posted February 22, 2020 11:19 PM            

Evaluating probabilities but never knowing which way the market will move ahead of time.

Like if you were on a dating site.

Even if you found the perfect match, the person could resist, possibly because of timing.

posted February 22, 2020 11:30 PM            

I was always certain that people with Saturn heavy charts I'd never find relatable... Up until this one person that's probably the most Saturn heavy person I've met thus far... And I don't 'like' people often. (That's somewhat a lie actually lol, I realized lately that I can fall for pretty much anyone really hard 'while' I'm involved with them) But him I do. And it was just interesting to me.

Also, certain people with Neptune aspects in their charts just expresses itself in nice ways... While in others it just doesn't mesh with a person's essence and almost seems like it's not very well integrated within their nature... Even soft aspects...

posted February 23, 2020 02:17 AM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
Intuition through a person but not as much intuition strictly through a chart blind to the person.

Magnitudes of intuition would be different.

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True that. I guess picking up on energies though the form of translation is more of a 3rd house matter? 🤔 Now it's got me thinking...

Probably a 3rd and 12th house mix... Translating 'energies' (12 house) into a 'mental' (3rd house) understanding... Or 'intuiting' your 'mental' understanding...

posted February 23, 2020 02:31 AM            

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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
True that. I guess picking up on energies though the form of translation is more of a 3rd house matter? 🤔 Now it's got me thinking...

Probably a 3rd and 12th house mix... Translating 'energies' (12 house) into a 'mental' (3rd house) understanding... Or 'intuiting' your 'mental' understanding...

Going off topic here lol. But I still wonder the possibilities of this...

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Intuition is a function of the human spirit not of the mind (Mercury) in the soul.

It is sometimes called spiritual wisdom, as opposed to mental wisdom.

The intuition comes through the human spirit and into the soul to the mind, but I think Uranus, Jupiter, and/or Neptune has to be involved.

posted February 23, 2020 02:32 AM            

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Originally posted by ULT12:
Yes.................. [b]in theory only. Realistically, no.

"in theory only" because -when- Transits/etc act out appears to be unpredictable. A person can have so many qualities(energies; own-chart aspects and such), and we have so many good synastry points with them, but because of Transits and Progressions and stuff like that, humans are not static; one day, you may meet a person with a 900/1000 score, but they're under a Pluto square Transit and it comes alive the first moment of meeting them and the next and the next so all you experience is Bad Pluto juju and not any of the 900/1000 goodness. [/B]

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Lol 🤔 true I guess?

What about a person's vitality... Their aura. Even if bad qualities are present, it's the way they present it. That's probably more of a superficial liking I guess... But that's technically just the 'cover' to unlocking what's underneath. Meaning, if I don't like a person's aura then what's beneath wouldn't really matter if I don't give them the chance.

posted February 23, 2020 02:52 AM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
Intuition is a function of the human spirit not of the mind (Mercury) in the soul.

It is sometimes called spiritual wisdom, as opposed to mental wisdom.

The intuition comes through the human spirit and into the soul to the mind, but I think Uranus, Jupiter, and/or Neptune has to be involved.

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Correct. What I meant though was the integration of those two.

posted February 23, 2020 03:04 AM            

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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
Correct. What I meant though was the integration of those two.

As in your example, Neptune being in the 3rd... If my theory holds true... One would be able to 'depict' energy. In a very human conscious way. AKA reading a chart probably requires a pretty solid understanding of combining energies... However, without being able to 'see' what you 'feel' or vice versa, it'll probably just be a disorganized understanding where one wouldn't necessarily be able to bring such into the realm of consciousness. And maybe Neptune being there probably isn't a good idea afterall, since it'll just enhance the confusion?

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I'd say at least water, with a lean to Pisces.

I don't think Mercury matters because a person with a genius IQ might be non-intuitive.

posted February 23, 2020 03:09 AM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
I'd say at least water, with a lean to Pisces.

I don't think Mercury matters because a person with a genius IQ might be non-intuitive.

