posted May 19, 2020 06:56 AM            

I’m currently reading Peggy Lipton’s autobiography.
She was a style icon of the 60/70s, was an actress, dated famous musicians and ultimately married Quincy Jones and had 2 daughters with him (Kidada and Rashida Jones; both actresses)

Her NN is in 4th house (Gem), her SN in 10th (Sag)

She was pretty famous and sought after when she met Quincy Jones. She was also very troubled. On the outside she was that perfect It-Girl that seemed to have so much going for her. On the inside she was deeply insecure, stumbled from one codependent relationship to the next and had a secret of child abuse, she couldn’t talk with anyone about. After marrying him, she quit her acting career and focused on her marriage and children. She resumed her career 14 years later, after their divorce. They remained friends through out her life. She passed away in 2019.

In her biography she describes her life before meeting him and then after that. That instant connection they had (her Sun on his SN), them moving in together after a few weeks of dating. So typical of Sun to SN btw. I experienced that, too.
It was clear to her from the start that she would stay home and focus on the children, this is what she wanted and longed for. But being home she lost her identity gradually, she felt drained (also Sun to SN in synastry; you want to get out after a while)
After the divorce she resumed her acting career but there were major road blocks and she felt very lost, until she went on a serious quest of self-healing. Her realization that she was obsessed with the notion of having to be perfect and always seeking validation from the outside, gave room to finding acceptance in herself.
Again she resumed acting and focusing on her career but not to the same extent she did, when she started out. She found her purpose and equilibrium by balancing out both nodes.

Now this might be something most of you already have known, but to me it’s a new realization. Because I always felt, like SN was something bad and we should strive to our NN! But this is actually wrong, because the real journey is to find middle ground between both forces.

Seeing that reflected in my own life .. me having SN in 1st house Scorpio and NN in 7th house Taurus..

my biggest trouble so far, was remaining true to myself while being in a relationship. And keeping healthy boundaries while being in a relationship.
It’s a real struggle for me that always had real consequences in my life. I gravitate towards partnerships, they always somehow find me and then gradually I lose my own interests and only function in that relationship. Then when it gets too much I break free, I built myself up again, then meet someone new and that cycle starts all over again. I lost jobs and friendships because of that, and also compromised my mental health.

So the struggle between SN and the NN is actually to bring both energies together and let them coexist. Not just deny one energy for the benefit of the other.

While I had already read that somewhere else, seeing that reflected so vividly in someone else’s narrative is a reminder for me, that this is something i shall not forget again.

A lot of stories repeat themselves and we all actually have so much knowledge (theoretically), but there’s a difference between having information and knowing what the right steps might be, as opposed to actually letting that information sink in and feeling it and acting on it.

Maybe someone finds this helpful today.

posted May 19, 2020 07:10 PM            

I’ve been in dysfunctional relationships all my life. It’s because my SN is in my first house which means I have low self esteem. Once I master the 1st house and begin to value my worth and respect myself, only then can I follow my life path and form functional relationships.

posted May 19, 2020 11:55 PM            

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Originally posted by ana_bee:

Maybe someone finds this helpful today.

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Oddly as I was wondering how one goes from their South to North Node. (literally came onto this forum now to see if maybe someone wrote something talking about the nodes)

posted May 20, 2020 06:50 PM            

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Originally posted by mikstar:
I’ve been in dysfunctional relationships all my life. It’s because my SN is in my first house which means I have low self esteem. Once I master the 1st house and begin to value my worth and respect myself, only then can I follow my life path and form functional relationships.

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You've already mastered the South Node.
South Node in 1st H indicates an independent person, relying on yourself instead of relying on others. You have to learn how to relate. Being indepedent can lead to high self esteem but not to low self esteem.
Something else is to "blame" for the low self esteem you're talking about.

posted May 21, 2020 04:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
You've already mastered the South Node.
South Node in 1st H indicates an independent person, relying on yourself instead of relying on others. You have to learn how to relate. Being indepedent can lead to high self esteem but not to low self esteem.
Something else is to "blame" for the low self esteem you're talking about.

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From Karmic Astrology, by Martin Schulman :-

"Those with Taurus NN/Scorpio SN are confronted with some of the most difficult lessons of the zodiac. past lives have been strewn with endings as the Plutonian force of Scorpio worked through its process of transformation.

