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Topic: Pluto through the Houses: Journaling your experience/Journey with Pluto
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hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 12863 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted January 27, 2020 11:04 PM
I have Aesculapia (resurrection, revival, miraculous come back) square my exes Venus forming a tsquare with my Pholus/Bless/Serendip stellium and he was someone that I never truly got over all the way, like I could not think of him in a long time and somehow my feelings for him would always resurrect out of nowhere to some extent in spite of not seeing him and been far away and this was the case for over a decade, sometimes this revival would happen in the dream world through astral travel experiences with him. We had a very powerful pluto stellium in the 12H coincidentally in our composite that included Aesculapia that falls on his natal Venus which I feel helps explain how hard it was for both of us to let go fully of each other with this revival/resurrection theme happening in a very 12H way (psychic connection, astral experiences):Composite Aesculapia in Libra at 21d28 Valentine in Libra at 23d16 Pluto in Libra at 25d36 Mars in Libra at 25d36 Sun in Libra at 26d37 All this Trine: Composite Athanasia in Aquarius at 22d44 (Tr Uranus hit this exact day we met). Athanasia is the Greek word for "immortality". According to the website http://markandrewholmes.com/athanasia.html , the astrological significance of Athanasia seems to mean "that which lasts forever or which nobody can take away from you". His Venus in Libra at 21d41 I always felt that I was his and he was mine and on a soul level we would always be connected and belong to one another and that nobody can change that or truly take him from me or him from me. That was something that I always felt at a gut level, that our bond was truly unbreakable and something that would live on forever across time and space. His Moon in pisces conjuncts Athanasia and conjuncts my Moon in Pisces too. However, I NO longer have feelings for him, something has shifted permanently I feel this past year and I wonder if is because TR PLUTO is squaring our Composite Libra Stellium while it semisextiles Athanasia, my feelings for him are dead, its like that square from Pluto to the 12H stellium woke me up from this spell or slumber lol and now I am 100% sober, no longer trapped in this 12H of ours with him, free from it. Add pluto on my 2H cusp is super grounding. We met while Pluto was transiting my 12H allowing to me to surrender and fall in love completely all the way like I never again have been able to in my life. Yes I did experience true unconditional love at a soul level and the whole falling in love truly all the way thing BUT Neptune/12H stuff definitely has a shadow side!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL like I feel conflicted about venus been exalted in pisces bc is this love as real as it feels based on something real or on a fantasy! Now Venus in Taurus makes sense to me, that is love based on reality, not a fantasy. Again really digging pluto in the 2H, very grounding. IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 12863 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted February 01, 2020 04:15 PM
Another observation I have made with Pluto conjuncting my 2H cusp is that it has coincided with a lot of things breaking down, repair work (e.g. replacement of the humidifier motor, repairing fan of the woodstove, working on renovating our fireplace, pending underground leak plumping work) and buying a lot of new things (e.g two new cars, lap top, washer/dryer).I have also become fascinated with gemstones and collect them now and have gotten a lot of new gemstones during this transit. IP: Logged |
GalacticCoreExplosion Knowflake Posts: 1044 From: Somewhere Registered: Sep 2019
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posted February 03, 2020 12:09 PM
My Mom got sick with cancer when Pluto was going through my 4th House and when we found out, was retrograding back to conjoin Scorpio Uranus (ruler of Venus and Desc Signs, and connected to the Moon since Venus rules the Moon Sign Libra, and Saturn is conjunct the Moon--i.e. double connection to Aquarius). Her body later died when Sag Pluto was starting to get near the 5th House cusp, but more importantly, it was squaring Mars within a couple degrees and Mars is the traditional, faster moving ruler of the IC/Nadir (Scorp). (Saturn was also conjunct the MC/opposed the IC at this time). My Mom had late Scorpio Rising. So Pluto was conjoining her ASC and going through her 1st during this time of when she had developed/found out she had 3rd stage ovarian and cervical cancer, as well as a large tumor growing inside of her, initially. She somehow, mildly miraculously pulled through after surgery and chemo, and lived a fairly healthy couple to few years, before the cancer came back and quickly metastasized in her body, strongly affecting her liver. She did not live long after that. For self, this took place from the age of 16 to 20 (there were other challenges going on for self during this time--was under tremendous amounts of stress, which led to my own body imbalances and dis-ease). She died in mid March, when the Sun was in my 8th and opposed my Saturn. (in Natal conjoined with my Moon, and co ruler of Venus which as mentioned is connected to Libra Moon). It's odd to note how the body often holds onto such things as grief/loss/seeming separation far longer than does the mind and heart. About 10 years after, when I