posted March 01, 2020 04:13 PM            

We're talking easily 6'6" to 7'1" or so, and a very large/long torso.

posted March 01, 2020 04:52 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
A male with a Leo Rising (towards the middle) with Leo Jupiter closely conjunct same, Sag Mercury closely trine same, and ruling Planet, the Sun in Sagittarius would correlate with a veritable giant of a person.

We're talking easily 6'6" to 7'1" or so, and a very large/long torso.

And if Caucasian, likely lighter in complexion and coloring.

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I trust you have more hands-on experience with people/charts than I do, but from what I've seen physical looks do not always correlate with the chart. Maybe I don't look closely and/or correctly enough, though.

Although the ASC Point and H1 both explicitly relate to physical characteristics, they also relate to 'immediate personality/self'. Astro seems more "x could indicate a, or b, or c, or d, or any combination" rather than "x indicates a AND b AND c etc, 100% of the times full-stop". So because ASC/H1 is assigned to both looks and personality, they both don't need to be true.

posted March 01, 2020 05:40 PM            

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Originally posted by ULT12:
I trust you have more hands-on experience with people/charts than I do, but from what I've seen physical looks do not always correlate with the chart. Maybe I don't look closely and/or correctly enough, though.

Although the ASC Point and H1 both explicitly relate to physical characteristics, they also relate to 'immediate personality/self'. Astro seems more "x could indicate a, or b, or c, or d, or any combination" rather than "x indicates a AND b AND c etc, 100% of the times full-stop". So because ASC/H1 is assigned to both looks and personality, they both don't need to be true.

You may note I do not think Morgan has Jupiter-1, so the effects may not even be manifested as one would expect of an ASC conj. Take Trump for example, with his relatively tight Mars-ASC conj but from H12 - he does NOT have a Mars appearance-slash-body, but aggressive, warring, forever 'climbing', he is (<- personality).

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Few people have the belief/perception that I have, and which Cayce's guidance talked multiple times about--that the physical birth time is not always the correct chart.

Hence, no wonder why there are discrepancies, and why sometimes it "works" and works perfectly, and other times it doesn't seem to at all. I have plumbed this work to it's very depths--I have A LOT of trust in it, because of how much verification it produced time and time again. No serious, objective researcher who investigates Cayce ever comes back with the feeling or knowing that Cayce was a fraud, or anything but an unusually talented, real deal of a psychic. Before Sidney Kirkpatrick investigated him, he was a total skeptic of all things spiritual, psychic, religious, and nonphysical. Cayce's work made him a "believer" in all the above. Houdini also investigated him, and Houdini had a burning passion for exposing fraudelent mediums and was very good at it. Cayce was the only person he investigated and didn't call a fraud. In fact, very oddly, some years later, he made a movie based on a reincarnational romance story.

Trump has very late Leo Rising strongly cusping Virgo, and his ruling Planet, the Sun, is in Gemini (Gemini and Virgo combo are slighter, smaller, weaker framed than Leo or Mars). Mars conjunct Asc, does indicate a natural vitality and ease in building muscle, but it's not like one is born a body builder--one has to work at it.

Trump has had a notoriously crappy diet (fast food) and a lack of exercise for most of his life--he is on record for saying that he "mistrusts" too much exercise because he thinks a human body only has so much energy in a lifetime.

With that said, considering he eats a really crappy/unhealthy diet, considering how little he exercises, he historically has had enough vitality to get by on less sleep than most, and despite his mental state, otherwise seems in fairly decent health--more than he should be considering all the above + his age. There are plenty of people under similar conditions who are in MUCH worse shape health wise.

He is also a fairly good sized guy, at around 6'1 to 6'2 back in his prime. Course the whole 6' 3" thing was a load of bollocks, and yet another lie from a supremely insecure malignant narcissist type.

No, in actuality, late Leo Rising with Mars conjunct same, and ruling Planet in Gemini, if he had worked at it and not been so lazy and undisciplined/neglectful in health/diet, he probably could have been a decent athlete.

As far as Morgan goes, if he has Jupiter in 1st, it's likely with a very late Cancer Rising (like 28 to 29 degrees, strongly cusping Leo), and widely conjunct Jupiter. Actually, this would probably be my 2nd guess. With his Moon in Virgo and moderately conjunct Virgo Saturn, this would indicate some darkening of the features, but wouldn't appreciably decrease the height since the Moon is more closely conjunct the North Node.

