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Valmu83
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posted September 10, 2020 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valmu83     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Iím wondering if anyone have experience about progressed Mars conjunction Sun? Did you had more energy and confidence? Iím just moving forward from that progression and Iím not sure if there was any effect. I felt more angry at first but I found healthy way to resolve my emotional issue and after that I felt very calm. Also when this progression was exact.

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posted September 11, 2020 11:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted September 11, 2020 11:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Valmu83:
Iím wondering if anyone have experience about progressed Mars conjunction Sun? Did you had more energy and confidence? Iím just moving forward from that progression and Iím not sure if there was any effect. I felt more angry at first but I found healthy way to resolve my emotional issue and after that I felt very calm. Also when this progression was exact.

You have to take into account what Mars is "promising" in the natal chart ... because (for you) that forms the basis of whatever "message/lesson" progressed Mars is attempting to deliver ... and it will probably be very different to the message/lesson being delivered to any other member here. (Hence, knowing about my/others experience of progressed-mars-comjunct-natal-sun is actually of little help to you).

In your case ... natal Mars is comfortable in both it's sign and house; well-aspected (via a trine to Uranus) and "promising" to stimulate your natal Sun-Moon issue.

So ... before reflecting upon your progressed-mars-conjunct-natal-sun, take some time (if you have not already done so) to ascertain whatever is your natal Sun-Moon issue.

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posted September 12, 2020 10:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valmu83     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you! That makes so much sense in many levels. There has been so much tension in my live because of sun/moon opposition. Somehow I end up in live situations that are not satisfying to me. Like now I rented my home and moved to work in another city. There is all the time (last 1,5 years ) tension in my life because of this matter. I donít have home, Iím just living somewhere.

Also me trying to find emotional security from other people but being rejected all the time. And reliving so my childhood trauma. But I think I have done fine job with my issues during this progression and also during past 6 months.

Can you tell me what progressed Venus trine Neptune will trigger in my chart? I will be living that transit soon and both of those planets are in poor shape in my charts.

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posted September 13, 2020 06:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Originally posted by Valmu83 :-

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Can you tell me what progressed Venus trine Neptune will trigger in my chart? I will be living that transit soon and both of those planets are in poor shape in my charts.

This is complicated by your natal Venus being retrograde and at the very end of the Sun-Venus cycle, with a new cycle starting just 2 days after you were born. ... That makes you one of the group which was born as the old cycle came to fulfilment - and thus "stamped-by-the-natal-chart" (for life) with that Venus evolutionary task/objective, but obliged (from the age of 2) to "progress" by taking on the values of the new cycle's Venus evolutionary task/objective.

Both Venus tasks are described by the Sabian Symbol for the zodiac degree from which the retrograde transit of Venus made an inferior conjunction with transit Sun - immediately before (old cycle) and after (new cycle) the day you were born.
The old cycle is described by Sabian Symbol Aquarius 2 and the new cycle by Sabian Symbol Virgo 2.

We now need to look up the interpretation/meaning for each of those symbols, and relate them to your natal Venus in Virgo/11th house. ... But before we attempt to do so, please confirm that what I have stated above makes sense to you - as you've probably not read/heard it previously.

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posted September 13, 2020 08:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valmu83     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well i havenít heard it before but it makes sense to me.

Also Sabian symbols are also somewhat familiar to me. But mostly I donít get how to see their effect. They are written so poetically. But what I understood from those by myself I have been really isolated during my life. Isolated from love. Problems with relationships as Iím not able to form one. Being rejected all the time. Iím artist and I donít want to do art anymore. At this time anyway as Iím so disappointed whatís been going on in my private live.

I have had problematic relationships between how much I do for others (friends, woks place) and how much i concentrate to my own things and career dreams etc.

But I went schema therapy and it makes lot of sense to me. I think what ever my issues are, Iím at lest trying to heal.

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posted September 13, 2020 12:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted September 13, 2020 12:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Valmu83:
Well i havenít heard it before but it makes sense to me.