thought that I was completely over all this, I had an extremely intense dream where it was going over all this again, and in the dream I started weeping uncontrollably and woke up with tears pouring from my eyes. The body, a being unto itself to some extent, was still holding onto this all those years until this more full, cathartic release. Also interesting about the timing of this is that as mentioned, Pluto was starting to phase into the 5th House. Since Mars is conjunct my Jupiter, which is the ruler of the 5th, and co-ruler of the 8th, it's interesting to note that my girlfriend at the time, broke up with me within a couple to few weeks after my mom's death. (5th House/Jupiter + Pluto + square). However, that was a wise choice on her part as the relationship was largely based on co-dependent type dynamics. My Mom's passing acted as a powerful catalyst to my spiritual path in some ways. I was already deep into spirituality and metaphysics and had been for a number of years, but more in an intellectual sense, rather than a livingness sense. Almost exactly a year after her death, I had a complete breakdown, which resulted in me in almost leaving this dimension (another minor miracle that I didn't). During my drug induced daze while being rushed to the hospital, I signed self into a mental institution for a watch. When in same, I had a profound spiritual Epiphany about self, about life, and the key to happiness. Summed up in, less and less focus on the little self, and more and more focus on others/the larger, connected Self (i.e. the Oneness of the Whole). This is when I pledged self to the positive service of others, and my life, depression, etc started to radically transform from that point on, age 21. A little under a half of year later, after consciously/purposely staying away from relationships to work on self, I met my Twin Soul. As I lived those principles more and more, I became more and more at peace, and more and more happy in a stable, consistent sense. Pluto had symbolically broken me completely down and rebuilt me back up from the base. In my chart, Pluto--modern ruler of my IC/Nadir is square the Sun, ruler of the chart with about 3 degrees separation applying. Pluto is trine Venus (ruler of the Moon Sign) within seconds. These events, I think, were preplanned, and for my and my family's collective spiritual growth process. My Mom playing the role of the sacrificial goat (she was born under Capricorn Sun--we shared the same b-day). It is my understanding that my Mom at the time, felt that she was also balancing some difficult karma. As to what exactly, she didn't seem to know specifically. My Godmother use to tell my Mom that they were in a concentration camp back in Nazi Germany, but my mom never really got that sense or perhaps didn't want to face it, so she was like, nah, I don't think so. However, during one of her hospital stays, she apparently woke up screaming in German. She was made aware of this, only because a nurse that was nearby that heard the screaming (and that had German background), and that came in and asked her, "You were yelling in German during your sleep, you speak German?" My Mom said no, I don't know any German beyond the super common few words for like thanks. Also interesting was that during her chemo sessions, she became friends with an older (Russian born) Jewish lady that was also sick. Based on my own experience with Pluto, and with hearing similar intense accounts from others in relation to same, I find it funny when folks throw Pluto in with all the other asteroids. In this case, size does not seem to matter. Hypotheses should be modeled after the data/observation, not the data/observation to fit a preconceived, intellectually based hypothesis. Please do not quote IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 12863 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted February 03, 2020 09:07 PM
GalacticCoreExplosion thank you for sharing your pluto journey so far. I can relate even though my story is totally different but this theme of breaking you down to rebuild you back up is indeed my experience too. I agree with your thoughts on Pluto holding its own ground, Pluto may be smaller but it sure as hell is powerful. IP: Logged |
GalacticCoreExplosion Knowflake Posts: 1044 From: Somewhere Registered: Sep 2019
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posted February 03, 2020 09:18 PM
Thank you for sharing yours as well Hypatia. It take some courage to share/be this open with such heavy and intense subjects, which I know.IP: Logged |
GalacticCoreExplosion Knowflake Posts: 1044 From: Somewhere Registered: Sep 2019
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posted February 03, 2020 09:43 PM
Yeah, ultimately the size of the body or planet doesn't really matter since it's not at all about 'physical effects' but rather that planet is symbolizing life paths/patterns and archetypes that our Expanded/Spirit self level chooses for us to go through. Saturn and Pluto then, representing some of the most deep and intense testing cycles and patterns. IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 12863 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted February 03, 2020 10:12 PM
quote: Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion: Yeah, ultimately the size of the body or planet doesn't really matter since it's not at all about 'physical effects' but rather that planet is symbolizing life paths/patterns and archetypes that our Expanded/Spirit self level chooses for us to go through. Saturn and Pluto then, representing some of the most deep and intense testing cycles and patterns.
