posted March 03, 2020 09:15 AM            

So their communication with each other can even turn telepathic. They can be so in tune with each other that they find it hard to assess where one starts and the other ends. More so Pisces really.

Pisces can be a masochist. This because they borrow from Virgo-their polar opposite. Virgo is into that stuff. That whole "I am a bad boy/girl who is unworthy and needs to be punished" etc.

Scorpio on the other hand,is tied with Cap in being a sadist. Or into things of that nature.

So when Scorpio and Pisces get together, there can be "sado" (Sco)"masochism"(Pisc). The level of it dependent on the two people concerned.

As a natal combo,I would think Pisces would soften the Sco & have it less "controlling"? As Sharon Stone has the reverse i.e Pisces Sun and Moon in on Scorpio. And she appears so "fierce!" to me for a "let it flow" Pisces.

Also , let's not forget that Pisces wears many disguises and is "all encomapssing" I.e "all inclusive".In that Pisces can go to the extremes of sainthood /even martyrdom and then further down to the lows of cruelty.

As many Pisces we find who are everyday heros or and martyrs,saints etc. There is also an equal number who are child traffickers, molesters or rapists.

Whilst Scorpio energy incarnate to expose its dark side and embrace it progressively.Pisces energy incarnates to LOVE ALL of itself and merge with all of it.

Scorpio may be here to UNDERSTAND the dynamics between power and powerlessness, victim and victimizer-hence sexual/physical and emotional abuse is linked to Scorpio. Sexual violence/money dynamics/Safety & security is more Scorpio territory.

But Pisces is here to EXPERIENCE both I.e being the "victim" as well as the "victimizer".The prey as well as the predator.The hero as well as the villain etc.

The difference between the two energies is not always clear. But the former is more "intellectual" and investigative in its nature. Whilst the latter is more concerned with the embodiment of that role and not so much in intellectual dissection.

That's why ime Pisces energy finds it easy yo surrender , is more "chilled" and "aligned" with subtle energies- psychically "in tune" more than others (even more than Cancer & Scorpio).

Scorpio wants to mantain control. Be in control and master some aspect of the personality that remains illusive , "wild" and therefore subject to be vulnerable to enslavement by others.

Scorpio is very self protective or self preserving. They fear any form of subjugation but are(ironically) not above subjugating others.

To Pisces, we are all wearing masks and it is great to go out and be someone else at any given impulse. Anybody you choose.

Scorpio is attached to the mask they wear. They are more attached to the ego self that the mask affords them-so to speak.

People speak of Pisces being "weak" and Scorpio "strong". But who is really more free here(and therefore stronger)? Because freedom is really the ultimate strength.

Is it the one who screams and shouts to the Universe and insists on "control" (Sco) or the one who chills out and just "knows" that everything will always be under control(Pis)?

#this combo can at worst also be linked to voodoo,black magic and witchcraft.

As Scorpio Venus myself, my attraction to Pisces is because of their "willingness" to surrender control to me.

posted March 03, 2020 11:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Franco:
Hi everyone! Investigating my Scorpio sun and moon pisces combination, I am realizing that it is a seemingly brutal combination (in men) in my country, many passionate crimes of young people are happening and I was surprised that 2 of them are Scorpio / Pisces , both crimes very sick, making horrors with the bodies of the victims, and it is not the first known case of Scorpio / Pisces. So what's up here? My own experience is that this combo is very melancholic, emotionally unstable and an accumulation of bad feelings that end up in substance addiction. But my sensibility does not kill a fly, I am very empathetic, but as a moon in Pisces manages to commit a horrified crime. Do you know similar cases of this combo in men?

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My ex has the same combo as you and I agree he is empathetic and would not kill a fly! LOL I Mean there is no way he would murder someone, like NO WAY, he doesn't have it in him at all, he likes to make love, not war......he doesn't have that type of temper....

Now my husband I think if his temper is out of control enough maybe, like a crime of passion but he would hate all the blood and and he would not be gruesome at all about it (not into torture, hell I am the the one that wants to rough house and do some slapping around and he is not into that), hell he has a hard time watching Grey's Anatomy (surgeons opening people up), in his case it would be an accidental crime of passion type of thing, he would cry after and feel awful for a long time, he has Mars conjunct Uranus in scorpio on the DC with moon in Cancer.

