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charlie
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posted July 07, 2020 01:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Let’s, hypothetically, ponder on that it’s true that the earth has “wobbled” enough that (in my case) I’m actually a Gemini Sun instead of a Cancer Sun! But I’m wondering what happens to the other planets?? Should I just simply refer to my sidereal chart?

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posted July 07, 2020 01:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sidereal .. is based directly 'on' the actual 'fixed stars', and the 'constellations' themselves. They use '13 signs' in the zodiac. Includes Ophiuchus between constellation of Scorpio and Sagittarius.

You might explore Sidereal Astrology, or the Hindu/Vedic systems of astrology.

The Zodiac you are used to here (in this forum) is the Western tropical zodiac. That is not measured to the stars, but more towards the earth's season-starts. 30 even degrees in 12 signs. Solstice, Equinox.

If you go to www.astro.com .. you'd be able to 'see' what happens to your planets. Aspects remain. It's the zodiac sign that 'might' shift.

Select 'Tropical' or 'Sidereal' to draw chart wheel.

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posted July 07, 2020 01:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you use heliocentric sidereal?

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posted July 07, 2020 05:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
sidereal placements are vedic placements, no 13th sign

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charlie
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posted July 08, 2020 03:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mirage29:
Sidereal .. is based directly 'on' the actual 'fixed stars', and the 'constellations' themselves. They use '13 signs' in the zodiac. Includes Ophiuchus between constellation of Scorpio and Sagittarius.

You might explore Sidereal Astrology, or the Hindu/Vedic systems of astrology.

The Zodiac you are used to here (in this forum) is the Western tropical zodiac. That is not measured to the stars, but more towards the earth's season-starts. 30 even degrees in 12 signs. Solstice, Equinox.

If you go to www.astro.com .. you'd be able to 'see' what happens to your planets. Aspects remain. It's the zodiac sign that 'might' shift.

Select 'Tropical' or 'Sidereal' to draw chart wheel.




I’ve looked at my sidereal many times and could make a strong case for planets and placements! It’ll make me a Gem Sun, Venus, Merc with a Leo Asc, Mars and Sag Moon. I do thrive on communication and get DEAD bored easily. I am idealistic, naive and love living abroad or traveling! I can also be a know-it-all. I am overly optimistic and don’t like to spend time with people I’ve met too many times because I feel conversations get redundant. I need CHANGE!!
I don’t need security but I do like to have money. I am proud and I look, dress like a “typical” Leo.
I hate when people play victim or pretend they are weak but if they try, I will help them!! I am spontaneous and every day is a new adventure, even if I’m doing/seeing the same things as yesterday. I don’t worry about the future because I have faith in universe! No money today might be money tomorrow.

Above doesn’t really mesh with Cancer/Cap but I still feel torn.

It’d make my husband a Pisces Sun/Aries Moon and that fits him 100% but it would make my Dad a Taurus Sun/Cancer Moon and not sure that fits..
Mom would be a Libra/Libra and not sure that fits either!

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posted July 08, 2020 08:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting!

So Charlie!?? Why would you need everything to be so crunchy-fixed and have definitions "crisply" in their places? C'mon.. haha. You want to do your Gemini-- gotta be able to hop from one 'box' to the other, with bright exhilaration and love {Venus Gem} for 'all' things being true at-once. There can be No boredom with that!

Be 'zen'-like … The answer--- is BOTH.
This, that, and BOTH are true, simultaneously. No need to fit-it, for it ALL fits! *heart*

It's exciting to FEEL it all, BE it all.

And.. at some point, like the younger energies of the Gemini child, it needs to come down a bit, and to get quiet.... Cancer/Capricorn.
.. Let go of all the yearning-outwards,
and for a while, gently gather and come in.
Going inside... has a different adventure.
.. You dream some dreams, and sit by some still waters, and smell and feel the earth beneath your feet. And it's beautiful.
THIS is the "refreshing" that is available to you.

BTW.. I'm a super-tight stellium progressed LEO.. omg.
Natal.. I'm a Mercury dominant.
I am speaking to you from long experience.

