posted February 17, 2020 12:24 AM            

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Originally posted by firemoon:

I like the one where Christiano Ronaldo is holding his shirt up with his teeth, showing off his hot soccer body... He's probably making money from that though, such narcissism and ego! 

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posted February 17, 2020 12:29 AM            

I'd like to see a few examples.

"We don't normally associate Saturn with magnetism."

posted February 17, 2020 12:38 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Testosterone definitely gets women though, like if I dont do anything sexual for a month at all, and I come out after a month "all hungry" for it, any women looks good(lol

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posted February 17, 2020 12:42 AM            

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Originally posted by firemoon:
The double standards compared to people's thoughts on sexy and successful feminine women are interesting. 

I like the one where Christiano Ronaldo is holding his shirt up with his teeth, showing off his hot soccer body... He's probably making money from that though, such narcissism and ego! 

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Hmmm, there is definitely a potential slower vibratory aspect to all of this, and I've been trying to outline that if you hadn't noticed..

Hence to some extent I agree with the above.

However to my spidy senses, the above from you seems to be coming from a place of anger towards men and patriarchy, and not a place of centered objectivity and helpfulness i.e. a kind of slower vibratory space as well. Reactiveness of ego etc.

All good, as long as you're seeing your shadow being projected onto others?

posted February 17, 2020 12:50 AM            

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Originally posted by Pluviophile123:
Hmmm, well I like the rugged, pretty boy types (😬 so Taurus comes to mind (my moon sign ❤️ but Leo and Capricorn do too (?). Go figure Leo is my 7th ruler and my Venus is in Capricorn....

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posted February 17, 2020 12:51 AM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
These two quotes are by different people.

I'd like to see a few examples.

"We don't normally associate Saturn with magnetism."

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What kind of examples would you like to see?

Ted Bundy had Saturn as the Planet closest to his Asc, and in all likelihood, considering he didn't look particularly Leonine in a very archeytpal way, probably had Saturn conjunct his Asc. He was skinnier, a bit darker pigmented (in Caucasians), with smaller/sharper features than Leo Rising normally correlates with, but Saturn does more so.

For some reason, many women found him very attractive both before and after he was known to be a rare form of psychopath--a serial killer.

Kind of messed up if you ask me.

Charles Manson has very strong Saturn. Also had a lot of charisma and magnetism. Enough to get a group of people to kill another person for him. That's some kind of "power" and magnetism there, wouldn't you say. In his case, Scorpio and Pluto are also very strong.

I'll see if I can find the Cayce reading I was referencing to earlier about Saturn, but the search engine on the online data base is archaic and sucks goat balls (not these goat balls though...).

As to mainstream astrology not associating powerful Saturn with unusual magnetism--well that is self evident/overtly obvious so I don't feel a need to go into that in depth. Whenever we hear about strong Saturn or Capricorn--well most times I hear some of the most boring, dour, stick in the mud, etc type descriptions. (Ime, there are often a lot of key differences between very strong Saturn and very strong Capricorn, but that is a whole other discussion. I also see major differences between Aries and Mars, and Leo and the Sun).

posted February 17, 2020 01:07 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by firemoon:
[b]The double standards compared to people's thoughts on sexy and successful feminine women are interesting. 

I like the one where Christiano Ronaldo is holding his shirt up with his teeth, showing off his hot soccer body... He's probably making money from that though, such narcissism and ego! 

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Hmmm, there is definitely a potential slower vibratory aspect to all of this, and I've been trying to outline that if you hadn't noticed..

Hence to some extent I agree with the above.

However to my spidy senses, the above from you seems to be coming from a place of anger towards men and patriarchy, and not a place of centered objectivity and helpfulness i.e. a kind of slower vibratory space as well. Reactiveness of ego etc.

All good, as long as you're seeing your shadow being projected onto others?

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Your responses in the other thread seem to be coming from a place of threatened insecurity, when a woman uses her "goddess" (female) sexuality to secure money (power, authority, control) without the permission or ownership of a man.

posted February 17, 2020 01:13 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
If Saturn is making one sexy and magnetic, damn I just started feeling a hell lot better bout my chart already, I think I'm ready to ditch that asteroid Pluto Secret

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I need to see a few Saturn examples first.

posted February 17, 2020 01:25 AM            

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"What kind of examples would you like to see?"

