posted March 27, 2020 03:21 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
But in the recent months, he doesn't have a good track record.

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posted March 27, 2020 03:29 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
He does in my opinion. But we're getting off-topic.

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All conservatives feel he is a closet liberal and not conservative so he will never win and he does flip flop a lot.

posted March 27, 2020 10:31 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
OMG he does not talk like a dictator, he talks like someone with moon in saggy since moon in saggy rules his mercury after all. That is who he is, he is authentic, says what he thinks, keeps his promises and goes after what he wants.

Everyone thought Obama was going to be a dictator and he did not end up been a dictator, same thing with Trump, same freaking thing. That is a fear-mongering tactic both sides use.

Anyhow the absolutely perfect candidate does not exist, you will never agree with anyone on this planet on everything and any candidate will have to compromise even their own values at times to work as a team with congress and give the people what they want, this one person has to try to make everyone happy and that is not going to happen but they will have to compromise on some things and be stern on others and nobody will in the end get everything they want.

Last there is NO perfect system, it doesn't exist, that is a dream, at least this system has a checks and balance which helps keep the issues generated by any system to not get completely out of control, helping things that get out of balance come back to balance.

The two party system has its issues definitely but essentially each side helps keep the other side from not going to extremes, each side keeps the other in check bc each side has biases and that is how I see it, each side is playing an important role.

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i see you've never watched a lot of dictators talk, it's a compliment at any rate not whatever you seem to have twisted it into

i was referring to the posturing, the way he speaks, the way he addresses the people over interviewers and media, the hand gestures, the way he stands and so on

if you look at a lot of dictators you'll see similar behavior and mannerisms when giving speeches

i didn't call him a dictator policy wise, i was merely referring to his presence

your comparison to obama (who does not compare at all presence wise) proves to me that your reflexes are to not fully read what's said and instead respond as if i'm some leftist democrat (i'm not) with a "well obama..."

i never said he is a dictator or could be, given the system he's forced to play by this does not work, and i literally called the president largely ineffectual and irrelevant in the grand scheme of things

obama does not factor in here, and it was a compliment paid to trump to say he comes off charismatic and strong and speaks directly to the people etc which is what dictators are generally that's how they lead larger groups of people

also i'd argue stalin had a lot in sag, castro had leo placements these are not uncommon amongst them if you want to go that route

that's just off the top of my head though

you ignored my point and launched into left vs right fear mongering and finger pointing which is exactly the sort of ******** i said a 2 party system does that makes people easily controlled through divide and conquer tactics

i literally see voting as largely worthless especially on a federal level as it's little more than a pacification and division tool so please don't give me that "well obama..." ********

i didn't say it as fear mongering i was paying him a compliment but you're clearly too emotional to see that and cant look at the objectivity of that statement

why would i call the president largely ineffectual if i feared dictatorship on one of their parts? i'd even argue on some level dictatorships can make sense as effective means of getting things done in spite of not being ideal unless you conform to the given vision

the two party system is absolute garbage (due to the way passion issues are divided and the fact that things that shouldnt even fall to the government at all are part of it) and doesn't end up working that way especially given the way it's divided

i never claimed there's a perfect system or a perfect leader, of course not that's delusional

i do however see very little need for the federal government as is and do notice that underlying things that happen whether it's the left or the right in office

any system can be workable in theory all degrade over time and need to be torn down at some point to make way for something new

these things work in cycles and nothing lasts forever

the current system is largely garbage, loaded in corruption and so on and that goes back decades and doesnt rest on trump

i wish you had read instead of giving me some anti-left trash followed by speaking to me as if i'm deluded idealist who thinks there's a perfect president hiding somewhere

posted March 27, 2020 10:33 AM            

i find it ironic that you're telling teasel she can't be objective when you were not at all objective in your reading of my words and your response to me

btw people who like strong social programs hitler had plenty of those, natsoc ideology generally does

he also had relatively good gun laws, it's almost like everyone's example of "bad man because dictator" was capable of things that were beneficial in spite of his failures (and no i'm not nazi or a fascist etc ideology wise, not that ideals matter)

it's a very simple minded view to see the word dictator and reflexly just go "dictator bad" as if anything is that clear cut and one sided

i enjoy studying the nature of power, how it's obtained, kept, and all of its manifestations in my view saying a leader is similar to a dictator presence wise is a very high compliment because dictators have presence

posted March 27, 2020 10:53 AM            

I don't think anyone including myself can be 100% objective, humans are biased, there is a lot of evidence for this, it takes a lot of effort to be objective especially with politics. I at least listen to both sides and try to understand were people are coming from which is more than most do but I never claimed I was objective all the time.