Its interesting that Pluto was discovered in 1930, is like Pluto came along and said: "Okay enough Fuc*ing around, this is going to get real now, prepare for some actual growth people, done letting you guys try to connect the dots and you all just keep going around in circles stuck in your negative cycles, pluto here will force you to confront your fears, your shadow side and destroy your negative cycle, slowly helping you pave the way for a new you, a new world, its time you all got your s*it together." hahahaha IDK just F*cking around...but what are your thoughts on Pluto been discovered not that long ago and what that says about were we are as a collective.. IP: Logged |
GalacticCoreExplosion Knowflake Posts: 1044 From: Somewhere Registered: Sep 2019
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posted February 03, 2020 11:53 PM
I largely agree. I kind of see Pluto as both a more internal oriented, as well as a more collective, version of Saturn in some ways. The testing change of Pluto is like a volcano building pressure until it finally erupts, whereas with Saturn, it's often sudden, major, out of the blue events of a testing nature. Cayce's guidance called Pluto that of "consciousness". That's a very general term, and hard to figure out what they meant. But, I think at it's core it means "conscious self awareness". Pluto is that symbol of our Expanded self trying to nudge to outright force conscious self awareness (particularly in relation to our own and/or the collective shadow) through pressure, through testing, challenge, and ultimately ego breakdown if we need that to get to the next level. And yes, it does innately have a more collective feel to it. I think my particular Plutonian aspects and patterns, indicates that I plumb the collective shadow to be sort of a "collective consciousness shadow whistle blower", which is why Pluto is so closely trine Venus, the ruler of my MC (career, how we serve the larger society, public standing) from the 3rd House of everyday communication and intellectual perception and in the Sign of Libra that of dealing with justice, law, balance, relationships. That Pluto is trine the ruler of the Sign it's placed in, indicates a particularly strong connection between these areas and symbols, and with the trine, the awareness flows powerfully and naturally. Since Venus also rules the Moon Sign, it relates to the collective unconscious and to the public also. Interestingly, the MC, Moon, and 7th Houses most relate to the public at large, and Pluto is connected to all of these symbols either directly or indirectly. I mean, when I started to consciously become aware of just how controlled our world is, and by such psychopathic type humans, I had a very intense dream of seeing this giant black spider that everyone was either consciously or unconsciously afraid of. In a sense, it had it's web around the world. Then I saw a large golden lion who I could read it's heart and mind, and it also had some fear of the giant spider, but figured someone had to do something about it, and it decided to do that. So it prepared itself for battle, engaged the spider in direct battle, and the last scene I remember is the large paw of the lion swiping down at the spider. The dream was a guidance one confirming the gestalt perception that this world is controlled at the highest levels by psychopaths, or what Cayce's guidance referred to as the "sons of Belial". It takes a lot of facing of one's own shadow, and a lot of overcoming of fear, to see things as they really are, and not as we would like them to be. I was previously a more trusting and somewhat naive type person. I did not come to these perceptions lightly nor quickly. Pluto, can represent both the psychopathic plutocrat types bent on world domination, but can also symbolize/correlate to the whistle blower type that probes into their dark actions and psyche. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 123333 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 07, 2020 12:43 PM
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Stawr Moderator Posts: 4322 From: N. America Registered: Nov 2010
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posted February 09, 2020 06:58 PM
quote: Originally posted by hypatia238: "sometimes I take comfort in that" lolI actually would like to experience it falling in every house but I get that right now you are angry and tired and done, I guess I am too curious. I feel that it makes each house stronger in the end after it progresses through it and helps you master each house more, specially if you are an adult bc you have the ability to gain insight during its progression through each house. I feel with transit pluto in the 11h I was too young to gain insight from it so it was just painful. Tr Pluto went through my 11th house basically from 1st grade through 8th grade for me so essentially my childhood and preteen years. It entered the 12th right before I started 9th grade, high school was a lot better for me socially, tr Pluto through the 11th did not make my life easy in a social level, I just did not fit it in school and felt isolated and disconnected, couldn't find my niche in any school, didn't feel comfortable in any of the 3 schools I went to during this time. The entire time it progressed through my 11H I did not fit in and during this transit I had a number of dreams that felt like past life dreams with this theme of been in exile or an outcast from my community (e.g. I can identify 3 dreams that expressed this theme). However, I did have a great childhood in spite of this bc of my family life and my friends from my neighborhood. I developed some pretty strong intense bonds with my neighbors who were like family to me, specially with my next door neighbor, we had this beautiful intense bond and it made a huge difference for me, he was home and I loved him with all my heart like a friend and brother, I considered him my best friend from childhood. He was definitely an important soulmate and was the manifestation of the positive side of this Pluto through the 11H transit. This been said if your Pluto through the 9H is the equivalent of my Pluto through the 11H I feel you girl. I will explore this transit of yours more in the next response. Pluto through the 12H taught me about endings and heartbreak and learning to let go of the past and unconditional love that transcends time and space. It taught about letting go and ending things with grace and actually a lot of the lessons I was suppose to learn through this transit were fully integrated while Pluto transited my 1H. I feel if you were not able to integrate the Pluto lessons of the last house it was in you will continue to have to work on those lessons in the next house, that has been my experience. In fact the lessons of the last house usually tie in some how to the lessons of the next house it falls in, one builds from the other.
