posted March 30, 2020 01:48 AM            

yeah that's what i mean about regulus having that sort of ****** narrative

as for trump, everyone's luck runs out eventually, so room for possibility i'd imagine

that being said i'm fairly indifferent to the whole thing, couldn't care less

i find the polarization intriguing to watch at any rate, in the sense that it creates a good climate for more interesting things (my view of interesting likely doesn't match yours here) i get a certain joy out of watching the civil unrest build, the virus stuff should make it more interesting as people get more restless

i mention his presence because he riles people up in an entertaining way, both his supporters and those who oppose him lose all sight of objectivity to rant about virtually nothing and i love it

he could do the wrong thing, the right thing, absolutely nothing and it's all irrelevant because of how rabid he makes people on both sides

it's good **** , not a lot of people can manage that

i don't pay attention to solar arcs and whatnot all those additional charts start to feel like nitpicking and too many details for me, makes me bored

they really worthwhile?

btw let's be fair here you were pretty argumentative in this thread, at least towards me

posted March 30, 2020 02:33 AM            

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Originally posted by ULT12:
@hyp - Thanks!

Nothing sinister. At first I wanted your Moon's degree because I came to know a Sun/Moon Pisces/Virgo like you so I wanted to see how much y'all were alike. (She has Jup-conj-ASC, which is like you with Sag ASC so...).

Then I wondered why you always get in so many heated discussions here. My first thought was Mars/Mercury? But I haven't deeply examined your chart yet. I did notice ASC-trine-Mars closer than the Venus trine you've mentioned before, and that satisfies me fully on an initial look. (the aspect being trine might be really fitting here - total ease/free movement of(trine) Assertion, Argumentativeness etc(Mars), but it doesn't seem to have negative consequences for you re: your own mental sanity or relations (like a "harsh" aspect does? square, opp, conj)).

Sun-square-ASC could also account for the Argumentativeness. Sun wants to be King, Ruler, obsequiously listened to, etc. In laymen terms, it just gives you a stronger Ego - like Trump (who has one for dif reasons), you are quick to defend yourSelf.
edit: MC-conj-Sun adds to Self-defense, "king" Ego desire, looking up to(MC) Authority Figures(Sun)... etc.

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I don't see my exchanges with hypatia as "heated" - they aren't intentionally. We just have opposite views when it comes to politics.

posted March 30, 2020 02:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
@hypatia

yeah that's what i mean about regulus having that sort of ****** narrative

as for trump, everyone's luck runs out eventually, so room for possibility i'd imagine

that being said i'm fairly indifferent to the whole thing, couldn't care less

i find the polarization intriguing to watch at any rate, in the sense that it creates a good climate for more interesting things (my view of interesting likely doesn't match yours here) i get a certain joy out of watching the civil unrest build, the virus stuff should make it more interesting as people get more restless

i mention his presence because he riles people up in an entertaining way, both his supporters and those who oppose him lose all sight of objectivity to rant about virtually nothing and i love it

he could do the wrong thing, the right thing, absolutely nothing and it's all irrelevant because of how rabid he makes people on both sides

it's good **** , not a lot of people can manage that

i don't pay attention to solar arcs and whatnot all those additional charts start to feel like nitpicking and too many details for me, makes me bored

they really worthwhile?

btw let's be fair here you were pretty argumentative in this thread, at least towards me

hell of an emotional rant taking a single word out of context

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My issue is that I do feel the media has targeted him and used their power against him and I don't think that is right and this has had a lot of consequences and divided this country a lot, yes there was tension already building up before he came to power between both parties I agree and this is beyond him but is not okay. My level of like towards him is professional, I just respect him and understand his personality that is all.

My passion kicks in bc I feel he is been mistreated and he does not deserved to be hated with so much passion, it hurts me to see people hate him so much, it feels really wrong, it feels like people are creating some really dark karma with him. I am trying to be the voice that helps neutralize that karma. Is not okay to hate someone that deeply, he does not deserve that sort of hate. He reminds me of someone been bullied but the people bullying him call him the bully bc he has the balls to strike back and defend himself, is manipulative and the types of tactics girls use to target other girls in middle school (indirect aggression) and when he copes by dealing with it directly and defending himself he is called a bully. Like girls talking bad behind your back but when you defend yourself directly they point a finger at you and call you "aggressive." This is been done to him but not not in middle school on a small scale but in a large scale that includes the whole country, is some collective karma that is been created and it hurts to watch, I don't have him up in pedestal but I do respect his work ethic and know his intentions are good. Is not about him, is about how he is been treated my issue, there is something really messed up about it.

