posted March 03, 2020 08:05 PM            

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To enjoy murdering someone takes a certain level of taste for gruesome things and torture and a lot of courage so Mars would definitely be involved for the courage piece and I am thinking venus for the taste thing. I can fantasize all day about straggling someone but my mars in leo in the 8th trine neptune on the AC and sextile pluto will not lift a finger to act on it unless she feels in danger and is self-defense but my instinct is to keep it in the fantasy realm and then let it go, I don't hold unto anger at all. I feel it intensely and then I let it go.

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Dare I point out the obvious?

Sounds a lot like a very strong combo of Scorpio and Pluto. Some, or many of us, cannot even "fantasize" about such things, let alone all day.

posted March 03, 2020 08:40 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Well, my "secret" is, I don't view you or anyone as an opponent, but as a friend (in a spiritual, detached sense).

Though, sometimes one does have to be a bit wary, or open eyed, of friends if the friends are a bit naughty and strongly Saturnian.

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In a war everyone is an enemy, your stray bullet might hit me don't you think? There is nothing to be wary of is there? It all finishes at the end of the day, and you are left with nothing...

posted March 03, 2020 08:46 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Dare I point out the obvious?

Sounds a lot like a very strong combo of Scorpio and Pluto. Some, or many of us, cannot even "fantasize" about such things, let alone all day.

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posted March 03, 2020 08:53 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
^ None of it is related to this.

Today is Wednesday right? Yesterday was tuesday.

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posted March 03, 2020 08:56 PM            

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^ I think the aries violence is short term, you don't go around licking blood and all that crap, Mars can have a temper but it comes and goes, its the outers and with Saturn that the things get really tricky, even Jupiter with its "beliefs" and "ideals", you get what I mean?

Turns out he has Mars conjunct Venus too, explains how he carried them out I guess.

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I bite, if I have to, to get someone off me. I kick. That's about it.

posted March 03, 2020 08:56 PM            

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Ohh my bad yesterday must have been Monday

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posted March 03, 2020 09:03 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I bite, if I have to, to get someone off me. I kick. That's about it.

I have Mars in Pisces trine Uranus/ascendant in Scorpio. Moon/Venus/SN conjunct the cusp of the 8th house. The closest I get to violence, is video games or movies (and I hated Pulp Fiction, but liked Peppermint).

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I can't take too much violence either in the moment, I need to get it off my chest quickly, or embrace it and become lucifer himself

posted March 03, 2020 09:04 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
I can't take too much violence either in the moment, I need to get it off my chest quickly, or embrace it and become lucifer himself

https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6fJ9FtwvoPh4izK0/giphy.gif

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posted March 03, 2020 10:40 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Dare I point out the obvious?

Sounds a lot like a very strong combo of Scorpio and Pluto. Some, or many of us, cannot even "fantasize" about such things, let alone all day.

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I don't have the energy to fantasize about that all day, it was a figure of speech.

Its very rare for me to feel this way actually and when I do its moments and then its gone.

posted March 03, 2020 11:25 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I don't have the energy to fantasize about that all day, it was a figure of speech.

Its very rare for me to feel this way actually and when I do its moments and then its gone.

My issue is that I forgive too easily, too much pisces and Neptune aspecting my big three, is stronger than my mars in the 8th unfortunately.

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posted March 03, 2020 11:30 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:

^ He wouldn't have Jupiter in 1st if he had an Aries Moon.

But I think you might be right

" Everybody has got good and evil in them. I’d like to be 100% evil, but I can’t. I’m too easy-going sometimes. Then again, while anger and hate are two things some people can cope with, I cannot. My anger and hate grow to a level that I cannot live comfortably with it. it causes me headaches and stuff. When I get angry, it’s an extreme form. It is the extreme. There is no inbetween. But there is with good and evil, and I am there."

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Interesting, I would love to take a peek at your chart.

You know with Moon in aries at 0 degrees you are right his Jupiter would fall at the beginning of his 12H and he would have capricorn rising with Saturn in Cappy conjuncting his AC by 6 degrees from the 12H.

Northnode and Pluto in the 8H fits him too.

posted March 04, 2020 12:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Franco:
wow, when was this topic full of messages? Ah ah

@ Aries23Degrees

Impeccable your words, very descriptive everything.

I appreciate all the input you have provided. Apparently we are talking about two poorly controlled energies that can reach these extremes.

