posted April 22, 2020 03:29 PM            

In sociology and psychology, mass hysteria (also known as mass psychogenic illness, collective hysteria, group hysteria, or collective obsessional behavior) is a phenomenon that transmits collective illusions of threats, whether real or imaginary, through a population in society as a result of rumors and fear (memory acknowledgement).

Some Examples from 1500−1800:

The dancing plague of 1518 was a case of dancing mania that occurred in Strasbourg, Alsace (then part of the Holy Roman Empire) in July 1518. Numerous people took to dancing for days.

The Irish Fright took place in England and parts of Wales in December 1688 during the Glorious Revolution. False reports that Irish soldiers were burning and massacring English towns prompted a mass panic in at least nineteen counties, with thousands of people arming themselves and preparing to resist non-existent groups of marauding Irishmen.[9]

Salem witch trials (1692−1693) - In colonial Massachusetts, adolescent girls Abigail Williams, Betty Parris, Ann Putnam, Jr., and Elizabeth Hubbard began to have fits that were described by a minister as "beyond the power of Epileptic Fits or natural disease to effect."[10] The events resulted in the Salem witch trials, a series of hearings which resulted in the execution of 20 citizens and the death of five other citizens of Salem Village, Massachusetts (present day Danvers, Massachusetts) and nearby towns who were accused of practicing witchcraft.[11] The episode is one of America's most notorious cases of mass hysteria, and it has been used in political rhetoric and popular literature as a vivid cautionary tale about the dangers of isolationism, religious extremism, false accusations and lapses in due process.[12]

Würzburg 1749 - An outbreak of screaming, squirming, and trance in a nunnery led to the execution of a suspected witch.[13]

The Great Fear was a general panic that took place between 17 July and 3 August 1789, at the start of the French Revolution.[14]

posted April 23, 2020 04:02 PM            

Thanks for asking. In every case we'd be looking at planets Jupiter and outward since it is not until we get as far out as that planet we start getting into group or collective dynamics. But we're especially looking at Neptune with hysteria, Uranus with extreme group behaviors, Saturn & Pluto when they turn deadly.

The dancing plague of July 1518 took place in Strasbourg, France, so the astrology of it would give more insights if anchored to that locale. Dancing relates to Neptune, especially when in groups. The Neptune factor is also reinforced if you buy into the idea that it was the hallucinogen Ergot from tainted grain. However, chronic mass stress from disease and poverty cannot be underestimated to pushing people into extreme behaviors.

Swiss Ephemeris with declinations: http://www.astro.com/swisseph/ae/1500/ae_1518d.pdf

Neptune 13° south contra-parallel to Mars (14° north at beginning of the month). At the end of the month Mars moved into contra-parallel with Pluto 20S39.

Saturn was 5-6° Capricorn that month and Pluto 3-4° Capricorn, so they were square. So that is the focal aspect world-wide during that time. This was almost certainly a time of very vigorous authoritarianism and unconscious fears affecting many. Saturn 22.8-9° south was also in 45° declination aspect with N.Node ~23° north.

Jupiter in Virgo was square Lunar Nodes.

The Irish Fright took place in England and parts of Wales in December 1688, apparently beginning on the 13th. This was a homicidal panic by armed militarists or paramilitaries from the countryside. That means Mars and/or Pluto would be involved in some way.

Swiss Ephemeris with declinations: http://www.astro.com/swisseph/ae/1600/ae_1688d.pdf

It hows Mars 17° Scorpio opposite Uranus 19° Taurus (also applying to exact contra-parallel); Jupiter 28° Capricorn opposite Pluto 24° Cancer, these t-squaring the Lunar Nodes at 22° Aries/Libra.

Salem witch trials in colonial Massachusetts beginning February 1692, lasting through May 1693. Another case of paranoia and cross-motivations, betrayal, possibly Ergot (or some other toxin) being involved, especially with the "fits". Outer planets, especially Neptune & Pluto, would be expected to be involved, but with the 19 executions by hanging I'd expect Saturn too (haging, hangmen is Saturn and/or Pluto).