North Node, Jupiter, Sun, Uranus, and Mercury being the primary "increasers of height", whereas South Node, Saturn, and Moon are decreasers. Yang Signs being average to taller (some more so than others), and Yin Signs being average to shorter (some more so than others). Fixed Signs being more thick and square in build, Cardinal being more bony (and tend to have long necks), and Mutable being more easily affected by other, stronger factors, and generally "longer" (except for Pisces, which can be shorter and more plump).

Fire having the most innate vitality, more atheletic, and stronger physically and the lightest in coloring. Air being more cerebral but with decent vitality and lightish in coloring, Water being more emotional and more prone to gaining weight, in between lightish and medium in complexion and coloring (Scorpio darkest), and generally shorter (very Yin energy), and Earth being the darkest/swarthiest in complexion, their vitality is more endurance based, and they tend to be stronger than they look. Virgo being the tallest of the Yin Signs via it's Mutable nature combined with being ruled by Mercury. This doesn't mean it's "tall" by any means, but I have met some folks with Virgo Rising with their ruler in Sagittarius, or in very close aspect to Jupiter or Uranus, who were unusually tall.

posted March 01, 2020 06:02 PM            

This is the hardest part of doing astrology well, the synthesis part. Plenty astro students can pick apart various different, separate parts of a chart fairly accurately.

But putting this 500 piece puzzle into a seamless, balanced, whole synthesis that resembles an accurate picture, or end puzzle image--now that is the hard part and few are very gifted at this. It takes an ability to process vast sums of information in their relativity, and an unusually whole brain attunement (where the left and right brain hemispheres work together very well and about equally).

posted March 01, 2020 06:15 PM            

Unfortunately, most of the observations made about looks in relation to the Asc and it's factors, has been in relation to caucasians in western astrology. That, combined with caucasians seem to have the most variation in coloring, looks, and traits in general, makes it easier to correlate charts to those with caucasian bodies.

posted March 01, 2020 08:10 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
A male with a Leo Rising (towards the middle) with Leo Jupiter closely conjunct same, Sag Mercury closely trine same, and ruling Planet, the Sun in Sagittarius would correlate with a veritable giant of a person.

We're talking easily 6'6" to 7'1" or so, and a very large/long torso.

And if Caucasian, likely lighter in complexion and coloring.

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He is actually quite tall 6'4-6'5, to say he has to be 6'6 or taller is extremely obnoxious of you, he is very tall and he is a big guy weight wise and his darker complexion can be explained by his moon in virgo similar to Johnny Depp...

Johnny Depp is caucasian and has a darker complexion and he has LEO rising with MOON In CAPRICORN hence the darker complexion even though he is LEO riser LOL

posted March 01, 2020 08:15 PM            

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Originally posted by ULT12:
I trust you have more hands-on experience with people/charts than I do, but from what I've seen physical looks do not always correlate with the chart. Maybe I don't look closely and/or correctly enough, though.

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It doesn't matter how much someone appears to know or be an expert, don't ever trust anything anybody says just bc they speak with authority and talk about how much they have read and how much they know ect.......I have studied Astrology too for over 20 years and I am still learning and is why I like lindaland bc I can be the eternal student here.

posted March 01, 2020 08:29 PM            

Please tell me how MERCURY-1 makes sense.
In the first video, he says he doesn't plan/prepare(Mercury) really.

Nor is he talkative (in fact, really reserved -> Saturn-1).

posted March 01, 2020 09:34 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
He is actually quite tall 6'4-6'5, to say he has to be 6'6 or taller is extremely obnoxious of you, he is very tall and he is a big guy weight wise and his darker complexion can be explained by his moon in virgo similar to Johnny Depp...

Johnny Depp is caucasian and has a darker complexion and he has LEO rising with MOON In CAPRICORN hence the darker complexion even though he is LEO riser LOL

ADD they both have MC in Taurus plus an earth MOON like I just said, both of these things explain the dark complexion.

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When I googled his height, it says 6' 2" as I stated earlier.

MC has nothing to do with looks, neither does Moon.

Re: Johnny Depp, you assume his chart is 100% accurate. I don't ever assume that.

Depp has Saturn at 23 degrees Aquarius. If Depps Leo Rising is a bit later, it will be in a direct opposition aspect with his Asc, which would more than explain a darker complexion--not that he is that dark. His skin tone, coloring etc is like my brother, who takes after my predominantly French background grandmother.

Again, Moon does not directly correlate with looks unless it's somehow connected to the Asc.

posted March 01, 2020 09:56 PM            

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Originally posted by ULT12:
@GCE:

Please tell me how MERCURY-1 makes sense.
In the first video, he says he doesn't plan/prepare(Mercury) really.