You made me think a lot with your words

@hypatia238

Right now I am at work and I remember only the exact date of 1 of the murderers. He is only 19 years old and effectively has many of the malefic planets doing bad aspects of each other.

This is the natal chart of one of them
https://ibb.co/KzC65Wv

I will update when I verify other killer's data.

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If you give me his information I could use astro.com, I prefer to read charts using astro.com bc they include more details including degrees and an aspect table under the wheel and I feel it gives a better visual and more information, I love details since I am a virgo with mercury in virgo! the more info the better.

But wow is it possible he was wrongly accused and innocent?

I mean libra rising with venus in libra in the 12H exalted with moon in pisces trine jupiter and mars conjunct neptune. I just don't get the feeling this guy is a murderer or violent, it doesn't add up. Research is clear that there are people who end up wrongly accused in prison on death row.

"The study, published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences determined that at least 4% of people on death row were and are likely innocent. Gross has no doubt that some innocent people have been executed."

posted March 04, 2020 12:15 AM            

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I can't take too much violence either in the moment, I need to get it off my chest quickly, or embrace it and become lucifer himself

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I don't swing that way whatsoever, but he was a pretty sexy Lucifer. Isn't the actor a Scorpio Sun?

I think it's important that people maintain some conscious awareness of and attunement to their inner Mars, Saturn, and Pluto's. Sometime these energies are necessary or helpful, though they are double edged swords with one side sharper than the other.

I'm no stranger to them, believe it or not. After having experienced a lot of bullying throughout grade school, when I got to High School, I reached a limit of tolerance for it and decided that I wasn't going to passively take it anymore.

So, I started pushing back, and sometimes harder to get my point across.

But, I still held to certain rules and ethics. I never started conflicts. I gave people 3 strikes, and I never beat them to a dangerous point where they would be seriously injured. I remember one time I was trying to sleep in high school Spanish class, and this one guy wouldn't leave me alone.

After the 3rd time/3rd unnecessary poke, self unleashed the pent up Martian-Plutonian beast, and he went flying across the room. Mind you, he was older and bigger than me. But in all, his ego was more bruised than he was. It was little more than a shoving/dominance match to show him I wouldn't take his crap.

He showed up to my home later that day, under the pretense of asking me what the hell that was all about, because in the middle of talking he all of a sudden tried to sucker punch me. I dodged, got him in a headlock and let's just say that he got the worse of it, and when I let him go, he ran to his buddies car.

I remember when another guy kept picking on a younger, scrawny kid on the bus. Like giving him wedgies, making mean comments, etc. After X amount of times, and being irked that no one else seemed to care, well I put the fear of Jehovah into him and told him if you ever touch that kid again, you will not like what happens.

Violence has it's place, has it's time, when it's necessary or helpful. In this world, sometimes it is.

If I saw both those guys today though, I'd probably give them a hug, buy them a beer, and at least try to make them feel comfortable. While I'm very different now in a lot of ways, I still have that capacity for Fire, for anger, for violence IF it's necessary or helpful. Thankfully it hasn't been, and I certainly don't like tuning into that more red side of consciousness or self.

But, I recognize that the red is just as much part of the White/Clear Light as the green and blue is. Even my Teacher, who was Love personified, occasionally tapped into that side of consciousness and of self. I can imagine him flipping over the money changers tables in anger, making a whip of cords, and literally chasing them out of there, must have been pretty frightening to the bystanders there at the time.

"Oy Vey Yeshua, they're just trying to make an extra buck, who can blame them?"

And him shooting back, "Not in the Temple of Adonai, and not on my watch!"

(Personally, I think he was also sending a deeper message and to some extent, trying to provoke).

posted March 04, 2020 12:37 AM            

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posted March 04, 2020 02:23 AM            

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I don't swing that way whatsoever, but he was a pretty sexy Lucifer. Isn't the actor a Scorpio Sun?

I think it's important that people maintain some conscious awareness of and attunement to their inner Mars, Saturn, and Pluto's. Sometime these energies are necessary or helpful, though they are double edged swords with one side sharper than the other.

I'm no stranger to them, believe it or not. After having experienced a lot of bullying throughout grade school, when I got to High School, I reached a limit of tolerance for it and decided that I wasn't going to passively take it anymore.

So, I started pushing back, and sometimes harder to get my point across.

But, I still held to certain rules and ethics. I never started conflicts. I gave people 3 strikes, and I never beat them to a dangerous point where they would be seriously injured. I remember one time I was trying to sleep in high school Spanish class, and this one guy wouldn't leave me alone.