Swiss Ephemeris for 1692: http://www.astro.com/swisseph/ae/1600/ae_1692d.pdf

It is interesting that Pluto was at 27° Cancer to start the month and at the extreme declination, 24.4° north (out of bounds), which was parallel Mars 23.3° north. With Mars going from 25N15 to 25N40 that month and Pluto 24N20 to 24N27, we could see an orb of influence for the parallel at more than 1°. Mars parallel Pluto emboldens persons to act unconsciously, but with confidence, to act with vengeance or mercilessness if they are not guided by the golden rule.

Saturn in Sagittarius was moving into square with Neptune in Pisces. That aspect continued most of that year and culminated in very early 1693, and still very close by May when the last trial took place. Back to Feb 1692 when it started ... Uranus at 1° Gemini was in 75° aspect with Neptune 16° Pisces.

Würzburg 1749 - An outbreak of screaming, squirming, and trance in a nunnery led to the execution of a suspected witch.There's not a specific enough time frame given for this one, but it seems to be localized enough and limited enough that a particular locale's (birth?) astrology would give more insights if a date were given on wikipedia

The Great Fear was a general panic that took place between 17 July and 3 August 1789. This developed into an armed uprising (largely by peasants), but with enough manic that armed aggressions were misdirected and confused as to who was who and for/against this or that party.

Swiss Ephemeris for 1789: http://www.astro.com/swisseph/ae/1700/ae_1789d.pdf

17 July shows Sun 24-25° Cancer conjunct Mercury 21-22° Cancer, which were also square Neptune 20° Libra, and trine Saturn 23° Pisces.

In declination, Jupiter and Uranus were parallel at 19° north.

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posted April 24, 2020 01:55 PM            

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[b]The dancing plague of July 1518 took place in Strasbourg, France, so the astrology of it would give more insights if anchored to that locale. Dancing relates to Neptune, especially when in groups. The Neptune factor is also reinforced if you buy into the idea that it was the hallucinogen Ergot from tainted grain. However, chronic mass stress from disease and poverty cannot be underestimated to pushing people into extreme behaviors.

Swiss Ephemeris with declinations: http://www.astro.com/swisseph/ae/1500/ae_1518d.pdf

Neptune 13° south contra-parallel to Mars (14° north at beginning of the month). At the end of the month Mars moved into contra-parallel with Pluto 20S39.

Saturn was 5-6° Capricorn that month and Pluto 3-4° Capricorn, so they were square. So that is the focal aspect world-wide during that time. This was almost certainly a time of very vigorous authoritarianism and unconscious fears affecting many. Saturn 22.8-9° south was also in 45° declination aspect with N.Node ~23° north.

Jupiter in Virgo was square Lunar Nodes.

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There is something about people coping with hunger and stress by dancing to death that I find beautiful. It could have gone another route with that energy of stress leading to violence bc when you have nothing to lose you could just get angry and not care about anything and stop feeling compassion, yet they danced.

Maybe the contraparallel between Neptune and Mars is why it lead to the inspiration to dance it off instead of violence, so beautiful but maybe while mars started to contraparallel pluto people started to die from it.

I am looking at the ephemeris for Strasbourg, FR for July 1st. I am seeing Mars conjunct Uranus in TAURUS exact! Like you said Uranus can point to erratic behavior and mars is movement/action and would want to engage in action to address a problem but is falling in Taurus which is ruled by VENUS and this could explain why that Mars conjunct Uranus was channeled in a Venusian style of expression through "dance" instead of "violence."

Tr Mars trined Jupiter conjunct JUNO in Virgo which like you said was squaring the nodes so Jupiter gave them energy perhaps to keep dancing and dancing and since it was conjunct Juno there was a strong commitment to this dancing and since it was squaring the nodes this gave them a sense of purpose/direction.

During this time there was also Neptune in Aquarius, this could also reinforce the theme around dancing as a group and perhaps as a way to release stress and protest peacefully since Neptune was contraparallel Mars in Taurus and the second half the month Mars in Taurus was squaring Neptune in Aquarius.

