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charlie
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posted September 17, 2020 02:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So..tPluto is finally done with my Cancer sun and Cap moon. Next up is venus and then I'm done with him!

Been doing, involuntarily, some soul-searching and what has come up a lot is my COMPLETE and utter disdain for many (not all) women, in general! I just haven't been able to stand them!

I think it all started when I moved back to Sweden late 2013 but it could have started before that without me even realizing it. tPluto would have been around 5-6 degrees away from my moon at that time.

I have been downright sceptical, nasty and really aggressive towards some. Not saying they didn't deserve it as some of them ARE backstabbing b****** but it's not really ME to get involved with that stuff. Normally, I would just try and keep my head high and walk away; shrug it off.

I have never had problems with women in my life and have had plenty of friends and I also have some tight aspects in my natal (can't recall which) that points to me actually liking , and thriving, being around women, so my question is: would tPluto on moon be able to stir this up? Has it been buried deep inside and he brought it out??

I am a woman btw.

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posted September 17, 2020 02:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vansio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
sounds self-hating charlie, a defense mechanism

...what is a woman? maybe defining the qualities you attribute to them might help reconcile the neglected areas of duality. in the wake of pluto, read about ďpsychological projectionĒ

edit: my own moon is 29įCap ... havenít completed plutos transit ... not for another three years ... placed in the 8th House already, with a natal sextile to the baddie

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posted September 17, 2020 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I used to think that of both men and women (due to being bullied when I was a kid), but I feel it much less so as an adult. I've always been confused when people say they get along better with men, because they don't bring drama - that hasn't been my experience at all.

Pluto square my Mercury was the worst for getting into arguments. Pluto and Saturn square Sun - I don't know, I've just felt more sure of what I feel, but that might also be Jupiter squares getting in there. It takes a lot for me to feel disdain.

Oh, I've just realized that you mentioned the conjunction. That's the only one I haven't had. I don't think I will have it.

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posted September 18, 2020 02:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted September 19, 2020 07:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by vansio:
sounds self-hating charlie, a defense mechanism

...what is a woman? maybe defining the qualities you attribute to them might help reconcile the neglected areas of duality. in the wake of pluto, read about ďpsychological projectionĒ

edit: my own moon is 29įCap ... havenít completed plutos transit ... not for another three years ... placed in the 8th House already, with a natal sextile to the baddie


Never thought about self hate...I do have a Cap moon and am VERY hard on myself so itís not like I constantly pat myself on the back..

I did forget to write that this ďwoman thingĒ Iíve been going through has eased substantially the last couple of months and thatís why I was wondering about tPluto on moon.

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posted September 19, 2020 07:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by teasel:
I used to think that of both men and women (due to being bullied when I was a kid), but I feel it much less so as an adult. I've always been confused when people say they get along better with men, because they don't bring drama - that hasn't been my experience at all.

Pluto square my Mercury was the worst for getting into arguments. Pluto and Saturn square Sun - I don't know, I've just felt more sure of what I feel, but that might also be Jupiter squares getting in there. It takes a lot for me to feel disdain.

Oh, I've just realized that you mentioned the conjunction. That's the only one I haven't had. I don't think I will have it.


See, I also gravitated towards men during a long period. I also said that men cause less drama but lately Iíve realized that itís actually the opposite! This made me think of some choices Iíve made and I wasnít happy about that. At all.

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posted September 19, 2020 07:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by vansio:
sounds self-hating charlie, a defense mechanism

...what is a woman? maybe defining the qualities you attribute to them might help reconcile the neglected areas of duality. in the wake of pluto, read about ďpsychological projectionĒ

edit: my own moon is 29įCap ... havenít completed plutos transit ... not for another three years ... placed in the 8th House already, with a natal sextile to the baddie


SOME women play the ďvictimĒ to get attention for whatever reason and I just donít like it. Iím not saying that men donít do the same as Iím sure they do, but MY experiences have mostly been with women. I suppose this can have something to do with my upbringing and having had to create my own ways constantly. Read somewhere that Cap moons in particular can go through hell when they are younger only to blossom when they are older? I feel this might be my case.

