posted January 18, 2020 04:05 PM            

That's why I brought up the archetype of Pluto (the myth) and other asteroids primarily being associated with their effects.

If a dwarf planet can provide influence as part of an archetype, then all asteroids can do the same and a believer in Pluto and the Plutonian effect should agree with other asteroid effects.

posted January 18, 2020 04:10 PM            

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Originally posted by sis:
@secret geek.... obviously, you have very little observation on astrology...

If I were you, I would not mess with Pluto.

Plus.

https://www.space.com/pluto-still-a-planet-nasa-chief-says.html

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posted January 18, 2020 04:14 PM            

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Originally posted by sis:
@secret geek.... obviously, you have very little observation on astrology...

If I were you, I would not mess with Pluto.

Plus.

https://www.space.com/pluto-still-a-planet-nasa-chief-says.html

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@secret geek Wait till transit Pluto will square your personal planet, and you’ll see how small and Non-influential it is.
Don’t mess with Pluto! 👽

posted January 18, 2020 04:27 PM            

The energy is very subtle, if at all.

But I think consciousness can expand the influence dramatically just like asteroid influence.

posted January 18, 2020 11:59 PM            

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Or could it be I'm "messing" with the lack of belief in the influence of asteroids?

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Then say that lol, why bring up lord of death into it, lord(along with his life-long fans who will wag their tails for him if Lord Pluto comes in human form, I mean if lord of light can come in Christ's form, can't Pluto come too?) doth not lyke!

posted January 19, 2020 12:00 AM            

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I think transits are overrated too, with a few exceptions, like a Saturn return, etc.

The energy is very subtle, if at all.

But I think consciousness can expand the influence dramatically just like asteroid influence.

If that is true, then the opposite can probably happen to nullify any transit or asteroid influence based upon archetypes.

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posted January 19, 2020 12:11 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Then say that lol, why bring up lord of death into it, lord(along with his life-long fans who will wag their tails for him if Lord Pluto comes in human form, I mean if lord of light can come in Christ's form, can't Pluto come too?) doth not lyke!

Its not a matter of belief, but I definitely don't believe that asteroid beautiful sitting on your Venus will make you beautiful, I don't even know where to begin with that concept...

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The following quote was in the opening post:

"Makes me think some don't know how asteroids influence us, so it could be good for a smile."

posted January 19, 2020 12:14 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Yeah consciousness can, but consciousness is not belief.

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posted January 19, 2020 12:17 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
^ Yeah I kinda understood, but it also flew over my head lets say, maybe coz Pluto is revered and those stupid asteroids aren't

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That's kind of my point. Pluto is way overrated and asteroids with the exception of Pluto are way underrated.

posted January 19, 2020 12:20 AM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
That's kind of my point. Pluto is way overrated and asteroids with the exception of Pluto are way underrated.

I think it could be some type of mental block of those that don't believe in asteroids but believe in Pluto.

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posted January 19, 2020 12:25 AM            

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I think part of it is, there are so many, and how many are you going to consider? But then again astrology is a very vast subject, not like one can read your chart for three days and give you an intepretation on the fourth.

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It's becoming computerized. It won't be long. Another 50 years or so.

Both our DNA and the objects in our solar system are finite.

They might have some type of frequency pairing.

So the pairings that resonate in our conscious mind the most based upon archetypes could stand out for further research.

posted January 19, 2020 12:31 AM            

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^ Lmao, I love the second one...very useful

I wouldn't say overrated(you offend the pluto fan inside me smh, apologise!!!), I mean if the effect is there, the effect is god damn there, but that being said it can also be said that some of the effects might actually have come from asteroids around it, in the Plutonian belt or whatever.

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I'm a Pluto fan too. It was just low hanging fruit.

posted January 19, 2020 12:33 AM            

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^ Yeah I tried that name shjt ages ago, turns out there is no asteroid with my name, I had a girlfriend at the time, and turns out she doesn't have any too, I must date a chick whose assteroid conjuncts my Priapus asteroid now.

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LOL

posted January 19, 2020 09:56 AM            

As to Pluto and other asteroids, it's less about size and more about relative positioning and relationships to and between the other, obvious Planets. Pluto "fits into" such a larger context and system, as for example it's not a captured satellite of other larger Planets etc.

Before Pluto was officially discovered, Cayce's guidance would sometimes reference to it either as Vulcan or Septimus (which is Latin for 7th, which is interesting, because if you count Earth, and count out towards Pluto, Pluto is the 7th planetary body out). After Pluto was officially discovered, someone asked his source what the principle Planets and their meanings in our system were, this was the answer: Mercury as the mind, Venus as love, Earth as material incarnation/combinations of these various different levels, Mars as madness (not insanity but wrath/anger), Jupiter as strength/universal consciousness, Saturn as death, Uranus as psychic, Neptune as mystic, and Pluto as of consciousness. Said that the Soul known as Yeshua ("Jesus"), mastered each of these different levels of consciousness and balanced them all within himself.