Is really sweet and interesting this one.

I see also Pluto conjunct Saturn and this region was riddled with starvation and disease and like you said there were issues with authoritarianism!, so there is a pattern maybe with governments expanding their powers during times of crisis which leads to increased authoritarianism with this aspect. Pluto is power and Saturn is the planet connected with government, maintaining the status quo, business, big corporations, laws and regulations. So yes when saturn conjuncts pluto this is a high risk time for government to expand its power and people to lose their powers . Sad.

"Modern theories include food-poisoning caused by the toxic and psychoactive chemical products of ergot fungi, which grows commonly on grains in the wheat family (such as rye) that was used for baking bread. Ergotamine is the main psychoactive product of ergot fungi; it is structurally related to the drug lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD-25), and is the substance from which LSD-25 was originally synthesized. The same fungus has also been implicated in other major historical anomalies, including the Salem witch trials. However, John Waller in The Lancet argues that "this theory does not seem tenable, since it is unlikely that those poisoned by ergot could have danced for days at a time. Nor would so many people have reacted to its psychotropic chemicals in the same way. The ergotism theory also fails to explain why virtually every outbreak occurred somewhere along the Rhine and Moselle rivers, areas linked by water but with quite different climates and crops".[4] Waller speculates that the dancing was "stress-induced psychosis" on a mass level, since the region where the people danced was riddled with starvation and disease, and the inhabitants tended to be superstitious. Seven other cases of dancing plague were reported in the same region during the medieval era.[5]"

posted April 24, 2020 02:24 PM            

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hypatia238,

Thanks for asking. In every case we'd be looking at planets Jupiter and outward since it is not until we get as far out as that planet we start getting into group or collective dynamics. But we're especially looking at Neptune with hysteria, Uranus with extreme group behaviors, Saturn & Pluto when they turn deadly.

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posted April 24, 2020 03:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:

[b]The Irish Fright took place in England and parts of Wales in December 1688, apparently beginning on the 13th. This was a homicidal panic by armed militarists or paramilitaries from the countryside. That means Mars and/or Pluto would be involved in some way.

Swiss Ephemeris with declinations: http://www.astro.com/swisseph/ae/1600/ae_1688d.pdf

It hows Mars 17° Scorpio opposite Uranus 19° Taurus (also applying to exact contra-parallel); Jupiter 28° Capricorn opposite Pluto 24° Cancer, these t-squaring the Lunar Nodes at 22° Aries/Libra.

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It makes a lot of sense that mars in scorpio in hard aspect to Uranus would lead to unpredictable violence as a reaction if enough stress has build up, unlike The Dancing Plague were Mars was conjunct Uranus but in Taurus while it squared Neptune and/or contra parallel Neptune. Uranus played a role in both but With mars been at home in Scorpio instead of ruled by Venus we get very different results with how Uranus triggered erratic behavior. Fascinating Truly.

posted April 24, 2020 03:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:

[b]Salem witch trials in colonial Massachusetts beginning February 1692, lasting through May 1693. Another case of paranoia and cross-motivations, betrayal, possibly Ergot (or some other toxin) being involved, especially with the "fits". Outer planets, especially Neptune & Pluto, would be expected to be involved, but with the 19 executions by hanging I'd expect Saturn too (hanging, hangmen is Saturn and/or Pluto).

Swiss Ephemeris for 1692: http://www.astro.com/swisseph/ae/1600/ae_1692d.pdf

It is interesting that Pluto was at 27° Cancer to start the month and at the extreme declination, 24.4° north (out of bounds), which was parallel Mars 23.3° north. With Mars going from 25N15 to 25N40 that month and Pluto 24N20 to 24N27, we could see an orb of influence for the parallel at more than 1°. Mars parallel Pluto emboldens persons to act unconsciously, but with confidence, to act with vengeance or mercilessness if they are not guided by the golden rule.
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Pluto out of bounds parallel Mars in CANCER! Mars in detriment in combo with pluto out of bounds, sounds like a recipe for disaster. Pluto out of bounds alone makes me think thirsty for blood.