I at least dont have a knee jerk reaction of calling anyone racist who doesn't think like me so even though I may not be objective all the time since I too am human I am trying more than the average person to be objective.

posted March 27, 2020 10:59 AM            

how am i supposed to, through text, read that in a way where it isn't a response to what i've said?

edit: as for what you're saying that's just what you get when you have a 2 party system that divides people on passion issues

policies get ignored in favor of fingerpointing over dumb ****

posted March 27, 2020 11:09 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
when you respond to me with venting about what other people say without clearly saying "i'm aware you didn't say that, but..." it doesn't come off that way

how am i supposed to, through text, read that in a way where it isn't a response to what i've said?

edit: as for what you're saying that's just what you get when you have a 2 party system that divides people on passion issues

policies get ignored in favor of fingerpointing over dumb ****

trump was put into office at a prime time for escalation of that because that's been slowly escalating due to outside factors that the government cannot fully control

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posted March 27, 2020 11:46 AM            

though now that i know you understand fully where i was coming from with my use of the word dictator and i know you're venting frustration at liberals we're in a better place so it's cool

no worries, i can handle disagreement (i do frequently with teasel and she knows i love her anyway) even if that was the case

nothing wrong with passion

i accept that your virgo mercury makes you difficult for me

i appreciate being able to level though, good ****

i genuinely think anyone could have come into office at the time trump did and have gotten just as much hate, though i also think people have trouble with strong personalities to begin with

a lot of dictators btw seem to have leo, sag, and gemini in their chart ironically (looked at a few charts just now, found it funny) though there doesn't seem to be a fixed star theme with them

posted March 27, 2020 12:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
fair enough, you know i love you, but yeah lack of flow with this

though now that i know you understand fully where i was coming from with my use of the word dictator and i know you're venting frustration at liberals we're in a better place so it's cool

no worries, i can handle disagreement (i do frequently with teasel and she knows i love her anyway) even if that was the case

nothing wrong with passion

i accept that your virgo mercury makes you difficult for me

i appreciate being able to level though, good ****

i genuinely think anyone could have come into office at the time trump did and have gotten just as much hate, though i also think people have trouble with strong personalities to begin with

a lot of dictators btw seem to have leo, sag, and gemini in their chart ironically (looked at a few charts just now, found it funny) though there doesn't seem to be a fixed star theme with them

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I love you too! I appreciate you and Teasel too, you guys are part of the lindaland family, I mean that. Okay I am getting teary now.

My virgo mercury? we get along great, I mean on this thing we had a hiccup and I played a role in that bc my communication was not clear bc I was on venting mode and did not realize it affected how I said it to you but we often have a great time talking IMO. I tend to get along great with mercury in LEO bc it conjuncts my eros, venus, vertex, or valentine. Your mercury conjuncts my Valentine actually (I have valentine at 18 degrees) and more widely my vertex by 3 degrees. This is probably why I like talking with you and I also feel you do try super hard to be objective and tend to be. We also have mercury semi sextile mercury come to think of it exact.

"i genuinely think anyone could have come into office at the time trump did and have gotten just as much hate, though i also think people have trouble with strong personalities to begin with."

That is possible yes, you are right! but yes bc he has a strong personality and doesn't let people push him around he had a very polarizing effect but I mean I respect he has Balls. For example, Mitt Romney is easy to control so the left ofcourse would love it if he wins, Trump compromises at times bc of his sun gemini but he also knows when to stick to his guns bc of his mars on the AC and will not back down on certain things.

I will say this, I don't look at Trump and want to give him a hug, I don't like him like that, maybe bc his mars is on his AC so he doesn't inspire fuzzy feelings in me, I like certain qualities he possesses definitely and I respect him. That is the gist of it, I don't think he is charming actually, I felt Obama was very charming but I don't find Trump charming, I did not vote for him bc I adore him, like with Ron Paul I admired him in a very idealistic way and with Trump I admire in a practical way. I think I had a crush on Ron Paul actually, not with orange man but I think he cares and has balls, he looks hard on the exterior and you don't want to hug him but on the inside he is soft, he has mars on his AC and his mars trines MOON in the 4H.

