posted March 05, 2020 02:01 PM            

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Originally posted by polkadotstars:
Thanks hypatia

I'm a pisces sun, moon, mercury, all right on top of each other. I like my Leo rising. It's so different than my mom's Virgo rising. She is always worrisome and feels a lot of anxiety if she can't control something. I love her to death but she has a lot of anxiety. Her mind is constantly racing of checklists, what to do, what hasn't been done, that sometimes she gets little sleep. My leo rising is all like, "eh it'll work out mom". And she's like thinking of what is wrong, focusing on the negative aspects of certain situations, and being super critical of details. I definitely see the benefits of a Virgo rising though. She's so detail oriented. I love taking her to look at open houses with me because she notices every little detail that would need to be fixed, that 99% of people don't notice. Nothing can get past her. And she's so type A, clean, and organized. When she sold her house, the realtor (who is a family friend) wrote on the house description online, "Mrs. Clean lives here!". lol! She of course had all of this anxiety about selling it, and made a laundry list of things that still needed to be done because the house looked "terrible", had major anxiety and stress about it, and worrying about what to do if it wouldn't sell, and wasn't getting much sleep because of it. The house was in tip top shape and was beautiful btw. It had a bidding war 2 days after it went on the market, and sold at a higher price than it was asking for. I guess with Virgo risings, they can't help but stress and worry because they see the details not all of us see. They could use a little bit of optimistic-Leo in their life to balance them out. My dad was a Leo sun, and he was her balance. He passed away this fall.

And then you have my husband who is the epitome of Aqua rising. It's hilarious to me because he doesn't believe in astrology at all. He's very science based, analytical, 'i want data supporting it or else it doesn't exist' kind of person. He likes what he likes, despite it not being popular. He marches to beat of his own drummer. He's such an aqua it makes me laugh. Plus his chart ruler is in the 11th house as well. He has a lot of Aqua energy. So you know my Leo self/Aqua DSC is like, "oh heeey!" lol.

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I think your stellium in pisces is like "relax mom it will work out" but yes your leo riser that is sunny and playful also feels she needs to have some fun and relax.

I don't think she is like that just bc she has virgo rising, there is more going on in her chart. I wonder if her mercury is in a cardinal sign and aspecting both her moon and mars? Can you post her chart?

"And then you have my husband who is the epitome of Aqua rising. It's hilarious to me because he doesn't believe in astrology at all. He's very science based, analytical, 'i want data supporting it or else it doesn't exist' kind of person."

posted March 05, 2020 06:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
I have a 29Virgo57 ascendant ... and, prior to my First Saturn Return, "what you saw is what you got" - reinforced by a Mercury ruler in no-stone-left-unturned Scorpio/2nd, with which I identified strongly.

However, by the end of the second Saturn Cycle, I identified primarily with the higher octave of Mercury (Uranus in Gemini/9th, and on MC) ... although the Virgo/Mercury me is still very visible, both to others and to myself.

But, rather than a mask, I consider it to be akin to the clothing one habitually wears when in the presence of others.

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That's interesting, I also went through a change after my Saturn return, as mentioned above. But since my ascendant is in the sign of Saturn, I felt Saturn more heavily.
Has the true ruler of Virgo yet revealed? It is not Mercury. Linda said it was Vulcan. I sometimes wonder whether Chiron and to-be-revealed Vulcan are one and the same. They are not the same mythological figures. But who knows. Maybe they named Vulcan Chiron.

posted March 05, 2020 07:10 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
The Ascendant is like a channel through which all the rest of the Chart flows through, and thus gets colored by. That's speaking in the Sign sense.

In the more basic, core sense, the Ascendant and especially Ascendant point is like a gateway to the Planets/Stars. It acts like a giant magnifying glass that if any Planets are near or even relatively near same, they become super enlarged.

As to self, I can relate to some aspects of Leo Rising sometimes. Much of the time I feel sort of like a more warm hearted and intuitive version of Spock though--which isn't very Leonine.

I find that the Signs represent the more wavering, personality side of one's chart and psyche. If a person is starting to transcend personality, then the Signs will have less indication in an "inner" way for them but will continue to point to outer themes and patterns.

Despite essentially being a reserved, quiet, shy Capricorn lad (to paraphrase and borrow some from David Bowie whom has the same b-day as me), I can't seem to help but stick out in some way wherever I go. And I would prefer not to.