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Saturn in Sagittarius was moving into square with Neptune in Pisces. That aspect continued most of that year and culminated in very early 1693, and still very close by May when the last trial took place. Back to Feb 1692 when it started ... Uranus at 1° Gemini was in 75° aspect with Neptune 16° Pisces.

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This Saturn in Saggy square Neptune in Pisces is interesting. This clash/war between conventional religion (saturn in saggy) and Paganism (Neptune in Pisces). Fear and rejection of a less structured approach to spirituality were you are encouraged to find power in yourself and through nature instead of a religion based on a hierarchy of power and led by humans who want to control behavior and tell you how to think and what is right or wrong. Saturn in Saggy sees Neptune in pisces as too wild and free hahaha.

"Uranus at 1° Gemini was in 75° aspect with Neptune 16° Pisces."

posted April 24, 2020 04:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:

[b]The Great Fear was a general panic that took place between 17 July and 3 August 1789. This developed into an armed uprising (largely by peasants), but with enough manic that armed aggressions were misdirected and confused as to who was who and for/against this or that party.

Swiss Ephemeris for 1789: http://www.astro.com/swisseph/ae/1700/ae_1789d.pdf

17 July shows Sun 24-25° Cancer conjunct Mercury 21-22° Cancer, which were also square Neptune 20° Libra, and trine Saturn 23° Pisces.

In declination, Jupiter and Uranus were parallel at 19° north.

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Sounds like a Mess and gives me that Centaur feeling since is a story about accidentally hurting the wrong group you intended to hurt (wrong party, friendly fire?). Centaurs have that "accidentally shooting your own foot" which results in a war theme going.

There is also a theme of confusion (Neptune) and chaos (Uranus) resulting in shooting the wrong people (Mars).

Great Fear
Jul 20, 1789 – Aug 6, 1789
Looking at July 20th I see:

*The SOUTHNODE is in the Fixed star Algol

*Northnode is in Scorpio inconjunct Chiron

*Pluto in AQUARIUS (CHAOS) rules the Northnode so lets see what it is doing: Pluto in aquarius is forming a grand trine with MARS and NEPTUNE (A war driven by a revolution causing chaos were people get confused and shoot the wrong people fits this pattern).

posted April 27, 2020 02:07 PM            

Today Uranus is at 6TAU40, Neptune 20PIS0 = 46.6°. Certainly I'd expect a functioning orb of no more than about 2°. Otherwise, some of them will start to step on the Nonagon at 40° (which should probably get roughly the same orb).

Looking ahead to May 15, the orb is 2.2°. So is that out of range?

May 30 the orb is 2.7°, certainly out of range in my mind.

So I think by mid-May we'll see more sensible reporting and some rationality start to creep into news stories one story, one organization at a time that counters the confusion and hysteria.

About the aspect in declination -- Saturn <15°> Neptune -- that is less important and relates more to anxiety and pessimism. Currently that aspect is exact: orb=0°00'. I see it outwardly in people wearing masks right out in the open outdoors when biking or walking: irrational anxiety, pessimism.

This aspect is far slower and won't have moved much by May 15. By June 15 with Saturn 20S06 and Neptune 4S34, the aspect will be 15.5° (orb=0.5°).

July 15: Saturn 20S34 - Neptune 4S38 = 15°58', and I think getting closer to the aspect being separated if we think in terms of an approximately 1° orb.

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posted April 27, 2020 08:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Good question. Something good to watch, because I'd like to get a read on the mundane orb of influence for such a minor aspect. So let's watch it together and see what we see.

Today Uranus is at 6TAU40, Neptune 20PIS0 = 46.6°. Certainly I'd expect a functioning orb of no more than about 2°. Otherwise, some of them will start to step on the Nonagon at 40° (which should probably get roughly the same orb).

Looking ahead to May 15, the orb is 2.2°. So is that out of range?

May 30 the orb is 2.7°, certainly out of range in my mind.

So I think by mid-May we'll see more sensible reporting and some rationality start to creep into news stories one story, one organization at a time that counters the confusion and hysteria.