Also Sabian symbols are also somewhat familiar to me. But mostly I donít get how to see their effect. They are written so poetically. But what I understood from those by myself I have been really isolated during my life. Isolated from love. Problems with relationships as Iím not able to form one. Being rejected all the time. Iím artist and I donít want to do art anymore. At this time anyway as Iím so disappointed whatís been going on in my private live.

I have had problematic relationships between how much I do for others (friends, woks place) and how much i concentrate to my own things and career dreams etc.

But I went schema therapy and it makes lot of sense to me. I think what ever my issues are, Iím at lest trying to heal.


I use Lynda Hill's interpretation of Sabian Symbols ( http://sabiansymbols.com/symbol-lookup/ ).

Her interpretation for Aquarius 2 is :-

"AN UNEXPECTED THUNDERSTORM

This Symbol shows the need to withstand ďStormsĒ and things that whip up unexpectedly. It can show sudden flashes of inspiration, intuition or clairvoyance Ė those aha! moments. It can be thoughts and emotions that erupt from out of nowhere. They can be brilliant or unstable (or both). You will likely find that you are suddenly tested or taken by surprise. Inner strength and stability are put to the test but you learn a lot from your experiences. The effect can be quite liberating, although there can be an initial shock. Thunderstorms clear the air after an extreme buildup of energy. There can be a sense of awe and wonder at the power of natural events. Sudden visitations of natural wonder. Breakthrough moments. A break in tension in the atmosphere. Thunder, lightning and electricity. The Tower card. Being a lightning rod.

The Caution: Losing control without warning. Emotional instability. Bottling up and then blowing up. Storms in a tea cup. Seizing up with fear. Loud bangs and crashes that stun.

And, for Virgo 2 it is :-

"A LARGE WHITE CROSS DOMINATES THE LANDSCAPE

In the situation facing you, you may feel like youíre being treated like a scapegoat ďhung out to dryĒ; punished for doing something or being different or special. Signposts and other expressions of faith have a powerful influence. Instead of having a ďcross to bearí, we can work at realigning ourselves with our true desires and allegiances. This can lead to a stronger sense of purpose and spirituality, dissipating feelings of sacrifice, separation or loneliness. Believing that suffering is the way to salvation has significance for many, but what does it really mean? Don't sacrifice for others; you may not get much appreciation for doing it anyway. Religion dominating. The fear or wonder of God. Following a mystic path. Monuments to pain and suffering. Reminders of salvation and faith. Images of redemption. Isolation.

The Caution: Aloneness or sacrifice or yearning for it. Dogmatism. Being a scapegoat. Symbols that inspire guilt and anguish instead of love, acceptance and forgiveness."
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So, you came into this current lifetime/incarnation with "a need to withstand 'storms' and things that whip up unexpectedly". And almost immediately after arriving, events/experiences began to make you "feel like a scapegoat 'hung out to dry'; punished for doing something or being different or special".

That set the tone for your Venus progressions from the age of two - which remained retrograde until the age of 25, with Venus not progressing back to its natal position until the age of 47.

So ... bear in mind that it is this/YOUR natal Venus which is currently making a progressed trine to your natal Neptune ... carrying a unique message/'lesson" specific to you. [That is why the experience of others during their "progressed Venus trine natal Neptune" does not help us to predict what will happen during our own.]

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posted September 14, 2020 04:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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So, you came into this current lifetime/incarnation with "a need to withstand 'storms' and things that whip up unexpectedly". And almost immediately after arriving, events/experiences began to make you "feel like a scapegoat 'hung out to dry'; punished for doing something or being different or special".

That set the tone for your Venus progressions from the age of two - which remained retrograde until the age of 25, with Venus not progressing back to its natal position until the age of 47.

So ... bear in mind that it is this YOUR natal Venus which is currently making a progressed trine to YOUR natal Neptune ... carrying a unique message/'lesson" specific to you. [That is why the experience of others during their "progressed Venus trine natal Neptune" does not help us to predict what will happen during our own.]