Nor is he talkative (in fact, really reserved -> Saturn-1).

If you've already explained how "not-real" charts fit but "real" charts don't, you will have to repeat. Short, direct and to-the-point, please. If I sense a narrative I will not read.

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Mercurians are always "talkative"? Does not Mercury rule the reticent, reserved Sign of Virgo? Why do you assume it always goes to the Gemini like side? I've seen Life readings in the EC work talk about people from the nonphysical dimension that Mercury symbolizes, where the guidance says that they are deep thinkers i.e. not shallow twits or socialites.

And would someone whose Rising is powerfully cusping Scorpio necessarily be outgoing? Especially considering that their Virgo Moon is already conjoined Virgo Saturn? I mean, I know a little something something about having Jupiter in the 1st, Mercury very strong, AND wouldn't you know it, but Virgo Saturn conjunct my Moon.

Despite being a Capricorn Sun and Mercury, despite having N. Node, Jupiter, Mars, and Saturn in Virgo, despite having early Libra Moon cusping Virgo and conjunct Virgo Saturn, and having a very strong Mercury i.e. conjunct my ruling Planet along with all that Virgo--well I don't actually plan all that much either. I kind of live life day by day for the most part. And whattya know, I can be very reserved and reticent, but I can also be very outgoing and friendly at times.

But you know who might be really outgoing, extroverted, etc. Someone with Leo Rising with Leo Jupiter closely conjunct same, with their ruling Planet in Sagittarius. My Grandfather had Leo Rising with Leo Mars in the first and his ruling Planet, the Sun in Sagittarius and Moon in Virgo. The guy was one of those types that could and would walk up to literally anyone and start a chat, spin a yarn/tell an amusing story, crack some jokes, etc. A lot of Fire and/or Yang energy often equals extroverted.

But yes, not planning doesn't seem to argue strongly for Mercury Rising, but neither does it completely argue against it.

I don't know much about the guy--I was basing the guesstimate less on personality and more on his looks and that a former, serious relationship was with a Sag. Sun. I also said that very late Cancer Rising cusping Leo with Leo Jupiter WIDELY conjunct his Asc is quite possible, in fact would be my 2nd, close choice.

Considering what you are saying about his personality, it might fit him better personality wise than the very early Sag powerfully cusping Scorpio Asc. Never claimed certainty about his Rising, which is why I literally prefaced it all with "First guess would be..."

The thing about personality though is that we have freewill, and our environment can shape and affect us as well. Personality is more mutable than our genetics, wouldn't you say?

So if the looks don't fit, I would be more concerned and focused on that, than just personality stuff. Also check life events to transits.

If one of these two proposed charts, either very early Sag or very late Cancer doesn't fit these as well, I'd be surprised. But, what I can tell you is this, middle Leo Rising closely conjunct Leo Jupiter with Rising ruler, Sun in Sagittarius doesn't fit his looks. That's one thing I am fairly certain of.

posted March 01, 2020 10:34 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Selena Gomez another LEO riser with a dark complexion! oh wow well look at that! She has MC in Taurus too and Mars in Taurus in the 10H so she too has an earth placement but it does not aspect her AC at all, how weird? how could that be?, her mars in taurus does not aspect her AC but is in her 10H house and she has MC in Taurus. Again other things factor into looks other than the AC sign.

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First, you seem to assume her chart is 100% completely accurate. Again, I never assume that. 2nd Selena Gomez also has Aqua Saturn opposed her Mercury Venus conjunction conjunct her Asc.

Not sure what your point about Taurus MC and Moon is all about?

I have Taurus MC, and I have early Libra Moon cusping Virgo, with Virgo Saturn conjunct same. That would be a medium dark combo. Again, I'm not dark whatsoever. These literally have nothing to do with physical looks, but certainly my middle of the Sign, Leo Rising, with ruler in close aspect to Asc point, and Sun in closeish trine to Mars, does. I look very Leo-Solar combo, with dash of Mars.

Now, my brother with Virgo Rising, has more of a medium skin tone, and can tan pretty deeply whereas I just tend to burn. He has dark hair and darker green eyes. If I had to pick a nationality to describe him, I would say southern, Mediterranean French.
IF his Rising wasn't closely cusping Leo, he'd probably be a bit darker than he is. Interestingly, he has Venus Mars conjunction closely conjunct his Asc, and his ruling Planet--Mercury is at 0 degrees and some change Libra. He is very good looking, and also has a strong, naturally athletic body with a good amount of vitality, and though he is noticeably darker than me--he has this slight reddish/copper undertone (like some Native American tribes), even when he is tan. Not that it matters, but his MC is Gemini and his Moon is Scorpio. But that doesn't connect to his looks at all.

