posted February 17, 2020 02:46 AM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:

It might be that his Saturn was in Scorpio.

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posted February 17, 2020 02:48 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
What kind of examples would you like to see?

Ted Bundy had Saturn as the Planet closest to his Asc, and in all likelihood, considering he didn't look particularly Leonine in a very archeytpal way, probably had Saturn conjunct his Asc. He was skinnier, a bit darker pigmented, with smaller/sharper features than Leo Rising normally correlates with, but Saturn does more so.

For some reason, many women found him very attractive both before and after he was known to be a rare form of psychopath--a serial killer.

Kind of messed up if you ask me.

Charles Manson has very strong Saturn. Also had a lot of charisma and magnetism. Enough to get a group of people to kill another person for him. That's some kind of "power" and magnetism there, wouldn't you say. In his case, Scorpio and Pluto are also very strong.

I'll see if I can find the Cayce reading I was referencing to earlier about Saturn, but the search engine on the online data base is archaic and sucks goat balls (not these goat balls though...).

As to mainstream astrology not associating powerful Saturn with unusual magnetism--well that is self evident/overtly obvious so I don't feel a need to go into that in depth.

Whenever we hear about strong Saturn or Capricorn--well most times I hear some of the most boring, dour, stick in the mud, etc type descriptions. (Ime, there are often a lot of key differences between very strong Saturn and very strong Capricorn, but that is a whole other discussion. I also see major differences between Aries and Mars, and Leo and the Sun).

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I agree with you.For me it's always been Saturn.But I think that for the purpose of this argument, Aries/Mars both fall into the same archetype. As does Cap/Sat. But I do note differences too.

I picked up a long time ago that people find Saturnine energy "sexy" and on the whole men often try to "emulate" the Sat/Cap external persona i.e cool,calm,collected etc. Whilst women are very drawn to it.

Jane Austen suggested it with her "Mr Darcy" character on Pride and Prejudice. That the stoic, taciturn and seemingly "aloof" persona is distinctly attractive. Especially when combined with "forbidding" good looks.

Sexuality is very raw and primal in nature. It is the "spark" of creative force and energy within us. And so it should be of little surprise that the masculine principle of that energy should be "ultra" masculine I.e men who appear more "beastly" and "macho" in a very "cavemen" personified way.

Whilst on the other hand, the "femine" or receptive energy is very soft, gentle, angelic etc.

Both of these are primal Mars/Ven respectively. And secondary Sun/Moon when more "polished".

Saturn/Cap energy is "exalted" when on Mars. This means it exemplifies the "masculine" aura.And Venus(Libra)finds its "exaltation" in Saturn-where it brings to balance the feminine and masculine energies.

This to me suggests the primal relationship of Venus/Mars to our instinctual sexuality-without the apologies of societal decorum etc.

A "man" to men standards these days, is one who appears menacing, stoic and even "aloof" & distant etc.The idea of being unavailable or looking like they are slow cook "trouble" etc.

You see this on "men's cologne" billboards I.e the "dead" expression pose and dark aura. The skeletal frames of the models and how the clothes "hang" on them. Black shades,shades of grey(another Saturn colour) and "dark" brooding features the models have etc. Its Cap/Sat.

Earth or Saturn aspect placements have what is now called "sex appeal".And even though Sat specifically is classically termed "feminine",it is overarching cold feminine that feels so masculine because of its forbidding nature.

There are more Saturn/Cap placements in men that are voted "sexiest " this or "hottest" that etc. Either Sun/Moon or Venus in Cap. Or Saturn in aspect to the three mentioned.

Other earth placements Virgo,Taurus also get honors. But in men,Cap energy seems to be "it" with women/men.

It seems they like forbidding and stoic looking men. As that is now the definition of 'masculinity'. The more "chiselled" looking you are,the "sexier" you are likely to be.And Saturn tends to "chisel" things.

I get more "likes" on my pics on Facebook when I immitate this "dead" model look. People will comment with "smile" etc. But the number of "approvals" I get in those pics as compared to when I do smile,is in itself telling.

People are just drawn to cold, stoic,menacing looks more than happy inviting ones in men. Thats what makes a man "sexy". And Jason Momoas sex appeal was heightened because he played such a character in GOT.

