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posted February 29, 2020 03:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ULT12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I feel his ASC is obvious, esp when you see his chart (no time): http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Shaun_Morgan

In this case, videos >>> images.
Video #1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmLAdUOBuN0
Video #2 (to fully see his body, first min or so is enough): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl4inxMKFk0

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posted February 29, 2020 04:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First guess would be 0 to 1 degree Sagittarius, powerfully cusping Scorpio, and with ruling Planet, Jupiter in Leo.

Mercury not quite close enough to thin/lengthen him out as is somewhat common with Mercury conjunct Asc.

But the combination of strong Scorpio cusping, and Leo shading in with the Sag, indicates a thicker, heavier, more square build. Sagittarius contributes to the above average height, though shortened (and darkened) by Scorpio some.

Also, there is a kind of fierce, "wild" type energy that is common among the Sag-Scorp or Scorp Sag cusp, which he seems to have. Would be even more overt and dramatic with Leo also shading in.

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posted February 29, 2020 12:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for girlwiththerainysoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am not familiar with this artist, but looking at his google pics, my first guess would be Taurus.

Other guesses: Gemini, Capricon, Leo.

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posted February 29, 2020 02:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ULT12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
I am not familiar with this artist, but looking at his google pics, my first guess would be Taurus.

Other guesses: Gemini, Capricon, Leo.



The guessing was meant to be off appearance/vibe, so not being familiar is OK.

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posted February 29, 2020 02:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I picked up on earth with fire immediately and then I see he has sun in sag and moon in virgo! I totally see the virgo/sag blend in him. Hard to tell the AC but I feel there is some leo in addition to the virgo and saggy. Let me look at chart again, oh there you go jupiter ruling his SUN is in LEO....huh

Leo riser with jupiter near the AC is my guess, would explain the weight too.

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posted February 29, 2020 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I loved his "Broken" song and I didn't think he looked like "that"

What about Pisces?

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posted February 29, 2020 04:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Librapurr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I love his powerful voice. In live, it sounds as good as recording.
It’d be better to look at his younger pictures, he seems more reserved there. Also, he reminds Jack Black when he doesn’t do serious face - AS Cancer.

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posted February 29, 2020 09:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ULT12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Librapurr:
I love his powerful voice. In live, it sounds as good as recording.
It’d be better to look at his younger pictures, he seems more reserved there. Also, he reminds Jack Black when he doesn’t do serious face - AS Cancer.

The Jack Black comparison is interesting.
example, this showed when I searched for him and a small wikipedia blurb was on the side: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/2016_RiP_Tenacious_D_-_Jack_Black_-_by_2eight_-_8SC8891.jpg/800px-2016_RiP_Tenacious_D_-_Jack_Black_-_by_2eight_-_8SC8891.j pg

My guess was/is Leo ASC w/ Jupiter conj. When chart guessing I do simple-and-dirty Equal House setups. Morgan's ASC Ruler would be in H5, indicating his gravitation towards music(creativity, self-expression, etc). MC Taurus is another point for music. By contrast, Black's MC Ruler is in H5 - fitting his wide scope of career in the entertainment biz.

But the two do look awfully similar and are alike sort of superficially-only. Maybe Morgan has a late Cancer ASC so his Jupiter is still in H1 and his ASC Ruler is in H2 ... and some missing/duplicate House Cusps.

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posted February 29, 2020 10:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They are both big guys but look to me very different physically and the way they carry themselves is very different, Shaun is not very loud and has this quiet easy going grounded quiet artist vibe in how he comes off but Black Jack is loud and with excess energy and not grounded and all over the place LOL.

Add he has Mercury conjunct Uranus and Jupiter in the 3H in combo with chart ruler moon square mars, too much racing thoughts and too much energy for my taste.

I like Shaun's personality, not at all Black Jack's personality, no thanks.

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posted February 29, 2020 10:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am trying to figure out why Black Jack feels so energetic and all over the place to me, like his energy spills over but in a unsettle-ling way like is not grounding and with sun in virgo and moon in pisces like me I am like WTF, I would think he would feel more laid lack and chill but I get mars out of control from him, not how I have experienced moon in pisces in myself or others...and there it is! HE has MOON square MARS ruling his chart!