About the aspect in declination -- Saturn <15°> Neptune -- that is less important and relates more to anxiety and pessimism. Currently that aspect is [b]exact: orb=0°00'. I see it outwardly in people wearing masks right out in the open outdoors when biking or walking: irrational anxiety, pessimism.

This aspect is far slower and won't have moved much by May 15. By June 15 with Saturn 20S06 and Neptune 4S34, the aspect will be 15.5° (orb=0.5°).

July 15: Saturn 20S34 - Neptune 4S38 = 15°58', and I think getting closer to the aspect being separated if we think in terms of an approximately 1° orb.

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Excellent analysis!

Thank you very much for sharing.

Looks like saturn aspect neptune in declination will linger for a while longer but by mid July to the end of July we should not be feeling the effects.

posted April 28, 2020 01:11 PM            

Also, I want to point out that each one of these aspects opens a window of opportunity for something good. With tension aspects between Uranus & Neptune it is widening of perception, the integration of new ideas, and modification of one's ideals. With Saturn & Neptune it is about restructuring to better align with one's ideals rather than fear or 'caution.'

We'll eventually have to learn that compassion is not a by-product of caution, but a state of unity consciousness and actions. There are people dying at home needlessly alone in the current lockdowns and shelter-in-place orders, indicating there is some factor in the mass consciousness right now not wanting to face mortality or some aspects of it.

Tensions will return in a big way when the school year is supposed to restart in August/September. Saturn will have gone Rx and tightened up its conjunction with Pluto again while Jupiter is back in mid-Capricorn. And Mars-D-Rx-D in Aries will square them and factor in through Christmas.

Saturn conjunct Pluto is a power reset especially attractive to control freaks, powermongers, resource hoarders, etc. They will try to get as much of their agenda in through society-wide policies as possible. And they will not give up. This is especially significant to the USA, because this conjunction is happening right on top of/around the US natal Pluto at 27° Capricorn.

So I think part of the tensions in the people at large is that many of us have sensed this battle coming for a while. We'd like to think it would be expressed through the normal democratic mechanisms of elections as a straight up choice. No, the real powermongers don't care about elections. They look to gain power in motion. First it is the medical establishment as a front for big pharma trying to gain as much power as possible from the current situation along with big tech. Then the banks. Government is just a mechanism for these interests getting what they want: more power and more profit.

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posted April 28, 2020 01:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:

Saturn conjunct Pluto is a power reset especially attractive to control freaks, powermongers, resource hoarders, etc. They will try to get as much of their agenda in through society-wide policies as possible. And they will not give up. This is especially significant to the USA, because this conjunction is happening right on top of/around the US natal Pluto at 27° Capricorn.

So I think part of the tensions in the people at large is that many of us have sensed this battle coming for a while. We'd like to think it would be expressed through the normal democratic mechanisms of elections as a straight up choice. No, the real powermongers don't care about elections. They look to gain power in motion. First it is the medical establishment as a front for big pharma trying to gain as much power as possible from the current situation along with big tech. Then the banks. Government is just a mechanism for these interests getting what they want: more power and more profit.

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This is what concerns me, us losing our rights while corporatism grows stronger by using this crisis as an opportunity to expand and grow in power at the cost of us the people losing our power/individual rights.

posted April 28, 2020 02:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:

We'll eventually have to learn that compassion is not a by-product of caution, but a state of unity consciousness and actions. There are people dying at home needlessly alone in the current lockdowns and shelter-in-place orders, indicating there is some factor in the mass consciousness right now not wanting to face mortality or some aspects of it.

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I agree there is a very strong fear of death and maybe this is meant to help people confront their fear of death.

My mother is a doctor but from my father's side of my family a lot of us don't trust hospitals and we have a strong faith in our own bodies to heal and fight things. My grandmother died at 93 and rarely went to the doctor. I inherited this, I avoid going to the doctor/hospitals. They have their place in society and there are times is reckless not to go to the doctor like my uncle from paternal side who had epilepsy and died of it bc he refused to go the doctor but I don't trust doctors/medical establishment blindly or over depend on them or worship them or see them as infallible and all knowing, I challenge and question them and encourage others to do the same and do their own research and listen to their bodies, you are probably the best example I know of someone that does this to the core.