Good to have all that Beautiful young restless Gemmy energy. It's so fresh! .. AND.. it's important to 'feel' and sit down in the parts of your chart that ARE water and earth {whether you have planets in it or not, they are still 'available' for you-- like little compartments?}. This is important to visit ALL the rooms of your zodiac, to bring balance so as to not 'burn out' your inner Tigger.

Take ALL of that Beautiful outstanding energy..
and 'sit' within your garden of earth and waters too.

Leo is The Beloved Child, she Shines... and she is Warm towards all Creatures in her kingdom. She is admired as queen for she Loves ALL, well. Your inner Gemini is her faithful friend... Mars Moon Sag her True adventure-companions in reflections and imaginations.

Capricorn Cancer represents her Land, supporting her with nutrients needed on her Journey, including the nutrition of Rest, of stillness.

It's not boring to sit and go within to Dream and consider all she's seen in her travels.

It ALL works Together, Charlie
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Sometimes, certain zod-energies are more-forward, while the other 'quieter' things pull back a little.. but then, like the bright day turns the hours into quiet evenings and the night.. it's THEN that we can appreciate those Stars, during the Rest hours within a blanket of night. Reflection. Reflecting.

No need to 'decide' if one zodiac placement is correct and the other is not. Like wearing different shoes, they are ALL correct in right-time, right-place to use them.

(music) On A Clear Day (Barbra Streisand)
[3:07] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz5DLO8fclA

Sidereal,
I'm a Sun Taurus, Venus Aries, Merc and Mars Gem.. and my Moon is STILL an analyzing-and-feeling Virgo!
Scorp Asc

Natal,
I have Sun and Mercury Gem, Venus Taurus, Mars Cancer
Sag Asc
Stellium outer planets Cancer H8

It's ALL Good. Wonderful to ponder, and feel.

And to be Still... Looking up.

(music) Sleep (Eric Whitacre, perf by Voces8)
[5:07] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeLW43SqqbA

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charlie
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posted July 08, 2020 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mirage, nicely written and I understand your point BUT, ever since I was a child I envied people that had routines and ONE style of being because I didn’t! I change my writing style all the time..my way of dressing...my hair....where I live...
Why do I do this? Because it’s fun and it glitters, and I get bored. But it’s also exhausting.
I’d like to relate to a few signs but it appears that’s not to be, for me. I’m everything and everyone :-/

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posted July 08, 2020 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Charlie...
I'm realizing that it's been Birthday Season for you.
Happy Birthday!

Like I said.. gotta watch burn-out when your engine idle runs high.

Another point about a different exhaustion--
Some sky energies are touching some charts where they can feel like that. Continues into August. Just pay attention to your body's need to rest. Perhaps some exercise too can help with restlessness.
Go outside and hug a tree! *Heart*

If we had been neighbors, we would have had a LOT of fun together! We would have explored sooo many things..

And ALSO, 'because' you'd be friend, I'd take a moment, and I would ask you 'how' you were feeling in the deepest part of you?
.. Were you actually kind of feeling an empty depth inside, underneath all the glittery entertaining sparkle and changeable fun?
.. Are you genuinely okay, and this joie de vivre is basically the way you are?
.. I mean, we all have times of feeling private like we need our personal space.

AND, you may be experiencing pent up energies of 'cabin fever' from COVID? {haha, Mars in Aries now.}

When we feel like we need to keep away from some energies, there's a need to quietly examine why that would be.
Understand it.
There could be some revealing information about yourself that would explain things, or even bring you a different experience.

It's okay to 'visit' energies and entertain them for a while (inside of you). Brings more "clarity" .. to what you want. To what you don't want as 'part' of yourself. You pick and choose.

Back to astrology! ..

Transits---
Are you having a strong Uranus transit?

I have no idea which birthday this is.
Uranus opp Uranus?

Some of your expressions remind me of identity search, identity crises that occur during our adolescent years and transits.

Certainly too... You must be having significant House transits right now too?

You said you kind of avoid Cancer/Capricorn..
in Western, is that your 1st and 7th houses?

I don't know your actual chart.
I keep electronic copies of folks who have shared theirs, so that if I see them post something, I can refer back to their chart before answering.