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posted February 23, 2020 03:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
Not necessarily Mercurial. But the integration. Say, 3rd ruler in the 12th. Or something like that. True, also thought something Pisces related. But I feel that in order to read or translate charts you have to have the mental capability. Which is more 3rd house related. But again, it's more so the combination. Not one over the other.

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posted February 23, 2020 03:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
Not necessarily Mercurial. But the integration. Say, 3rd ruler in the 12th. Or something like that. True, also thought something Pisces related. But I feel that in order to read or translate charts you have to have the mental capability. Which is more 3rd house related. But again, it's more so the combination. Not one over the other.

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Correct, integrated/balanced whole brain activity is what we are looking for and what is most ideal. Many people get lopsided to the either the left brain at the detriment of the right, or to the right at the detriment of the left.

But if you can combine them in a perfect balance, you can unlock a more expanded and accurate perceptual capacity.

In one corner we have the most "left brained" planets/symbols of Mercury, Saturn, Aries, Gemini, and/or Virgo.

In the other we have the most right brained Moon, Neptune, Venus, Cancer, and to a lesser extent Pisces.

The most inherently balanced and whole brain being Jupiter (tipped slightly to the right brain), Aquarius, and Capricorn.

Uranus being sort of unique in that it flip flops between extremes, and rarely is ever balanced in and of itself, and yet it can contribute to either left or right brain attunement depending. All in all though, it is more intuitive.

Whether you mix and match from the first two categories strongly together, or have a lot of emphasis on the 3rd, it equates to a similar balanced, whole brain pattern potential.

posted February 23, 2020 07:10 AM            

I almost always do the exact opposite though.
Looking at someone or get to chat/know him a little bit in order to guess his/her planets placements and aspects based on my intuition, the way they make me feel and the way others see them.

posted February 23, 2020 09:17 AM            

The first thing is to look at one's own natal chart to be able know what to look for.

The Asc-Dsc axis and the respective rulers are the most important.

The distribution of planets through the elements is another thing. A person with little water in their chart will naturally gravitate to heavy water charts.

Pattern completion is important, too.
Someone with a t-square will notice a person who turns their t-square into a grand square, for example.

posted February 23, 2020 11:36 AM            

Bias .. can fool a person.

I looked at Hitler's chart.
He had been 'liked'.
He was a painter and loved to paint nature.

Libra Ascendant
Aquarius IC ..
Lots of earth.

Would you have guessed, that with his chart,
he would have turned out to be a MONSTER?

- http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Hitler,_Adolf

- http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Category:Asc_26_Libra

- http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Category:Sun_0_Taurus

- http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Category:Moon_6_Capricorn

Same birth year.
Similar outer-planet placements
- http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Category:1889_births

Same birth day
- http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Category:Birthday_20_April

Same birth place?
parents, siblings, cousins, spouse
- http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Category:Birthplace_Braunau,_AUS

I understand wanting and needing to be 'careful' of people, and wanting some kind of way to 'judge' who they are through their chart.

The 'chart' is NOT the 'person' themselves.
Life gives you 'tests' and choices to make.

Hard charts can build wonderful Strengths.

Like someone else said... 'intuition' can lead you?

People who have had a lot of trauma in their lives have been known to be led towards the wrong person, wrong situation, over and over again.

If you have some friends you can trust, friends who really know you and have experienced your energies and watched your choices in life,
then I'd say to trust 'them' and ask for 'their' feedback before you decide {independently} for yourself.

Don't stay in an isolated place,
and make isolated decisions.

Let people give you advice.
From there, then,
"There is safety in a multitude of counselors"
{scripture}

And like Maya Angelou says..
"When someone shows you who they are,
believe them the first time."

When people really care for you,
they will 'demonstrate' and show the fruits of that to you.

Be discriminating.

I really WISH that if we looked at someone's chart, we could tell.

posted February 23, 2020 12:40 PM            

This is what was said about another primary Uranian, "One that will always be either very good or very bad, very wicked or very much given to good works. Ultra in all forces."
Irrespective of the wild card factor of freewill. Who was this said about? Well, oddly enough, E.C. who some now call America's prophet.

