posted March 04, 2020 04:12 PM            

I do have:
AC in saggy
Southnode in Saggy
Neptune in Saggy squaring my SUN and MOON
Neptune on my AC
Jupiter conjunct Uranus in Saggy exact

Perhaps I don't feel saggy is a mask bc I have a lot of saggy in my chart...

But what if your AC sign is the only time that sign shows up in your chart! Does it feel more like a mask and do you identify less then with your AC sign?

Just a nice topic for exploration and reflection...

posted March 04, 2020 04:41 PM            

Or the angles could be a bunch of BS.

posted March 04, 2020 05:55 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Can't wait to hear everyone's feedback on this and their personal experience...

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posted March 04, 2020 06:10 PM            

But, my ASC is completely unaspected [except for "minor" aspects from Venus & Mars] which I've concluded must be the chief reason why my ASC is so pure/undeniable/'strong'.

posted March 04, 2020 06:58 PM            

I have aquarius rising and strongly relate. I'm weird and cooky, and often come across as aloof and reserved to other people at first.

My ascendant is heavily aspected - in a grand trine with Venus and Pluto; square Ceres; inconjunct saturn.

I'm awkward and don't like throwing myself into something 'cold' - contrary to having a leo moon!

posted March 04, 2020 07:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Moonbeth:
Leo is my asc and venus and while it's not exactly a mask (5th house moon), I do feel it's the outer me, the me altered by what people give and, ironically enough for Leo, way more of a response than a true expression of myself. I feel my sun, moon and mars are the real me, with my mercury being some weird thing in the mix that doesn't blend equally with the rest.
I'd say the way I act and relate is leo, why I do it is always Virgo, my energy is pure Scorpio and how I introspect is goat/pluto.

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Hey I just realized something your Sun is in virgo right? since your sun rules your chart/AC but is not in LEO and instead is in virgo I wonder if you identify more with virgo than LEO?

I feel you have that Leo playfulness for sure which can be explained by venus in leo and your AC in leo and something about you feels creative but you dont' have that cockiness that LEO risers can have and I have noticed that Sun in Virgos with Venus in LEO come off very down to earth but have that LEO warmth to them and that big heart....

posted March 04, 2020 07:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Stellia:
Great question!

I have aquarius rising and strongly relate. I'm weird and cooky, and often come across as aloof and reserved to other people at first.

My ascendant is heavily aspected - in a grand trine with Venus and Pluto; square Ceres; inconjunct saturn.

I'm awkward and don't like throwing myself into something 'cold' - contrary to having a leo moon!

But I enjoy this mask. It keeps me safe - I get to choose how much someone sees of the real me while I work out if my Leo can come out and play.

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Interesting...I guess masks have that function, is like I am comfortable showing you this side of me and until I know is safe this is the side of me you will see only type of thinking..

posted March 04, 2020 07:58 PM            

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Originally posted by ULT12:
I identify with the ASC, and have nothing of the sign/no too-notable Planet influence(Venus-ruled ASC, my Mars is in the other Venus sign).

But, my ASC is completely unaspected [except for "minor" aspects from Venus & Mars] which I've concluded must be the chief reason why my ASC is so pure/undeniable/'strong'.

re: "mask" - imo it's not a "mask" in the sense it's not a real part of ourselves, but in the sense that it's our [b]first reaction to 'life', what qualities/attitudes we feel most secure, safe, comfortable donning. So it's a "mask" in terms of defense mechanisms, it's our first go-to/line of defense. "Masks" are, after all, worn on the outside - i.e. top/first line of defense.[/B]

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posted March 05, 2020 12:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Librapurr:
No. Generally, Libra is considered to wear masks. So I wonder if Libras AC goes like mask for all Libras risings.
I do feel like I should wear masks.
However, I don’t think I really give my AC appearance, with my Sun matching my AC - it’s strange. Even with a lot of Libra treats, probably, my Scorpio in the 1H really noticeable. I don’t think much people would think I’m easily approachable. I’m not talking to strangers and suspicious of neighbors. 😎

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Huh interesting...

Do you have a planet in scorpio near your AC even though you are libra riser? Is your libra rising at late degrees?

posted March 05, 2020 12:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries Eagle:
You may see my easy going Asc Libra initially but when challenged you will see aggressive Aries nature, So it's like a mask for me.

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Interesting! thanks for sharing...

posted March 05, 2020 01:10 AM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
I think the ASC could partially be in the 12th house because a person doesn't usually know what they are.

Or the angles could be a bunch of BS.

Interesting how many persons can identify with their Sun and Moon signs but not their ASC.

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posted March 05, 2020 01:12 AM            

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Originally posted by ULT12:
I identify with the ASC, and have nothing of the sign/no too-notable Planet influence(Venus-ruled ASC, my Mars is in the other Venus sign).