People sometimes seem to forget, or look over, that all this is just me as I am, and I just so happen to tend to have very different perceptions, experiences, leanings, etc than the majority. I USE to hide all that, hide it very deeply and very well (from fear, insecurity, need to belong/get along, etc), but I'm done with hiding. If the world doesn't like what it sees or hears, then too bad.

(Roar?)

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Not everyone can appreciate views which differ from their own. You don't have to hold the most radical views in the world in order to clash with someone else from time to time. I personally don't like to clash with people, unless I have a good enough reason for it. My close friends are familiar with my views, as I am with theirs. If I were to write a book expressing my perspective, I might have chosen a pen name to protect my privacy. Not because I don't stand behind my words. I am a private person.
Maybe the Leo in you pushes the shy Capricorn into the limelight. Why not.

posted March 06, 2020 02:06 AM            

Haven't work a whole lot with it. Have to confess, that I didn't know about the other calculation option on astro.com for a long time until I read Kannons' posts.

In the past, when I would draw up the progressed Asc--I was confused by why it took SO friqqin long to go through a Sign when it's the fastest moving symbol in the chart. I thought, "it should be going even much faster than P. Moon"!

So, for a long time, I just kind of ignored it, thinking there was something off there.

Kannon validated my hunch when he talked about the other, true calculation of the P. Asc. But still haven't worked with it much yet.

Apparently my P. Asc is just about to progress from Libra to Scorpio. Libra is my 3rd House and Scorpio is my IC. I've been starting to feel like I may want to reign in communication. The other day I was thinking about writing a post here talking about taking a vacation, as I feel I've been writing and generally spending too much time here.

That seems to align with P. Asc about to move into Scorpio (if it hasn't already).

posted March 06, 2020 11:17 AM            

However, for both you are suppose to interpret it like a transit by comparing it to your NATAL chart and were it is falling in your chart in the context of houses and how it is aspecting your natal.

For the Solar Arc Direction you do not use ARMC 361°/Prog.Day like you do with the secondary progression, you will use the default option which is ARMC 1 Naibod.

However if you are interpreting it as a transit like you are suppose to and selected the option of including your natal, progression and solar arc all in one chart then you can use the default format bc it will lay it out for you to interpret it like a transit any ways which is how it is meant to be interpreted.

"Natal, progressions and solar arc combined

Natal chart with progressed planets and solar arc progressions in the outer circle. With additional tables (PDF).
Read more about solar arcs in the Astro Wiki

The Progression (also called Secondary Progression) is based on the idea that there is a symbolic analogy of 1 year = 1 day in the life of a person. At 30 years of age, a chart is calculated for the 30th day after birth.

This means that we determine the current age of the native in years and then calculate the chart for the same number of days after birth. This horoscope, similar to a transit chart, can be interpreted in relation to the birth chart (synastry).

Ascendant, MC and houses are moved by about 1° per year in the progressed chart. In practice, the number of years is multiplied by the mean daily motion of the Sun. The result is then added to the sidereal time of birth, and axes and houses are recalculated. The mean daily motion of the Sun (the so-called 'Naibod key') is 0.98564733°. In fact, this is a primary direction of the angles and houses.

Other astrological software may provide slightly different positions of the angles and house cusps. E.g., Solar Fire calculates them as follows: The solar arc, i.e. the ecliptic motion that the progressed Sun has made since birth, is added to the midheaven (MC), then the ascendant and the other house cusps are calculated from this new midheaven. Astrodienst offers this as an option in the section of "Display and calculation options"/"Progressions" under the designation "MC from solar arc".

Another method of calculating the progressive axes and houses is to apply the equation 1 year = 1 day to the Earth's daily rotation. Since the meridian moves forward by about 361° within a day, it would actually be logical to let the progressive MC run forward by 361° in the course of a year of life. Astrodienst offers this progression method under the designation "ARMC 361° / prog. Day". (Strictly speaking, the other two calculation methods mentioned above for the progressive axes are not real secondary progressions, but primary directions.)

The Solar Arc Direction, similar to progression, is based on the idea that there is a symbolic analogy of 1 year = 1 day in the life of a person.

The age of the native is calculated in years, and then multiplied by the mean daily motion of the Sun. The result is added to all planets, axes and houses. The solar arc chart can, like a transit chart, be interpreted in relation to the natal chart (synastry).

