taken advantage of many times and was so distrustful towards people all my life. It was only in the last few years that I finally learned to soften myself up a little bit and not to be so clammed up.

I've not had a tragic or abusive life. The only thing that really stands out is how much I'd been silenced. People would feel threatened by my presence and talk over me on purpose to push me out of the conversation, block me from talking to certain people, some have even outright pushed me out of spaces without any warning. I always got this vibe from others that I was not acceptable for even existing and breathing the same air. I quickly learned that to even barely pass in society, I have to wear a mask. The mask I've noticed consistently works for 2 hours tops. Then it's back to being myself and the ostracization begins. I've actually gained a reputation at work gatherings for it-I'm always out of there after 2 hours to save myself. So yeah, crippling self-doubt and social anxiety are my constant bedfellows.

I forgot where I was going with this, other than Plutonic Chart Lord issues? LOL.

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Your welcome Cthonicstar.

My core partner went through a somewhat long cycle/period where she felt people were overly talking over her. It was indeed objectively happening, as I noticed it too, but I think part of what was going on, at least in her case, was that she SO disliked and deep down feared this, that to some extent she was attracting it to her. We talked about it some, she eventually got over the hang up, and it stopped happening more and more.

I'm not, and haven't ever been religious, but there is a saying/teaching in the bible that illustrates this quite well, "That which I have feared, has come upon me." Implying that the more energy and focus we put into something, the more we tend to attract or be attracted (unconsciously) to that in our lives.

With that said, it's been said by at least a few noted astrologers (don't ask cause I don't remember the specifics) that Plutonians tend to have an unsettling effect on others. There can be different reasons for this.

The somewhat rare, unusually fast vibratory Plutonians (whom usually also have Arcturus, Sun, Jupiter, and/or Neptune very strong simultaneously), do so because their emanation is so powerful and fast vibratory that they automatically stir up the shadow of others. If there is a lot of gunk in the other person's or peoples' shadow, then they tend to react in an automatically and unconscious negative way to the source of discomfort. It's almost like the very positive Plutonian is holding up a rather clear mirror to all the inner ugliness and lack of attunement to Love and Source, just by their very, unusually positive, existence.

For the average Plutonian, it's because there is like an inner maelstrom and battle between the higher and lower selves (different than the Uranian attunement of constantly swinging back and forth. With Plutonians, it's a long, drawn out battle) going on in their shadow, and people sense this unconsciously and step back from the intensity. Many people prefer surface peace and harmony, and just aren't working on themselves at such deep levels. Hence, it's uncomfortable for them.

Then with the spiritually very immature Plutonians (who typically have also a simultaneously very strong Saturn and/or Mars), it's because they are towards the ASPD/psychopathic spectrum, and people that are a bit more sensitive and aware sense this and it's like sensing a Croc nearby. "She might be a beaut of a sheila mate, but blimey, no thanks, time to get away!" (lol, do Aussies even say "blimey"?).

P.S., I have a very hard time trusting others as well, Part of is is that in my last, literal, direct reincarnational dive, I experienced deep manipulation and betrayal at the hands of some rather Machiavellian type people, which caused A LOT of intense problems for me and many others. I was very naive and trusting of others in a universal way in that life.

Now I look at everyone more deeply. Part of what helped me with this, was living with a psychopathic step father for some 11 years during childhood. Really opened up my eyes to the potential dark side of others/humanity. In that sense, I am grateful for the experience, that and it made me a stronger person. Part of this is symbolized by the close Cap Sun square Pluto aspect.

Then, a number of my Spirit's other Soul selves, also experienced deep betrayal and/or manipulation at the hands of others.

Ain't nobody got time for that. So if it seems like I'm staring into and through your Soul when we meet in person, it is because I am, and I'm sizing you, all of you, up. I've always had very intense eyes. My Mom told me that even when I was a young baby, her female friends and strangers would sometimes tell her, "that kids knows something" or "he's looking right through/into me".

I had a straight, but sensitive and more in touch with his feminine side than average (an artist. Aqua Sun, Scorp Moon, Pisces Venus conjunct early Aries Rising), guy friend in high school that during lunch, for some reason commented, "your eyes, they're so deep, it's so easy to get lost in them."

posted October 08, 2019 09:45 AM            

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Originally posted by cthonicstar:
Vertex contacts tend to represent who you attract; it's about other people's planets contacting your Vertex if I understand it correctly?

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posted October 08, 2019 01:01 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Your welcome Cthonicstar.

My core partner went through a somewhat long cycle/period where she felt people were overly talking over her. It was indeed objectively happening, as I noticed it too, but I think part of what was going on, at least in her case, was that she SO disliked and deep down feared this, that to some extent she was attracting it to her. We talked about it some, she eventually got over the hang up, and it stopped happening more and more.