I have moon in pisces square neptune in saggy, wow our squares are even in the same sign but mars is squaring his moon instead of neptune and that totally changes the energy, he is an energizer bunny that cannot contain his energy since pisces is not good with boundaries and squaring his abundant mars in saggy, in my case I need to keep in check my neptune and its tendency towards over-compassion and wanting to rescue others when is not a good idea at all bc people need to rescue themselves and that is the only way people can break their negative cycle, grow and thrive.

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posted February 29, 2020 10:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good Rock Music, reminds me of Pearl Jam.

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posted February 29, 2020 11:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ULT12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Good analysis of Black. Judging by his Big3 you'd expect someone way more subdued/quiet, but perhaps ASCRuler-square-Mars really affects things. Pisces and Cancer both are very very influenceable/impressionable/changeable/whatever.


I'm inclined to believe Morgan has Saturn-1 (and Moon-1 as well). Would totally explain why he's so 'down-tuned'.

Jupiter might not even be conj his ASC. Donald Trump is a late Leo ASC and is heavyset and has a short, square face.

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posted February 29, 2020 11:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ULT12:
^ Good analysis of Black. Judging by his Big3 you'd expect someone way more subdued/quiet, but perhaps ASCRuler-square-Mars really affects things. Pisces and Cancer both are very very influenceable/impressionable/changeable/whatever.


I'm inclined to believe Morgan has Saturn-1 (and Moon-1 as well). Would totally explain why he's so 'down-tuned'.

Jupiter might not even be conj his ASC. Donald Trump is a late Leo ASC and is heavyset and has a short, square face.


Well Trump has Mars right on his AC which you would think would generate a thinner frame, more athletic but his MOON in SAGGY in the 4H trines his Mars on the AC and I feel he eats his emotions and this gives him rounder features.

LOOK at him as a child, you can totally see the MOON influence on his MARS which conjuncts his AC, he looks the same is incredible!
http://www.snopes.com/fact-check/young-donald-trump-photo/

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posted February 29, 2020 11:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Trump here as a young man and slim, you can totally see the Mars on the AC, the sun in gemini and still that moon trine to his Mars...
http://www.businessinsider.com/unglamorous-first-jobs-of-successful-people-2016-11

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posted February 29, 2020 11:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ULT12:

I'm inclined to believe Morgan has Saturn-1 (and Moon-1 as well). Would totally explain why he's so 'down-tuned'.


That makes sense! He seems very down to earth for a leo riser yet I think he is a leo riser so moon in the 1H in virgo would explain how the moon in virgo is overpowering how he comes off.

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posted February 29, 2020 11:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Unless Planets are in actual conjunction with the Asc point or with the ruling Planet of the Asc, they don't correlate with the looks. It's not enough to just be in the First House.

However, if they are on the 1st, they will be very strong in the psyche and life.

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posted February 29, 2020 11:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Librapurr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He had drugs, alcohol and emotional problems what could alternate his appearance. He says he couldn’t be vulnerable and did not feel free to express emotions from childhood.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/brick-brick/201705/walking-through-the-emotional-desert-shaun-morgan

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posted February 29, 2020 11:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is your opinion Galactic and I don't agree with you.

Like with TRUMP his MOON in the 4H Trine his Mars which conjuncts his AC is very evident in how he looks yet his moon does not trine his AC and his MARS does not rule his AC but bc his Mars conjuncts his AC and his MOON rrines his Mars it did influence how he looks.

Also with this artist SHAUN you can very clearly see his SUN in SAGGY and his MOON in Virgo in how he looks, often you can see the SUN clearly in how someone looks actually and this is why most articles about astrology state if you have SUN or Ascendant in such and such sign you will have the following features....THE AC rules the head and how we interact with the world, first impressions, it is not the sole factor in how we look, other placements in our chart can also influence how we look, this is why many members here like to see the chart and keep that in mind when guessing someone's ascendant.

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posted March 01, 2020 12:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Librapurr:
He says he couldn’t be vulnerable and did not feel free to express emotions from childhood.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/brick-brick/201705/walking-through-the-emotional-desert-shaun-morgan

That is very fitting of moon conjunct saturn in virgo I would say...

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posted March 01, 2020 01:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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That is your opinion Galactic and I don't agree with you.

Like with TRUMP his MOON in the 4H Trine his Mars which conjuncts his AC is very evident in how he looks yet his moon does not trine his AC and his MARS does not rule his AC but bc his Mars conjuncts his AC and his MOON rrines his Mars it did influence how he looks.

