posted August 12, 2020 01:54 PM            

So why is this, what are the trends and which houses pertain to fame?

Some good examples of different flavors of fame: Princess Diana, who caused dangerous obsession, extreme admiration and people had almost no respect or boundaries for her when it came to personal space. She was "IT"!

Micheal Jackson: at his height of fame, women were fainting at his concerts from the excitement.

Jennifer Aniston tends to have people sabotage her and put her life in danger in order to get juicy gossip. (stories about cars being tricked up, staged accidents)

Marilyn Monroe is still very much loved and remembered today, and even back then was coveted, idealized. Of all the blonde bombshells back then, she was the "chosen one", and the crowd absolutely adored her.

Then there's the people who have nothing to keep people interested. They're famous for just a little while, and people forget about them or move on.

And most recently there's the singer Billie Eilish, who everyone adores and seems to be obsessed with. She's basically used for click bait everywhere, too. People overall react lovingly to her (yeah everyone still has haters).

Then there's Justin Bieber's fame, which has given him a loooot of sh*t. Poor guy.

So, what in a chart can indicate how fame could play out?

posted August 12, 2020 04:52 PM            

I've found I'm a people's person, I really enjoy the kind of fame where everyone knows and talks to you(in a friendly manner) .

There's this "Brock Lesnar" kinda fame, where everyone knows you but nobody tries to talk to you because of how intimidating you can be( ), let's say as ego boosting as it is, I don't quite like it.

posted August 12, 2020 05:09 PM              

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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:

If you were famous, what flavor of fame would you have?

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posted August 13, 2020 07:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Moonbeth:
Banksy's.
Known for what he does, yet total privacy.

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posted August 13, 2020 09:10 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I wouldn't want it. Any of it.

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posted August 13, 2020 01:28 PM              

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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
Do you both have similar charts?

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posted August 13, 2020 02:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
Do you both have similar charts?

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posted August 14, 2020 08:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Moonbeth:
You have no idea who Banksy is, have you?

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posted August 14, 2020 08:39 AM              

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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
I'm not sure to be honest. The name sounds familiar.

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posted August 14, 2020 01:11 PM            

Important planet conjunct 0° of a cardinal sign
= chance of spotlight

posted August 14, 2020 01:12 PM            

Sun or NN in 10th is supposed to be good.

Planets in 11th, esp Venus or Jupy.

But degrees can also play a role in fame:

5°, 17°, and 29° are the degrees of fame / what we’re known for (but 5° Is more short term?)

28° is the household name degree

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posted August 15, 2020 07:47 AM            

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Originally posted by viviette:

40° is the bath I’m about to have (lol couldn’t resist putting that in)

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posted August 15, 2020 11:30 AM            

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Originally posted by Moonbeth:
My answer was a bit cheeky, he's an uber famous street artist, but also for being anonymous lol his art is all the rage but nobody knows his identity, so not really someone whose chart you're ever seeing on the net
I picked him to stay in the question while actually being true to the fact I wouldn't want any fame

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Oh, haha! Sorry for ruining the joke!

posted August 15, 2020 11:30 AM            

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Originally posted by ana_bee:
Is there actually anything that would indicate fame in a chart?? I’ve always been wondering about that. Being famous and leading a life as a ‘spokesperson’ or ‘hero’ for a whole generation , even for many generations to come, is a major deal! This is major Karma! But where is it shown in the chart? Nowhere. The 10th and 11th house are public houses, where we’re supposed to be seen. But your boss could have a 10th house sun and he might be a ‘local personality’ whereas Jennifer Aniston has a 4th house sun and she’s an international celebrity! Everyone knows her. She’s a household name.
You could have squares from all outer planets to your MC and your sun and still be a superstar and you could have all the trines and conjunctions from Venus and Jupiter and no one would know your name.

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posted August 15, 2020 02:05 PM              

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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
Oh, haha! Sorry for ruining the joke!

I looked him up and I DO recognize the street art. Just never paid attention to the name.

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posted August 21, 2020 09:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
I think of everything astrological as being either optional, or we need to "grow into" our potential.

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What do you mean by that? Do you mean that you agree that there’s no indication of ‘celebrity’ in a natal chart?

posted August 21, 2020 12:13 PM            

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Originally posted by ana_bee:
But your boss could have a 10th house sun and he might be a ‘local personality’ whereas Jennifer Aniston has a 4th house sun and she’s an international celebrity! Everyone knows her. She’s a household name.
You could have squares from all outer planets to your MC and your sun and still be a superstar and you could have all the trines and conjunctions from Venus and Jupiter and no one would know your name.

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Jennifer Aniston is an interesting example. Fame wasn’t easy for her. I think she feels the need to be there to prove something. She works hard to be there. Mars trine MC, sextile Pluto. Her MC conj. Lilith. Her major popularity came after Pitt- Jolie drama. And she is still being seen through it.

