posted October 12, 2019 12:05 AM            

I remember reading somewhere that people who have moon conjunct IC are comfortable with their emotions. If the IC is the core and the moon is conjunct this deeply personal angle, then that person's emotional responses/life is intrinsic to who they are. And, to me, that suggests someone who finds emotional strength within themselves and is ultimately emotionally self-reliant.

Having said that though, I myself have moon conjunct IC (moon's in the 4th house) and while I do consider myself emotionally self-reliant, I have moon-saturn (and even moon-pluto if u count a quindecile) so maybe that's the key thing here? I'm very, very emotionally-driven and incredibly private regarding my feelings. It just doesn't feel right to be emotional in public, I feel like a fool. I have to be home or someplace that feels like "mine" in order to express myself in that way lol. But I also need to be alone, too.

posted October 12, 2019 12:43 AM            

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Originally posted by MMarie:
I love that a whole conversation started in this thread. Librapurr stated moon conjunct sun is self reliant and I have this aspect. I can see where I don’t like to ask for help in some instances but not sure if it is because of this. I agree with Hypatia238 that it is not always healthy to be self reliant and is good to talk to someone. As far as Virgo moons I don’t think I know any. It is funny that some say they can be dramatic which is more a known quality of Leo moon. Wonder if that’s a shared thing between these neighboring signs? Can also see moon in 12th being self reliant because I believe having 12th house placements make you feel alone or you are in your own world so you can tend to turn inward. At least this is how I feel about my 12th house placements.

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Totally agree with this.As often they can feel "not heard" emotionally or misunderstood.

posted October 12, 2019 12:52 AM            

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Originally posted by mourningfire:
I remember reading somewhere that people who have moon conjunct IC are comfortable with their emotions. If the IC is the core and the moon is conjunct this deeply personal angle, then that person's emotional responses/life is intrinsic to who they are. And, to me, that suggests someone who finds emotional strength within themselves and is ultimately emotionally self-reliant.

Having said that though, I myself have moon conjunct IC (moon's in the 4th house) and while I do consider myself emotionally self-reliant, I have moon-saturn (and even moon-pluto if u count a quindecile) so maybe that's the key thing here? I'm very, very emotionally-driven and incredibly private regarding my feelings. It just doesn't feel right to be emotional in public, I feel like a fool. I have to be home or someplace that feels like "mine" in order to express myself in that way lol. But I also need to be alone, too.

Also, hopping on the virgo moon love train! Any placement in Virgo has my heart

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Hmmm, I tend to create a home wherever I go for myself. I find an environment that's too formal/ restrictive unwelcoming.

Was just with a group for a course these past 4 weeks And there was something especially nurturing about the atmosphere that it became easier to thrive within it.

I never thought to see this as emotional "self reliance" tbh.Even as I don't depend on anyone to make a place comfy for me.I do that all on my own.

posted October 12, 2019 07:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Hmmm, I tend to create a home wherever I go for myself. I find an environment that's too formal/ restrictive unwelcoming.

Was just with a group for a course these past 4 weeks And there was something especially nurturing about the atmosphere that it became easier to thrive within it.

I never thought to see this as emotional "self reliance" tbh.Even as I don't depend on anyone to make a place comfy for me.I do that all on my own.

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I found that interpretation I mentioned about moon conjunct IC!
"You are sensitive and tenacious, and responsive primarily to your own inner voice (solipsistic). You are self-reliant and prefer being alone and on your own in life."

posted October 13, 2019 06:12 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

My Ex Gem/ Virg used to get upset in private. Once I caught him crying and he brushed it off as something else. But i knew that he was drawing a boundary for me not to interfere emotionally

It was like he was saying "let me pick myself up".And I respected the boundary.It didn't offend me because he didn't want to rely on me for that.