The mean daily motion of the Sun (the so-called 'Naibod key') is 0.98564733°."

posted March 06, 2020 12:11 PM            

But imagine say a Martian, or a Saturnian going through these cycles? "WTF is going on, everything feels underwater, spirituality-bah humbug, nothings clear, this SUCKS"

posted March 06, 2020 12:40 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:

However, for both you are suppose to interpret it like a transit by comparing it to your NATAL chart and were it is falling in your chart in the context of houses and how it is aspecting your natal.

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Solar Arc Direction ascendant take years in the same sign so for Solar Arc is a big deal when the AC changes sign BUT you still have to interpret it in the context of your natal chart like it is a transit.

posted March 06, 2020 12:51 PM            

Every other symbol is given it's natural motion as to progression in the day for a year sense.

It seems artificial and contrived to say, well when it comes to the Asc, we're going to do a little special magic math and change it.

A month to a month and a half is long enough time for certain things to develop.

In Transits, even the slow, outer planets, when it comes to aspects it makes with Planets/points, these typically last around a similar time and we certainly notice these developments. I think P. Asc is more "Sign" based and general all in all though. With Jupiter to Pluto transits to N. Planets and points, it's more about the points they are contacting.

posted March 06, 2020 01:12 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
The Ascendant is like a channel through which all the rest of the Chart flows through, and thus gets colored by. That's speaking in the Sign sense.

In the more basic, core sense, the Ascendant and especially Ascendant point is like a gateway to the Planets/Stars. It acts like a giant magnifying glass that if any Planets are near or even relatively near same, they become super enlarged.

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To continue and enlarge on the theme. The above is why the Asc corresponds to the physical body and it's "temperament". Our temperament is our natural, automatic way of interaction with the outside world (this specific world/dimension).

If a person is open to the notion that the body is not all there is, and that consciousness is primary, nonphysical, and was around before the physical. And is open to the notion that we have both a Soul and Spirit levels of self (which we could call the subconscious and super-conscious minds)...

While we are focused here in this dimension, all this has to channel through our physical body does it not?

An interesting question to ask and ponder--was the body a completely blank slate before our Soul attached, a completely clear channel, or does it have some kind of energy or coloring of it's own?

The answer is, of course to the latter. It is an animal being that "evolved" in this dimension according to the rule sets in place for this dimension.

We choose specific bodies for specific purposes before we incarnate and our Soul attaches to same.

The Ascendant Sign and related factors, tells us what those energies and patterns are. I'm aware that for some reason, my Spirit self has chosen to be born under Leo Rising a fair number of times for some reason. Maybe something to do with the "heart attunement", Fire, and passion? Why, because my half of the Spirit, was originally the more Yin polarized half. I need a Fiery, Yang polarized body to express a better balance in this physical dimension--otherwise I might become a passive sloth. But for me Aries is just too much. Leo is sort of a nice balance--it's a steady, strong, but not overly flaring fire.

Hence, just as the body is a channel that the Soul and Spirit has to stream through while we are phased in this dimension, so isn't the Ascendant the channel through which the rest of the chart has to stream through to get expressed.

They are ONE IN THE SAME in other words; i.e. the Ascendant=the body physical.

Is the body a mask? Well that is a deep question and it's a sort of complex, "yes and no" simultaneously. It's more like a suit of clothes that your Soul dons for awhile. While you wear it, it tends to influence you, and hopefully you influence it. It is not the real, core you by any means, but it's part of the package deal of being incarnated/phased in this level.

A "mask" implies a very deliberate, a very conscious, sort of manipulative mode of expression. On the other hand, as we fit into the body and the body fits into us, it's a mutual two way street of influence. Hence, in that sense, it's not really a mask per se.

I think rather than spending time on forums, I probably should start writing a book or something. Hmmm, maybe that's part of the P MC starting to get near the P. Asc?

posted March 06, 2020 02:09 PM            

Looks like you can use same setting for solar arc and for secondary progression.

Its important to interpret both like a transit to your natal chart generally. The ascendant in both can be relevant if its interacting with your chart in a significant way or in how it over lays with your natal, similar to solar returns.

posted March 06, 2020 02:52 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Huh interesting...

Do you have a planet in scorpio near your AC even though you are libra riser? Is your libra rising at late degrees?

Can you post your chart? and if you feel comfortable include a picture...

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posted March 06, 2020 06:47 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
To continue and enlarge on the theme. The above is why the Asc corresponds to the physical body and it's "temperament". Our temperament is our natural, automatic way of interaction with the outside world (this specific world/dimension).

If a person is open to the notion that the body is not all there is, and that consciousness is primary, nonphysical, and was around before the physical. And is open to the notion that we have both a Soul and Spirit levels of self (which we could call the subconscious and super-conscious minds)...