I know someone with 10th Jupiter. And this person is almost opposite of being popular. Mars square MC. Maybe, t-square Jupiter Pluto Ac has something to do with it.

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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
I think of everything astrological as being either optional, or we need to "grow into" our potential.

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Agree with the second part. Some people have potential, but they aren’t using it correctly.

posted August 21, 2020 04:47 PM            

Astro theme shows dominant planets and houses. I would assume being Sun and Pluto dominant would make an individual phone to fame. But not always the case though depending on what the person is famous for.
I looked up Doc Phil and he is Neptune and Saturn dominant.

I think Ellen DeGeneres is Neptune dominant too.

I've done this before and my big 3 where Pluto, Uranus, and Mars. That means I'll be rich someday and it will be nobodies business.

There are a handful of ladies that were born in the same month and year as me that are famous.

posted August 22, 2020 11:56 PM            

Apparently, it's all about the Sun; 1st (Sun's exaltation), 5th (Sun's domicile) and 10th house, with the 5th house as the starting point being the place of opportunity and creation. 1st house is for self expression, 10th house for ambition and public recognition - these two together form "celebrity" persona. If all three houses are strong and very well interconnected and connected to the Sun, then the chances of fame are huge (even more so if the 10th house/ruler is powerful).

If the Sun is in the 1st too, then the urge to be recognized is greater. Same if it's in the 7th or 9th (or if it's ruler is placed there, or the final dispositor). If the 7th house is stronger then 10th, person can cross paths with other famous people and become famous by association. Or have a fame that depends on the active participation of the audience (Dr Phil, also helped by Oprah). If the 4th house is stronger than 10th, then person can become posthumously famous (Jean D'Arc). If 4th is connected to 9th and 12th, internationally famous, but they will have to move abroad. If it's ruler is in 10th, person can achieve the fame through family help (this would be Billie Eilish, born into well connected family and helped by her brother. Also, looking at her other placements, she was born to be a huge star). And so on..

7th and 10th houses are the public scene, Moon are "the fans" and it dictates the "flavour" of fandom. Well positioned and aspected Moon can also give famous family (most often Cancer Moon or 1st house Moon). Jupiter is the luck, the scope and longevity of fame. Pluto gives an ambition (greed) and ability to manipulate masses. Venus is..Venus. Popularity. Neptune goes international and makes person adored by masses (Michael Jackson, Pisces Moon Rising). Saturn can block the fame or give it in the later stages of life. Uranus can give eternal fame (Mozart). And of course, there are stelliums, fixed stars and degrees.

posted August 23, 2020 07:07 AM              

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Originally posted by Seline:
Oh, I've been researching this topic a bit.

Apparently, it's all about the Sun; 1st (Sun's exaltation), 5th (Sun's domicile) and 10th house, with the 5th house as the starting point being the place of opportunity and creation. 1st house is for self expression, 10th house for ambition and public recognition - these two together form "celebrity" persona. If all three houses are strong and very well interconnected and connected to the Sun, then the chances of fame are huge (even more so if the 10th house/ruler is powerful).

If the Sun is in the 1st too, then the urge to be recognized is greater. Same if it's in the 7th or 9th (or if it's ruler is placed there, or the final dispositor). If the 7th house is stronger then 10th, person can cross paths with other famous people and become famous by association. Or have a fame that depends on the active participation of the audience (Dr Phil, also helped by Oprah). If the 4th house is stronger than 10th, then person can become posthumously famous (Jean D'Arc). If 4th is connected to 9th and 12th, internationally famous, but they will have to move abroad. If it's ruler is in 10th, person can achieve the fame through family help (this would be Billie Eilish, born into well connected family and helped by her brother. Also, looking at her other placements, she was born to be a huge star). And so on..

7th and 10th houses are the public scene, Moon are "the fans" and it dictates the "flavour" of fandom. Well positioned and aspected Moon can also give famous family (most often Cancer Moon or 1st house Moon). Jupiter is the luck, the scope and longevity of fame. Pluto gives an ambition (greed) and ability to manipulate masses. Venus is..Venus. Popularity. Neptune goes international and makes person adored by masses (Michael Jackson, Pisces Moon Rising). Saturn can block the fame or give it in the later stages of life. Uranus can give eternal fame (Mozart). And of course, there are stelliums, fixed stars and degrees.

I have somewhere a more detailed list of various other combinations for fame, but can't look for it now. The point is in the Sun, 1st, 5th and 10th. And then the rest.

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hmmmm interesting.
I'm a 1st house Virgo sun, conjunct ASC in Leo.
My 10th house is Taurus, Venus is in Leo too, conjunct ASC (though in the 12th).
My MC is loosely (8°) conjunct Chiron.
My moon is Capricorn, in the 5th, though my fifth house is Sagittarius, Jupiter in 3rd H Scorpio sextiles my sun.
I don't want fame. Fame to me only means exposition and is quite empty in itself.
I'd much rather have a craft that provides for myself my entire life, unbeknownst to the world, than be famous for anything.