posted March 21, 2020 07:18 PM            

Maybe ones "children" aren't what we think they are I.e they are not only human beings in the strict sense of the word.

They include anything that you have carefully nurtured from the ground up I.e a business, writing a book, a website etc.

I took a look at my two "children" aka.my two University qualifications that I nurtured from start to finish. And I found that (unsurprisingly) they mirror me in many ways.

To be brief however,I only dealt with the obvious parts.

1st degree; Taurus Sun 01 degree on the cusp of the Mc/Moon in Pisces/Asc in Cancer.

And I as the "father",have Moon in Cancer conj the above "child's" Asc, Sun/Nep conj to mirror their Moon and Sun in Sag right on the cusp of Cap(Mc archetype) to mirror their Sun in 10th. My Sun in Sag also trines the Sun in Taurus.

This child also has Venus/Mars/Uranus in Pisces squaring my natal Sun. Their Sun in my 1st house.

2nd child; Asc in Pisc,Moon in Aries,Sun in Sag.

I have Asc in Aries conj the above "child's" Moon in Aries exact, my Sun squaring the Asc in Pisces tightly and the Sun sign in Sag opposes my North node.

This child has their Moon conj the 1st house in Aries.

The two of them as "siblings" share mirroring placements.

1st child Moon in Pis.2nd child Asc in Pisc
1st child Asc in Can.2nd child Moon in 1st
1st child Tau Sun.2nd child Sun/Ven semi-sex.
1st child Ven/Mar in Pis.2nd child Asc in Pis
Sun sextile Neptune.2nd child Sun/Nep square

There seems to be a strong Pisces energy on them that reflects my Sun/Nep conj ruling the 5th house.Sorry kids

What do you guys think of this? I know its a little "off the wall" but what about your "children"? Do you find the same themes coming through from your chart?

posted March 21, 2020 08:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

What do you guys think of this? I know its a little "off the wall" but what about your "children"? Do you find the same themes coming through from your chart?

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Triggers my curiosity and certainly speaks to me in terms of work and achievements as children (Virgo sun cappy moon ! lol) but one thing seems insurmountable to me, how do you decide the birth date and time for such projects?
The day on the diploma? hmmm.... fine... in my case university did that way after the fact so it seems a bit detached, and it still leaves the hour hanging in the air.
What about something you've worked over the years such as a craft or art, how do you manufacture a birth date and time for any such child?
What about pets? had one I actually nurtured but from about a week old so no precise birth day and no birth time...
I don't mind the "off the wall" thinking of your idea, actually love it 😊, but the realisation seems a bit too approximative ( in my cases anyway) to yield something worthy to be looked at...

posted March 21, 2020 09:01 PM            

Ohh I finally got it..my children have come from my body yes, dunno when it was born exactly, was November though, must be Scorpio Sun, bich going strong for more than 5 years now, so the child is doing "well" I suppose, but as with all the kids, the faggot aced the first few years and seems to be getting lazier now, have to kick his backside to get him working sometimes..

Another I bloody hell dunno which day it was born in , but I left him parents-less later, ***** still comes to me sometimes so that I don't forget her, and still tend to her, but nahh I have other kids now.

posted March 22, 2020 03:29 AM            

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Originally posted by Moonbeth:
Triggers my curiosity and certainly speaks to me in terms of work and achievements as children (Virgo sun cappy moon ! lol)

But one thing seems insurmountable to me, how do you decide the birth date and time for such projects?

The day on the diploma? hmmm.... fine... in my case university did that way after the fact so it seems a bit detached, and it still leaves the hour hanging in the air.

What about something you've worked over the years such as a craft or art, how do you manufacture a birth date and time for any such child?

What about pets? had one I actually nurtured but from about a week old so no precise birth day and no birth time...

I don't mind the "off the wall" thinking of your idea, actually love it 😊, but the realisation seems a bit too approximative ( in my cases anyway) to yield something worthy to be looked at...

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Ironically, I ran a longer post where I was detailing all this before I decided that it was too long winded. Lol

What I realised about Universal law is that there is some weird synchronicity/ timing that we don't "escape" from.

We may tend to think that things are "random" & are impersonal.No.Everything that occurs in our relative experience concerns us personally and is related to divine timing.

But one thing seems insurmountable to me, how do you decide the birth date and time for such projects?

To me the "birth date" would depend on the project concerned. If its an art gallery to showcase your talent, it's the day and time of the official opening.When the "public" views your work. Its the moment you put yourself "out there" [Asc]

What about something you've worked over the years on such as a craft or art? How do you manufacture a birth date and time for any such child?

If not the formal gallery as stipulated above. It is the day you put up a stand and others come to view your creations, buy and even ask questions.