After the 3rd time/3rd unnecessary poke, self unleashed the pent up Martian-Plutonian beast, and he went flying across the room. Mind you, he was older and bigger than me. But in all, his ego was more bruised than he was. It was little more than a shoving/dominance match to show him I wouldn't take his crap.

He showed up to my home later that day, under the pretense of asking me what the hell that was all about, because in the middle of talking he all of a sudden tried to sucker punch me. I dodged, got him in a headlock and let's just say that he got the worse of it, and when I let him go, he ran to his buddies car.

I remember when another guy kept picking on a younger, scrawny kid on the bus. Like giving him wedgies, making mean comments, etc. After X amount of times, and being irked that no one else seemed to care, well I put the fear of Jehovah into him and told him if you ever touch that kid again, you will not like what happens.

Violence has it's place, has it's time, when it's necessary or helpful. In this world, sometimes it is.

If I saw both those guys today though, I'd probably give them a hug, buy them a beer, and at least try to make them feel comfortable. While I'm very different now in a lot of ways, I still have that capacity for Fire, for anger, for violence IF it's necessary or helpful. Thankfully it hasn't been, and I certainly don't like tuning into that more red side of consciousness or self.

But, I recognize that the red is just as much part of the White/Clear Light as the green and blue is. Even my Teacher, who was Love personified, occasionally tapped into that side of consciousness and of self. I can imagine him flipping over the money changers tables in anger, making a whip of cords, and literally chasing them out of there, must have been pretty frightening to the bystanders there at the time.

"Oy Vey Yeshua, they're just trying to make an extra buck, who can blame them?"

And him shooting back, "Not in the Temple of Adonai, and not on my watch!"

(Personally, I think he was also sending a deeper message and to some extent, trying to provoke).

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posted March 04, 2020 02:46 AM            

When he shows up to you in meditation and dreams both in relation to your present life and your past Egyptian life (not as Yeshua, but as Thoth/Hermes), you kind of just start to accept the truth after awhile.

My friend who lives in CA and who is one of the most Love attuned, and consciously aware of his guidance, people that I know told me that while he had Kundalini awakenings where the Kundalini went all the way to the top of the head, these did not compare to when Yeshua visited him during meditation and blasted him open.

The Kundalini in comparison felt weak and feeble to Yeshua's intense and pure Love energy that built up so much pressure in his crown that he worried that his head might pop off.

I've also had guidance dreams and messages, from both within and without, making comparisons between us. Should I be worried what you or any others think, when these messages have been repeating and consistent? It's sort of part of the whole package deal of having come in and talking about the whole 'dr. everywhere' thing since a youngin of 4. Basically, my 4 year old self still knew the truth, that I came in, like Yeshua, to be a dr. to everyone, everywhere, and that I would always be there for every and anyone. Why, because I was filled to the brim with unconditional and universal love, acute empathy and compassion for and towards others suffering.

Why not try an experiment? Ask Yeshua to come and work with you, to be your teacher as well? I'm sure he'd be glad to work on some facilitating for you. He's an equal opportunity Teacher and doesn't discriminate.

But, best be sure that you're ready to make certain changes, because once you go Transcendent Jew, life can get a little blue (at times). Or, as that same friend in CA told me, that one time in meditation, his guidance appeared to him as White Light, showed him White Light as a doorway, and then asked, "Do you want to make the change?" He said yes.

Again he was asked, "Do you want to make the change?"

See, Guidance was impressing on him, be really sure, because once this process starts, it doesn't really stop. And it's not easy. It is the most difficult path that one could ever walk while being connected to a human form in this still Kali Yuga type cycle. Yeah, in a thousand years, it won't be a thing anymore, and pretty much every human alive will be there. Easy peezy then.

posted March 04, 2020 01:15 PM            

Nah, not warm blooded courage, but calm surrender. There is a need to more consciously accept, attune to, and integrate the Yin side.

At points, the process may take some courage as well, and it would be very unhelpful to chuck out the Yang side completely, but what is ideal is perfect balance/synthesis/integration and eventually--merging between the two. This is the marriage where the two become one within.

posted March 04, 2020 03:37 PM            

Adolf Hilter had Sun in Taurus, Moon in Capricorn. Should he define in any way, shape, or form what to expect (or fear) from someone else (like me) who also has that luminary combination? No, of course not.

It's not what the signs or the astrology 'do to you'. It is how you make use of them!