"a lot of dictators btw seem to have leo, sag, and gemini in their chart ironically (looked at a few charts just now, found it funny) though there doesn't seem to be a fixed star theme with them."

When you are up for it you should start a thread on dictators, I am open to looking into this and hearing your theories and looking at charts. Leo is fixed, I would definitely think dictators have fixed energy or things falling in fixed houses or fixed aspects but I have not researched this so opening a thread would facilitate this.

posted March 27, 2020 03:13 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I love you too! I appreciate you and Teasel too, you guys are part of the lindaland family, I mean that. Okay I am getting teary now.

My virgo mercury? we get along great, I mean on this thing we had a hiccup and I played a role in that bc my communication was not clear bc I was on venting mode and did not realize it affected how I said it to you but we often have a great time talking IMO. I tend to get along great with mercury in LEO bc it conjuncts my eros, venus, vertex, or valentine. Your mercury conjuncts my Valentine actually (I have valentine at 18 degrees) and more widely my vertex by 3 degrees. This is probably why I like talking with you and I also feel you do try super hard to be objective and tend to be. We also have mercury semi sextile mercury come to think of it exact.

"i genuinely think anyone could have come into office at the time trump did and have gotten just as much hate, though i also think people have trouble with strong personalities to begin with."

That is possible yes, you are right! but yes bc he has a strong personality and doesn't let people push him around he had a very polarizing effect but I mean I respect he has Balls. For example, Mitt Romney is easy to control so the left ofcourse would love it if he wins, Trump compromises at times bc of his sun gemini but he also knows when to stick to his guns bc of his mars on the AC and will not back down on certain things.

I will say this, I don't look at Trump and want to give him a hug, I don't like him like that, maybe bc his mars is on his AC so he doesn't inspire fuzzy feelings in me, I like certain qualities he possesses definitely and I respect him. That is the gist of it, I don't think he is charming actually, I felt Obama was very charming but I don't find Trump charming, I did not vote for him bc I adore him, like with Ron Paul I admired him in a very idealistic way and with Trump I admire in a practical way. I think I had a crush on Ron Paul actually, not with orange man but I think he cares and has balls, he looks hard on the exterior and you don't want to hug him but on the inside he is soft, he has mars on his AC and his mars trines MOON in the 4H.

"a lot of dictators btw seem to have leo, sag, and gemini in their chart ironically (looked at a few charts just now, found it funny) though there doesn't seem to be a fixed star theme with them."

When you are up for it you should start a thread on dictators, I am open to looking into this and hearing your theories and looking at charts. Leo is fixed, I would definitely think dictators have fixed energy or things falling in fixed houses or fixed aspects but I have not researched this so opening a thread would facilitate this.

Leo shows up in leadership positions a lot, Ron Paul and Obama are both Leos and Trump has Leo rising conjunct Mars in Leo. Hillary also has Mars in Leo....Interesting actually Obama and Ron Paul ran against each other and both have sun in LEO. Trump and Hillary both have Mars in Leo and run against each other.

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i just have issues occasionally communicating with virgo mercuries, it's not a you problem it's a me thing and something i've noticed repeatedly in my life dont know what does it

don't worry you're my favorite person with the placement no ****

obama had charm yeah, charismatic, but lacking the same sort of presence trump exhibits

with trump what you get is this unapologetically strong personality which of course is going to draw people in and repulse them

i rarely start discussions, though those 3 will are very common based on what i was looking at

hitler breaks that pattern but does have fixed energy (all that taurus)

it's intriguing at any rate, but i havent put a whole lot of time into the astrological side of things

i was admittedly a bit disappointed by a seeming lack of fixed star stuff

posted March 27, 2020 03:13 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
The first time I spoke to dumuzi, we were arguing.

I’m not angry with anyone. I just now understand why Hypatia was so emotional a few weeks ago. I was barely watching the news, because of politics.