Also with this artist SHAUN you can very clearly see his SUN in SAGGY and his MOON in Virgo in how he looks, often you can see the SUN clearly in how someone looks actually and this is why most articles about astrology state if you have SUN or Ascendant in such and such sign you will have the following features....THE AC rules the head and how we interact with the world, first impressions, it is not the sole factor in how we look, other placements in our chart can also influence how we look, this is why many members here like to see the chart and keep that in mind when guessing someone's ascendant.


If a Planet is in major aspect to a Planet that IS conjunct the Asc, then yes, that Planet will shade in some by virtue of that direct connection. Conjunction means "merging"/powerfully resonating. Whatever is connecting to the Planet merging with the Asc, will by virtue of that relationship/connection also resonate in some too.

However, the Moon and Saturn are far to far away from Leo to indicate anything about looks in Morgan's chart even if he had say 29 degree Leo Rising.

And NO, Sun, Moon, etc have very little to do with overt physical looks/traits in and of themselves. These have their correspondences, and it's not the body physical. We can't just mix and match as we see fit. There are rules, there is internally consistent logic, there is harmony.

The body physical is ruled by the Ascendant and it's related factors. A very ancient and pretty universal concept/observation.

This is not "opinion", and not "pop" astrology. This comes from serious study and the correlation of many different serious astrologers and looking at different ancient traditions plus 24 years of doing full charts.

If the Sun has a strong innate connection to looks, then wouldn't someone with Leo Rising, then especially have a very strong shading in of their Sun Sign?

Well, I have Leo Rising, and I can tell you that I don't look Capricorn at all, except in my height and vibe to some extent. And the height is more connected to the close inconjunct of the Sun to the Asc, and correlates well with the fact that I was born genetically missing a lower lumbar vertebrae. Capricorn relates a bit to that (testing, challenge, contraction, etc), but it's more about the Sun inconjunct (6th House, adjustment, and stress combo connotation) the LEO (spine/back) Asc.

I'm extremely Leo looking. Except for my height, I couldn't be anymore Leo looking.

But where is all this Capricorn? Where's my sharper, slighter features, where's my darker skin tone and pigmentation, where's my thick stranded but thinnish (density wise) hair (it's the exact opposite btw)?

Where's my slight, thin build? Where's my fast metabolism?

Yeah, even with Leo Rising, the Sun Sign of Capricorn is not shading in that much, because it's being overwhelmed by the combo of the Rising with the ruler, the Sun, closely in medium-major aspect to same.

Except for height, I couldn't look anymore opposite or unlike Capricorn. The Archetype of Capricorn Ascendant in relation to caucasians is very Semitic, and I'm extremely Celtic looking, which fits with Leo Rising + Sun in aspect to the Asc+ ruler (Sun) in closeish trine to Mars, very well. Correlates well with my coloring, skin tone, etc. I.e. reddish facial hair, very light blue gray eyes, freckles with ruddy complexion, etc. And unlike Capricorn, I build bulk muscle easily (Leo Rising + Sun trine Mars Jupiter conjunction), and am extremely strong for my size/weight. (I don't work at this though).

And this is even with a direct connection of the Sun to the Asc.

So much of astrology is rather subjective and anything goes (especially on forums). It's one of the least scientific and rigorous subjects imaginable. And now with the I-net, and people relying more and more on same, so much b.s. and misinformation is floating around. It's a like a really long and drawn out game of "telephone cups".

As to Morgan's "SAGGY" look, well didn't I say that I thought his Asc is most likely very early Sagittarius? He is not extremely Sagittarius looking though. He clearly has Scorpio and Leo shading in some.

Let's look at another alternative briefly since it's in relation to the Moon and Saturn: Virgo Rising in an archetypal sense, while it's probably the tallest of the Yin Signs (and is more easily affected by other conditions/factors, being mutable), it is not a "taller" Sign archetype in the general sense. If Moon and Saturn is near a Virgo Asc, then despite his ruling Planet, Mercury, being in the tall sign of Sagittarius, these two shorter indications combined with a very average height range of Virgo, would counterbaalnced to average to slightly below same.

At 6' 2" Morgan is slightly taller than average. Doesn't fit that pattern whatsoever. And if he had Leo Rising with Sun in Sagittarius, while being Caucasian, then he would be A LOT lighter unless Saturn or an Earth Sign was strongly and directly involved with his Asc. He'd likely even be taller than 6' 2" also, unless his Asc point was closely cusping Virgo or Cancer.