Now the person is so frightened of having the rug constantly pulled from under his/her feet that a defensive attitude is developed to all who offer him/her regenerative advice. In past incarnations, he/she literally went through the fires of hell to burn away his/her false values. Now, instead of falling back on the remains of Scorpio still within him/her, he/she must build through Taurus a new set of values to live by.

The chart must be studied carefully to see just how far the soul has come out of Scorpio before an accurate interpretation can be given. For those already closer to Taurus, the violent churning of Scorpio is purposefully avoided at all costs. For those barely out of Scorpio the internal revolutions are still going on. Planets conjunct either Node will pull the person towards that Node and force him/her to live through it in the current life.

He/she will make much growth when able to see the actions of others as reflections of his/her own subconscious. ... Ultimately, he/she is destined in this lifetime to reach a state of contentment as the seething volcanoes of Scorpio melt into the blue spirit waters of Taurus - where the beloved Gautama Buddha left his blessing. Truly this is the transition of lifetimes of war into a garden of peace."

posted May 21, 2020 04:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
Oddly as I was wondering how one goes from their South to North Node. (literally came onto this forum now to see if maybe someone wrote something talking about the nodes)

Thank you for your insight, it really borders what I was curious about. So I'll just continue to research it 🤗

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I have NN in Taurus/8th and SN in Scorpio/2nd. ... I came into this life trusting no-one (and thus, wary of the motives of everyone). I shall depart from it believing wholeheartedly in the message of the Rudyard Kipling poem "If" ... http://poets.org/poem/if

posted May 22, 2020 12:46 AM            

My entire life is about balancing relationships of being too accomodating vs being too blunt. And being too self orientated vs group orientated LOL

It gets worse, because my Sun is there too...just hyper charges everything.

posted May 22, 2020 07:59 AM            

I'm currently in a prolonged independent phase - even before lockdown ha - and I observed the other day that I need someone to bounce off of in order to understand myself better. Does that make sense?

Like, I learn more about myself in 121 contexts through the act of relating to others.

I have realised I very much need 121 relationships - but lockdown has forced me to find some of that middle ground, I guess.

posted May 22, 2020 12:01 PM            

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So the struggle between SN and the NN is actually to bring both energies together and let them coexist. Not just deny one energy for the benefit of the other.

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I absolutely agree with you.

I have Peggy Lipton's reverse situation.
I have SN in 4th and NN in 10th and as a result I have never been able to be a stay at home person, I have never even owned a home, I have moved a lot, and I mean a lot. I have been so focused on being out in the world.

posted May 22, 2020 12:04 PM            

Neglecting one in favor of the other is like someone only eating and never defecating, or someone not eating and always defecating. It's not good or healthy.

posted May 22, 2020 02:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
From Karmic Astrology, by Martin Schulman:-

"Those with Taurus NN/Scorpio SN are confronted with some of the most difficult lessons of the zodiac. past lives have been strewn with endings as the Plutonian force of Scorpio worked through its process of transformation.

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Ultimately, he/she is destined in this lifetime to reach a state of contentment as the seething volcanoes of Scorpio melt into the blue spirit waters of Taurus - where the beloved Gautama Buddha left his blessing. Truly this is the transition of lifetimes of war into a garden of peace."

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This resonates very well with me even if his metaphors are elementally inaccurate. 12th Taurus NN + Pisces Stellium. NN sextile/SN Trine Sun/Jupiter.

For me, roughly speaking:

- Locked in a fixed Scorpio iceblock;
- sublimated in the Sagittarian fire (Saturn conj Mars opp Gem Asc sq Pis Venus);
- to melt the block and stimulate the Pisces Flow;
- directed to the Taurean soil through which the garden sprouts.

Initial hard experiences are of increasing intensity due to the need to melt the emotional SN-block. The more the hard aspects are experienced the warmer it gets in order to melt the block - it can reach the level of scorching hellfire at the most intense. SN-mastery increases in proportion to the melting of the block: as more and more melts, less intensity-of-fire is needed.

Today, after plenty of days in various deserts and hells, I have less intense melting to do, and more directing the flowy streams of Pisces to the soils of Taurus = Spiritually anchored artwork as profession (Pisces 10th house, incl Venus).