A man that is primarily associated with Saturn that is a "Sexy Masculine Man", unless that's what you offered in your post.

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I gave you two examples of men that likely have very strong Saturn and who received A LOT of female attention.

As to whether they would be considered "sexy 'masculine' men" in general, maybe not, dunno.

posted February 17, 2020 01:46 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:

Hmmm, there is definitely a potential slower vibratory aspect to all of this, and I've been trying to outline that if you hadn't noticed..

Hence to some extent I agree with the above.

However to my spidy senses, the above from you seems to be coming from a place of anger towards men and patriarchy, and not a place of centered objectivity and helpfulness i.e. a kind of slower vibratory space as well. Reactiveness of ego etc.

All good, as long as you're seeing your shadow being projected onto others?

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posted February 17, 2020 01:54 AM            

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Originally posted by firemoon:

Your responses in the other thread seem to be coming from a place of threatened insecurity, when a woman uses her "goddess" (female) sexuality to secure money (power, authority, control) without the permission or ownership of a man.

All good, as long as you also see your role in the paradox. I've already explained I know how to surrender (see the other side of it, remain objective), but not just because I'm getting a scolding.. Capricorn is a feminine sign and yes I do think female sexuality and power has been deeply repressed but that's starting to change. Having enough self respect to call out the double standards is not coming from a place of ego and anger, just a new found freedom and autonomy.

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Not at all, and if that is what you got from my posts over there, you're not very good at reading me more deeply.

I actually have some minor issue with both women AND men doing that. It's a slower vibratory pattern that is all about resonating peoples slower vibratory centers for material oriented self gain.

Some people can't help but be very attractive to others i.e. they are not doing it consciously or to manipulate others. No problem with that kind of "sexiness" in either females or males. It's just something they exude so to speak and is largely unconscious/uncontrolled.

But I was more talking about the conscious, deliberate image projecting that the author of that article was also referring to. And again, I do have some minor issue with both women AND men doing that when they are trying to materially gain off others.

But, I'm a little "odd' in a lot of ways admittedly. I did full charts for people for free from age 16 to 30 and never charged any money. I've done many free charts since. Only in the last year or so, have I considered actually regularly charging people a set range of money for doing charts for others.

I am a non religious follower of Yeshua. I deeply believe in the teaching, "what does it profit a person that they gain the whole world, but lose their own Soul?" I am not of the world and not for the world--only my physical body is, and I'm in the process of trying to raise the vibratory patterns of same to be completely not of the world and yet be in same.

You honestly don't read me well at all or in the slightest despite us both being Capricorn Suns with Aqua Venus. And you're right, maybe anger isn't the right word. I sense more Plutonian rage coming from you.

That might be a necessary state or step for you right now, I don't really know, all I know is that it's there and palpable. I also know that at some point, you will have to integrate it and let it go. Raging against the machine, only gets us and society so far.

The rest is done by Love and positive service to others. Think Dr. King for an excellent example. I can guarantee you that he had as much justification as you, if not much more, to have been angry or raging against the machine. He was aware of that, he didn't repress it, but he chose to take that raw, Plutonian and Martian powerful energy and raise it up, convert it into loving action with the intention of benefiting all.

I get the sense that you're an older Soul and I think you are meant to do similar to some degree--to be a force of positive change in the world and influence on others.

But when you make comments like you did earlier, all it does is push people away and sounds immature and lashing out, kind of like a disgruntled teen having a bit of hissy fit disguised as sardonic edginess and rebellion. A sort of Dead Pool'esque archetype.

For the most part, I think you are likely among friends and your people--meaning, most of us here get that there is A LOT that needs to change in society for the better. However, it's not a war of men vs women. The real issue is psychopathic plutocrats (who happen to be mostly men) vs us commoners more so.

To see the double standards on the other side, I recommend ShoeOnHead Youtube channel.

posted February 17, 2020 02:13 AM            

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Originally posted by firemoon:
^And again with the patronizing and condescending, passive aggressive verbal abuse disguised as spiritually enlightened superiority.