Yeah going through Pluto in the 11th in adolescence sounds brutal! I imagine it felt like Saturn oppose Venus transit but longer. I'm glad there was some beauty in it with the people from your neighborhood. I think I'll have Pluto in my 11th in my 50's. After my 10th house transit of climbing that status latter, I'll be ready to play or be apart of something that is bigger than myself, with out money motivation. And finding people I fit in with. IP: Logged |
Stawr Moderator Posts: 4322 From: N. America Registered: Nov 2010
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posted February 09, 2020 07:10 PM
quote: Originally posted by hypatia238: I think your boss reminds you of your mother, Saturn rules your moon after all and you have Saturn along with your moon too in your 9H, or does your moon fall in another house?. So your boss is triggering past childhood stuff connected to your mother and you may be reacting to her more intensely because of this, just a thought to explore. Nobody likes to be micro managed though but she triggers you more bc she reminds you of your mother. Your Boss I feel is suppose to learn too about leadership and learning to mentor and let go instead of micro-managing. I bet your boss is struggling with her own plutonic side (e.g. anxiety, compulsion, obsession, control issues, perfectionism) and has a hard time not being controlling, even if she perhaps would like to step back more. Ultimately this ties to your dynamics with your mother, you carry this energy from back then of the dynamics with her and without realizing it or wanting any of it end up recreating similar dynamics in your current life bc that energy is still following you around and hasn't been healed and transmuted. I love your response it really gives us a glimpse of your saturn in the 9th journey and how is tying in to transit pluto in your 9th house shaking all that up. I am so proud of you for going back to school in spite of the negative experiences you have had and not wanting to do it, that takes a lot of courage and wisdom.
My natal moon does not make aspects to my Saturn. Yes thank you! Yeah I get treated like I am the teacher that needs to be baby sat and helicopter parented. My boss is clueless to why I don't appreciate it. I think she is frustrated that I don't appreciate it too. I can only imagine what she is like with her sons. IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 12863 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted February 09, 2020 09:11 PM
quote: Originally posted by Stawr: Yeah going through Pluto in the 11th in adolescence sounds brutal! I imagine it felt like Saturn oppose Venus transit but longer. I'm glad there was some beauty in it with the people from your neighborhood. I think I'll have Pluto in my 11th in my 50's. After my 10th house transit of climbing that status latter, I'll be ready to play or be apart of something that is bigger than myself, with out money motivation. And finding people I fit in with.