What about pets? had one I actually nurtured but from about a week old so no precise birth day and no birth time...

It is the day you received the pet. The day it came under your possession and you became responsible for it.

The birthing of a child involves taking the child out of the stomach(hidden from the world) and into your arms.

So the "birthing" of your "child"/project involves coming out of the shadows and into the open for public consumption.

If you are into writing, it is the day that you have your story published in a book to be read by many. And you reserve a copy of the book for reference.

If you are into mountain climbing.That could be the day you decide to enter a competition until its completion and receive something in hand for your participation. You keep that medal as reference to taking part.

If you are into cooking. It is the day you are tasked to cook for an event that has a number of people in attendance.

You keep the event itself as memory to how your cooking was received/what went right/what went wrong/ what worked/ what didn't etc.

"Success" here is not the evaluation for the "birth". It is the fact that you put your work/heart out there for public consumption or to a greater audience.

That book may not have been a bestseller, you may not have come 1st in that mountain climbing competition,your cooking may have gotten bad reviews etc. But it is the putting it out into the public platform that matters.

As you have more "children" I.e more galleries, adopt more animals or enter more competitions etc. You may get more comfortable with putting yourself out there to the public space.

Or( in the case of puppies), you may become more comfortable in taking care of animals and even become an "expert" to a point where you open a shelter for animals.

posted March 22, 2020 03:33 AM            

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Ohh looks I don't have any children...tsk tsk

Ohh I finally got it..my children have come from my body yes, dunno when it was born exactly, was November though, must be Scorpio Sun, bich going strong for more than 5 years now, so the child is doing "well" I suppose, but as with all the kids, the faggot aced the first few years and seems to be getting lazier now, have to kick his backside to get him working sometimes..

Another I bloody hell dunno which day it was born in , but I left him parents-less later, ***** still comes to me sometimes so that I don't forget her, and still tend to her, but nahh I have other kids now.

And my current infant was born as a Libra Sun, and I visit him once in four months, still calls me "Papa" though, this one has been one-sided so far, safe to say I gotta be a good father to this one kid...Thank you for reading it . Title: Me and my "kids"

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posted March 22, 2020 03:36 AM            

Its not a worldwide commercial success. Nor a national one to be frank. I think it sold just under 600 copies(I bought some for myself and family members).He is really quite good.

But the point here is that he learned a lot through this experience about marketing and self promotion. He put himself out there into the public and didn't hide his work away.

I told him(as he was a little bummed about the reception) that it's not about "success" in the sense of others "approving" his work.

"Success" is really about him having the guts to try, to put himself out there and to create an artwork that the public may/may not like. That is really the Aries/birthing process. Its never about "success".

This is not necessarily to "please" the public. But to showcase/announce your brilliance to them as a creative force and say "I have arrived. And I having something to say."

He is Leo btw. And this lack of "success" initially hit him very hard.😯

posted March 22, 2020 05:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Just so we are on the same page. What are these "kids" you are speaking of?🤔

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The first one is my work-out regime

Second being my fine arts classes.

Third being my Uni degree.

posted March 22, 2020 07:24 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
The first one is my work-out regime

Second being my fine arts classes.

Third being my Uni degree.

Can't even beat around the bush these days...tsk tsk

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Hmm....looking at those,I would say that unless the 1st two involved competing in a public platform etc. They remain "work in progress". Not for the public. Its like a pregnancy.The "baby" is not birthed.

The 3rd one is easier to assess. The date of the graduation is the "birth". Now that you have a qualification, the public has a platform/standard from which to measure your competence.

I work out too for example.But it's still very personal & not for public consumption

But the day I upload a video of my workout routine & structure it for viewers,that is the "birth".Now my "creation" has a life of its own & is not under my control.

posted March 23, 2020 12:48 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
My body is my "creation"

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True.I think my point is how to draw the chart for its "birth"?

Of you know the date of when you started training. That could be used.The are people on FB who have the before/after pic lifestyle challenge.

posted March 23, 2020 12:52 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
I think of the 5th house as being the creations that I care enough about to "defend to the death". Hence, one sees many people for whom their ideas/views are 5th house matters.

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Can you list examples of this? Unless Pluto/Mars or Aries/Scorpio, I don't see it possible for one to "die" for a hobby.

A hobby is life affirming and not death drawing. That's why people who are depressed are encouraged to find their inner child(5th) through embracing a hobby.

posted March 23, 2020 02:52 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Can you list examples of this? Unless Pluto/Mars or Aries/Scorpio, I don't see it possible for one to "die" for a hobby.

A hobby is life affirming and not death drawing. That's why people who are depressed are encouraged to find their inner child(5th) through embracing a hobby.