While we are focused here in this dimension, all this has to channel through our physical body does it not?

An interesting question to ask and ponder--was the body a completely blank slate before our Soul attached, a completely clear channel, or does it have some kind of energy or coloring of it's own?

The answer is, of course to the latter. It is an animal being that "evolved" in this dimension according to the rule sets in place for this dimension.

We choose specific bodies for specific purposes before we incarnate and our Soul attaches to same.

The Ascendant Sign and related factors, tells us what those energies and patterns are. I'm aware that for some reason, my Spirit self has chosen to be born under Leo Rising a fair number of times for some reason. Maybe something to do with the "heart attunement", Fire, and passion? Why, because my half of the Spirit, was originally the more Yin polarized half. I need a Fiery, Yang polarized body to express a better balance in this physical dimension--otherwise I might become a passive sloth. But for me Aries is just too much. Leo is sort of a nice balance--it's a steady, strong, but not overly flaring fire.

Hence, just as the body is a channel that the Soul and Spirit has to stream through while we are phased in this dimension, so isn't the Ascendant the channel through which the rest of the chart has to stream through to get expressed.

They are ONE IN THE SAME in other words; i.e. the Ascendant=the body physical.

Is the body a mask? Well that is a deep question and it's a sort of complex, "yes and no" simultaneously. It's more like a suit of clothes that your Soul dons for awhile. While you wear it, it tends to influence you, and hopefully you influence it. It is not the real, core you by any means, but it's part of the package deal of being incarnated/phased in this level.

A "mask" implies a very deliberate, a very conscious, sort of manipulative mode of expression. On the other hand, as we fit into the body and the body fits into us, it's a mutual two way street of influence. Hence, in that sense, it's not really a mask per se.

I think rather than spending time on forums, I probably should start writing a book or something. Hmmm, maybe that's part of the P MC starting to get near the P. Asc?

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I agree. You have a lot to share.

Whenever I read your posts ,I notice similarities in mine. In that you dont mean for them to be long, but they end up being long.lol.

I get why though. As the ideas you are expressing are very layered. There is no quick yes/no answers to anything. So you explain a lot.

I wonder though if Jupiter is in aspect to Merc?

posted March 06, 2020 07:44 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Since you're rather attuned to Neptune Ayelet, maybe that's why the Neptune and Pisces cycles have been fairly positive for you?

But imagine say a Martian, or a Saturnian going through these cycles? "WTF is going on, everything feels underwater, spirituality-bah humbug, nothings clear, this SUCKS"

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Maybe so. Somehow I don't feel this energy as confusing, but rather as familiar and convenient.

If you wrote a book, would it be a spiritual self help kind of book? Or more philosophical stuff? (Or thoughts, memories, guidelines...)

posted March 07, 2020 12:41 AM            

If you're ever in the states, and more specifically the mid central east coast, let me know--we can go out for tea, or a drink, or something.

Yes, Cap Mercury, the ruler of the Sign Jupiter is placed in, is trine Virgo Jupiter with about a half degree of separation. Jupiter rules the 5th and co-rules the 8th and is retrograding back into the 1st, and Mercury rules the 11th and 2nd, and is in the 5th.

Sometimes I get these very creative, inspired ideas, concepts, thought patterns, etc, and I happen to enjoy writing and just tend to let it flow. Which often leads to typed verbosity. But in person, I tend to be more quiet and don't tend to talk much.

Thank you for the encouragement.

posted March 07, 2020 12:50 AM            

One would be tying in astrology to the larger consciousness system and spirituality in general.

Another might be a guide to attuning to guidance, spiritual attunement, meditation tips, etc

I have no interest in trying to get known for being connected to E.C., even though I have Sidney K. in my corner. But apparently David Wilcock has been milking the cash cow of allegedly being E.C. reincarnated and all that jazz for many years. Funny thing is, E.C. didn't care all that much about money nor fame. Besides the fact that my dreams involving him, indicate that he is still very much in and enjoying the nonphysical currently.

posted March 08, 2020 12:35 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Sometimes I get these very creative, inspired ideas, concepts, thought patterns, etc, and I happen to enjoy writing and just tend to let it flow. Which often leads to typed verbosity. But in person, I tend to be more quiet and don't tend to talk much.

Thank you for the encouragement.

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Bingo. I knew it. Lol. That makes perfect sense.

I feel you on the challenges of Twitter. It's an age of easy,quick condensed information and even downright gossip.