For someone who touts pure love and light.. I'd look into your own shadow.

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You think I'm bad, Oy Vey, you should have seen how Yeshua talked to folks at times...

LOL

Perhaps it's cause T. Jupiter is less than a degree away from my Sun, ruler of my chart, and both Pluto and Saturn now far away from same, that I'm feeling especially honest and direct of late?

Dunno, but with it all is also coming a lot of joy, tolerance of others, and a bit of tough love thrown in when it seems appropriate.

posted February 17, 2020 02:20 AM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
"What kind of examples would you like to see?"

A man that is primarily associated with Saturn that is a "Sexy Masculine Man", unless that's what you offered in your post.

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posted February 17, 2020 02:21 AM            

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Originally posted by firemoon:
^And again with the patronizing and condescending, passive aggressive verbal abuse disguised as spiritually enlightened superiority.

For someone who touts pure love and light.. I'd look into your own shadow.

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I have a couple simple and brief questions for you Firemoon.

Should a person listen to their own internal guidance such as their dreams, way above chance synchronicity with others, dreams from other people close to them about them, professional intuitives/psychics that display a lot of hits and verification, etc?

What if that collective, holistic internal and external guidance over many years, tells a person in no uncertain terms that they are a real deal spiritual teacher type?

Should they, or should they not, listen when the messages keep repeating themselves in various different forms?

posted February 17, 2020 02:29 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Billy Bob Thornton has a huge LEO stellium aspecting Saturn and yes he is weirdly sexy and magnetic...he has something going on...women find him sexy.

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With an ex having the name Angelina Jolie, I'd have to think about it further.

posted February 17, 2020 02:34 AM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:

With an ex having the name Angelina Jolie, I'd have to think about it further.

Normally, I'd say the Saturn influence in his chart is not primary.

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posted February 17, 2020 02:38 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
You think I'm bad, Oy Vey, you should have seen how Yeshua talked to folks at times...

LOL

Perhaps it's cause T. Jupiter is less than a degree away from my Sun, ruler of my chart, and both Pluto and Saturn now far away from same, that I'm feeling especially honest and direct of late?

Dunno, but with it all is also coming a lot of joy, tolerance of others, and a bit of tough love thrown in when it seems appropriate.

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Truthfully, this place is and always has been filled with toxic and hateful energy.. I came back because I'm in a far healthier place than I was, able to look at what would have previously sent me over the edge relatively calmly and objectively. A bit of a test for myself, maybe.

But it seems saying my piece even in that state has been a fruitless endeavor. I think I've read you pretty accurately, and if you're put off by my energy the feeling is mutual.

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
I have a couple simple and brief questions for you Firemoon.

Should a person listen to their own internal guidance such as their dreams, way above chance synchronicity with others, dreams from other people close to them about them, professional intuitives/psychics that display a lot of hits and verification, etc?

What if that collective, holistic internal and external guidance over many years, tells a person in no uncertain terms that they are a real deal spiritual teacher type?

Should they, or should they not, listen when the messages keep repeating themselves in various different forms?

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I've had psychic and telepathic experiences, dreams, encounters with the paranormal, etc. So I don't judge and couldn't presume to say whether you're a real deal or not.

But if you honestly think you're teaching or leading or helping people by talking down to them, you're mistaken.

posted February 17, 2020 02:40 AM            

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Originally posted by firemoon:
^And again with the patronizing and condescending, passive aggressive verbal abuse disguised as spiritually enlightened superiority.

For someone who touts pure love and light.. I'd look into your own shadow.

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posted February 17, 2020 02:44 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I feel is the LEO stellium, imagine if saturn was not aspecting it BUT then again I feel saturn aspecting it gives him this weird bad boy vibe in a sense or stoicism that women maybe gravitate to but he still has the charm of Leo and is this weird mix I feel that makes women feel drawn to him. Angelina is not scared of darkness, I can see why they dated for a while, both are not afraid of delving into the shadow side I feel, they are kindred souls. I feel she matches more with him than she does with Brad Pitt.

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