Maybe you don't see it but that is what I see and feel in my gut is happening.

posted March 30, 2020 02:55 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I don't see my exchanges with hypatia as "heated" - they aren't intentionally. We just have opposite views when it comes to politics.

I'm the same way. I don't enjoy arguing, but I will defend my viewpoint, unless I've had enough.

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posted March 30, 2020 03:07 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:

People I'm really close to, know that sometimes I need to just rant, or "let it out". The rest of the time, I'll go quiet. I need to start writing in a journal again, instead of ending up in accidental arguments.

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I totally get what you are talking about!

posted March 30, 2020 04:08 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I don't see my exchanges with hypatia as "heated" - they aren't intentionally

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posted March 30, 2020 05:56 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I want to add that I don't talk about Trump and reference his chart bc I am trying to get people to vote for him, that is not at all my motive, I want people to vote in a way that feels right to them, in line with their views and who they are etc.

I talk about him and his chart bc I am trying to neutralize people's views on him and humanize him, just trying to help balance out perspective a little so people feel more NEUTRAL about him that is all. Neutral is good I feel, nothing karmic with neutral going on, you dont have to love him or hate him, he is just a human being who is a part of us too.

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posted March 30, 2020 10:37 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
My issue is that I do feel the media has targeted him and used their power against him and I don't think that is right and this has had a lot of consequences and divided this country a lot, yes there was tension already building up before he came to power between both parties I agree and this is beyond him but is not okay. My level of like towards him is professional, I just respect him and understand his personality that is all.

My passion kicks in bc I feel he is been mistreated and he does not deserved to be hated with so much passion, it hurts me to see people hate him so much, it feels really wrong, it feels like people are creating some really dark karma with him. I am trying to be the voice that helps neutralize that karma. Is not okay to hate someone that deeply, he does not deserve that sort of hate. He reminds me of someone been bullied but the people bullying him call him the bully bc he has the balls to strike back and defend himself, is manipulative and the types of tactics girls use to target other girls in middle school (indirect aggression) and when he copes by dealing with it directly and defending himself he is called a bully. Like girls talking bad behind your back but when you defend yourself directly they point a finger at you and call you "aggressive." This is been done to him but not not in middle school on a small scale but in a large scale that includes the whole country, is some collective karma that is been created and it hurts to watch, I don't have him up in pedestal but I do respect his work ethic and know his intentions are good. Is not about him, is about how he is been treated my issue, there is something really messed up about it.

Maybe you don't see it but that is what I see and feel in my gut is happening.

As for me been argumentative, I explained earlier that I was reacting to been tired of this whole social phenomenon involving him and not to what you said, I was responding to the general trend of how people react to him and see him who don't like him and not to your views specifically and then you got really offended bc you felt I was referring to your views and putting you in a liberal box. There genuinely was a misunderstanding bc I did not express myself carefully and was venting about others generally in a way that seemed like I was venting about you, transference so to speak but I knew I was not referring to you when I was responding.

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it's very common for the media to play sides, but that is not the sole reason why he divides people

if you blame just the media and ignore the way he speaks and so on and how that alienates people who have opposing views you're very blind

he is not just some victim here, and has taken many shots back at the media

you have a very intriguing perception of what's going on and what people dislike about him and really i'm not seeing any "bullying" here when the man has plenty of support

people with personalities like his get attention, for better and worse, and the same can be said for people in a position of power

you're not a neutral voice at all and it's not really creating balance, if anything it comes off as a way to create more opposition both towards him and yourself

because none of what you say is balanced or neutral

i don't see it because he has many supporters and other candidates and public figures also get huge amounts of hate for existing without having that level of power or polarizing personality

i also don't quite believe in karma the way you do, and i hardly think people opposing an authority figure is the creation of negative karma especially in a country where it's a right to have that freedom

you did explain that yes, and i accepted the explanation but i also pointed out that you responded to me and went off on a passionate rant in that response that ignored everything i actually said

you did not initially acknowledge my actual words, but you did respond to me

it's a little hard to view a response to something i've said as directed at other people without that being expressed, especially when it hinges on a word i used (which you took out of context)

> then you got really offended bc you felt I was referring to your views and putting you in a liberal box.

in your line of work you should know better than to project feelings onto another person like that

you didn't offend me at all much less "really offend" me, i just found what you said senseless as a response and said as much

because you not only proved my point about polarization, but you responded to me while ignoring what i actually said

i don't get offended by people being nonsensically passionate over things even when it looks directed at me

just because i called you on it doesn't mean i had all these feelings about it, i'm not easily offended i just found it stupid

the reason i let you know my own views are different is because i didn't know if you knew them or not and you went straight into complaining about the left

if you think your views come off as neutral or balancing you should really reevaluate honestly

because while it might seem like taking shots at the other side balances the situation it only further polarizes

meeting halfway is how you gain neutrality "i understand why you think x but look at y" and so on, because then you're not steamrolling over perceived opposition while discrediting your own neutrality

posted March 30, 2020 10:55 AM            

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Originally posted by ULT12:
Perhaps this is a me thing. When people talk fast, I feel/think they're "riled up" (think: excited - not "heated" as in "angry" if you thought I meant that) - and that's the imaginary voice in my head I give to hyp sometimes.