SN is still 'active' but nowadays melting relatively comfortably on its way to Pisces through Sag, filtered through Cap, oxidized in Aqu.

posted May 23, 2020 06:22 AM            

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first off 90% of what is published about the node is astrology BS. the true nature of the node is censored and astrological publishers only published regurgitated pabulum. the node is at the center of all magic black and white. just as the black magicians who rule our culture hide behind the standard model of science, so to do they censor the node so that no one can see through their magically manipulation and control of civilization .
you might check out this thread that begins to dispel the BS around the node.
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63539

the node is the underlying energy that gives the astrological symbols their power. the node gives the timing of the planets and the node is the path to the astral planes.so the planets don't "turn on " the node.it is the opposite. for instance if one has a venus/mars square, then check when the node transited this square and you will find you life involved with a emotional relationship. and you can judge the mars/venus square directly with your experiences during the transit

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I can't find more than that about it online.

What are your thoughts on this?

posted May 23, 2020 02:19 PM            

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Originally posted by nomad-monad:
This resonates very well with me even if his metaphors are elementally inaccurate. 12th Taurus NN + Pisces Stellium. NN sextile/SN Trine Sun/Jupiter.

For me, roughly speaking:

- Locked in a fixed Scorpio iceblock;
- sublimated in the Sagittarian fire (Saturn conj Mars opp Gem Asc sq Pis Venus);
- to melt the block and stimulate the Pisces Flow;
- directed to the Taurean soil through which the garden sprouts.

Initial hard experiences are of increasing intensity due to the need to melt the emotional SN-block. The more the hard aspects are experienced the warmer it gets in order to melt the block - it can reach the level of scorching hellfire at the most intense. SN-mastery increases in proportion to the melting of the block: as more and more melts, less intensity-of-fire is needed.

Today, after plenty of days in various deserts and hells, I have less intense melting to do, and more directing the flowy streams of Pisces to the soils of Taurus = Spiritually anchored artwork as profession (Pisces 10th house, incl Venus).

SN is still 'active' but nowadays melting relatively comfortably on its way to Pisces through Sag, filtered through Cap, oxidized in Aqu.

[b]I am curious what the book you quote say about the reverse, SN Taurus/NN Scorpio?[/B]

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The book says the following about SN Taurus/NN Scorpio :-

"Here the person is learning to accept revolutionary changes within himself as well as the conditions in his life......

He finds it difficult to learn by watching others......

He has undergone so much past life damage to the ego that he now experiences an intense need to prove himself worthy of respect......

He must learn how objectively to study the results of his subconscious desires so that he can earn self-respect through practicing self-discipline.......

The house position of the SN indicates the area which has become decadent as a result of past incarnations. The house position of the NN shows the way in which the current life re-birth can be accomplished."

posted August 08, 2020 09:13 AM            

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Originally posted by Stellia:
I'm also a 1st house SN, 7th house NN person (although in Aquarius/Leo).

I'm currently in a prolonged independent phase - even before lockdown ha - and I observed the other day that I need someone to bounce off of in order to understand myself better. Does that make sense?

Like, I learn more about myself in 121 contexts through the act of relating to others.

I have realised I very much need 121 relationships - but lockdown has forced me to find some of that middle ground, I guess.

Interestingly, my closest friend also has a 1st/7th house Nodal axis and I think the same is true of him, except his sense of independence isn't as well developed. Hopefully his second nodal return later this year will help trigger some of that courage.

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posted August 12, 2020 01:28 PM            

I have a SN 1st house too.

I was wondering... Do we have to go to the North Node or it is something you choose to do? Like, it is set in stone that the North Node qualities will be developed in this lifetime or you can choose not to?

I have my North Node in Capricorn and I don't like it at all. I might be a little imature, but I don't want to own a business or to become all practical, that I will loose my emotions. At least, owning a business is one of the first things that is being said about Capricorn North Node.

posted August 13, 2020 02:45 AM            

You're right that we should strike a balance between our NN-SN although NN will constantly make you desire that area in life (7H) so it's how you control the desire.

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being home she lost her identity gradually, she felt drained (also Sun to SN in synastry; you want to get out after a while)

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Lada Duncheva said that it is better to have NN conjunct Sun as the Node person will identify more and more with the Sun person over time. With SN, it will be the reverse. The strong identification with Sun person will fade over time.

posted August 21, 2020 01:00 PM            

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Originally posted by mee_chryssa:
Hello!

I have a SN 1st house too.

I was wondering... Do we have to go to the North Node or it is something you choose to do? Like, it is set in stone that the North Node qualities will be developed in this lifetime or you can choose not to?