People have to do their own research when it comes their health and don't trust the media which I feel works for big pharma.

Some current examples of why I don't trust hospitals:

88 Percent of Patients in NYC Placed on Ventilators Died, Study Finds http://www.newsmax. com/us/newyork-coronavirus-ventilators-deaths/2020/04/23/id/964425/?fbclid=IwAR2ClWmneIjMYEvXw8CL73L3-Fxv6PEN_VQ-gqoFxPs1rsy2Za1dubM0CxE

posted April 28, 2020 07:45 PM            

I will share that video on social media.

posted April 28, 2020 09:29 PM            

Thanks for watching the video and sharing your thoughts about it, I feel more confident about sharing it now.

Thanks for the article, I will share that as well on my Facebook and it explains why I am wary of hospitals.

It seems though that there is not conclusive evidence that this is airborne or not, it has not been confirmed or ruled out, there is contradicting data on it: http://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00974-w

Regardless even if it is airborne this doesn't mean necessarily it can spread super easily this way as viral load plays a role too it seems, so there are all this other variables that need to be studied around the possibility of it been airborne it sounds like but the fact that death rates are low tells me that if it is airborne that viral load and immunity plays an important role.

posted April 29, 2020 01:58 PM            

I'd like to see people put more emphasis on their immune system and believing in it than on the virus or its supposed novel qualities.

Again astrologically:

- Uranus semi-square Neptune + Saturn <15° declination> = uncertainty, new ideas, new conditions, challenges to old ideas and assumptions, uncertainty leading some to confusion and anxious, pessimistic assumptions.

- Current focal point: Jupiter conjunct Pluto in Capricorn, which is colored in what we'd term 'detriment' in the old way of talking, an opportunity for increased confidence by those connected to (corporate) resources to increase their wealth and influence in a material way that may lose sight of the bigger picture. Line of sight with planets in conjuction to Pluto tends to be narrowed and obsessive, conducive to blind spots.

- Longer focal point: Saturn conjunct Pluto = focus on control, increase in ambition and control measures by those who are in power or normally exert their power from a more concealed place; a restart of public policies regarding resources and their allocation, boundaries, limits, who should have power.

I'm more interested in the accuracy and truthfulness in how the story is being told so far based on the actual data we do have and what is truly warranted against the backdrop of legality and national constitutions. We're watching a big power grab by the medical establishment who are largely acting as advocates and promoters for big pharma. We should start with accuracy in well established terms ...

Quarantine is the isolation of sick people.

That's not what we've been experiencing.

The stories we tell ourselves are far more important than anything we claim to know about covid19 while it is still so new.

Yesterday I heard someone say to me, "I have no immune system." I compare that to a plumber being given all the tools of their trade, but told to do nothing. Our cells and body systems hear every word we say. They function not only materially, but in consciousness.

We are the Captains of our own immune systems. Let's take control of them more then ever -- including our psychic immune systems!

There is a lot of very subtle gas-lighting coming through the media and even from "health" professionals in Washington, DC which sabotages belief in our own health and immune systems and asks that we do nothing or expect no success until some vaccine-in-the-making is on the market (in 1-2 years). That is gaslighting because it is asking to not believe in your own immune systems and to be dependent on a product that does not yet exist.

We're watching sloppy for-profit run science in progress. We're seeing it more raw and out in the open than ever.

Please, believe more in yourself and in your own health than in what some salesman for big pharma tells you. That is a big issue we need to deal with -- but it is not nearly as important as what we tell ourselves, our own cells, our body systems.