And ... also bear in mind that your natal Neptune is conjunct South Node, and part of a configuration involving Chiron + all other planets + all 4 angles of your natal chart.

Thus, this Venus progression is actually activating everything in your natal chart ... And does so every time it aspects anything involved in that all-inclusive natal configuration (as do the transits and progressions of Chiron, the angles, and planets other than Venus).

Hence, the message/lesson that is currently being delivered by progressed Venus has been (and will continue to be) made on a regular basis throughout your lifetime. ... The only thing that changes is the progressed/transit "teacher", or unique-piece/perspective/focus-being-inserted-into-the-overall-message.

So - this is why we must first obtain a thorough understanding of our natal chart before attempting to analyse, interpret, synthesise and put-into-context any chart/progression/transit derived from it. ... However, that does not preclude us from attempting to do so at any time - for the chart-owner to modify the conclusions as/when required, during his/her ongoing quest to understand the natal chart.

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posted September 14, 2020 06:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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Can you tell me what progressed Venus trine Neptune will trigger in my chart?

You are part of the generation that has Libra Pluto sextile Sagittarius Neptune ... which is dissolving the barriers that are hindering personal growth/expansion (Sag Neptune), and forcefully removing those which are preventing harmonious relationships (Libra Pluto) ... as part of the evolutionary cycle that began with the last Pluto/Neptune conjunction in Gemini (and is moving all humans/nations towards becoming "one neighbourhood/nation").

Your natal Neptune is in 3rd house, and trine Sun (in Leo/11th) - so your personal role in that generational task is to "express the message" (Sun in Leo) "within your society" (Sun in 11th).

Progressed Venus in Leo/10th (natal 11th) is impelling/urging natal Neptune to 'get on with that personal task' ... and its conjunction with progressed Mars (at the anaretic degree) is underlining the message - and expanding it to 'get on with that personal task NOW'.

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posted September 14, 2020 06:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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Iím artist and I donít want to do art anymore. At this time anyway as Iím so disappointed whatís been going on in my private live.

I wonder if art might be the medium through which to communicate the Neptune message, with your disillusionment really being because you are not yet using it to do so.

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posted September 14, 2020 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valmu83     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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[QUOTE][b]Iím artist and I donít want to do art anymore. At this time anyway as Iím so disappointed whatís been going on in my private live.


I wonder if art might be the medium through which to communicate the Neptune message, with your disillusionment really being because you are not yet using it to do so.[/B][/QUOTE]

Thanks you for all your help with my natal chart and this progression I actually was pretty well received and hard working as an artist. I donít know why I compare my career success to my personal failures in relationship area. But I stopped doing art as it was too painful to compare. To go empty home after receiving reward. As I noticed also that all love related progression, transits and solar arcs only bring success in arts to me. It was too sad. So I stopped doing art. Now they donít bring particular anything to my life anymore. Maybe there is no natal promise for relationships in my natal chart. I donít know.

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posted September 14, 2020 01:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valmu83     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Graham:

You are part of the generation that has Libra Pluto sextile Sagittarius Neptune ... which is dissolving the barriers that are hindering personal growth/expansion (Sag Neptune), and forcefully removing those which are preventing harmonious relationships (Libra Pluto) ... as part of the evolutionary cycle that began with the last Pluto/Neptune conjunction in Gemini (and is moving all humans/nations towards becoming "one neighbourhood/nation").

Your natal Neptune is in 3rd house, and trine Sun (in Leo/11th) - so your personal role in that generational task is to "express the message" (Sun in Leo) "within your society" (Sun in 11th).

Progressed Venus in Leo/10th (natal 11th) is impelling/urging natal Neptune to 'get on with that personal task' ... and its conjunction with progressed Mars (at the anaretic degree) is underlining the message - and expanding it to 'get on with that personal task NOW'.