Well in my teenage years Pluto was in my 12H and that is when I got into astrology and high school was not bad for me and I met my ex during this transit which felt like an out of this world connection and experience what we had... Pluto in the 11H was childhood and middle school and yes it sucked, I felt isolated, like an outcast and like I did not belong but I developed some pretty incredibly strong bonds with my neighbors specially with one that till this day I remember him as someone I loved deeply and a crucial positive attachment figure in my childhood. I feel that Tr Pluto happening in your 50s could play out differently than my experience but I do fear that there will be a theme of isolation unfortunately perhaps bc of closed friends passing away since the 11H rules friendship and Pluto rules death, add you will be in your 50s and pluto transits through a house are long often lasting over a decade...then with transit pluto in the 12h that sounds like a great transit for passing away into to the next phase of your life, I feel you may have quite a spiritual experience at the end of your life I predict. IP: Logged |
Stawr Moderator Posts: 4322 From: N. America Registered: Nov 2010
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posted February 09, 2020 09:36 PM
quote: Originally posted by hypatia238: Well in my teenage years Pluto was in my 12H and that is when I got into astrology and high school was not bad for me and I met my ex during this transit which felt like an out of this world connection and experience what we had...Pluto in the 11H was childhood and middle school and yes it sucked, I felt isolated, like an outcast and like I did not belong but I developed some pretty incredibly strong bonds with my neighbors specially with one that till this day I remember him as someone I loved deeply and a crucial positive attachment figure in my childhood. I feel that Tr Pluto happening in your 50s could play out differently than my experience but I do fear that there will be a theme of isolation unfortunately perhaps bc of closed friends passing away since the 11H rules friendship and Pluto rules death, add you will be in your 50s and pluto transits through a house are long often lasting over a decade...then with transit pluto in the 12h that sounds like a great transit for passing away into to the next phase of your life, I feel you may have quite a spiritual experience at the end of your life I predict.
That is so true there are so many ways a transit could play out for someone. I am assuming I will start to crave more social fulfillment, and being part of something bigger than myself. I did not even think about friends dying off but it makes sense. Finding new ways to socialize as a senior citizen too. Maybe I'll want to join social clubs like the red hat ladies. haha 12th house is just woah! haha IP: Logged |
Stawr Moderator Posts: 4322 From: N. America Registered: Nov 2010
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posted February 09, 2020 09:59 PM
I was born with Pluto in my 6th house nothing really pops out to me from my infancy to early childhood. My childhood was pretty good . American kid, decent health. Pluto in my 7th house I was a little kid to teenager. I had some puppy love boyfriends. I had crushes on boys. As a got older I tried to not think about boys too much. But then I realized I did want boyfriend love. Pluto in the 8th I became sexually active. And continued to work on my sexual abuse trauma, and talk about it with shrinks and counselors. My interest in astrology intensified. I dabbled in feng shui. I experienced crushes, hook ups, affairs, serious relationships. Pluto in the 9th. My boyfriend is my travel companion. We have been to music festivals, camping, lake houses, visit his relatives, we had our first bed and breakfast vacation in the summer. I went to a SW state I've never been to before. I got to swim in the Gulf of Mexico for the first time. I feel like we are really building momentum with traveling. Doing the grind of condensed college classes, and I actually have been doing pretty good. Of course certain classes can really try ya if other stuff is going on in life. I had my Grandma pass when I took two classes last year. But I still pulled though in my classes. Sometimes my boss will tell me she wants something by tomorrow with zero regards to my college work. This class I feel off my A game, I just got so run down and sick and had to take a few days off of my coursework. I picked my miserable self up and turned in so much homework on Friday. I feel like always being in condensed college classes is holding me back, I feel so stuck right now. Which is only motivating me to obsess over being done with school, and no more taking weekends off from my course work. That's all for now. IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 12863 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted February 10, 2020 11:49 PM
quote: Originally posted by Stawr: That is so true there are so many ways a transit could play out for someone. I am assuming I will start to crave more social fulfillment, and being part of something bigger than myself. I did not even think about friends dying off but it makes sense. Finding new ways to socialize as a senior citizen too. Maybe I'll want to join social clubs like the red hat ladies. haha12th house is just woah! haha
hahaha I like your hunch more on how its going to play out for you! I am rolling with that version I am excited for you already. IP: Logged |
Plut0nian2 Knowflake Posts: 1047 From: Registered: Apr 2014
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posted February 12, 2020 07:14 PM