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posted October 13, 2019 11:18 AM            

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Originally posted by mourningfire:
I found that interpretation I mentioned about moon conjunct IC!
"You are sensitive and tenacious, and responsive primarily to your own inner voice (solipsistic). You are self-reliant and prefer being alone and on your own in life."

The second line screams cap moon to me tbh. But I also see the link between the idea that those of us with moon conjunct IC, by virtue of being comfortable with our emotions while also prioritizing our emotional responses/instincts, are responsive primarily to our inner voice, as stated. We trust our gut. Even when we don't listen to it, we know it's usually right. Any planet on the IC is fully integrated into a person's psyche, as the fourth house also represents psychological roots. We intuitively know (IC) how to fulfill our own needs (moon). Thus, emotionally self-reliant. (?) Just brainstorming!

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posted October 13, 2019 11:26 AM            

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
I do this, too. I'm a Virgo Sun/Gemini Moon. If you ever catch me upset, it was probably an accident that I didn't intend to be seen. There's no need to involve others while I process my crazy Gemini twins.

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posted October 13, 2019 02:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
There should be a thread dedicated to Moon in 4th or conjunct Ic.So many layers.....

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Truly!!

Some more stuff on the IC:

"Planets conjunct the Nadir symbolize rootedness, conservatism, stability, staying power, firmness.

Natives with these planets have an ability to remain unmoved and unruffled, to withstand the pressures of daily living by tuning into deeper currents or meanings in life.

While all the angles symbolize a 'holding apart' from other people, the Nadir especially symbolizes going it alone.

Planets conjunct this angle don’t wait for others, rely on others, or depend on others.

There is a spiritual manifestation with this angularity rather than a material one: from the spiritual point of view, the Nadir is actually the most powerful angle, since it is not as tied to the standards of success in society as are the other three angles – it shows a self-validating form of strength."

posted October 13, 2019 03:39 PM            

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Originally posted by mourningfire:
Truly!!

Some more stuff on the IC:

"Planets conjunct the Nadir symbolize rootedness, conservatism, stability, staying power, firmness.

Natives with these planets have an ability to remain unmoved and unruffled, to withstand the pressures of daily living by tuning into deeper currents or meanings in life.

While all the angles symbolize a 'holding apart' from other people, the Nadir especially symbolizes going it alone.

Planets conjunct this angle don’t wait for others, rely on others, or depend on others.

There is a spiritual manifestation with this angularity rather than a material one: from the spiritual point of view, the Nadir is actually the most powerful angle, since it is not as tied to the standards of success in society as are the other three angles – it shows a self-validating form of strength."

Based on this, I think aspects to the IC (conjunct especially) play an important role in emotional self-reliance. So those with moon-IC, pluto-IC, saturn-IC, and maybe even mars-IC imo

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posted October 14, 2019 06:55 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
As a therapist I would say that there is something about talking things out with someone that helps you process things in a way that allows you make connections you otherwise would miss on your own. Also shame feeds mental health issues and you get rid of shame not by remaining silent but by talking about that shame in a safe place were you are met with acceptance and compassion, this can be very healing. I can go on and on and talk about attachment issues and how the therapeutic relationship is also beneficial to healing those.

There is a place for been self-reliant yes but is not always the smart choice to go that route. Also, is possible to be self reliant and see a therapist, it doesn't mean you are weak. In fact many self reliant therapists seek counseling at some point in their life. Both of my Capricorn coworkers who are licensed therapists and are self reliant have seeing a therapist themselves, one is currently seeing one right now.

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Years ago I was self-reliant to the point of never feeling the need to share or feel supported. However, I have learned that is actually a blockage I have and I wasn't able to connect and bond with people. I do have a Saturn on IC square AC.

Recently, I have started therapy and it was the best thing. I've always been aware of my own emotions and process but therapy helped me a lot and it's not about weakness but a journey to learn about self and overcome patterns. Cuuriously, NN transit is hitting my Aries stellium midpoints such as Sun/Moon.

posted October 15, 2019 11:04 AM            

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