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posted March 30, 2020 12:07 PM            

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Originally posted by ULT12:
Perhaps this is a me thing. When people talk fast, I feel/think they're "riled up" (think: excited - not "heated" as in "angry" if you thought I meant that) - and that's the imaginary voice in my head I give to hyp sometimes.

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posted March 30, 2020 12:43 PM            

You also always word things to make it clear that nothing bothers you but things do bother you, I could feel your emotions that you like to suppress and minimize on this thread, you have mars on your IC square moon on your DC, you get emotional too but like to see yourself as stoic, perhaps bc your moon falls on the DC you don't own your moon and see getting emotional as a weakness in others and not in yourself. Meanwhile you have a long history of abusing drugs which numbs the emotions and people who abuse drugs are hiding from their emotions.

I guess we all gave blindsides and nobody is perfect.

posted March 30, 2020 12:53 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I am not neutral and have a positivity bias towards Trump while everyone I work with has a negativity bias towards him. I did displace anger towards you and just because I am a counselor doesn't mean I am not biased or don't have off days bc everyone is biased including you and it doesn't mean we dont engage in defense mechanisms on occasion such as displacement of anger, my personal favorite is rationalization. Turns out counselors are all subject to same biases and defense mechanism as everyone else bc we too are humans and both cognitive biases and defense mechanism fall in the field of social psychology which focuses on how we humans are alike.

That been said I may not be neutral but am pro choice and gay rights. I am okay with not been neutral and with my positivity bias towards Trump.

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i was referring to you telling me how i feel, your projection of a false self onto me, when i said that not your displacement of feelings which i already acknowledged as wrong

i get it you're passionate i can already tell what you're used to saying to people based on what you've said, your word choices make your surroundings very clear (i aknowledged them immediately)

in a calmer frame of mind, which i imagine you're in now, i would assume you'd be able to see that

you can have a bias while still speaking in a way that actually promotes neutrality, you don't while simultaneously claiming that you're trying to neutralize things

your approach to neutrality is throwing gasoline on a fire, i mean i guess if you burn the whole ******* thing down you're eventually left with nothing which is "neutral" but that's not exactly your end game so it doesn't work

i expect counselors to be human and displace and so on sometimes, but i also expect them to be more rational and level headed and in a calmer frame of mind to know not to project things onto other people

by telling me i was offended you gave me feelings i didn't have and responded to someone who isn't me

i'm not a huge fan of that sort of thing for obvious reasons, i prefer authenticity and someone engaging with a projection of me lacks that

your personal views further illustrate my point on why the 2 party system is broken btw, so does the polarizing behavior displacement of anger and so on

personally when it comes to abortion i have the view that the government should have no say in it and it's an individual choice

i think it's very similar to behavior exhibited by many species and has existed throughout history and is just humans being humans

however that being said from an individual standpoint i do see it as "morally wrong" on many levels, but that being said personal morality has no place in some matters

as for being pro-gay well, i'm bi myself so i have no issues with it, but that's another area i don't think the government really has a place in

i think in many ways the government oversteps into areas it just doesnt belong, but personal views aside neither of those topics is particularly relevant here

posted March 30, 2020 01:06 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Dumuzi, is interesting bc you don't like mercury in Virgo but the last dispositor of your own mercury in leo is sun in Virgo at aries point so your own mercury operates like a Leo/Virgo hybrid and is actually quite Virgo like. You possess in yourself the qualities of mercury in virgo but you don't own them as yours and just see them in others. Maybe bc Mercury rules your 12H.

You also always word things to make it clear that nothing bothers you but things do bother you, I could feel your emotions that you like to suppress and minimize on this thread, you have mars on your IC square moon on your DC, you get emotional too but like to see yourself as stoic, perhaps bc your moon falls on the DC you don't own your moon and see getting emotional as a weakness in others and not in yourself. Meanwhile you have a long history of abusing drugs which numbs the emotions and people who abuse drugs are hiding from their emotions.

I guess we all gave blindsides and nobody is perfect.