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posted September 19, 2020 08:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by charlie:
SOME women play the ďvictimĒ to get attention for whatever reason and I just donít like it. Iím not saying that men donít do the same as Iím sure they do, but MY experiences have mostly been with women. I suppose this can have something to do with my upbringing and having had to create my own ways constantly. Read somewhere that Cap moons in particular can go through hell when they are younger only to blossom when they are older? I feel this might be my case.

I'm a cap moon and my life has been horrible. I'm 35 now and it still sucks. The only time my life was peaceful was during my Saturn Return. I wonder when this "blossoming" is supposed to occur.

I will be going through transiting pluto conjunct moon in 2021 (I'm scared), so I guess I will be able to speak more about this topic during that time. However, I do have moon square pluto in my natal chart.

As a woman, I do get along better with men. I've been betrayed multiple times in my life. 90% of the time I've been betrayed by a female friend, so I've learned to be more wary of trusting women than men. Men (outside of any romantic relationship) have been my biggest supporters and have gone out of their way to help me during my times of need without ever asking for anything in return. Women, however, have only sought to tear me down despite my helping them in their times of need.

Maybe this conflict with women is a moon-pluto thing?

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posted September 19, 2020 09:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted September 19, 2020 09:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by charlie:
See, I also gravitated towards men during a long period. I also said that men cause less drama but lately Iíve realized that itís actually the opposite! This made me think of some choices Iíve made and I wasnít happy about that. At all.

Have you checked your progressed chart during the past seven years? Is it possible that a planet like Venus or Mars, turned retrograde in secondary progressions? I do think that Pluto can cause that kind of strong emotion, positive or negative, though. I have more that I could say, but I'm not feeling well, and I'm sleepy.

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posted September 20, 2020 12:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wouldn't say disdain. But power struggles, and trust issues with women during this transit.

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posted September 20, 2020 04:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for viviette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Could it rather be suppressed anger that is coming out
and not actually ďself-ď hate ?

Keep looking for that place that is your haven.
Nature (calm) you can build yourself up from within. Seek out what is good for you. An online course? Cinema? Or quiet reading ?
It doesnít need to be about people right now, especially during a pandemic (!) although maybe you would have a nice neutral discussion with shopkeepers.

Also the best way to feel good is to be extra friendly to shopkeepers and SMILE at them as you take your purchase.
There is no commitment (itís not a friend) and they enjoy feeling valued. They will smile back and it will give you buoyancy for the day and the positive contact you need to feel integrated .
Try it

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posted October 11, 2020 06:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StoneMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am currently going through Pluto conjunct Moon and opposite Sun, and Saturn is joining in for fun now too. I don't have disdain for women, but I am definitely struggling with my own sense of self (and I am a woman).

Now for me it's 2nd/8th house axis, so perhaps this is part of the difference too. For me I feel it is stripping me down to bare necessities. Everything I held important is being flipped upside down. But it's not tangible goods, thank goodness. It's more about my own personal ideals and how I defined myself.

I would say my relationships with women have improved, and friendships have become more meaningful to me. But I am also in a relationship focused period of my life... so take that as you will...

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posted October 11, 2020 06:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StoneMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am currently going through Pluto conjunct Moon and opposite Sun, and Saturn is joining in for fun now too. I don't have disdain for women, but I am definitely struggling with my own sense of self (and I am a woman).

Now for me it's 2nd/8th house axis, so perhaps this is part of the difference too. For me I feel it is stripping me down to bare necessities. Everything I held important is being flipped upside down. But it's not tangible goods, thank goodness. It's more about my own personal ideals and how I defined myself.

I would say my relationships with women have improved, and friendships have become more meaningful to me. But I am also in a relationship focused period of my life... so take that as you will...

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