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posted June 20, 2020 02:51 AM            

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What if Saturn was the pain and shame we experience when we are children, what if Saturn is the conditioning that we learn?

Would it be accurate to say that Saturn can be a bringer of pain (like Pluto) through harsh criticism and scolding?

If there are harsh saturn aspects in the natal chart could that mean there is a lifelong task of healing unawareness of the pain (the experiences) from saturn? And during childhood if there were any harsh saturn transits maybe they turn out to be significant events that happened at that time that can impact you in the future.

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posted June 20, 2020 03:14 AM            

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Saturn always pain.
Even my Exalted Saturn in Libra 5th house keep me always aside from fun.

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posted June 20, 2020 05:49 AM            

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My view is that Saturn IS the "planet of childhood conditioning", but the chart-owner's childhood conditioning can be "inflicted" by good experiences* or/and bad experiences. ... However, in both scenario's, the end result is a childhood-conditioned-adult that will face a crossroads decision when transit Uranus opposes natal Uranus (the astrological mid-life crisis) ... And that decision will involve the choice of staying on the known/familiar path (created by Saturn's childhood conditioning) or following a new/unfamiliar path (created by glass-ceiling-breaker Uranus).

Moreover, the chart-owner will invariably conclude (after the mid-life crisis) that he/she made the right choice at the time. ... Because those that are not (astrologically) "ready" to let go of their childhood conditioned path never know what they missed by not following the new path - and those that do follow the new/Uranus path invariably discover that "life gets better after the age of 42" (because that is the astrological reward for those that are able to grow beyond the limitations imposed upon them by Saturn).

[ *Note : I was conditioned in childhood to believe that "one should work until reaching retirement age, and give 100% to your employer whilst doing so" - by parents/teachers that I loved, respected and was well-treated by. ... However, that strong work ethic was tested as transit Uranus opposed my natal Uranus ... when I opted to retire from my professional career, and study astrology instead (thus becoming a "disappointment" to those whom had conditioned me during childhood).]

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posted June 20, 2020 06:53 PM            

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I really think this makes sense but possibly Pluto too 'Hades'.

(My edited response)
Saturn deals not only with time, death and course correction, he is often referred to as the control power of karma as well. When we suffer physical pains they relate to different emotional, unresolved issues. Pain as in heartache also can relate with other physical overlays. I think this is where chakra balancing comes into focus. I'm no expert but I think based on my learning, karma that is yet to completely heal, effects us in our pain receptors. Even though we might work to cleanse karmic woes, the other we might share it with might hold on to the partnership karma, or even our subconscious could neglect to release it.

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posted June 20, 2020 11:59 PM            

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Saturn is karmic lessons
Pluto is garbage that we need to clean out our souls

However you look at it is you, Saturn lessons will make you wise. Sometimes those lessons are painful but necessary for growth.
Pluto is garbage sometimes it hurts to clean your house but when it's done everything will feel lighter .
All in how you see it, perception is always key.

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posted June 21, 2020 12:22 PM            

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I find Saturn "realistic", scientific more like, almost like maths, in a Saturn's world 1 + 1 usually equals to 2.

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posted June 22, 2020 12:28 PM            

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meanwhile i have pluto conjunct saturn and saturn at 29˚ so lucky me...

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