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i have no problem saying it when something bothers me, i openly told you i dislike people projecting things onto me

i have a real issue with that, which is what you're doing again by telling me you "feel" feelings i don't have on this subject

it's not really a matter of disliking the people as a whole, there's a difficulty there when it comes to communication that i always meet that makes them generally stand out to me

like i said it's a me issue, not their fault, i can find it all a bit tedious

i let you know what doesn't bother me so we can avoid situations like this where you try to tell me what does and what doesn't get under my skin, because through text it's hard to tell

of course things can bother me, everyone has feelings and i'm no different i never pretend otherwise

also don't see myself as particularly stoic, opposite, i can be rather sensitive but not when it comes to these sorts of topics

i can push my feelings aside to get **** done but that isn't the same and i don't see emotion as weakness on a whole at all

it can be, when it becomes a detriment, but not in such general terms

while i do have difficulty pinning down my own feelings and explaining them in matters that hit close to home, i don't look down on expressive people and have a fair amount of admiration for them

again this is all you projecting

yes i have long history of drug use, which apparently is free game for people to toss out at me in unrelated conversations and always will be

typical but a little tiresome

my childhood of abuse and my drug history and those feelings that the drugs numbed and so on and so forth have nothing at all to do with trump and have no place in this particular discussion

you're equating 2 different things

i really wish you would speak to me as who i am rather than continue to invent someone to speak at

if i let you know i'm not bothered by something it's because emotions i don't have are projected onto me and i like clarity and authenticity

if we were just speaking in person you wouldn't be saying that, and i think perhaps you're feeling things from me that aren't there

i'd tell you if you were right, i have no shame in that, just like i'm openly telling you i find projection grating and if you continue to tell me how i feel even when i explain my side of things then yes we'll have a problem

posted March 30, 2020 02:46 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I am passionate and excited

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posted March 30, 2020 06:48 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Dumuzi good luck with everything! I don't have anything further to say.

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i'll be honest, that's the sort of ******** cop out response that makes me instantly lose huge amounts of respect for another person

you brought up my past drug use and the pain it was used to numb as if that's somehow comparable to saying "i'm not offended if you mistook me for being a liberal during your rant that seemed directed at me on the word 'dictator' being taken out of context" and instead of having anything worthwhile to say on your choice you back out and give me some "enjoy your life" ******** sentiment

i mean let's be real here hypatia i think it's pretty obvious that beatings, molestation, rape, gaslighting, narcissistic abuse, chronic physical illness, depression etc and so on don't fit into the same category as "somebody thought i was a liberal"

i think it's pretty obvious that things like panic attacks, anxiety, near constant nightmares, and flashbacks etc and so on aren't the equivalent of "someone took a word i said out of context and went on a rant that doesn't apply to me about the president"

they don't fall into the same ballpark even on any level

i love how no matter how long i'm off heroin there's damn near always someone who in unrelated conversation is there to remind me of it

i love how i can be sober completely even and there's always someone who when i disagree with them will just say "well you had a drug problem" as if that's somehow relevant or ground to stand on

because in a disagreement we may as well go straight to substance abuse, since that would mean what even if i was still on it? nothing in this context as far as i can see

i in no way look down on people for having emotion or feeling them openly, at all, as a matter of fact i tend to value other people's feelings and try to be there for them when i can over my own

and it's not because i see myself as stoic it's because i have a very hard time seeing my feelings as particularly valuable, but if i don't have them then i can't make them

after a lifetime of having people tell me how i feel or what i think and then responding to that person they've placed on me yes i tend to be very ******* clear when i don't have feelings on a subject and highly dislike when that thing is done to me

if that comes off as me trying to maintain a stoic facade just because i experience apathy where you experience passion then i don't know what to tell you

your lack of objectivity in a political discussion doesn't mean i have the feelings you placed on me there, but if you were hoping to get some sort of sentiment out of me by hitting below the belt and bringing up drug use and the trauma i've been through that i struggle with even still as if it's somehow relevant then congratulations

look at that i have feelings, congratulations you've affected me, and your ******** "enjoy your life response" means **** all to me right now

posted April 12, 2020 10:50 AM            

he served in vietnam.
my pluto is conjunct my mc in the 9th.
9th dealing with inlaws mc dealing with authority cant get any more cookbook than that.

my favorite cousins (also inlaws) have sun and mercury conjunct regulus, as does my son. well the new virgo regulus.

I always get new cars around august 20th for some reason.
my last 3 large long term purchases were made august 20-26th.

posted April 12, 2020 01:28 PM            

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Originally posted by DRVM614K:
Ahhhh yes... the drama

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my mother's midheaven is conjunct regulus exact if i remember right (so my sun is conjunct her midheaven, i like telling her that her life purpose was having me)