Can you post the charts of these two young men? or give me their birth information. I would love to look at their mars aspects ect....

posted March 03, 2020 11:32 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Richard Ramirez was a triple Pisces and we can see how that turned out..so don't go by the looks of it, it might just turn into a shark

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By triple do you mean Sun, Mercury, and Moon? If so, then yes. Though his Moon and Mercury are very closely cusping Aries.

The chart up for him on astro.com is close but no cigars btw. A birth time of around 3:14 am fits him much better as to looks and energy. Saturn would become the predominant symbol, and definitely fits his looks a lot better (though there is both Sag and Jupiter shading in some, showing some increase in height over what Cap Saturn conjunct Cap Asc would normally correlate with).

But to get back to the issue at hand.

There are a number of people with above average psychic charts who become involved in some truly horrible things. It may seem perplexing at first, but when you understand that there are some very dark and very psychopathic non human beings involved with the earth and with humanity, who try to psychically attach to and influence humans, it is perhaps not so perplexing.

If a person with above average psychic sensitivity chooses to go to the "dark side" so called, they open themselves up to being influenced by beings potentially far darker than they started out as. After awhile of these attachments, they start getting more and more resonated to ever increasingly intense absence of Love and Light.

posted March 03, 2020 12:06 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
By triple do you mean Sun, Mercury, and Moon? If so, then yes. Though his Moon and Mercury are very closely cusping Aries.

The chart up for him on astro.com is close but no cigars btw. A birth time of around 3:14 am fits him much better as to looks and energy. Saturn would become the predominant symbol, and definitely fits his looks a lot better (though there is both Sag and Jupiter shading in some, showing some increase in height over what Cap Saturn conjunct Cap Asc would normally correlate with).

But to get back to the issue at hand.

There are a number of people with above average psychic charts who become involved in some truly horrible things. It may seem perplexing at first, but when you understand that there are some very dark and very psychopathic non human beings involved with the earth and with humanity, who try to psychically attach to and influence humans, it is perhaps not so perplexing.

If a person with above average psychic sensitivity chooses to go to the "dark side" so called, they open themselves up to being influenced by beings potentially far darker than they started out as. After awhile of these attachments, they start getting more and more resonated to ever increasingly intense absence of Love and Light.

Richard had some awareness/openness to the unseen levels of reality. Many psychopaths don't--they are firmly planted in terra firma/the physical. But he was into the concepts of Satan etc. He perhaps was somewhat unusual in that he willingly/consciously allowed himself to get influenced. With most people, it's unconscious.

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I think it might be power-driven, "it is good to be evil", turns out he is a Jupiter Rising, oh well ...

I think Pisces energy does have the capability of tapping into anything and then morphing into it easily...

posted March 03, 2020 12:20 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Richard Ramirez was a triple Pisces and we can see how that turned out..so don't go by the looks of it, it might just turn into a shark

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IDK much about this guy but he has MOON In pisces at 29 degrees and if he is violent I am willing to bet with confidence that his time of birth is off by a little and he actually has moon in ARIES at aries point.

I have slept with multiple moon in aries Man and they love guns and have this violent side even if they don't seem like it and are super nice. One of them the last time I spoke to him was having some strong homicidal ideation, he gets angry and goes through episodes were he just hates humans in general.

I mean someone with moon in aries square neptune would be quite different but he has moon in aries conjunct MARS exact and conjunct his SOUTHNODE in aries and not aspecting his NEPTUNE at all.

posted March 03, 2020 12:39 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
^ I think the aries violence is short term, you don't go around licking blood and all that crap, Mars can have a temper but it comes and goes, its the outers and with Saturn that the things get really tricky, even Jupiter with its "beliefs" and "ideals", you get what I mean?

Turns out he has Mars conjunct Venus too, explains how he carried them out I guess.