More and more retail outlets are setting policies that their shoppers must wear face masks. I am boycotting all of them, no matter how much I like them or previously shopped there. Two of my favored outlets for natural health and medicine so far. I have communicated to them that I will boycotting them and encouraging others to do the same since there is absolutely zero science to support face masks as an effective preventive of viral disease as per the WHO's own study (page 26): http://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/329438/9789241516839-eng.pdf

More importantly, such a policy crosses my boundaries which is that you do not tell me what to wear or what I do with my own body. We each have to know our limits whether we can argue it on scientific terms or not. These legends that are building up a co-dependent picture of disease/health need to be trashed.

Protecting the masses with face masks supports the legend that we are all vulnerable. The young woman whose video you shared is telling the story of the consequences of that: scared nurses and doctors protecting themselves instead of caring properly for patients who truly are vulnerable.

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posted April 29, 2020 04:16 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I agree there is a very strong fear of death and maybe this is meant to help people confront their fear of death.

My mother is a doctor but from my father's side of my family a lot of us don't trust hospitals and we have a strong faith in our own bodies to heal and fight things. My grandmother died at 93 and rarely went to the doctor. I inherited this, I avoid going to the doctor/hospitals. They have their place in society and there are times is reckless not to go to the doctor like my uncle from paternal side who had epilepsy and died of it bc he refused to go the doctor but I don't trust doctors/medical establishment blindly or over depend on them or worship them or see them as infallible and all knowing, I challenge and question them and encourage others to do the same and do their own research and listen to their bodies, you are probably the best example I know of someone that does this to the core.

People have to do their own research when it comes their health and don't trust the media which I feel works for big pharma.

Some current examples of why I don't trust hospitals:

88 Percent of Patients in NYC Placed on Ventilators Died, Study Finds http://www.newsmax. com/us/newyork-coronavirus-ventilators-deaths/2020/04/23/id/964425/?fbclid=IwAR2ClWmneIjMYEvXw8CL73L3-Fxv6PEN_VQ-gqoFxPs1rsy2Za1dubM0CxE

The following video has a click bate title IMO but she is a whistle blower who is friends with an RN that is working in the hospitals in NY and is worth listening to what she has to say, info supports article above towards the end of video, is like 10 minutes:
http://youtu.be/ijxKKbpP4wI

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posted April 29, 2020 04:26 PM            

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I did not intend to start a cogitation over whether this virus may or may not be communicable through the air. I'll let scientists argue about that. Their differences of opinion only show that the science is confused so far, not that there are two off-the-shelf choices for us: supreme caution in the face of a virus or laxity. There seems to be precious little in the way of pursuit of co-factors and non-contagions as cause(s) of covid19. Nearly all the dialogue around it assumes virus alone with some occasional mention of the terrible air pollution of Northern Italy and the Wuhan area of China.

I'd like to see people put more emphasis on their immune system and believing in it than on the virus or its supposed novel qualities.

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posted April 29, 2020 06:15 PM            

We're also talking about a virus that is only legend to laypersons. This scientist brings into question whether SARS-CoV-2 was ever even actually properly isolated: http://youtu.be/6C_26ZIUlrQ

This is the kind of thing that goes far deeper into what we know and think we know than most people are ever willing to question.

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posted April 29, 2020 07:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
teasel, please stay on topic and don't turn this thread partisan.

We're also talking about a virus that is only legend to laypersons. This scientist brings into question whether SARS-CoV-2 was ever even actually properly isolated: http://youtu.be/6C_26ZIUlrQ

This is the kind of thing that goes far deeper into what we know and think we know than most people are ever willing to question.

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I'm staying on topic. I saw the viral video last night, and was surprised that the conspiracy theorists in the comments, didn't think that it could be fake. It's a video that contributes to mass hysteria, too. The North Node is moving into Gemini, but this has been around for a while, so I was thinking about the astrology re: bots, and conspiracies running wild.

posted April 29, 2020 07:45 PM            

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2013/10/30/241797346/75-years-ago-war-of-the-worlds-started-a-panic-or-did-it

"75 Years Ago, 'War Of The Worlds' Started A Panic. Or Did It?"

The Slate article:
http://slate.com/culture/2013/10/orson-welles-war-of-the-worlds-panic-myth-the-infamous-radio-broadcast-did-not-cause-a-nationwide-hysteria.html