Consider People magazines "sexiest men"

Brad Pitt- Venus/Moon/Mars in Cap.

George Clooney-Moon in Cap conj Sat,Sun in Tau and North Node in Virgo.

Channing Tatum- Sun Taurus,Moon Virgo, Saturn square Venus

Chris Hemsworth-Moon in Virgo,Venus in Virgo and Saturn exalted in Libra square Mars.

Denzel Washington(The guy to "beat" in as far as both powerful status and continuing sex appeal is concerned) has Sun in Cap,N node in Cap,Saturn conj Ven and trine Mars.

Johnny Depp has Moon in Cap,Ven in Tau and Mars in Vir. Saturn square Venus.

Even Jason Momma himself has Saturn conj N.node with Saturn sextile Moon in Scorpio.

But I see more of "pretty" boy that does not know how to capitalize on his looks to sustain his career long-term. Or will differentiate him from others who have come before.

"Hot" felon Jeremy Meeks has Sat conj Mars with Venus in Cap.

"Jon Snow" GOT Kit Harington has Sun in Cap with Saturn trine N.Node, Saturn square Mars.

Robert Pattinson (Twilight) has Sun/Asc in Taurus with Mars in Cap. He played the "brooding" Edward on Twilight which catapulted him to fame.

Even the novel "50 Shades of Grey" has a very Saturnine central character therein. The title suggests Saturn themes(sexual dominance and subversive control).

Masochism is a Cap/Sat and Virgo related energy really imo.

Idris Elba-who had women going to therapy when he got married, has North Node in Cap, Sun in Virgo with Saturn squaring Mars.

Adam Levine has Saturn square Mars and Saturn widely conjunct North Node.

It is Sat/Cap/Earth energy that is deemed "masculine" by people.

As a man to be "sexy", you must have Saturn/Cap or earth energy strong in your chart.

posted February 17, 2020 03:00 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
^ Might be or you googled that lol\

Edit: Damn I forgot to read an entire page

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posted February 17, 2020 03:05 AM            

I'm Sun (15%), Saturn (12%), and Jupiter (11%) dominant using 10 objects.

From my experience with women, it doesn't show up in my pics though, IMO.

posted February 17, 2020 03:06 AM            

I want my etheric money back and pronto! I paid good etheric money/energy for this damn chart, and I was "guaranteed" maximum sexiness! In fact, I remember God saying this to me specifically, "Vasya*, you're going to be a lady killer, not literally like Ted Bundy, but metaphorically like George Clooney" and I was like, "Hot damm, why thank you God, here's a cool 100".

I mean, I'd do me, but apparently I'm one of the few who would... Truly W...T....F.

LOL

* Vasya, well this was a bit of a joke from guidance on me. My spouse some years back had a dream wherein she was talking to a guide like female figure and she told us our "spiritual names". Mine she said, seemed like a Russian form of the name William.

I later did research into the Russian forms of the name William, and one stood out to me for some reason--Vasya. A Norwegian friend also very into Cayce, pointed out the obvious to me about this clue, and it was like a massive "duh" moment.

posted February 17, 2020 03:06 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
^ Not for you I was asking Secret I skipped the last page entirely it seems.

Your description sure made me feel proud to be a Saturnian "after a while", even if googled anything its alright alright

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posted February 17, 2020 03:09 AM            

But honestly speaking though. All that came from my very busy head.

Its just funny because I have been thinking of starting a "what is masculinity?" thread.

But I always think "no,I am going too deep" and stop myself.

posted February 17, 2020 03:22 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Goshdarnit Aries23Degrees! Why the bleepity bleep did I not get any of this sexiness?!?! I have Sun, chart ruler in Capricorn, ruler of a bunch of Virgo placements, Mercury in Capricorn, and late Virgo Saturn conjunct early Libra Moon!

I want my etheric money back and pronto! I paid good etheric money/energy for this damn chart, and I was "guaranteed" maximum sexiness! In fact, I remember God saying this to me specifically, "Vasya*, you're going to be a lady killer, not literally like Ted Bundy, but metaphorically like George Clooney" and I was like, "Hot damm, why thank you God, here's a cool 100".

I mean, I'd do me, but apparently I'm one of the few who would... Truly W...T....F.