I have my North Node in Capricorn and I don't like it at all. I might be a little imature, but I don't want to own a business or to become all practical, that I will loose my emotions. At least, owning a business is one of the first things that is being said about Capricorn North Node.

You can change it or choose another path? I know that is probably what you need to do, but still... do you have to go all the way to do it?

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I don’t know how much free will we actually have.. like I don’t know if we actually can decide not to follow our NN’s calling or whether life will drag us there anyway, by manifesting our NN qualities in a negative way. In the case of Capricorn it would mean as major obstacles and frustrations as opposed to personal empowerment.

So it’s like whenever you chose acting according to your Node in the area of the house where it’s placed, you feel like, there are doors opening, it just feels better and more fulfilling. Solely sticking to your SN will frustrate you after a while. But you still need to find a balance. You can’t just deny your SN, especially not when it’s in your first house! Because it’s so much more a part of your identity!

So when your NN in Capricorn is in your 7th house.. you still identify as a Cancer, but you need to learn to relate to people in a more cool and detached way! Be kind and nurturing towards yourself, is the message! But don’t wallow in self-pity and also don’t smother your partner, your friends or your children! You need to form strong, long-lasting relationships (either business or romantic), but you need to chose wisely who you relate with and basically make a check list if they actually suit you, not only based on feelings and emotional attachments but in very concrete ways! So instead of picking someone who gives you the butterflies Or who you can care for, you especially need to pick the one who on top of that can also provide for you, and if it means less butterflies, so be it. You need the one who is 100% long-lasting relationship material. You also need to maintain a certain amount of emotional independence within that relationship!

posted August 21, 2020 01:06 PM            

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I have North Node conjunct DSC from the 6H so it's similar to having NN in 7H (in vedic it's right smack in 7H). It makes one obsessed with partnerships which is why we tend to neglect our own wellbeing once we're in a relationship. By 'obsessed' I don't mean we become crazy over the opposite sex. I mean our partners take centre stage in our lives. 7H is also the house of others (1H is self) so it can also make us overly concern over how others feel/think.

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YES!! Exactly my issues. I don’t consciously look for relationships, but as soon as I have one, it’s like I don’t know where and who I am anymore. It gets better with time though. But this is how it initially always felt like.
I enter a relationship as a confident independent being and gradually lose myself, and when it gets unbearable I break free by either leaving my partner or sabotaging my relationship and making the other one leave.

I read somewhere that 1st/7th house NN is the hardest, because your whole identity is on the line.

posted August 21, 2020 07:08 PM            

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Originally posted by ana_bee:
I don’t know how much free will we actually have.. like I don’t know if we actually can decide not to follow our NN’s calling or whether life will drag us there anyway, by manifesting our NN qualities in a negative way. In the case of Capricorn it would mean as major obstacles and frustrations as opposed to personal empowerment.

So it’s like whenever you chose acting according to your Node in the area of the house where it’s placed, you feel like, there are doors opening, it just feels better and more fulfilling. Solely sticking to your SN will frustrate you after a while. But you still need to find a balance. You can’t just deny your SN, especially not when it’s in your first house! Because it’s so much more a part of your identity!

So when your NN in Capricorn is in your 7th house.. you still identify as a Cancer, but you need to learn to relate to people in a more cool and detached way! Be kind and nurturing towards yourself, is the message! But don’t wallow in self-pity and also don’t smother your partner, your friends or your children! You need to form strong, long-lasting relationships (either business or romantic), but you need to chose wisely who you relate with and basically make a check list if they actually suit you, not only based on feelings and emotional attachments but in very concrete ways! So instead of picking someone who gives you the butterflies Or who you can care for, you especially need to pick the one who on top of that can also provide for you, and if it means less butterflies, so be it. You need the one who is 100% long-lasting relationship material. You also need to maintain a certain amount of emotional independence within that relationship!

You can still care deeply for someone and be nurturing, but you need to check your tendency to be smothering and co-dependent. You probably know what I’m talking about.

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Yeah, I was thinking along the way that that's exactly what I'm doing.

Lately, I've been very nervous and I lose my patience very easily, I don't know why.

Thank you!

That's exactly what I'm doing.

I think we can't choose it. It's just something that we unconsciously yearn to do... Probably, what we need in our lives.

My dad has North Node in Taurus and even if his life is very stable now, he hasn't forgot that life is unpredictable and anytime you can lose all and go back to an insecure environment.

posted August 22, 2020 02:56 PM            

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Originally posted by mee_chryssa:
Yeah, I was thinking along the way that that's exactly what I'm doing.