Progressed---
The other thing I thought of too is your Progress chart. Progressed points. Any new shifts to different signs? Has Ascendant changed sign.. etc. Planets.


Outside Entertainment---
Charlie. Have you ever thought about taking "Acting Lessons"??
You might REALLY enjoy participating in drama classes. Might be a good outlet for you. You can get to build characters, and portray them on stage, or in a group. They teach you how to hon some of those characters in those classes.
Improv can be fun. ..
Get involved in Community Theater?
. . .
Of course the COVID 19 has stopped MUCH of those for being social outlets right now. *bummer*

Are you feeling a bit too cooped up from quarantine? awwww. Sucks doesn't it?... mmm. yeah.

Study Vedic Nakshatras---
The other cool thing I can steer you towards are Vedic Nakshatras.
.. You might want to look up the Nakshatra your Sun belongs to,
.. and your MOON is just-about the MOST important planet to Vedics. It represents the mind.
Ascendant is very important.
Look up their nakshatras. Take notes.

(Vedic uses the Sidereal)
Vedic Mars and Moon in Sagittarius.
Sagittarius is made-up of several nakshatras.

The transiting south node {called 'ketu'} is entering moola {also spelled mula}. Is the south node crossing your Moon and Mars (in either tropical OR sidereal)?

Again, Get a printout of your Vedic placements, and start looking up the Nakshatras.. and padas {haha, you'd learn about those later}.

Take Care

This guy does videos almost daily.
He practices Sidereal Astrologer {not Hindu/Vedic}. I learned a lot about aspects from him.

youtube channel
"Mastering The Zodiac"
Athen Chimenti
- http://www.youtube.com/user/masteringthezodiac

When you click it,
it will take you to his website.
An introductory video begins.
Athen "explains" what Sidereal Astrology is. The history of it.

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posted July 15, 2020 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stellia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I saw the news from NASA and the fallout on my social media from folks kicking off so I came here to see what everyone's saying about it and... This is the only thread I could see!

What's the thinking on this announcement generally? How does Western Astrology counteract NASA's weird decision to announce this and.. why the heck are NASA getting involved anyway?

It's all so weird!

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posted July 15, 2020 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for girlwiththerainysoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Stellia:
I saw the news from NASA and the fallout on my social media from folks kicking off so I came here to see what everyone's saying about it and... This is the only thread I could see!

What's the thinking on this announcement generally? How does Western Astrology counteract NASA's weird decision to announce this and.. why the heck are NASA getting involved anyway?

It's all so weird!



Wait, NASA commented on astrology?!

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posted July 15, 2020 03:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stellia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:

Wait, NASA commented on astrology?!

Yep! They 'announced' that there are 13 zodiac signs including Ophiuchus and basically saying sidereal is more accurate (without using that terminology).

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posted July 15, 2020 03:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
13 is Satan's number so don't believe it.

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posted July 15, 2020 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for girlwiththerainysoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Stellia:
Yep! They 'announced' that there are 13 zodiac signs including Ophiuchus and basically saying sidereal is more accurate (without using that terminology).

Thanks! Yeah I remember this. I doubt that unless world-class astrologers have acknowledged this change, their claim will change our astrology much.

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posted July 15, 2020 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries Eagle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
interesting article
Ophiuchus - the 13th Sign of the Zodiac? http://www.astro.com/astrologie/in_ophiuchus_f.htm

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posted July 15, 2020 05:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by charlie:
Mirage, nicely written and I understand your point BUT, ever since I was a child I envied people that had routines and ONE style of being because I didn’t! I change my writing style all the time..my way of dressing...my hair....where I live...
Why do I do this? Because it’s fun and it glitters, and I get bored. But it’s also exhausting.
I’d like to relate to a few signs but it appears that’s not to be, for me. I’m everything and everyone :-/

I used to do this, too - it's good to change things up. I'm a Gemini Moon/Venus, though.

People here, about a decade ago, thought I came across as either a Pisces or a Scorpio. I have Mars in Pisces, and this new zodiac would make me one, but I'm an Aries.

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posted July 21, 2020 04:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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