Also, his serious ex relationship with Amy Lee, well, wouldn't you know it, but she is a Sag Sun...

One partner's Sun being the same or opposite Sign of another partner's Rising is quite common.

Then also consider that Amy Lee has very early Sag Uranus, like 1 degree 40 minutes, which would be very closely conjunct a very early Sag Rising, which correlate well with their intense and extreme relationship, which continued it's extremity even after they broke up with her broadcasting to the world his issues, which he found very hurtful.

Uranus always corresponds to intense highs and lows and swinging back and forth between extremes. They also had some intense highs in their connection, which is why he is quoted as saying that even in at their worst, their relationship was better than his next one, which was even more solidly negative/toxic.

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posted March 01, 2020 07:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One of my favorite artists, by far. After looking at his chart, I can see why.

Something else to consider, if anyone is truly committed to figuring out his ASC. Shaun’s brother committed suicide several years ago by jumping off of a building. Shaun had said before that his brother was his best friend. Something as traumatic as that would probably involve an angle. That might help narrow it down, if you look at the transits and progressions occurring at that time.

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posted March 01, 2020 11:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
One of my favorite artists, by far. After looking at his chart, I can see why.

Something else to consider, if anyone is truly committed to figuring out his ASC. Shaun’s brother committed suicide several years ago by jumping off of a building. Shaun had said before that his brother was his best friend. Something as traumatic as that would probably involve an angle. That might help narrow it down, if you look at the transits and progressions occurring at that time.


Good idea !

Lets see......

Eugene jumped to his death shortly after midnight on Monday, 13 August 2007, from an eighth-floor window of the Radisson Hotel in Rapid City, South Dakota. According to police, no foul play was suspected in the death, and it was ruled a suicide after an investigation.[11] Morgan has 1308 tattooed on his four right fingers, and 2007 on his four left fingers, marking the date Eugene died. Seether's song "Rise Above This" is a tribute to Eugene.- wiki


If he has Jupiter in leo conjunct AC he would still have saturn in virgo in the 1H but his moon would fall right on his 2H.

This would mean Venus in scorpio would rule the house of siblings and he has venus conjunct uranus in scorpio in the 3H approaching his IC with Uranus conjuncting his IC by 5-6 degrees so very fitting of his brother's premature and sudden death.

That day Tr Uranus would be conjuncting his 8H cusp/South Node/Pholus stellium and trining his 3H ruler venus conjunct uranus in scorpio. Tr uranus was also opposing his moon and inconjuncting his Pluto so it was activating a lot in his chart Tr Uranus (moon, pluto, venus conjunct uranus, southnode and pholus on 8H cusp).

Will post chart with transits of that day soon.

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posted March 01, 2020 11:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Having Jupiter right on his AC would explain both his height and weight very well regardless of the sign, add his jupiter inconjuncts his Mars and forms a yod with his Vertex sextile mars in the 5H with this time of birth..

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posted March 01, 2020 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
His brother had sun conjunct mars in Aries with mars opposite pluto with Uranus in scorpio at critical degree known for endings, crisis or death (29)..no wonder he had the guts to jump off a building... so sad.

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posted March 01, 2020 03:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ULT12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
Shaun’s brother committed suicide several years ago by jumping off of a building. Shaun had said before that his brother was his best friend.

Aw, that's a bit sad.

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@hyp: Thanks for making the mock chart. I only said mb Jupiter wasn't conj ASC to make it so Saturn was in H1, but I see if he has a early Leo ASC it's there anyway. There are a couple placements that are other than I imagined, but knowledge of Morgan Personally I know not.

IMO Nodes-2/8 fits quite well, with my superficial knowledge/judgment (unlike SVirgo). Check the blurb for Rahu-2 on the page below and you're like yesss. It seems Vedic does not talk about how we have 'lots of experience/involvement' throughout life starting from our beginnings for Ketu/SNode which is a travesty, but if you apply that meaning to Ketu then being in H8(death, catastrophic loss) fits with his brother+closest friend committing suicide*.
Rahu: http://barbarapijan.com/bpa/Graha/Rahu/1Rahu_MainPage.htm
Ketu: http://barbarapijan.com/bpa/Graha/Ketu/1Ketu_main.htm

*Actually really interesting anecdote: I know someone with Ketu-8, her first husband committed suicide(they weren't together anymore but they had a child so they still had a connected relationship), and her/their son attempted suicide 20+ years later.

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