Take Mercury for example, way smaller than all the other planets, besides the Moon and Pluto, that we use.

Yet Mercury has always been super important. Part of it's importance symbolism wise, is that it's near the Sun, and yet closer to the Earth than the Sun, so it in a sense it represents a messenger between the Sun and Earth.

In the Universal, archetypal system the Sun represents Spirit, the Creative Life Force (i.e. material reflection of the Creator), the Core/the Heart of the system-the Source origin of this little system.

Within a person it can represent one's own Expanded/Spirit self. Mercury then is the conscious mind which goes between the material self (Moon--etheric level/body and Earth--dense, most physical) and the Sun aka Spirit.

It is by and through Mercury, the mind, conscious focus, and perception, that we either grow to the Heavens or sink into greater base materiality.

Quite an important symbol

You seem to take astrology too literally and physically, when it's completely a symbolic, relative-relational system.

As far as asteroids go, they can figure into the whole synchronicity thing as well, but often more as sub notes.

If we imagine that the main Planets are very connected to the main, 7 endocrine glands/spiritual centers/Chakras and the electrical Kundalini force in the body (i.e. Pluto), well the asteroids are not so central as these symbols, but represent more minor and specialized archetypes.

Another thing is that the main planets represent major nonphysical dimensions that the Soul experiences when it's not directly connected to Earth/a human body. There are 7 major dimensions of our system, but each of these main dimensions has 7 sub levels within them. It's possible that some of the asteroids correlate to some of these sub dimensions within the major dimension?

Either way, they are not on par with the Planets.

To be very honest, frank and direct as only a strongly Jupitarian with a combo of strong Fire, Capricorn, and moderate Virgo can be, most astrology students would do well to focus on the main set of symbols and master these before getting distracted by all the various different asteroids and/or more theoretical points and systems out there.

I've been in the astrology scene for awhile, and been on a number of forums, and the degree of distraction with and over idealization of every shiny, newer symbol or concept that comes along is rampant, but a real and holistically balanced solid base of basic astrological understanding and application tends to be sorely lacking.

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posted January 19, 2020 04:09 PM            

"You do realize that astrology is not about direct cause and effect right? A pointed question I often ask astrology interested folks is, "do you really believe that large balls of rock and gas actually directly cause events in your life or others?" Most people if they really sit down and think about it, realize pretty quickly how illogical and superstitious such a belief/perception that is. What astrology does do, is act as cosmic clock and map and is a great example of Jung's synchronicity concept. Which means, it's not a cause, but a correlation. (This is such an important distinction and core concept, yet time and time again I hear people referring to it as if it's a direct cause)."

I don't think I agree with Jung's synchronicity concept in this matter, unless the correlation would be our personal DNA and an asteroid's mass for example, although I haven't invested much time studying it in this context.

If one atom can blow-up Hiroshima, I'm sure an asteroid can provide plenty of energy to communicate with DNA.

Primarily, I believe our DNA is somehow wired to the frequency (aspects) associated with magnitude (mass) when oxygen comes in contact with DNA after our mother's water is broken. An alternative would be when we were actually conceived regardless of oxygen.

Secondly, for at least asteroids, I believe consciousness is a component of influence, which could also be associated with DNA. So in that case, an asteroid's influence could be independent of mass or torque, for example. I also sense there is another component.

posted January 19, 2020 04:31 PM            

I agree except I think asteroids including Pluto are more about consciousness relative to mass whereas the planets could be more about mass relative to consciousness.

Pluto could definitely be treated like other asteroids using as an orb of 1-2 degrees.

Also, if someone believes in Pluto's influence, they should also believe in other asteroid's influence.

posted January 19, 2020 04:46 PM            

I don't think Pluto is the seventh planetary body out Cayce was referring to. We likely have yet to find the other planet, unless you count Ceres for example that was discovered in 1801 since both Ceres and Pluto are classified as dwarf planets.

posted January 19, 2020 04:54 PM            

Yet Mercury has always been super important. Part of it's importance symbolism wise, is that it's near the Sun, and yet closer to the Earth than the Sun, so it in a sense it represents a messenger between the Sun and Earth."

That's why Mercury should have a smaller orb relative to the Sun and Moon and larger than asteroids like Pluto, especially taking into consideration the distances involved from Earth, such as Pluto.

posted January 19, 2020 05:45 PM            

I don't go by that system.

I believe we have a newly created soul and potentially recyclable human spirit bound at conception at a place called the spiritual heart.

The soul is persistent, meaning it exists after death of the flesh (body).

The human spirit is temporal relative to our soul and therefore temporarily assigned at conception.

When we become deceased, the temporarily assigned human spirit returns to the Source from which it came.

As it applies to astrology, our entire chart represents the soul (and flesh).

I'm not sure how to apply the temporal human spirit in a chart or if I should try because it has nothing to do with identification like a soul does.

Therefore, the Sun absolutely doesn't represent the human spirit.

The human spirit only represents life in the flesh and carries a conscience, communion channel, and a wisdom channel.