Unless ofcourse the individual likes doing hobbies that are death-defying I.e extreme sports etc. Those who have Pluto/Mars or Aries/Scorpio and possibly Uranus(sudden upheavals) therein.

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Hobby seems too light-hearted a word for my view of the astrological concept of one's "children". ...

If Leonardo da Vinci had been willing to die rather than retract his view that the Earth revolves around the Sun, that would have been an extreme example of a person defending his "child" to the death.

A less extreme example would be if I was a prominent member of the astrological community; my view about the astrological concept of children was contrary to the mainstream view, and I was willing to be ostracised by that community rather than retract my view.

posted March 23, 2020 03:17 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
^ People do "die" for their hobbies though, Van Gogh died for it, he coulda done anything else that would not have let him rotting like a corpse on streets I reckon

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I added the disclaimer "unless" above to articulate when someone takes the hobby to "extremes". That's when Mars/Pluto is involved.Both are extreme energies.

I looked at Van Gogh's proposed chart on astro-charts.com 30 March 1853. He was a man who lacked boundaries and would go to extremes.

On one end, it could be termed "following ones inner voice" whilst on the other, it could be termed "madness" or "dementia" which literally means "the loss of the mental state"-atleast from the perspective of the outside world.

When we are dealing with this paradox, Neptune/Jup/Pisces or 12th house energy is usually involved.

Van Gogh had Mars in Pisces with Moon in Sag and Nep in Pisces square. A potent mix of Jupiter and Neptune energy.

His chart had Jup and Neptune in Sag/Pis respectively and Ven in Pisces exalted. My goodness!

Sun-archetype ruler of the 5th house of swlf expression is in Aries(Mars ruled).💁🏾‍♂️ And it enjoys a tight contra-parralel aspect with Pluto in Tau.BOOM!!

Even when you look at obsessed Pluto in Tau,zany Ura, committed Sat in Tau. They are all ruled by Ven in Pisces-which is ruled by Nep/Jup in their own signs (depending on modern/traditional ruler).

This was a man who was committed to his own ideas-no matter how zany. He would not budge from the vision that he wanted to capture in his creations. Even if made other people think he was "mad". Or that the extremes were "life threatening".

Mars/Pluto are involved.🤷🏾‍♂️

posted March 23, 2020 03:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
Hobby seems too light-hearted a word for my view of the astrological concept of one's "children". ...

If Leonardo da Vinci had been willing to die rather than retract his view that the Earth revolves around the Sun, that would have been an extreme example of a person defending his "child" to the death.

A less extreme example would be if I was a prominent member of the astrological community; my view about the astrological concept of children was contrary to the mainstream view, and I was willing to be ostracised by that community rather than retract my view.

An often-seen example would be if I was so attached to a 'marching-to-a-different-drummer' view that I was willing to be ostracised by my local society, friends and family rather than retract it.

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A hobby is light indeed if it remains personal and hidden from everyone. I said this in the beginning of this post.

But when that "hobby" is brought into the public,it takes on a whole new formalized energy-as it is open to criticism, rejection or acceptance etc.

From this,I take it to be the "birth" of a child in the metaphoric sense. In that the hobby lives as a separate entity and takes on a life of its own.

If you paint Pres Donald Trump in the eay that you see him, this will not matter if the painting is in your basement.

But if the painting is publicised (metaphoric "birth"), then it takes on a life of its own.

It may elicit a myriad of responses from the public. Some may say the painting is "honest" whilst others will say it is "controversial". It may even be deeply polarizing in as far as the public is concerned etc.

Now the "child" I.e the painting, is YOUR creation and expression. It reflects YOU. And since it has gotten such an extreme response from the public etc. death threats or threats of physical harm to the painter IS likely.

Now my thing would be that I would already suspect a strong Uran, Plu, Mars nature to your chart (the painter). As it filtered through to your "child"( painting). Which is why it has gotten such an extreme response.

posted March 23, 2020 03:48 AM            

In that, one goes against the "mainstream" etc. This is a metaphoric "extreme sport I used. In that you are "dancing with possibility of death". Mars/Pluto and Uran usually do.

You don't mean to. But it's part and parcel of your self expression.

And I looked at Dan Vincis chart. Sun which is affiliated with the 5th house of self expression is in exalted Aries(Mars-ruled)

Mercury is in Mars-ruled Aries I.e I will say what I like. Mars(Aries associated) is in rule-breaker Aqua.

Add to that Uranus is square Sun and Plu is square Mars. All the elements are there of someone who feels very strongly about their ideas and WILL NOT budge. He has Moon in Scorpio too(I mean 💁🏾‍♂️

posted March 23, 2020 03:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
A hobby is light indeed if it remains personal and hidden from everyone. I said this in the beginning of this post.