But, my ASC is completely unaspected [except for "minor" aspects from Venus & Mars] which I've concluded must be the chief reason why my ASC is so pure/undeniable/'strong'.

re: "mask" - imo it's not a "mask" in the sense it's not a real part of ourselves, but in the sense that it's our [b]first reaction to 'life', what qualities/attitudes we feel most secure, safe, comfortable donning. So it's a "mask" in terms of defense mechanisms, it's our first go-to/line of defense. "Masks" are, after all, worn on the outside - i.e. top/first line of defense.[/B]

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posted March 05, 2020 01:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I like this.

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I know something is up when a woman's Juno is on my Juno, but if her ASC is on my ASC, I have no sense at all.

Similar with most asteroids and planets.

As long as we are not close to the same age.

That's one reason why the angles could be BS.

But, an ASC on the cusp (1st and 12th) is apparently enough to hide it from self.

posted March 05, 2020 02:22 AM            

However, by the end of the second Saturn Cycle, I identified primarily with the higher octave of Mercury (Uranus in Gemini/9th, and on MC) ... although the Virgo/Mercury me is still very visible, both to others and to myself.

But, rather than a mask, I consider it to be akin to the clothing one habitually wears when in the presence of others.

posted March 05, 2020 03:38 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Hey I just realized something your Sun is in virgo right? since your sun rules your chart/AC but is not in LEO and instead is in virgo I wonder if you identify more with virgo than LEO?

I feel you have that Leo playfulness for sure which can be explained by venus in leo and your AC in leo and something about you feels creative but you dont' have that cockiness that LEO risers can have and I have noticed that Sun in Virgos with Venus in LEO come off very down to earth but have that LEO warmth to them and that big heart....

I love fellow virgo suns with venus in leo women, I adore them. So happy to hear from you.

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I do have a 1st house chart-ruling Virgo sun. I did see your hybrid post, in my case I would say it's trickier than just one prevailing. I do feel way more Virgo and consider myself that before any other sign but while Leo cockiness is highly off-putting to me and I self loathe every time I feel my ego urges me to pursue things for myself, I do get on more easily with Leos than other Virgos. I would say the childish, dramatic, fun loving side of Leo is very much there, but the lady runs the house. I do relate strongly to my 5th house moon and consider that placement the trigger for the happy go lucky vibe people tell me I send. Most astrologer stop at the Capricorn square Pluto/Saturn conjunction and call it sad, but that's just poor reading, I have an incredibly happy moon.

posted March 05, 2020 03:58 AM            

It is the "doing" and not so much the reflection. So I don't see it as a "mask" per se-atleast not in the "pretend" connonation of the word.

I see it as the point of action. What you "do". The "actions speak louder than words" nature that just expresses itself.

posted March 05, 2020 07:30 AM            

- They radiate a special energy and magnetism that gets others’ attention.
- Often, Leo rising natives feel as if they are on stage.
- They are given to rash decisions, temper tantrums, and excesses.
- Leo rising people make excellent promoters.
- Drama comes naturally to these natives.
- Their manner is authoritarian and strong.

Literally, NONE of this is me.

However, there are some other descriptions that do fit me quite well:
- No matter their age in real-world terms, Leo rising people are kids at heart. They are fun-loving and warm; generous and spirited.
- Leo rising natives are quite self-aware and optimistic.
- Everything you do is done with pride, creativity and a sense of your own uniqueness.
- You applaud and appreciate individuality, creativity and the spirit and joy of life wherever you see it being expressed.
- Warmth and benevolence flow from you and others are attracted to your heart, your radiance, your strength.
- Other descriptions of Personality Traits: sunny, playful, affectionate, joyful, adventurous, self-confident, prideful.

My chart ruler (sun) is pisces in the 8th house. I am an outgoing introvert. I am always optimistic, sunny, and cheerful. I laugh a lot and can always see the silver lining of any situation.

I do like serving as a leader. I'm a manager at work, and I love working on a team. I'm also a leader in the community, serving as chapter president for a local organization. I am a mentor to others in this organization as well.

posted March 05, 2020 09:09 AM            

I also have SN in Libra, but that's it.

posted March 05, 2020 11:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Nadja:

I like to think of the Ascendant not as a mask we show the world, but rather as what we embody.

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posted March 05, 2020 11:45 AM            

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Originally posted by polkadotstars:
I think I do and don't. According to Cafe Astrology, Leo Ascendants are described as:

- They radiate a special energy and magnetism that gets others’ attention.
- Often, Leo rising natives feel as if they are on stage.
- They are given to rash decisions, temper tantrums, and excesses.
- Leo rising people make excellent promoters.
- Drama comes naturally to these natives.
- Their manner is authoritarian and strong.