I'm not, and haven't ever been religious, but there is a saying/teaching in the bible that illustrates this quite well, "That which I have feared, has come upon me." Implying that the more energy and focus we put into something, the more we tend to attract or be attracted (unconsciously) to that in our lives.

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Definitely want to put up this as a motivational poster!

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With that said, it's been said by at least a few noted astrologers (don't ask cause I don't remember the specifics) that Plutonians tend to have an unsettling effect on others. There can be different reasons for this.

The somewhat rare, unusually fast vibratory Plutonians (whom usually also have Arcturus, Sun, Jupiter, and/or Neptune very strong simultaneously), do so because their emanation is so powerful and fast vibratory that they automatically stir up the shadow of others. If there is a lot of gunk in the other person's or peoples' shadow, then they tend to react in an automatically and unconscious negative way to the source of discomfort. It's almost like the very positive Plutonian is holding up a rather clear mirror to all the inner ugliness and lack of attunement to Love and Source, just by their very, unusually positive, existence.

For the average Plutonian, it's because there is like an inner maelstrom and battle between the higher and lower selves (different than the Uranian attunement of constantly swinging back and forth. With Plutonians, it's a long, drawn out battle) going on in their shadow, and people sense this unconsciously and step back from the intensity. Many people prefer surface peace and harmony, and just aren't working on themselves at such deep levels. Hence, it's uncomfortable for them.

Then with the spiritually very immature Plutonians (who typically have also a simultaneously very strong Saturn and/or Mars), it's because they are towards the ASPD/psychopathic spectrum, and people that are a bit more sensitive and aware sense this and it's like sensing a Croc nearby. "She might be a beaut of a sheila mate, but blimey, no thanks, time to get away!" (lol, do Aussies even say "blimey"?).

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Great breakdown of the Plutonic evolutions; I will write them down in my references. It sounds so similar to the Scorpio concept of the scorpion, eagle, and Phoenix! It makes perfect sense that Scorpio is the home sign of Pluto.

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Now I look at everyone more deeply. Part of what helped me with this, was living with a psychopathic step father for some 11 years during childhood. Really opened up my eyes to the potential dark side of others/humanity. In that sense, I am grateful for the experience, that and it made me a stronger person. Part of this is symbolized by the close Cap Sun square Pluto aspect.

Then, a number of my Spirit's other Soul selves, also experienced deep betrayal and/or manipulation at the hands of others.

Ain't nobody got time for that. So if it seems like I'm staring into and through your Soul when we meet in person, it is because I am, and I'm sizing you, all of you, up. I've always had very intense eyes. My Mom told me that even when I was a young baby, her female friends and strangers would sometimes tell her, "that kids knows something" or "he's looking right through/into me".

I had a straight, but sensitive and more in touch with his feminine side than average (an artist. Aqua Sun, Scorp Moon, Pisces Venus conjunct early Aries Rising), guy friend in high school that during lunch, for some reason commented, "your eyes, they're so deep, it's so easy to get lost in them."

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posted October 08, 2019 01:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Moonbeth:
I want that on a T-shirt

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posted October 08, 2019 02:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Like Kani, I love criminal psychology too especially the study of serial killers (what makes them the way they are, what goes through their minds etc). Not just that, I'm also interested in why some people go to the extreme even though others are experiencing the same thing.

I've Pluto quincunx Sun, quintile Moon, trine ASC. I read that Pluto quincunx Sun individuals can analyse a situation or relationship to death and often self-sabotage, and that's really like me. 😓 There were times I cut off relationships because I sensed danger. The first impression I give others is often that I'm domineering and unyielding, even though I'm usually friendly and chatty and non-confrontational. Even though I think I'm this way, some people think I'm trying to provoke them. No matter where I go, there will always be that 1 or 2 individuals that find me a threat and will provoke, attack or backstab me.

The problem with the quincunx is I can be unaware of the energy especially when I was younger. I read that Pluto-Sun people usually don't know their own strength until much later in life and that resonates with me.

I have Pluto in 5th conj Vertex. It seems to suggest fated plutonic encounters?

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can relate so much to what you said. Oh and I have sun quinc Pluto too and have been unaware of the energy I emit most of my life.

Im also obsessed with serial killers

posted October 14, 2019 01:35 PM            

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Originally posted by cthonicstar:
I'm curious to learn more about Plutonians!

How has it influenced your life? Dealing with others? Your appearance? Personal experience with Plutonians?