T. Pluto conjucting my DSC (and natal Uranus) My dad died, my best friend died, actually I lost in one way or another all the people I loved the most in my life in a year and a half or so. Some other more internal stuff happened. When T. Pluto conjuncted natal Neptune (on my DSC) I realised I was helping people too much in different ways. People who I didn't even cared for, people who would contact me only when they needed smth (I still don't mind that, I actually like it because it's sincere compared to pretending you care). I don't have the hero/savior complex, it doesn't make me feel good except if I "save" someone I care for, from a dangerous situation which will make me worry like crazy so then I feel relieved and happy that the person I care for is safe. At that point I realised that I was going out of my way to help unimportant to me others, I was wasting time and energy if not some money too for them.. I didn't care, I didn't even think about of getting anything in return but I realised that it was time wasting and the worst part for me especially when it comes to others' problems is that it affects me a lot, it's like I am the one having that problem, I mean I really feel like I'm in their shoes and that is negative energy locked inside me, I don't need anymore of that. So I cut off some people and I've been trying to help a lot less. At some point I got so angry with myself, I was going through much stuff and a specific person knew about it but she never thought anything like "Let's not nag for the rest of the month for that silly problem of mine that I know it will be solved anyway but I'm too f$cking spoiled by Plut0nian and I want her to mentally and emotionally understand me and reassure me as always, I will just leave her alone" No.. I'm sure the thought didn't even cross her mind. I got so damn angry, imagine Pluto in full rage mode. When T. Pluto conjuncted my natal North Nide again jn the 7th H (close to my DSC) it was really disappointing.. I was looking forward to this aspect as well as T. Saturn on my North Node.. The most disappointing transits for me.. Nothing happened.. I expected some kind of understanding at least when it comes to my North Node. T. Pluto in my 6th H didn't seem to have great significance but I'm sure it played a big role on my physical stamina, I had lots and lots of it. I would dance for like 8 hours if not more everyday and whet T.Pluto got close to my DSC my health problems started. Same happened a few months ago that T Saturn conjuncted my DSC. A really bad transit if you ask me.. IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 12863 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted February 13, 2020 12:14 PM
quote: Originally posted by Plut0nian2: T. Pluto conjucting my DSC (and natal Uranus) My dad died, my best friend died, actually I lost in one way or another all the people I loved the most in my life in a year and a half or so.
Dam*, that really sucks, I am sorry. I wonder if these wonderful loved ones were holding you back from you been on your path that you are meant to be on. Like when I lost everything financially it forced me to go back to school and finish my masters in psychology and now I am a counselor which is what I have wanted to be since I was a teenager, this was my calling but somewhere along the way I got distracted and had to lose it all to get back on my path. IP: Logged |
Plut0nian2 Knowflake Posts: 1047 From: Registered: Apr 2014
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posted February 13, 2020 04:22 PM
quote: Originally posted by hypatia238: Dam*, that really sucks, I am sorry. I wonder if these wonderful loved ones were holding you back from you been on your path that you are meant to be on. Like when I lost everything financially it forced me to go back to school and finish my masters in psychology and now I am a counselor which is what I have wanted to be since I was a teenager, this was my calling but somewhere along the way I got distracted and had to lose it all to get back on my path.
Thanks, I get what you're saying. I'm overanalyzing and overthinkng every situation trying to understand the purpose behind it, what lesson it's trying to teach me, if any. I have found none for these deaths (both the literal and not literal ones). Those people weren't holding me back, they were the positive energy in my life, I felt lucky for having such deep connections with them. They weren't spoiling me in any way. All the rest I'm left with now, are and were always holding me back in many different levels. Unless my life purpose or smth is to exist for helping and serving others no matter how sick and suffocated I feel, being in hospitals so often for myself and others, not wanting or hoping for anything other than not experiencing other deaths and illnesses, to feel like nothing is worth it and everything is pointless. It might be it. Feeling good/happy/fullfilled isn't the standard life purpose as we seem to naturally think and hope. Many people have lives that suck so bad till the end, just like that. IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 12863 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted February 13, 2020 08:04 PM
quote: Originally posted by Plut0nian2: Thanks, I get what you're saying. I'm overanalyzing and overthinkng every situation trying to understand the purpose behind it, what lesson it's trying to teach me, if any. I have found none for these deaths (both the literal and not literal ones). Those people weren't holding me back, they were the positive energy in my life, I felt lucky for having such deep connections with them. They weren't spoiling me in any way. All the rest I'm left with now, are and were always holding me back in many different levels. Unless my life purpose or smth is to exist for helping and serving others no matter how sick and suffocated I feel, being in hospitals so often for myself and others, not wanting or hoping for anything other than not experiencing other deaths and illnesses, to feel like nothing is worth it and everything is pointless. It might be it. Feeling good/happy/fullfilled isn't the standard life purpose as we seem to naturally think and hope. Many people have lives that suck so bad till the end, just like that.