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posted March 27, 2020 04:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i just have issues occasionally communicating with virgo mercuries, it's not a you problem it's a me thing and something i've noticed repeatedly in my life dont know what does it

don't worry you're my favorite person with the placement no ****

obama had charm yeah, charismatic, but lacking the same sort of presence trump exhibits

with trump what you get is this unapologetically strong personality which of course is going to draw people in and repulse them

i rarely start discussions, though those 3 will are very common based on what i was looking at

hitler breaks that pattern but does have fixed energy (all that taurus)

it's intriguing at any rate, but i havent put a whole lot of time into the astrological side of things

i was admittedly a bit disappointed by a seeming lack of fixed star stuff

as for regulus hard to really get actually ascendants but a couple of famous people with their sun there were layne staley, river phoenix, and kobe bryant all fit that high heights tragic end sort of deal

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"don't worry you're my favorite person with the placement" Thanks, Smiles widely

"obama had charm yeah, charismatic, but lacking the same sort of presence trump exhibits

with trump what you get is this unapologetically strong personality which of course is going to draw people in and repulse them."

Very true, I see what you mean. I use to not like him actually, I don't think he is likeable...I watched the apprentice for many seasons and it help me understand him.

"i rarely start discussions, though those 3 will are very common based on what i was looking at"

It would be so interesting to look into that and have a thread on that at some point.

"as for regulus hard to really get actually ascendants but a couple of famous people with their sun there were layne staley, river phoenix, and kobe bryant all fit that high heights tragic end sort of deal"

that breaks my heart...

But there is something that seems to protect him is what I sense, people try to hurt him but something protects him. Like I keep thinking his jupiter should be more prominent to explain this but he does have:

Chart ruler Sun trine Jupiter
Chart ruler Sun Opposite Angel
Mars Septile Jupiter with Mars on AC
Asteroid Fortuna semi sextiles his AC on Regulus exact

posted March 27, 2020 04:04 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
The first time I spoke to dumuzi, we were arguing.

I’m not angry with anyone. I just now understand why Hypatia was so emotional a few weeks ago. I was barely watching the news, because of politics.

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posted March 29, 2020 04:06 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I mean I have Mars in Leo at 24d53 so about 5 degrees away from Regulus so too far, I think the orb used is 2.5.

There is no way that everyone that has a placement near one of these stars with super SCARY interpretations is going to relate to the interpretations, read the interpretations to a lot of these stars, is super fear mongering and filled with catastrophic thinking and when these interpretations were created in ancient times the world was very different.

I am not saying to ignore fixed stars but the descriptions seriously need an upgrade, I don't feel they are very objective, just notice the language that is used.

I can probably get more valid information from you since you have it in your chart, tell us how you think it has played out in your life so far, lets start with house it falls in to give us an idea and what is it aspecting, this way we are starting to gather new data on how this may manifest.

I actually question the data used in ancient times to come up with these descriptions, I don't think is valid data.

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Hi, thanks for that perpsective.

My Regulus is conjuct my AC in late Leo 28degrees. I have Regulus conjunct Saturn both at 29 degrees.

Things I have been told:
-I look Royal or carry myself royallyl...or called princess a lot (I find that very degrading and annoying!)
-Very ambitious, my Scorpio wants power, but in a good way
-I have issues with authority--especially bosses. I'm in and out of jobs due to bosses--not performance. I like being my own boss.
-I fall hard, but I'm resilient and get back up (may take time depending, but I always do)

Not sure what else to observe, but ask me questions and I'll let you know if I've experienced it.

posted March 29, 2020 06:52 PM            

* in your sag-or-cap-asc thread you said you would later. but I don't recall the follow-through

posted March 29, 2020 08:00 PM            

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Originally posted by ULT12:
@HYP - Mind posting your chart yet*?

* in your sag-or-cap-asc thread you said you would later. but I don't recall the follow-through

(if not that's OK - your choice)

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Okay, I wonder what you are trying to figure out about me....

posted March 29, 2020 08:04 PM            

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Originally posted by ScorpieScorp:
Hi, thanks for that perpsective.

My Regulus is conjuct my AC in late Leo 28degrees. I have Regulus conjunct Saturn both at 29 degrees.

Things I have been told:
-I look Royal or carry myself royallyl...or called princess a lot (I find that very degrading and annoying!)
-Very ambitious, my Scorpio wants power, but in a good way
-I have issues with authority--especially bosses. I'm in and out of jobs due to bosses--not performance. I like being my own boss.
-I fall hard, but I'm resilient and get back up (may take time depending, but I always do)

Not sure what else to observe, but ask me questions and I'll let you know if I've experienced it.

