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Topic: Emotionally self reliant people
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MMarie
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posted October 10, 2019 08:23 PM
  
What signs or aspects makes one emotionally self reliant or even physically self reliant?IP: Logged |
Dons2angelss
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posted October 10, 2019 09:12 PM
Moon in aspect to Pluto or saturn. Saturn would be more about oppression though as Pluto would be actual self-reliance. IP: Logged |
Soulsjourney
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posted October 10, 2019 10:32 PM
I have moon conj Saturn. It makes me less aware of my emotions and bodily feelings.IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted October 10, 2019 11:14 PM
You mean dependable? Like people you can count on?
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MMarie
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posted October 11, 2019 08:45 AM
Thanks all for the replies! Moon conjunct Pluto makes sense. But is this because of trust issues? I’m wondering if the people who do it simply because they do not feel the need to share/talk about or thinking they can sort out their own emotions best is another aspect. Moon - Saturn could be it but I agree that it is more about oppression. @hypatia more like people who rely on themselves to deal with their own emotions rather than seeking external help. But as far as dependable people I do think Saturn could be involved. All heavy cap or Saturn people I know are dependable including my sister with a Cap stellium. IP: Logged |
charlie
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posted October 11, 2019 09:21 AM
I have Cap Moon op. Saturn and square Pluto.
I don’t NEED direct contact with people. I don’t NEED emotional support, guidance or constant verbal communication. I like to find my own ways and my head tends to get “cluttered” with too much input from others.
I’ll be the lone person in the middle of a cafe, surrounded by people, and I’ll be perfectly at peace with situation because I have the knowledge that I am not alone in the world and SOMEONE will just be a “hello” away, should I need it. I have no issues asking strangers for help!IP: Logged |
Hierophantom
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posted October 11, 2019 10:23 AM
I have Aquarius Moon and I always was self-reliant and headstrong, even as a child.
My little brother could not entertain himself as a child, so my parents forced me to play with him, while I preferred to play on my own. Also in work / school situations I preferred to work alone. It could be my Aquarius Moon but I also have an Aries South node. My moon is square Uranus, what gives me a very independent nature. ------------------
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cthonicstar
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posted October 11, 2019 12:15 PM
I have Moon square Uranus and Ceres. I am very independent and nurture myself through solo activities such as going to the movies alone, taking long walks with the dog, and generally getting away from people for some quiet time. It’s those moments that I can really hear myself loud and clear.Like @Charlie, other people just clutter my mind and I have to distance myself to Konmari my mind, haha. IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees
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posted October 11, 2019 12:24 PM
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Originally posted by MMarie:
What signs or aspects makes one emotionally self reliant or even physically self reliant?
Taurus Moon
Cap Moon
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hypatia238
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posted October 11, 2019 12:40 PM
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Taurus Moon
Cap Moon
Virgo MoonSaturn-Moon aspects
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Librapurr
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posted October 11, 2019 12:42 PM
Sun conjunct Moon in the same sign is supposed to be self-reliant and self-centered. Because the wants (Sun) and the needs (Moon) are aligned. (Some sources state that Unless it's Libra - I got screwed again here( It'd be nice if somebody can clarify why "unless Libra ") IP: Logged |
charlie
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posted October 11, 2019 12:49 PM
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Taurus Moon
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Virgo MoonSaturn-Moon aspects
Can I politely disagree about Virgo Moons?! The ones I’ve met and known have been completely in the sh1t with drama, emotions and hysteria. Of course, they might have something aspecting their moon but I don’t know what. IP: Logged |
cthonicstar
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posted October 11, 2019 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by charlie:
Can I politely disagree about Virgo Moons?! The ones I’ve met and known have been completely in the sh1t with drama, emotions and hysteria. Of course, they might have something aspecting their moon but I don’t know what.
The ones I've met (and speaking for myself too) usually have the drama behind closed doors. If you're seeing it, then that means they really trust you. If they're publicly showing their hysteria, there's something else overpowering the Virgo Moon. Source: I'm a Virgo Moon with the Uranus square. People complain that I am incredibly difficult to read and the one thing I hate the most is being forced to verbalize my emotions before I'm able to process them. I require patience from people and most simply don't have patience. To my loved ones, I'm a total drama queen and that's because I trust them enough to show my vulnerable soul hah. Even some of my closer friends of 10+ years have never seen this side of me just because we don't have that level of intimacy. Hope this helps with the variety of Virgo Moons! IP: Logged |
Hierophantom
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posted October 11, 2019 02:05 PM
I know a lot of people with Virgo moon. And they have one thing in common: they criticize everything and everyone. Two of my friends, when they are together you better hide, they will burn you to ashes.