Literally, NONE of this is me.

However, there are some other descriptions that do fit me quite well:
- No matter their age in real-world terms, Leo rising people are kids at heart. They are fun-loving and warm; generous and spirited.
- Leo rising natives are quite self-aware and optimistic.
- Everything you do is done with pride, creativity and a sense of your own uniqueness.
- You applaud and appreciate individuality, creativity and the spirit and joy of life wherever you see it being expressed.
- Warmth and benevolence flow from you and others are attracted to your heart, your radiance, your strength.
- Other descriptions of Personality Traits: sunny, playful, affectionate, joyful, adventurous, self-confident, prideful.

My chart ruler (sun) is pisces in the 8th house. I am an outgoing introvert. I am always optimistic, sunny, and cheerful. I laugh a lot and can always see the silver lining of any situation.

I do like serving as a leader. I'm a manager at work, and I love working on a team. I'm also a leader in the community, serving as chapter president for a local organization. I am a mentor to others in this organization as well.

So yeah, I can identify with parts of it

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Laughed at: "- Often, Leo rising natives feel as if they are on stage." hahahahaha

I did not know you were a LEO riser, there are a lot of leo risers in Lindaland, perhaps the DC in aquarius attracts them to astrology

Looooooooooooved: "- No matter their age in real-world terms, Leo rising people are kids at heart. They are fun-loving and warm; generous and spirited."

"I do like serving as a leader. I'm a manager at work, and I love working on a team. I'm also a leader in the community, serving as chapter president for a local organization. I am a mentor to others in this organization as well."

Don't you have moon in aries too...that combo of Aries with LEO or Cappy with Leo, I see it a lot in leaders.

I think you have a ton of pisces that keeps you humble and down to earth so you end up with the warmth of a leo riser and some of the leadership skills of been a leo riser with moon in aries but you are not domineering or pushy bc pisces helps you go with the flow and be adaptive too and helps you use your intuition to decide when to push and when not to push and when you do push your intuition guides you to do it in a firm but kind way, not over-bearing...

posted March 05, 2020 01:06 PM            

In the more basic, core sense, the Ascendant and especially Ascendant point is like a gateway to the Planets/Stars. It acts like a giant magnifying glass that if any Planets are near or even relatively near same, they become super enlarged.

As to self, I can relate to some aspects of Leo Rising sometimes. Much of the time I feel sort of like a more warm hearted and intuitive version of Spock though--which isn't very Leonine.

I find that the Signs represent the more wavering, personality side of one's chart and psyche. If a person is starting to transcend personality, then the Signs will have less indication in an "inner" way for them but will continue to point to outer themes and patterns.

Despite essentially being a reserved, quiet, shy Capricorn lad (to paraphrase and borrow some from David Bowie whom has the same b-day as me), I can't seem to help but stick out in some way wherever I go. And I would prefer not to.

People sometimes seem to forget, or look over, that all this is just me as I am, and I just so happen to tend to have very different perceptions, experiences, leanings, etc than the majority. I USE to hide all that, hide it very deeply and very well (from fear, insecurity, need to belong/get along, etc), but I'm done with hiding. If the world doesn't like what it sees or hears, then too bad.

posted March 05, 2020 01:48 PM            

I'm a pisces sun, moon, mercury, all right on top of each other. I like my Leo rising. It's so different than my mom's Virgo rising. She is always worrisome and feels a lot of anxiety if she can't control something. I love her to death but she has a lot of anxiety. Her mind is constantly racing of checklists, what to do, what hasn't been done, that sometimes she gets little sleep. My leo rising is all like, "eh it'll work out mom". And she's like thinking of what is wrong, focusing on the negative aspects of certain situations, and being super critical of details. I definitely see the benefits of a Virgo rising though. She's so detail oriented. I love taking her to look at open houses with me because she notices every little detail that would need to be fixed, that 99% of people don't notice. Nothing can get past her. And she's so type A, clean, and organized. When she sold her house, the realtor (who is a family friend) wrote on the house description online, "Mrs. Clean lives here!". lol! She of course had all of this anxiety about selling it, and made a laundry list of things that still needed to be done because the house looked "terrible", had major anxiety and stress about it, and worrying about what to do if it wouldn't sell, and wasn't getting much sleep because of it. The house was in tip top shape and was beautiful btw. It had a bidding war 2 days after it went on the market, and sold at a higher price than it was asking for. I guess with Virgo risings, they can't help but stress and worry because they see the details not all of us see. They could use a little bit of optimistic-Leo in their life to balance them out. My dad was a Leo sun, and he was her balance. He passed away this fall.