Celebrities with Pluto tightly conjunct ASC:
Keanu Reeves, Jared Leto, Beyonce, Leonardo DiCaprio, Benedict Cumberbatch, and Aishwarya Rai

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I have my Pluto in Scorpio, conjunct my chart ruler Scorpio Venus close on my descendent, with Pluto also exactly parallel my sun/mars/mercury occultation.
My Pluto aspects were the “ah ha” moment for me when first studying my chart/astrology. It really hits deep and I suppose that’s the thing about Pluto, the feeling is insatiable.
I feel like I was truelly born around Plutonian circumstances. My mother is a Scorpio sun with her sun conjunct Neptune and Pluto close to her ascendent along with Uranus and mars, and my dad has his Pluto conjunct ascendent with his sun conjunct mars and mercury in the 1st house. My mother had complications during birth where I almost died and was emergency induced. I feel like my mom
Has had a theme where people will underestimate her (Neptune conjunct sun) and the nurse would not believe my mom When she was trying to tell them there was something wrong. So already a lot of stress during my birth. There was a lot of crime, violence, secrets and taboo topics surrounding my family, as well as what was going on before and after. My mother was a fresh immigrant from Africa, and my dad often manipulated her in saying he would deport her and take me away if she ever thought about leaving. My earliest memories was of them fighting, he would say awful things to Her and it would escalate to violence, until eventually my uncle who moved from Africa to help my mother came and we left. My dad didn’t notice we were gone for several days.. I watched my mom go through so much abuse, racism and just witnessing terrible acts of humanity, I am very protective of her. When it comes to my family and protecting them, I can feel my Pluto side come out. It’s ruthless and I would do anything to protect them. My entire family especially on my moms side is true Plutonian. They are passionate artists, talented, but emotionally volatile and ultimately their undoing. My grandparents moved from Africa where they moved in with my mom and uncle and I feel like they are the source of a lot of pain for my mom
And her siblings. They made good names for themselves, especially making friends with people who were in power and a lot of connections to gangs and rebellions, but they are 100% toxic to each other and from their fights they project, thus beating and doing really crazy stuff you hear about in movies. It’s dramatic to say the least.
Death is also something that was very prominent for me growing up, not only having separation anxiety, I would obsess over loosing my loved ones at an early age.. like 7, I saw and new several people who died. One was a close family friend who for whatever reason was very much obsessed with me, my mom said he almost treated me better than his own kid? Him
And his wife would help my mom watch me since she worked 2-3 jobs. He ended up dying and I never saw his family again because they got deported. Then when I was about 10, I witnessed a family friend get decapitated in a boating accident which was a very morbid experience for me. I honestly can’t tell if the violence and morbid ness was inherited or from seeing too much too young, but I was no doubt a very dark child/person. Though highly sensitive, I was early on a walking ******** detector, my mom would say my uncles ex cheating gold digging wife would accuse her of training me to cry whenever she was around lol. People have always had a strong reaction to me, and vice versa. Sometimes I feel like I’m an open wound, people have a way of protecting onto me. Whether this is positive or negative is really diverse, I’ve had murderers and people with troubled pasts open up and tell me their secrets upon first meeting. I’m a magnet when out drinking, I don’t know what it is but people love to cry to me, like literally start crying, maybe because I’ll listen and it seems like I will understand? But at the same time I’m also a great deturant for any crazies and cons lingering around. My dad has his Venus conjunct Neptune in the 2nd house, and if that doesn’t just scream money karma I dunno what does. Never have I met anyone who has encountered as many con artists as he has, but my uncle recently just went through a con that might even make my dad go.. damn. So many times I’ve had feelings about people, and while everyone is telling me I’m overreacting sure enough, the truth comes out and they end up being theifs and cons.. literal story of my life over and over again: by now they know to trust my instincts because it’s never let me down.
Even the sexual part of Pluto is relevant, tho I don’t want to go into detail, there are history of sexual abuse in my family. As well as stalkers, and overall just dealing with shady characters.
Now physically; despite my Venus also being prominent, I’m often complimented on my eyes and told they are intimidating. My eyes naturally have a very dark complexion, And a scowl/heavy set eyebrow. Like the true skeptic. I find myself making a lot of people uncomfortable.. which makes me also feel uncomfortable. I love dark colors and am drawn to very elegantly dark and beautiful things, things that are earthy yet resonate depth and mystery to them. My mom, and that entire side of the family also wears a lot of black and are drawn to skulls. They are very edgy and all artists. I’ve been told if looks could kill I would have killed them with my eyes lol. There was a story pixie told above that I related to, actually a lot of it. But especially with the switch over, like a scary side that comes out of Pluto, that could make even predators run away in fear. I can feel that side of Pluto come out every so often, it’s really an unstoppable force.

Also, I can relate to something I read about Pluto and it being “too much” in anything it really channels through. I’ve always been told I was “too intense” or I was “too much” when it came to my opinions, or the things i talk about are too taboo, or I’m too sensitive, or I’m too hyperactive, I’m too talkative, I’m too quiet. I feel like this can be something plutonians deal with, thus being really repressive On their extremes. Trying to find a middle ground. I dunno if the passion can ever find a balance.