I always call them Waldorf and Statler, because THAT's the way they act. Really if you have to assign a muppet to any sign, the Virgo would be Waldorf and/or Statler. ------------------
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Nadja
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posted October 11, 2019 03:20 PM
Emotionally I tend to sort out my own issues. I don't feel any need to talk it out with other people. My emotions are so intimate for me that I've yet to find any person that I'd willingly share them with. but I'd like to think that I'm an emotionally well balanced person. I think through things and handle them on my own, and it just works. It's when other people are involved, or make themselves involved, that it gets hard to handle for me. I'm much more sensitive to the feelings of others than I am to my own. Other people's emotions hurt more and confuse me more. I have moon in Virgo 12th. Mutual reception with mercury in Cancer. Square Gemini Sun, trine Neptune, sextile Mars, sextile Mercury, sextile Pluto. IP: Logged |
Moonbeth
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posted October 11, 2019 03:28 PM
Cappy moon square Pluto and Saturn.
The only thing I am not self reliant on/self sufficient about is money.
It annoyingly always comes from others, even if you're your own boss lolIP: Logged |
SoulOfABird
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posted October 11, 2019 03:40 PM
I guess it depends on what is meant by emotionally self reliant? Im going to take it as someone who helps themselves with their problems, deals with their emotions on their own, and doesn't depend on others to make them happy or is not very needy.
I feel like positive aspects to the moon.
Also, maybe some people wouldn't agree but I think an evolved 12th house moon or stellium.
I would like to think of myself as somewhat emotionally self reliant. I have my moon in the 12th house, and the reason why I feel like 12th house moon/people might be this way is because they tend to be very introverted, and hide their emotions and problems from others, so they tend to have to depend on themselves to make themselves happy.
I know for me personally I have so many problems and feelings I keep to myself because Im afraid to open up to people and Ive had to deal with my severe depression practically on my own because I couldn't speak on what was bothering me. If 12th housers want to be happy, we kind of have to learn to fulfill ourselves , and I feel if a 12th house moon has positive aspects to it then it's a bit easier to become emotionally self reliant. Otherwise it can turn to the worst though, because the 12th house moon is still difficult. But if the person is evolved they can emotionally rely on themselves, but this is just a guess.
Im not saying Im completely Emotionally self reliant, that's difficult. But I feel I am somewhat there, or Im somewhat getting there and think it's because I have my moon in the 12th house, without squares or oppositions to it.Also my moon does sextile Saturn and Pluto so maybe those aspects play a part as well. IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted October 11, 2019 03:41 PM
As a therapist I would say that there is something about talking things out with someone that helps you process things in a way that allows you make connections you otherwise would miss on your own. Also shame feeds mental health issues and you get rid of shame not by remaining silent but by talking about that shame in a safe place were you are met with acceptance and compassion, this can be very healing. I can go on and on and talk about attachment issues and how the therapeutic relationship is also beneficial to healing those.There is a place for been self-reliant yes but is not always the smart choice to go that route. Also, is possible to be self reliant and see a therapist, it doesn't mean you are weak. In fact many self reliant therapists seek counseling at some point in their life. Both of my Capricorn coworkers who are licensed therapists and are self reliant have seeing a therapist themselves, one is currently seeing one right now.
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charlie
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posted October 11, 2019 03:44 PM
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Originally posted by cthonicstar:
The ones I've met (and speaking for myself too) usually have the drama behind closed doors. If you're seeing it, then that means they really trust you.If they're publicly showing their hysteria, there's something else overpowering the Virgo Moon. Source: I'm a Virgo Moon with the Uranus square. People complain that I am incredibly difficult to read and the one thing I hate the most is being forced to verbalize my emotions before I'm able to process them. I require patience from people and most simply don't have patience. To my loved ones, I'm a total drama queen and that's because I trust them enough to show my vulnerable soul hah. Even some of my closer friends of 10+ years have never seen this side of me just because we don't have that level of intimacy. Hope this helps with the variety of Virgo Moons!
I understand  Unfortunately (I’m grateful they trusted me if that’s the case) my Cap Moon have a really hard time dealing with that stuff! It makes me claustrophobic, kinda, and it’s hard for me to think clearly. I’ll also be a bad friend in those situations because I’ll reciprocate the “dramatic emotional hysteria” with stern logic , which might not be what’s needed.. IP: Logged |
Moonbeth
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posted October 11, 2019 04:04 PM
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
As a therapist I would say that there is something about talking things out with someone that helps you process things in a way that allows you make connections you otherwise would miss on your own. Also shame feeds mental health issues and you get rid of shame not by remaining silent but by talking about that shame in a safe place were you are met with acceptance and compassion, this can be very healing. I can go on and on and talk about attachment issues and how the therapeutic relationship is also beneficial to healing those.There is a place for been self-reliant yes but is not always the smart choice to go that route. Also, is possible to be self reliant and see a therapist, it doesn't mean you are weak. In fact many self reliant therapists seek counseling at some point in their life. Both of my Capricorn coworkers who are licensed therapists and are self reliant have seeing a therapist themselves, one is currently seeing one right now.