I read your pluto conjunct Neptune on your DC experience and I think the lessons you have learned from that transit are very valuable! I think is possible you are meant to help people but not in the manner you have been doing up to now which leads to you feeling taken advantaged of and used but Perhaps to help others through the career you pursue. I think this lesson to be selective of who you become friends with and choose to help is important and to learn that is not your job to rescue others is important. As for losing the people in your life that made you feel supported I am truly sorry for your losses and I don't know what the lesson is there but you have no choice at this point but to rebuild your support system and find a sense of belonging and community in a different way than you did before. For whatever reason life wants you to learn to do this, to lose it all and still chose life and be able to rebuild your support system. The people who supported you have passed and all the people that are left are toxic. All I can think is that you are been forced to have a clean slate and to experience a rebirth, maybe this is a good time to reconsider relocating, were do you want to start over and rebuild your support system at? Hard questions but important questions to consider. IP: Logged |
Orange Knowflake Posts: 7733 From: Georgia Registered: May 2009
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posted February 13, 2020 08:25 PM
this thread has much valuable info, thank you. TR Pluto will soon leave my 11th house and plunge into my 12th. I suspect my psychic and manifesting abilities will flair up, especially since my natal chart ruler is Neptune in Scorpio. I can feel them now but I don't trust them just yet. IP: Logged |
Ayelet Moderator Posts: 3233 From: Registered: Sep 2010
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posted February 13, 2020 08:40 PM
Pluto transit conjunct ascendant. Painful death of former personality. Going through a process while Pluto is in the 1st house, not to leave any time soon.
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hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 12863 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted February 14, 2020 12:51 PM
quote: Originally posted by Orange: this thread has much valuable info, thank you. TR Pluto will soon leave my 11th house and plunge into my 12th. I suspect my psychic and manifesting abilities will flair up, especially since my natal chart ruler is Neptune in Scorpio. I can feel them now but I don't trust them just yet.
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Plut0nian2 Knowflake Posts: 1047 From: Registered: Apr 2014
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posted February 15, 2020 08:52 PM
quote: Originally posted by hypatia238: I read your pluto conjunct Neptune on your DC experience and I think the lessons you have learned from that transit are very valuable! I think is possible you are meant to help people but not in the manner you have been doing up to now which leads to you feeling taken advantaged of and used but Perhaps to help others through the career you pursue. I think this lesson to be selective of who you become friends with and choose to help is important and to learn that is not your job to rescue others is important.As for losing the people in your life that made you feel supported I am truly sorry for your losses and I don't know what the lesson is there but you have no choice at this point but to rebuild your support system and find a sense of belonging and community in a different way than you did before. For whatever reason life wants you to learn to do this, to lose it all and still chose life and be able to rebuild your support system. The people who supported you have passed and all the people that are left are toxic. All I can think is that you are been forced to have a clean slate and to experience a rebirth, maybe this is a good time to reconsider relocating, were do you want to start over and rebuild your support system at? Hard questions but important questions to consider.
Thanks hypatia. Yes, I agree with you about T.Pluto on my Neptune. I don't feel like I want to start over, I feel like an old tired granny for some reason lol. I can't start over, I have health problems wasting my time and my youth. After all these losses I understood that bonding with people isn't worth the longlasting heartache, also I fear that I'm going to suddenly lose anyone I love out if nowhere. That happened because of those experiences, I didn't have this fear before. Maybe this is the lesson? Having just supeficial connections who leave me indifferent just so that I won't experience anything similar again and jeeo my heart and mind safe. We'll see IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 12863 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted February 15, 2020 09:18 PM
quote: Originally posted by Plut0nian2: Thanks hypatia. Yes, I agree with you about T.Pluto on my Neptune. I don't feel like I want to start over, I feel like an old tired granny for some reason lol. I can't start over, I have health problems wasting my time and my youth. After all these losses I understood that bonding with people isn't worth the longlasting heartache, also I fear that I'm going to suddenly lose anyone I love out if nowhere. That happened because of those experiences, I didn't have this fear before. Maybe this is the lesson? Having just superficial connections who leave me indifferent just so that I won't experience anything similar again and jeeo my heart and mind safe. We'll see
I hear you! I understand. Something just popped in my head. When Pluto transited through my 1H the focus was on others and me learning about valuing myself and not giving others so much power over me, now that is at the end of my 1H conjuncting my 2H is like I have my power back, it was about finding my power/value this transit and it started with a significant loss (e.g. heartbreak) and obsessing over this loss (e.g. I paradoxically initiated). So I had to focus on relationships to realize I was over valuing relationships and to find the value of having a relationship with myself and my self-worth. I wonder if your Pluto in the DC journey is about the same thing, I mean they are both in the same axis after all. Both transits are calling us to find a balance and be more detached in relationships and not let ourselves get lost in them and be completely consumed by them and value and protect ourselves first. Again thanks for chatting with me about this. I get how you feel and if you feel tired is not time for big changes, is time for SELF-NOURISHMENT. Hugs. IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 12863 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted February 22, 2020 05:05 PM