Lately, I've been very nervous and I lose my patience very easily, I don't know why.

Thank you!

That's exactly what I'm doing.

I think we can't choose it. It's just something that we unconsciously yearn to do... Probably, what we need in our lives.

My dad has North Node in Taurus and even if his life is very stable now, he hasn't forgot that life is unpredictable and anytime you can lose all and go back to an insecure environment.

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Glad I could help!
And yeah Taurus NN, that’s also me, I know what you mean. It’s exactly that way. One chooses calm and stability, one has to, but in the back of your head you still run that program with all the possible what ifs. I’m just thinking maybe of a secret agent, or a retired police man or sth. Even when they’re off duty.. they would most likely still be alert to danger and someone lurking somewhere. Typical Scorpio. And you can never completely shake that. It makes you naturally cautious, which is actually a good thing if it’s not taken too far.

Concerning the Nodes and one’s life path, astrology is really a blessing! Because you can put into words, what you normally couldn’t. It gives reassurance.
What I would do in your case is..

Write down the difference between ‘caring/nurturing’ and ‘smothering someone’ or being co-dependent. You can actually google that. There is a lot of information on co-dependence.
When you write it all down, you get a better picture where to draw the line in your daily life. Because especially when it comes to emotional matters, we often become very habitual. You just automatically fall in your habitual way of relating. But when you intellectually understand the difference, it will be much easier to implement that, in your daily routine. Then you also learn to say No, without feeling guilty.

posted August 22, 2020 04:56 PM            

I was in therapy to treat my anxiety, so I'm familiar with co-dependency, and yes, I have to tell that the first time I said no, I felt guilty and probably I felt it many times before but that was the first time I was aware of it. When I started therapy I thought that it is the end of the world, but it taught me a lot of things about myself and it is good for anyone, who would want to dive into self-discovery, even without having problems.

The good thing about having an earth North Node is that it will give you stability, your own doing stability, the bad thing is that you can lose some things searching for them. Like a Taurus North Node could become cheap, a Capricorn could become insensitive and cold hearted, a Virgo can become sure on himself, forgeting about how life can take care of them, without them doing anything in particular - just a small view of what could happen.

I think it is difficult when it's the opposite too. Having a water north node. That way you have to break all the secure, pragmatic, material view of the world to allow life into your life.

posted August 22, 2020 06:40 PM            

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You've already mastered the South Node.
South Node in 1st H indicates an independent person, relying on yourself instead of relying on others. You have to learn how to relate. Being indepedent can lead to high self esteem but not to low self esteem.
Something else is to "blame" for the low self esteem you're talking about.

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This is my understanding. My daughter has a 1H South Node and has raised three kids virtually by herself. Being independent or autonomous is her line of least resistance.

posted August 24, 2020 11:44 AM            

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YES!! Exactly my issues. I don’t consciously look for relationships, but as soon as I have one, it’s like I don’t know where and who I am anymore. It gets better with time though. But this is how it initially always felt like.
I enter a relationship as a confident independent being and gradually lose myself, and when it gets unbearable I break free by either leaving my partner or sabotaging my relationship and making the other one leave.

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Gosh, exactly how I feel! I always jump right into the deep end and they become the centre of my life which is of course NOT what they want. At some point I'll realise they're not as emotionally involved as I am and I'll become unhappy and that's when the problems start. My problem is also that I've a hard time letting go so my relationships sometimes have to be dragged through the mud first.

You should read up on what Vedic says about NN(Rahu) in 7H which I find rather enlightening. It makes one dissatisfied with their relationship partner (no matter what kinda partner you get). It can also cause infidelity due to this but it's not always the case. I know it sounds grim but it need not be. One astrologer told me it requires the native to have a mindset change (i.e. people are not perfect). Another astrologer said Rahu/NN in 7H means that your relationship will have to go through difficulties before you find happiness. Those relationships that don't survive the trials are those which are not meant to be, but those that survive will be strong and here to stay. This is the lesson of 7H Rahu. My mom has Rahu in 7H as well and she has been married to my dad for almost 50yrs. The dissatisfaction is real. My mom is always grumbling about my dad but he's actually a good husband in many ways!

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I read somewhere that 1st/7th house NN is the hardest, because your whole identity is on the line.

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