Awesome as ever, love  Very good point to bring up, I feel self-reliance is over-hyped, it's not a good (or bad) thing, it's just a trait, good or bad will depend on the situation and lighting lol
As for therapists, exactly. That sort of therapy is a tool, a self-reliant person knows what tools are available and when to use them best 
Careful with words though, some shame-bearing thoughts end up deflated after being spoken in a safe room, others just get stronger once given the flesh of words (whether spoken to someone else or you own self)... it's a balance and a decision to be weighed before you speak, but whichever therapy is chosen, bottling up never is healthy
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charlie
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posted October 11, 2019 04:16 PM
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Originally posted by cthonicstar:
The ones I've met (and speaking for myself too) usually have the drama behind closed doors. If you're seeing it, then that means they really trust you.If they're publicly showing their hysteria, there's something else overpowering the Virgo Moon. Source: I'm a Virgo Moon with the Uranus square. People complain that I am incredibly difficult to read and the one thing I hate the most is being forced to verbalize my emotions before I'm able to process them. I require patience from people and most simply don't have patience. To my loved ones, I'm a total drama queen and that's because I trust them enough to show my vulnerable soul hah. Even some of my closer friends of 10+ years have never seen this side of me just because we don't have that level of intimacy. Hope this helps with the variety of Virgo Moons!
I understand Unfortunately (I’m grateful they trusted me if that’s the case) my Cap Moon have a really hard time dealing with that stuff! It makes me claustrophobic, kinda, and it’s hard for me to think clearly. I’ll also be a bad friend in those situations because I’ll reciprocate the “dramatic emotional hysteria” with stern logic , which might not be what’s needed.. IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees
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posted October 11, 2019 04:56 PM
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Originally posted by charlie:
Can I politely disagree about Virgo Moons?! The ones I’ve met and known have been completely in the sh1t with drama, emotions and hysteria. Of course, they might have something aspecting their moon but I don’t know what.
Ofcourse you are welcome to. Love how you worded that initial sentence.So diplomatic  I only mentioned Virgo because the ones I know read a lot of "How to..." and self help books etc. They are also very emotionally independent i.e they don't believe in asking for someone else to sort out what is happening inside of them. My Ex Gem/ Virg used to get upset in private. Once I caught him crying and he brushed it off as something else. But i knew that he was drawing a boundary for me not to interfere emotionally It was like he was saying "let me pick myself up".And I respected the boundary.It didn't offend me because he didn't want to rely on me for that. IP: Logged |
cthonicstar
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posted October 11, 2019 05:36 PM
I'm loving all the defending for Virgo Moons. <3Yes, it is more of "let me process myself first so I know what I'm dealing with here" than anything else. Virgo Moons also hate depending on other people because we're supposed to be the nurturers, not the nurtured. That is why I say there's something else going on if the Virgo Moon is being immature, or they are just that: immature and unevolved. @Hypatia, that is wonderful to hear. Yes, there comes a point in everyone's lives that somethings just NEED to be talked out.
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hypatia238
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posted October 11, 2019 07:42 PM
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Originally posted by cthonicstar:
I'm loving all the defending for Virgo Moons. <3Yes, it is more of "let me process myself first so I know what I'm dealing with here" than anything else. Virgo Moons also hate depending on other people because we're supposed to be the nurturers, not the nurtured. That is why I say there's something else going on if the Virgo Moon is being immature, or they are just that: immature and unevolved. @Hypatia, that is wonderful to hear. Yes, there comes a point in everyone's lives that somethings just NEED to be talked out.
Virgo moons rock! My dad is one and he is chill and cool and super resilient and you are right he takes care of others, you get moon in virgo. He is a therapist too. IP: Logged |
MMarie
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posted October 11, 2019 08:27 PM
I love that a whole conversation started in this thread. Librapurr stated moon conjunct sun is self reliant and I have this aspect. I can see where I don’t like to ask for help in some instances but not sure if it is because of this. I agree with Hypatia238 that it is not always healthy to be self reliant and is good to talk to someone. As far as Virgo moons I don’t think I know any. It is funny that some say they can be dramatic which is more a known quality of Leo moon. Wonder if that’s a shared thing between these neighboring signs? Can also see moon in 12th being self reliant because I believe having 12th house placements make you feel alone or you are in your own world so you can tend to turn inward. At least this is how I feel about my 12th house placements. IP: Logged |
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