Important update and detail about my Pluto through the 12H journey: I left the religion I grew up with towards the end of this transit. I felt the controlling aspects of religion and black and white thinking pushed me away from religion. This speaker from church said in three different occasions that year that you have to be either hot or cold or god will throw you up and the last time he said that I walked away and never returned to church ever again. I was totally fed up with this controlling aspect of religion and their black and white thinking and their need to tell ME how to THINK or live my life.Pluto through the houses by Hypatia238: Pluto through the 12H: Self mastery over delusions, waking up from fantasy into reality, sober minded, no longer living in a fantasy. Self mastery and detachment around spiritual matters, not getting lost in the spiritual world impacting your ability to be fully engaged with your life, seeing religion and spiritual matters more objectively instead of following things blindly bc you were taught to, questioning religion and spiritual matters, exploring spirituality in a more personal private way. Addiction or over-dependency around spiritual practice addressed. Been able to see issues in the religion you follow leading to eventually transforming how you approach spirituality and leaving your church. Not over-valuing spiritual experiences over other experiences, enjoying spiritual experiences while remaining detached without getting lost in them and letting them have all this power over you, seeing them as just another dimension of life that is not more important than other aspects of life but you can enjoy too without it leading to delusions of grandeur. Pluto through the 1H: Waking up to who you really are, gaining insight into your shadow and integrating your shadow side. Learning that the most important relationship you have is the one you have with yourself. Learning to NOT give away your power too much or let others have power over you. Neutralizing obsession around wanting to "Find" the one and realizing the "the one" is you and everything you need is inside of you. Pluto in the 2H: neutralizing any need that may be left inside of you for validation from others to feel okay or good enough. Learning to love yourself fully and unconditionally. Noticing social or family conditioning that keeps you from having a healthy self-worth and liberating yourself from that. Learning to value yourself, patterns were you don't value yourself enough and overvalue others pass away. Learning to nourish in you the things you value in others instead of over-valuing them. The transactional analysis motto, "I am okay, you are okay" fits this transit well bc this transit will help you get to that place in a deeper more multidimensional way. During this time you may lose all your possessions or have a financial collapse forcing you to rebuild in more solid foundations. If you are too attached to money and have an unhealthy relationship with money (e.g obsession around money, insecurities around money and been able to make it/survive, making money your everything, overdependence and attachment to money) you will be forced to become more detached in that regard and neutralize any extremes or unbalances related to how you feel about money. Insecurities around been able to survive and using the skills you have to make a living will be addressed. Pluto in the 3H: Lessons around finding your voice and using the power of your voice, developing your persuasion skills. Any insecurities or barriers to you using your voice will be examined closely and addressed. Freeing yourself from fears that hold you back from using your voice. On the other hand lessons around misusing your voice and power to persuade may need to be addressed. Themes around misusing your power to control how others think or view things instead of just using your voice to express your views and then stepping back and letting others find their truth will be addressed. Lessons around intellectual narcissism may also need to be integrated (e.g. thinking you are always right). Ego issues around your intellect, over attachment to been right. Power struggles around communication will continue to happen until these lessons are integrated. Pluto in the 4H: Will force you to work through childhood trauma, you may not be able to integrate Pluto in the 3H house lessons and find your voice until this is done. Some lessons from previous transits get integrated fully once some work is done with new transit. During this time you may experience a loss of one of your parents potentially. Your sense of security will be shaken to its core somehow, maybe you will experience homelessness, maybe a parent will pass away or a grandparent who made you feel safe, nourished and supported. You will be forced to learn to get that sense of security from yourself as you notice people are not there for you when you need them. You will come to the realization that you need to rescue yourself and love yourself first before you can build up that sense of community you long for but from a position of strength internally that allows you to give to others as much as they give to you. Pluto in the 5H: You will connect with your creative side and discover more intimately the power in you to create. Your creative process will undergo a transformation, you will see more clearly what is in the way of you connecting with your creative side and claiming this power. You may lose a child or deal with intense power struggles with your child. You may start your own business. You may have a child and be completely transformed by motherhood or fatherhood. Pluto through the 6H and 11H to be continued.... IP: Logged | |