LOL .

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Maybe it's there but remains acknowledged by you? LOL.

My ex has Sun in Lib/Moon in Cap with Saturn in Lib square Moon. He was gorgeous. But not aware at all.

I used to tell him to send headshots to a modelling agency I got a hold of. He works in a manufacturing plant-very mundane work.

But he has the "stuff", very chiselled, great bone structure and height too.

Sadly however he lacks the ability to see himself in the way others do. Saturn can do that too. It is very self critical.

posted February 17, 2020 03:47 AM            

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Originally posted by firemoon:
I've had psychic and telepathic experiences, dreams, encounters with the paranormal, etc. So I don't judge and couldn't presume to say whether you're a real deal or not.

But if you honestly think you're teaching or leading or helping people by talking down to them, you're mistaken.

There's an air of presumptuousness, superiority and contention I'm guessing hasn't always gone over well for you.

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Yeah, it didn't go over well for my teacher either it seems. He was set up on sham charges in a sham court of law, brutally tortured, then crucified while entire crowds of people, both his own fellow Jews and Romans were rejoicing at his torture/death. Humans, funny creatures.

People really dislike truth tellers it seems. Especially those confident in themselves.

As to self and self's probable future. My spouse has had some 4 or 5 dreams over the last 7 or so years about me dying young'ish, in my mid 40's (I'm 40 now). Some of these dreams reference to it happening after the collapse that we both have gotten a lot of guidance about.

I wondered about these dreams, and then had one of my own not that long ago. Saw self in a battle between the positive, helper, community building type people which I was part of, and some very not nice people post collapse. The very not nice people were aggressing on us, and we had to defend ourselves for our very survival.

I saw my body in one of these battles get pretty much cut in half--i.e. quite dead. Next thing I know, I shoot up into an incredibly pure white light place/state, and from there I'm still watching the material scenes unfold. I decide, you know what, I'm going to heal my body and come back. And so I did.

My friends who had seen me cut down, couldn't believe it. I knew that I was "different" when I came back. End of dream.

I know my past, I know where I'm at now, and I know where I'm likely going. Truly, if you had met my teacher when he was public, you probably would have thought similar about him as well since you seem to have major authority issues.

Real spiritual teachers don't give a shite about their "image", what others think or don't think about them, or how they come across to others. They simply just tell truth designed to stir up/provoke shadows, bring light to the unconscious, etc. While they may engage in tough love at times, it truly does come from a place of love.

I could sit here and tell you every single guidance message self has received about his past, his probable potential, etc, but I'd likely bore you all to death. But suffice it to say, it's taken A LOT of poking and prodding on guidance's part over many years to get this introverted, reserved personality to understand and accept the role he came here to play, which to his chagrin, is a more active role than he would prefer being a bit tipped/polarized to the passive/Yin.

The funny thing about this conversation and my supposed arrogance, etc, is that not long ago on another thread, you yourself spoke recently about your anger, intolerance, depression, etc coming up, and yet when I point it out, it's like, "who, me?"

And then followed by a stream of you're a meanie jerk, arrogant, condescending, etc. Which may all be true or not, however, it doesn't change the truth of what I'm saying, now does it?

And that's what really rubs you the wrong way, is someone else, nay a MAN, pointing it out to you, cause you're all miss fiery Independence ala a Kelly Clarkson song.

Smile friend. Don't take life, yourself, me, etc so friqqin seriously all the time. Literally and figuratively lighten up. Almost every post I see from you is heavy, dour, sour, and complaining about this or that. I get it, life is hard, but there is more than that hardness.

Come on, us Capricorns are painted Eeyore enough as it is, don't give em more ammo and justification to really pin the tail on this donkey.

Cause you and I both know, we're like Onions and have many and deep layers. There is sweetness somewhere in there too. We don't just sting people's eyes.

posted February 17, 2020 03:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Maybe it's there but remains acknowledged by you? LOL.

My ex has Sun in Lib/Moon in Cap with Saturn in Lib square Moon. He was gorgeous. But not aware at all.

I used to tell him to send headshots to a modelling agency I got a hold of. He works in a manufacturing plant-very mundane work.

But he has the "stuff", very chiselled, great bone structure and height too.