So maybe something work related. I think it might be trough some art association Iím volunteering in. It would be 11th house society. I might be me doing something there :/

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posted September 14, 2020 01:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valmu83     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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And ... also bear in mind that your natal Neptune is conjunct South Node, and part of a configuration involving Chiron + all other planets + all 4 angles of your natal chart.

Thus, this Venus progression is actually activating [b]everything in your natal chart ... And does so every time it aspects anything involved in that all-inclusive natal configuration (as do the transits and progressions of Chiron, the angles, and planets other than Venus).

Hence, the message/lesson that is currently being delivered by progressed Venus has been (and will continue to be) made on a regular basis throughout your lifetime. ... The only thing that changes is the progressed/transit "teacher", or unique-piece/perspective/focus-being-inserted-into-the-overall-message.

So - this is why we must first obtain a thorough understanding of our natal chart before attempting to analyse, interpret, synthesise and put-into-context any chart/progression/transit derived from it. ... However, that does not preclude us from attempting to do so at any time - for the chart-owner to modify the conclusions as/when required, during his/her ongoing quest to understand the natal chart.

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And that message has been delivered me by being rejected and abandoned by males. That is only thing that I suffer in my life. My worklife is just fine. I have friends and people like me generally. First who wounded me was my dad who was very ill and violent and disappeared to his own reality (mental illness). Then he died. And after that I have been rejected constantly. Love that I offer has been rejected by every single person I have loved by myself. That is really traumatic.

Maybe I should learn just to live alone and not to yearn love. Only trusting my own strength. But I donít fell that Iím weak personality. I donít know what I should learn. To be alone?

And I totally feel punished by god or live or karma as I have to live like this.

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posted September 15, 2020 01:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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And that message has been delivered me by being rejected and abandoned by males. That is only thing that I suffer in my life. My worklife is just fine. I have friends and people like me generally. First who wounded me was my dad who was very ill and violent and disappeared to his own reality (mental illness). Then he died. And after that I have been rejected constantly. Love that I offer has been rejected by every single person I have loved by myself. That is really traumatic.

Maybe I should learn just to live alone and not to yearn love. Only trusting my own strength. But I donít fell that Iím weak personality. I donít know what I should learn. To be alone?

And I totally feel punished by god or live or karma as I have to live like this.


If you have not already done so, open a thread on the Personal Readings board ... requesting an analysis and interpretation of ONLY the configuration (in your natal chart) that consists of Sun, Venus, Moon, Saturn and Pluto.

That configuration is likely to be at the root of the 5th house issue (of rejection) described by you above.

[I have also bumped your thread at http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/240303.html ... because reading it again now might help you with that 5th house rejection issue. ]

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posted September 15, 2020 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valmu83     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, i will. Most of all I would like to hear practical advices from people how to overcome this and is it possible for me to be relationship and how likely it is.

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posted September 15, 2020 11:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I haven't experienced this yet, and won't for about another seventeen years. I have had it progress into Aries, though - seven years ago? I think. I found that I had to fight (self-defense), and now I'm more comfortable with disagreement. I don't love it, but I'm better with it than I used to be. It's currently conjunct Jupiter, and opposed Pluto (in my natal chart).

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posted September 22, 2020 04:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted October 08, 2020 04:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valmu83     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by teasel:
I haven't experienced this yet, and won't for about another seventeen years. I have had it progress into Aries, though - seven years ago? I think. I found that I had to fight (self-defense), and now I'm more comfortable with disagreement. I don't love it, but I'm better with it than I used to be. It's currently conjunct Jupiter, and opposed Pluto (in my natal chart).

My progression is slowly separating..it is 0,05 degrees already. I was very angry about my salary and about treatment I got from work. I have tried to raise my salary and change my working conditions. It will be seen if it works or not within 1-2 months. (Already told them I will leave if things wonít change) Currently Iím in sick leave from work due exhaustion. But I fee it is good thing as I learned to put my own needs first.

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posted October 08, 2020 04:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valmu83     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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