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Hello!

"called princess a lot (I find that very degrading and annoying!)"

hahahaha I love that side note, I could see how with Saturn on your AC it irritates you to be called princess even though you are a Leo riser and good for you, I truly respect that!

posted March 29, 2020 10:41 PM            

Nothing sinister. At first I wanted your Moon's degree because I came to know a Sun/Moon Pisces/Virgo like you so I wanted to see how much y'all were alike. (She has Jup-conj-ASC, which is like you with Sag ASC so...).

Then I wondered why you always get in so many heated discussions here. My first thought was Mars/Mercury? But I haven't deeply examined your chart yet. I did notice ASC-trine-Mars closer than the Venus trine you've mentioned before, and that satisfies me fully on an initial look. (the aspect being trine might be really fitting here - total ease/free movement of(trine) Assertion, Argumentativeness etc(Mars), but it doesn't seem to have negative consequences for you re: your own mental sanity or relations (like a "harsh" aspect does? square, opp, conj)).

posted March 29, 2020 11:35 PM            

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Originally posted by ULT12:
@hyp - Thanks!

Nothing sinister. At first I wanted your Moon's degree because I came to know a Sun/Moon Pisces/Virgo like you so I wanted to see how much y'all were alike. (She has Jup-conj-ASC, which is like you with Sag ASC so...).

Then I wondered why you always get in so many heated discussions here. My first thought was Mars/Mercury? But I haven't deeply examined your chart yet. I did notice ASC-trine-Mars closer than the Venus trine you've mentioned before, and that satisfies me fully on an initial look. (the aspect being trine might be really fitting here - total ease/free movement of Assertion, Argumentativeness etc (trine), but it doesn't seem to have negative consequences for you re: your own mental sanity or relations (like a "harsh" aspect does? square, opp, conj)).

Sun-square-ASC could also account for the Argumentativeness. Sun wants to be King, Ruler, obsequeiously listened to, etc. In laymen terms, it just gives you a stronger Ego - like Trump (who has one for dif reasons), you are quick to defend yourSelf.

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I always stand up for myself yes since I was a kid, I mean mars in the 8th is intuitive with a strong instinct to protect itself and others and mars in leo is expressive and passionate and trines my AC in saggy conjunct Neptune. Maybe I use my Venus and Mars since it trines my AC to mirror back what Neptune on my AC absorbs from its environment or what is been projected unto her.

Mercury is the last dispositor of my venus conjunct mars (Mars in leo is ruled by Sun, Sun in virgo is Ruled by Mercury and I have mercury in Virgo). Then add Mercury squares my nodes and rules my Northnode and DC, I feel I am suppose to use my voice, to communicate with others and this involves expressing love to others with ease and openness (venus) and also setting boundaries (Mars) and standing up for myself (trine AC).

I also think that NEPTUNE is the ruler of my intercepted Pisces in the 3H and it conjuncts my AC so Neptune at Galactic Center on my AC square my SUN opposite Moon making Neptune the apex of tsquare is how I can express my intercepted mercury,sun,moon which are locked in the intercepted signs.

Also I think there is a difference between using your voice to set boundaries and stand up for yourself and been argumentative. Or using your voice to try to get people to see a more balanced less biased and media influenced perspective on our president.

posted March 30, 2020 12:00 AM            

Also progressed venus conjunct mars in VIRGO are exact on my natal mercury.

posted March 30, 2020 12:09 AM            

Arguements as a 'takes two to tango' thing, the combo of two people.. not you being aggressive.

posted March 30, 2020 12:18 AM            

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Originally posted by ULT12:
^I see that your definition of "argumentative" is the more common one - probably the way I automatically interpret it too, unless I get hint otherwise(-> ) - but that is totally not how I meant it here. I meant you stand up for your Self(be it individual self, or your own(<- Self) beliefs), and this Self-defense causes retort from others - but because you are so Self-defending, this puts you in arguments.

Arguements as a 'takes two to tango' thing, the combo of two people.. not you being aggressive.

idk how to have made that ^ clear before, but hopefully you understand me now.

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