But when that "hobby" is brought into the public,it takes on a whole new formalized energy-as it is open to criticism, rejection or acceptance etc.

From this,I take it to be the "birth" of a child in the metaphoric sense. In that the hobby lives as a separate entity and takes on a life of its own.

If you paint Pres Donald Trump in the eay that you see him, this will not matter if the painting is in your basement.

But if the painting is publicised (metaphoric "birth"), then it takes on a life of its own.

It may elicit a myriad of responses from the public. Some may say the painting is "honest" whilst others will say it is "controversial". It may even be deeply polarizing in as far as the public is concerned etc.

Now the "child" I.e the painting, is YOUR creation and expression. It reflects YOU. And since it has gotten such an extreme response from the public etc. death threats or threats of physical harm to the painter IS likely.

Now my thing would be that I would already suspect a strong Uran, Plu, Mars nature to your chart (the painter). As it filtered through to your "child"( painting). Which is why it has gotten such an extreme response.

Would you as a painter be prepared to die for your creation? That also depends on your chart and how strongly you feel about your self expression(5th house/Sun and Leo).

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posted March 23, 2020 05:18 AM            

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So what would be the difference between profession and hobby?

Hobbies not being "death drawing" , whatsoever draws life can also draw death though, some singers get killed by their fans, who would've thought? But I suppose Mars/Pluto might get involved

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My thinking is that once a hobby(5th) becomes a profession(10th), the life finds more meaning. And one feels like they are living from the inside out.

You can't "avoid" who you are. Aries/Scorp placements in the chart does not necessary mean you "chase" death. But you do inadvertently "dare" it by defying it.

But that is the point of It, the juice of it, the thrill etc. That's why when we climax(Mars/Pluto ruled), it feels like a "little death").

Oh but we chase that moment gladly. Even if it's for less than a second. The thrill of it is very addictive and life-affirmimg

So if you have Sun/Plu,Ura or Mars. You are not meant to "play it safe". Extend this to self-expression planets Mars/ Uranus-especially in aspect or Plu-Mars etc.

YOU will cause a raucous. Because that's just who you are. And you can't "avoid" or "dilute" who you are. Atleast not forever🤷🏾‍♂️

Look at Donald. He has Sun in Gem opp Moon in Sag both conj/opp Uran in Gem.

Leo/Sun is affiliated with the 5th house of expression and Mars is the self. So here there is a double emphasis on the need for uninhibited self expression.

Mars is in Leo. Sun in Gem/Uran conj. He will not be muzzled or "edited". This especially when Sun is in Gemini and Moon in Sag(two very "let me tell you what I think" signs).

This even when Nep/Merc square makes whay he says largely incoherent or lacking in consistency.

Notice how he polarizes people just by being himself? Some people want to hurt him and others hug him. This is Uran at work- extreme reactions in others.

Obama also had a polarizing effect. But not quite as visceral as Donald's. His was more subtle. People believed that he was secretly a "bad" man behind that cloak of "goodness".

That "secretly bad" suspicion can be traced to Sun(self expression) square Neptune in his chart.

Neptune has the effect of people either believing you are the "christ" or the "anti-christ". You are too "perfect" or "shady". Whatever it is, there is an enigma about you that is there.

People may want to kill you-not because of what you say necessarily. But because they project all bad things on to you i.e "Too good to be true","all that glitters ain't gold" etc.

They are convinced that you are a "deceiver" in some way because they don't quite have the full story on you.And they search exhaustively for it.

Neptune conceals you in a way that they can't express. But they "feel" it. They are usually convinced (obsessively even) that you are a charlatan. And may even commit themselves to "exposing" you.

Neptune strong people tend to attract stalkers or become stalkers themselves. The boundary lines are blurred.

posted March 23, 2020 05:50 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
I think anything can go there though ? Have you argued with a Libra yet ? Idk about geminis though, wtf would they die for, I figure thats why they look young all the bloody time ...

But yeah, even they cheat and "steal " as a "hobby"... come the wrong person they'll get skinned for it, until then they can bounce around I suppose

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Lol. EVERYONE has a passion. A place where they can surface very strong reactions from others.

Gem may experience this with their diet or daily habits(6th) and work environment.

Don't interfere with their schedule.They are surprisingly quite efficient when it comes to time management.And absolutely hate it when you "waste" their time or when you are too "slow".

posted March 23, 2020 06:03 PM            

However, the themes of the 5th house of creative talents/passion and Love Given is always available to us. Mars-Jupiter-Saturn-Pluto are all transiting through that house in my birth chart and I've never been more interested in expanding my creative activities. I'd have been surprised by this shift from writing to painting a year or two ago. Now it seems entirely natural. I'm getting a crash course by watching painters in action on youtube. Modern home media and communication is awesome!

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