Speaking of which, one of the more controversial set of readings by E.C. involves when Hitler was just starting to arise to power, and E.C.'s guidance indicated, tentatively and with conditions, that Hitler was being psychically led by higher forces (at first) and could do good as long as he didn't let imperialistic forces enter in.

But a couple years into power, E.C.'s guidance blasted same, and said that Germany had become a parasite on the world in it's imperialism. Then later when asked what Hitler's destiny was, his source just answered "death".

I think Hitler was a far more complicated and complex character than many give him credit for. But it's also clear that his life is an extreme example and cautionary tale of the common truism--"power corrupts, and absolute powers corrupts absolutely".

At some point, Hitler let the power go to his head, and he fully and completely went to the dark side of his Uranian extremist nature. It didn't help that he had some much darker and much more innately psychopathic people on his team who were strongly influencing him, like Goebbels.

But if one takes a more objective, historical look into the earlier life and motivations, it's clear that he started off with some higher ideals, and at first, truly wanted to help his country and it's peoples, which had been toyed with and broken by powerful international forces. And indeed, he did help raise his country out of poverty and depression.

People sometimes compare DT to Hitler which I find odd. Because D.T. has never had any ideals, and has never cared about anything other than self and his own ego. He is clearly a malignant narcisscist that has been that way for a very long time. Hitler, for all the harm he ended up doing to many people, actually started off with some higher ideals and wanting to be of positive service to the German people. We're comparing a primary Uranian to a primary Martian. I think he was neither a full psychopath, nor even a full narcissist. But clearly, he was a Uranian extremist, whose Soul was made up of very contrasting and conflicting, fast vibratory and very slow vibratory sides. His spiritual freewill ended up choosing the latter completely over the former.

People tend to prefer black and whites over complex, relative, shades of gray. And yet, reality is often far more complex than we humans tend to paint it.

I can imagine that once Hitler's soul phased to the nonphysical, he eventually realized the horror of his latter life and probably felt very, very deeply regretful, ashamed, and horrible about it. I have fairly good "psychopathdar", and while it's clear that Hitler became more and more hard hearted and sociopathic, I really don't get the sense that he was born psychopathic though many people seem to assume that.

He was a sensitive, artistic, Uranian extremist type who allowed himself to get corrupted by power, and I imagine that his above average psychic sensitivity (powerful Uranus, Pluto Neptune conjunction the 8th, and close Cap Moon Jupiter conjunction) eventually became a detriment. I think some very dark forces started to focus A LOT and constantly on him, to his unconscious awareness, and he started to get influenced more and more by such lacking in light forces.

Heck, my spouse's dream about my Egyptian lifetime as a spiritual teacher and holistic healer indicated that similar happened to me where a very psychically strong and collective lacking in light (ET) group focused on me psychically to my detriment. Now, I didn't go around killing people or anything like that, but allowed self to get stuck in the fleshpots. In that same dream, she said that I was, along with my teacher/friend/co-worker Thoth, in the process of trying to spiritually ascend (didn't though).

Relative degrees of being influenced.

posted February 23, 2020 02:35 PM            

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Originally posted by ULT12:
^ To claim Hitler as predominantly Uranian is nonsense. Yes, his Uranus is significant, but to say it was a guiding or directive part of his core is coming from your imagination entirely and NOT the facts as they be(chart) Hitler was heavily Jupiterian/H9/etc. That's the stuff of "belief, vision, dogma". Hitler had the necessary support needed to be successful(historical, notable, etc), that is all (chiefly: an extremely strong Saturn/Cap/etc).

Relevant reading: http://barbarapijan.com/bpa/Graha/Rahu/Rahu_domain9.htm

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There is no more singularly amplifying and highlighting astrological condition than that of a Planet being conjunct the Asc point.

The Asc point is literally that of self. It is like a giant magnifying lens which when any Planet is near, becomes uber enlarged/amplified.