Sadly however he lacks the ability to see himself in the way others do. Saturn can do that too. It is very self critical.

He took years to approach me directly. And he sadly kinda messed things up when we did get together.So there is self-esteem problems there for sure for him.

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Thank you for the encouragement and pep talk. Truth is, whether it's there or not, it's not truly and deeply important for me. Occasionally the ego/body level of self wishes I was more overtly sexy or what not, but to me that is a giant ego trap.

I just want to be of positive, helpful service to others at the end of the day. (even if that means p!ssing people off at times...)

posted February 17, 2020 04:27 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
The funny thing about this conversation and my supposed arrogance, etc, [b]is that not long ago on another thread, you yourself spoke recently about your anger, intolerance, depression, etc coming up, and yet when I point it out, it's like, "who, me?"

And then followed by a stream of you're a meanie jerk, arrogant, condescending, etc. Which may all be true or not, however, it doesn't change the truth of what I'm saying, now does it?

And that's what really rubs you the wrong way, is someone else, nay a MAN, pointing it out to you, cause you're all miss fiery Independence ala a Kelly Clarkson song.[/B]

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And that's just it... it doesn't take a psychic to twist and use my own words against me. Except for intolerance, that must be a stroke of psychic genius because I'm not sure where you saw me saying that about myself. I haven't been back to this forum in years and yes have been posting during a difficult time but the reality is you know nothing about me or my past or my present. Digging into my every word suggests what I've said has gotten under your skin for your own personal reasons. Which might include but is not limited to, "occasionally wishing you were more overtly sexy or what not".

I think something about my "fiery independence" has triggered something in you that doesn't like to concede control. Being The Messiah and all. And I'm taking myself too seriously? You're right, it's actually funny.

Sorry everyone for getting so off topic and this really will be my last comment cause it's not worth it.

posted February 17, 2020 05:32 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
And apparently you do not like narcs Galactic, but apparently two narcs get along well with each other, I wonder about you though that said, you and your case, it must be an exception..ta-da *nails dust

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Sticks and stones and all that jazz'raz'ma'tazz.

posted February 17, 2020 06:05 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Girl I hear you roar! I recommend you disengage or you will feel trapped like you are going around in circles and is a waste of time/energy.

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How quick you are to turn on someone just because they disagree with you and point out flaws in your logic.

Literally was only trying to help you figure out your chart.

posted February 17, 2020 08:02 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries Eagle:
And on the opposite side I find Taurus and Cancer females to be the most feminine.

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posted February 17, 2020 11:35 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Sticks and stones and all that jazz'raz'ma'tazz.

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posted February 17, 2020 02:31 PM            

That's half of the reason I created this thread.

For example, Jason has his Moon in Scorpio, which is not masculine.

It makes me question when I see women, more or less, gawk about men with a Scorpio Sun.

Like how hot or kinky they are.

In my opinion, that could imply the Moon should not be used when assessing the greatest masculinity for a man.

posted February 17, 2020 03:08 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
^ The body is as important as the soul it carries, yeah the soul can go around well, but if you are here, the body matters, doesn't it ? ... ... Hahh

Isn't being "spiritual" also a trap though? You suddenly transform into earth-transforming star seeds, aliens from above than the likes of average ordinary specks of dust a.k.a normal humanity that you encounter daily, you suddenly start thinking of urself as the "saviour" of the world, and perhaps you are, but even Christ thought god would help at the end, but apparently godot had other plans..tsk tsk, the ******* (my apologies to lord christ, but not keeping a promise would make him one in my eyes, or perhaps he has already arrived but didn't wanna carry a cross made out of cement this time) hasn't arrived for two thousand of years..

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A sexy masculine man would include the body and soul, so you make a good point.

For example, George Strait appears to very humble.

That likely adds to his popularity but not sure about being sexy and masculine.

Not sure about his sexiness because I'm straight (no pun intended).

He doesn't seem that masculine to me.

posted February 17, 2020 03:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries Eagle:
And on the opposite side I find Taurus and Cancer females to be the most feminine.

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Taurus and Pisces for me.

I'd like to create a similar thread about "Sexy Feminine Women" soon.

posted February 18, 2020 02:33 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Sticks and stones and all that jazz'raz'ma'tazz.

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