How do you make use of the more emotive, feeling energies of the water signs? How have you resolved to develop and express them?

Same with any other combination.

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You could look to [b]any combination of Sun and Moon signs and find examples of reprehensible human behavior. That would be to focus on standout behaviors that make the news. Why?

Adolf Hilter had Sun in Taurus, Moon in Capricorn. Should he define in any way, shape, or form what to expect (or fear) from someone else (like me) who also has that luminary combination? No, of course not.

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posted March 05, 2020 07:54 AM            

Richard Ramirez was a pisces sun, mercury, and moon. I'm also these placements as well but I am not a psychopatic murderer. I love animals, I volunteer at a local animal shelter. I have a natural affinity with animals which is why I stopped eating meat 3 years ago.

I have a lot of 8th house/pluto activity as well. My Pisces sun/mercury/moon is in 8th house which all trine pluto. My pluto squares my Leo ascendant. This also means my chart ruler (sun) is in the 8th house. So I have a lot of pisces and pluto energy. I'm extremely empathetic, I believe I am an empath but I have learned to navigate the world by putting barriers up so that I am not impacted by other's negativity and pain. I'm extremely intuitive and soak up others energies like a sponge, so I had to learn how to protect myself. I also hate violence. I can't even watch boxing or UFC. It actually really upsets me (and I have an aries mars!)

I think the pisces/pluto energies in myself manifests in that I like watching Dateline and listening to crime podcasts. However, I haven't been able to do so in many months because a coworker of mine and her daughter were brutally murdered by her husband. She wanted a divorce and they were due in court the next day to finalize it. He broke into the house and decapitated her, almost decapitated their daughter, and hung himself in the daughter's bedroom. I haven't been able to listen to any crime/murder show or podcast since. It just broke my heart too much and I see these shows very differently now.

posted March 05, 2020 01:18 PM            

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I think the pisces/pluto energies in myself manifests in that I like watching Dateline and listening to crime podcasts. However, I haven't been able to do so in many months because a coworker of mine and her daughter were brutally murdered by her husband. She wanted a divorce and they were due in court the next day to finalize it. He broke into the house and decapitated her, almost decapitated their daughter, and hung himself in the daughter's bedroom. I haven't been able to listen to any crime/murder show or podcast since. It just broke my heart too much and I see these shows very differently now.

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Wow Polka So sorry to hear this!

May they rest in peace.

posted March 05, 2020 01:57 PM            

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Richard Ramirez was a serial killer sociopath. There are thousands of others like him. Just because they have a certain astrological placement, doesn't mean that someone who shares a similar placement will be destined to follow in their footsteps. It's all about how someone is raised, what their childhood is like, and if they have serious mental issues. Richard Ramirez was murdering animals as a child, which is a common trait of sociopath killers.

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Sorry to hear about what you've been through.

As to the above, there are some common misconceptions in there. I've done a lot of research into psychopathy because I'm pretty sure my step father is one. One of the foremost researchers in the field, is Dr. Hare. He wrote a book called "Without Conscience: The Disturbing World of Psychopaths Among Us".

While legally, children below the age of 18 cannot be diagnosed with ASPD, Hare talks about a number of child cases in his book, where the children, some very young, clearly exhibit strong psychoopathic tendencies, behaviors, and basic attunement.

What is interesting is that, a number of them are in psychologically healthy and loving families, and they have siblings that have normal levels of empathy and conscience.

In fact, there is even a case of identical twin sisters, where one is clearly psychopathic, and one is clearly not.

Throws a bit of a monkey wrench into a lot of the mainstream myths and theories about how it has to be nature, nurture, or a combination of both.

When head injuries are not involved, what it really comes from is a spiritual, past developement thing. Many psychopaths are born that way, because they have used their spiritual freewill to become ever slower vibratory. When they incarnate, they bring over these strong traits and tendencies of extreme selfishness, extreme sense of separateness from others, lack of empathy, lack of conscience, etc.

Maybe at some other point or some other life, maybe they were beat or mistreated, and that started them on a limiting trajectory. But sometimes, Souls just choose to use their freewill in limiting ways, and it's just a matter of degrees.

If we were all using our freewill as we could and should, we would all be super Love attuned, Yeshua types, and yet, few are even relatively close. That's a long story and involves the origins of the physical level and the influence of this dimension and bodies on Souls.

But, I have found definite patterns in psychopathic charts when it's innate/born, and not a head injury contributing, provided the charts are accurate or adjusted to be more accurate (as to looks, personality, life events, etc).