Edgar Cayce had Uranus conjunct his Asc, and his guidance made a number of references to his powerful and predominant Uranian attunement, indicating that his Soul had come from the consciousness level that Uranus signifies i.e. that of the mix of extremes, the psychic, and the unusual. Saying things "Uranus at it's zenith" "From Uranus...ultra in all forces", etc. The Asc is so important and so crucial in the chart, that even if a Planet isn't particularly close to same, but is the Planet that is CLOSEST to same, it often becomes quite highlighted in the life and psyche of the individual.

Astrologer Stephen Arroyo explained the power and significance of the Asc pretty well in an allegorical way. He pointed out how that often times when the Moon is on the horizon (i.e. the 1st/7th axis), it looks to us like it is MUCH bigger than when it's at other positions. However, this is all an illusionary effect. The Moon isn't actually any bigger or closer to us when on the horizon, but that it LOOKS that way to our perception, speaks to the central importance and power of the Asc in astrology and in natal chart.

Or in other words, the Asc literally represents where the Earth rises up and the Heavens come down to MEET each other. Hence, Planets at or near this point, are symbolically extremely powerful and often dominate the entire chart above and beyond any other singular placements. Including Sun Sign, including stelliums, including conjunctions with the Sun, etc, etc

If Hitler's chart is more or less accurate, then he was predominantly an extremist Uranian. Just as D.T. is primarily and predominantly a Martian. Just as I am powerfully a Jupitarian. Just as my spouse is predominantly and powerfully a Venusian (Venus in her 1st, closest to her Asc), etc

Also, funny that you bring up Cap. Aquarius and Capricorn are the only two signs that share a traditional ruler, that are right next to each other. Cap also has very strong, continuing ancient symbolism with Water, despite it being an Earth Sign. ONe of the oldest symbols of same is the goat-fish

This is symbolic that Cap is a hybrid between that of Earth and Soul. Saturn is purely of the Earth and of matter. However, Uranus is closer to that of Soul. Capricorn partakes of BOTH.

It seems rather apparent to me, based on a combo of the unique relationship between Capricorn and Aquarius, and the more ancient and deeper symbolism of Capricorn, that Capricorn is actually co-ruled by Uranus. But where Aquarius would be Uranus-Saturn, Capricorn would be Saturn-Uranus.

This is more speculative and theoretical in nature, and does not affect nor involve the earlier points about the nature of the Asc and Planets being conjunct same or even just closest to same, being super highlighted. Hitler's 9th is highlighted by the North Node being in same, and by the ruler of same being Angular and moderately conjunct the Sun, however Houses and basic/core Planetary attunements are different matters.

Strongest Planetary attunements are equivalent to the predominant colors in the mental layer of one's aura (provided use of the freewill hasn't changed same), and House emphasis is equivalent to the outer conditions that the Soul and especially Spirit level of self, set's up a life to be immersed in, hopefully to have an eventual affect on the deeper psyche and core attunement of the individual involved.

You need to get back to basics, and put things into their relative order of importance..

posted February 23, 2020 03:37 PM            

That's a great post Mirage29.

One of the best I've seen on LL.

I've quoted only a small part of the post above to add a little.

It's always wrong to judge (mentally) but is never wrong to discern (spiritually) what the judgement is, although it can be carried out incorrectly.

Mentally judging is of the soul (self).

Spiritually discerning is of the human spirit (not self).

Judging someone can cause a blemish on a person's conscience.

posted February 23, 2020 07:16 PM            

I like to use the phrase self can fool self.

Self is cunning.

A person can be their worst enemy and not know it.

The reason is related to the clarity of the conscience in the human spirit.

An extreme example is like an alcoholic drinking because the person's in denial.

posted February 28, 2020 09:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
Sometimes when I see repeating patterns within charts I wonder how in one person I can like certain traits while in another I don't.

Which got me wondering... What is if I'm given a stack of charts to look at... Would I be able to pick out one of those, which would be a person I like with certainty? Without me meeting or interacting with them first of course...

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