I on the other hand, look very Highland Scot with some Germanic thrown in.

posted March 01, 2020 10:54 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
It doesn't matter how much someone appears to know or be an expert, don't ever trust anything anybody says just bc they speak with authority and talk about how much they have read and how much they know ect.......I have studied Astrology too for over 20 years and I am still learning and is why I like lindaland bc I can be the eternal student here.

I highly recommend you trust your own mind and your own gut ALWAYS, anything you read no matter who says it including me read it with a grain of salt and with a questioning critical mind bc usually the more a person thinks they know, the less they know.

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One of my personal motto's, and fairly consistent advice to people is open minded skepticism or skeptical open mindedness to all sources of information, including oneself. So, I agree with you there.

But you know what I have found that is even better than listening to one's own conscious, personality mind/intellect with it's various ego distortions, etc? Is setting the intention of, "I deeply desire and ask to connect with only the most spiritually expanded, helpful, aware, loving, and creative-constructive sources".

Then meditate after stating such an intention, and during one's meditation, remember a time, a moment when you felt a love and/or gratitude. Let those feelings well up in you. (this raises one's vibratory rates and makes it easier to consciously connect with very fast vibratory levels and beings).

Then, go within, and ask those same above, most expanded etc source a question with no preconceptions or belief as to the answer or how the answer will come. Ask with a blank or beginners mind. Then go even deeper within, get really still and just listen.

The practice of this method is how I was able to doubly blow Sidney Kirkpatrick's mind with accurate past life information AND bringing it up just after he started thinking about it.

I seem to remember advising you do this in relation to your Ascendant. Did you ever try this? And if you did, why would start a thread asking other's opinions about the topic?

Well anyways, I've found this method not only far superior to listening to fellow humans, but also superior to listening to one's own conscious, personality mind. If everyone practiced this consistently and sincerely, this world would be VERY different I suspect. Because we certainly would be fooled a lot less by others and various so called authority figures such as politicians, spiritual teachers, religious leaders, shady car mechanics, salespeople, corporations, etc, etc and fooled less by ourselves.

It's one of the only ways to get out the human bag of distorted perceptions and belief systems, and it's something that I have been practicing for a number of years, which is why I have the wisdom I have. Because I have enough humility to know that my conscious, personality mind does not compare to the wisdom of my Expanded/Spirit self, the Source, the Co-Creator of my Spirit and this Universe, etc, and so I listen to them rather than listening to my ego/personality mind or fellow, in the bag humans.

posted March 01, 2020 11:55 PM            

Most of us see some definite Fixed sign stuff going on, in my case I see that as connected to Rising very closely cusping Scorpio with ruling Planet in Leo.

We're seeing some kind of Jupiter or Sag energy strong. They have similarities, though are also a bit different.

And we're seeing some Leo energy.

Even if I switch it to the late Cancer Rising cusping Leo powerfully, there are still similar themes going on, but with some Virgo and Saturn thrown in as well, but this fits his height AND coloring better than the 40 minute or so later chart proposed by another.

So, in a very real sense, we are actually agreeing more than we are disagreeing.

One thing you learn when you start to practice psychic/intuitive tuning in, is that the right brain tends to work better with "next closest thing" and generalities better than with super specific details.

For example, while taking the Gateway Voyage program at The Monroe Institute, we did a remote viewing practice. We were only given a random set of numbers to symbolically represent/connect to the target.

What I picked up was this large, arching, but thin structure and metal. Then I also sensed water, tall buildings, and the sense of a city.

The target, when revealed, ended up being the St. Louis Arch, which I was not consciously aware of previously. The information I picked up, was more general, and yet they were clear hits though I didn't actually pick up the target itself in a concrete, super linear/specific sense. A woman in our group of 22, picked up even some more details than myself. I was very impressed by her remote viewing session.

(In remote viewing, you are actually discouraged from attaching a specific label to the target, but rather encouraged to focus on what you are sensing. I.E. don't try to name/identify the target, but pick up information about it. Why, because it keeps the left hemisphere/intellectual mind from overly interfering or blocking the psychic reception of the right hemisphere of the brain and the Yin side of our consciousness).

posted March 06, 2020 08:09 AM            

lmao, oh my