Basically the over arching pattern that is very common is that the slowest vibratory PLANETS (Signs figure little into these patterns all in all) i.e. Saturn, Mars, Pluto, and/or Mercury are often very strong, while the faster vibratory Planets like Venus, Neptune, Jupiter, and/or Sun tend to be weak. Venus, is really not so much "fast vibratory" but mid vibratory.

Each of the Planets correspond to one of the 7 major endocrine glands that also relate to the concept of Chakras.

Saturn, Mars, Pluto, and Mercury all connect to the first 3 centers.

Venus connects to the 4th Center i.e. the thymus (sometimes called the "heart chakra", but a bit of misnomer).

And the rest of the Planets (except Moon, she also is below the 4th, but she doesn't contribute to outlining/correlating with psychopathy), correspond to the upper, faster vibratory Centers i.e. the 5th and 6th.

Basically, people who come in with strong tendencies towards psychopathy, are EXTREMELY and very strongly focused in their first 3, slowest vibratory Centers, and have little awareness or attunement to the faster vibratory Centers. More specifically, Saturn in particular is often the strongest/most predominant Planet by Planetary placement (not Signs i.e. Cap and Aqua).

It really is and has been a clear pattern. But people get confused by "Signs". Again, the Signs don't seem to relate as much as core, Planetary attunement.

In fact, the notorious 3, Richard Ramirez, Ted Bundy, and Edmund Kemper all have extremely powerful Saturns when their charts are adjusted for holistic accuracy. (Most of these are fairly close as is).

This is not surprising to me, Edgar Cayce indicated that Saturn corresponded to the experience of rare/unusual "Soul death" where a Soul so cuts itself off from Source, from Love, from positivity and goes so far to the "dark side" (absence of Light) that it can experience a sort of unconscious, unwanted/unasked for, Soul suicide, which is sort of a like a spiritual/consciousness entropy process.

There are numerous examples of those with predominant Saturn in their charts, that when they got Life Readings, often times their strong selfish and materialistic sides were touched on.

This can and sometimes was counter balanced by other Planets strong in their Life readings, such as say Venus, Neptune, Jupiter, etc.

In other words, they just had some unusually selfish tendencies, but were not full psychopaths, where there was a total lack of empathy and conscience. Just your normal selfish, overly materialistic "prick" types.

As far as Saturn representing this ultimate lack of Light, well there had to be SOME symbol in our little solar system and in our lexicon of symbols that had to represent it, otherwise our lexicon would remain incomplete.

Ever notice how similar the words Saturn and Satan are. In the original Hebrew, Ha Satan is not so much a specific, individual figure, but generally represents the concepts of tempter, spiritual adversary, distracter, and in rebellion to God. Basically, anti-Light. If God is primarily Love, then Ha Satan is that of lack of Love or anti-Love.

Basically, what Cayce's guidance outlined, is that Saturn represents and correlates with a similar role and theme. But, in most people's cases, it most often just represents really trying and challenging times that are tests for the Soul so that it can grow. In that sense, it's actually a positive symbol.

However, with VERY strong Saturn, either natally or transit (such as going through one's First), it tends to coincide with the "dark side" of our nature becoming stronger, more active, and more influencing. Basically the ego part of us gets amped up for a time.

It's not a black and white thing that everyone with strong Saturn is a psychopath or any such nonsense as that. But, if a person, with an accurate chart, has all their strongest emphasis on Saturn, Mars, Pluto, and Mercury, with little to none on the faster vibratory, more Love attuned symbols, then certainly the "odds increase" of them being towards that spectrum.

We get caught up with the whole serial killer type psychopaths, and forget that the average psychopath, of which there are MANY more of than the serial killer kind, are all around us, and just as likely to be a cop, a lawyer, a media person, a surgeon, a CEO, a sharp shooter for the military, etc, etc i.e. a "higher functioning psychopath" so called, who, I suppose in a sense might positively contribute to society some when they are not throwing their power and ego around as they are want to do.

But they are all dangerous, and they all completely lack empathy and conscience. It's just that most of them keep their darker impulses reigned in because they do have some "fear" of being found out, imprisoned, etc. They will try to get away with what they can, but they are smart and controlled enough to not let every dark impulse take control.

What's interesting, is how quite often, the serial killer psychopaths, often tend to have rather psychically sensitive charts. It seems like often times they become influenced by or become vassals to energies even originally darker than themselves.