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Venus would soften the Mars but if his mars conjunt venus is in aquarius I guess that may be give him very out of the norm tastes but still I dont' think personally that is his mars conjunct venus, I think he has moon in aries and his moon in aries and his moon in aries then square JUPITER which amps up and expands and multiples what it touches specially via hard aspect. I feel is his moon in aries square jupiter, with moon at an angle and jupiter in an angular house that aspect has a lot power.

Even if Aries is quick in their anger you can do a lot of damage if you act on that "quick" anger and with jupiter in the 1H squaring that moon in aries it can linger. Then add strange tastes bc of venus conjunct mars in aquarius in combo with his attraction for violence with moon in aries square jupiter and that explains it perfectly for me.

posted March 03, 2020 12:43 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
I think it might be power-driven, "it is good to be evil", turns out he is a Jupiter Rising, oh well ...

I think Pisces energy does have the capability of tapping into anything and then morphing into it easily...

Put a wee bit of hunger for power and we have a combo where things might go south very fast, very quick, and very dangerous, just look at those damn teeth, I wonders if he got them before or after being influenced"

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As mentioned, that chart doesn't fit his looks whatsoever.

Sag Jupiter conjunct Sag Rising would correlate with a VERY BIG person. Both as to height and broadness.

Cap Rising with Cap Saturn conjunct Asc, and Sag Jupiter widely conjunct the Cap Asc and his Cap Asc cusping Sag a bit, fits his looks MUCH better. 6' 1", scrawny/wiry as all heck, and fairly dark pigmented. Oh yeah, and much more Saturian than Jupitarian in attunement.

Nah, hate to break it to you, another primary Saturian serial killer, like Edmund Kemper (his chart is a bit off too-has Leo Rising, but both charts are still predominant Saturn), Ted Bundy, etc.

Hmmm, on one hand, I could believe the average astrologer, or I could believe literally the most vast and verified psychic work in existence about the whole physical vs Soul/energetic birth time and the importance of the latter?

Such a hard choice...

posted March 03, 2020 12:52 PM            

But I think you might be right

posted March 03, 2020 12:52 PM            

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by hypatia238:
[B] Venus would soften the Mars but if his mars conjunt venus is in aquarius I guess that may be give him very out of the norm tastes but still I dont' think personally that is his mars conjunct venus, I think he has moon in aries and his moon in aries and his moon in aries then square JUPITER which amps up and expands and multiples what it touches specially via hard aspect. I feel is his moon in aries square jupiter, with moon at an angle and jupiter in an angular house that aspect has a lot power.

Even if Aries is quick in their anger you can do a lot of damage if you act on that "quick" anger and with jupiter in the 1H squaring that moon in aries it can linger. Then add strange tastes bc of venus conjunct mars in aquarius in combo with his attraction for violence with moon in aries square jupiter and that explains it perfectly for me.

He also has Uranus in the 8H opposing his Mars by sign and his Venus by aspect in the 2H. That is also factoring in.

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^ He wouldn't have Jupiter in 1st if he had an Aries Moon.

But I think you might be right

posted March 03, 2020 12:52 PM            

But I think you might be right

posted March 03, 2020 12:53 PM            

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
[b] I think it might be power-driven, "it is good to be evil", turns out he is a Jupiter Rising, oh well ...

I think Pisces energy does have the capability of tapping into anything and then morphing into it easily...

Put a wee bit of hunger for power and we have a combo where things might go south very fast, very quick, and very dangerous, just look at those damn teeth, I wonders if he got them before or after being influenced"

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As mentioned, that chart doesn't fit his looks whatsoever.

Sag Jupiter conjunct Sag Rising would correlate with a VERY BIG person. Both as to height and broadness.

Cap Rising with Cap Saturn conjunct Asc, and Sag Jupiter widely conjunct the Cap Asc and his Cap Asc cusping Sag a bit, fits his looks MUCH better. 6' 1", scrawny/wiry as all heck, and fairly dark pigmented. Oh yeah, and much more Saturian than Jupitarian in attunement.

Nah, hate to break it to you, another primary Saturian serial killer, like Ed Kemp (his chart is a bit off too-has Leo Rising, but both charts are still predominant Saturn), Ted Bundy, etc.

Hmmm, on one hand, I could believe the average astrologer, or I could believe literally the most vast and verified psychic work in existence about the whole physical vs Soul/energetic birth time and the importance of the latter?

Such a hard choice...

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Mehh if you are trying dismiss my point as having a trust on vast source of existence, then I say "mehh!"

Vast source of existence says that conception time is even more important, because that is the exact moment you choose the womb, now what?

Ted Bundy being dominated by Saturn wouldn't mean that Ramirez would be a Cap Rising, would it now?

And if he was a Saturn rising perhaps he would be more of an obedient child to law and order, considering he has a domicile Saturn?

But turns out his Saturn wouldn't be in the first house if he had an Aries Moon.(No, no turns out it would be an exact conjunction) you might be right though yeah, it would catch His Mars and Venus too.

posted March 03, 2020 01:16 PM            

It satisfies self's very strong Mercury, Capricorn, Virgo combo side of the chart. I like proof and evidence, and discern the shite out of stuff.

Plus, I have my own multiple experiences with the subject. For example, I wrote recently on WaxLobster's thread about the difference between my spouses physical and Soul/energetic birth time, and how she finally had a guidance dream confirming my intuition and holistic logic was correct.

Or, my rather psychic Mom telling me that she saw a light enter into my body awhile after the body was birthed.

When my Mom died, Saturn was at 12 degrees Taurus. My guesstimate, Soul/energetic birth time gives 10.5 degree Taurus MC, but my physical birth time gives 5 degree Taurus MC. It seems rather apparent that the Soul/energetic chart fits better.
It certainly makes sense that T. Saturn was closely aspected to the parental Axis (MC/IC) when she passed. But 7 degrees separating is quite far.

Then, having observed MANY charts over the years with accurate birth times that just don't fit the looks and personality of the person in question.

posted March 03, 2020 01:45 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
^ None of it is related to this.

Today is Wednesday right? Yesterday was tuesday.

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Yes and no.

If what that source says is correct, then this has huge ramifications for astrology in general, and especially for people that have correct physical birth times and yet potentially still have an inaccurate chart.

Also, y'all are WAY too Sign focused.

When we understand that Planetary attunement is more important than Sign attunement, then we start becoming better and more accurate astrologers.

Put 1 and 2 together, and you might see where I'm going with this leading.

One, we have to question charts more in general, and when we focus more on Planetary strengths, we begin to understand charts better.

It is not enough to focus on Scorpio and Pisces in combo. But, if that same Scorpio and Pisces combo person has say Saturn, Mars, and/or Pluto as their strongest Planets, well, won't they be rather different than say folks with Scorpio and Pisces strong, but with Venus, Neptune, Jupiter, and/or Sun as their strongest Planets?

Sometimes it helps to approach things indirectly, rather than directly. I've been approaching it rather directly of late, and thought I might try an indirect approach this time.

Btw, Edmund Kemper has Virgo Rising closely conjunct Virgo Saturn for the astro.com chart that is up for him.

Dude was 6'9" and very Germanic with a hint of Celtic looking.

But when we understand that his true chart is probably late Leo Rising with Sun in Sagittarius trine his Asc and very closely opposed Gemini Uranus, and his ruling Planet, the Sun Sag is moderately conjunct Mercury.

posted March 03, 2020 01:48 PM            

You beat around the bush too much don't you think?

posted March 03, 2020 01:55 PM            

Lord "Jupiter" needs to come back!

I think it just might be how things roll in different galaxies, but in the middle of an argument, its basically going north to get to south, and your opponent is like "mann

posted March 03, 2020 03:56 PM            

@ Aries23Degrees

Impeccable your words, very descriptive everything.

I appreciate all the input you have provided. Apparently we are talking about two poorly controlled energies that can reach these extremes.

You made me think a lot with your words

@hypatia238

Right now I am at work and I remember only the exact date of 1 of the murderers. He is only 19 years old and effectively has many of the malefic planets doing bad aspects of each other.

This is the natal chart of one of them
https://ibb.co/KzC65Wv