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Topic: tPluto conj Moon and disdain for women
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charlie Knowflake Posts: 5030 From: Registered: Jun 2012
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posted September 17, 2020 02:01 PM
So..tPluto is finally done with my Cancer sun and Cap moon. Next up is venus and then I'm done with him! Been doing, involuntarily, some soul-searching and what has come up a lot is my COMPLETE and utter disdain for many (not all) women, in general! I just haven't been able to stand them! I think it all started when I moved back to Sweden late 2013 but it could have started before that without me even realizing it. tPluto would have been around 5-6 degrees away from my moon at that time. I have been downright sceptical, nasty and really aggressive towards some. Not saying they didn't deserve it as some of them ARE backstabbing b****** but it's not really ME to get involved with that stuff. Normally, I would just try and keep my head high and walk away; shrug it off. I have never had problems with women in my life and have had plenty of friends and I also have some tight aspects in my natal (can't recall which) that points to me actually liking , and thriving, being around women, so my question is: would tPluto on moon be able to stir this up? Has it been buried deep inside and he brought it out?? I am a woman btw. IP: Logged |
vansio Knowflake Posts: 1302 From: the outskirts of Delphi Registered: Dec 2017
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posted September 17, 2020 02:08 PM
sounds self-hating charlie, a defense mechanism ...what is a woman? maybe defining the qualities you attribute to them might help reconcile the neglected areas of duality. in the wake of pluto, read about “psychological projection” edit: my own moon is 29°Cap ... haven’t completed plutos transit ... not for another three years ... placed in the 8th House already, with a natal sextile to the baddie IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 15862 From: http://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?action=viewprofile;username=u36170365 Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 17, 2020 04:01 PM
I used to think that of both men and women (due to being bullied when I was a kid), but I feel it much less so as an adult. I've always been confused when people say they get along better with men, because they don't bring drama - that hasn't been my experience at all. Pluto square my Mercury was the worst for getting into arguments. Pluto and Saturn square Sun - I don't know, I've just felt more sure of what I feel, but that might also be Jupiter squares getting in there. It takes a lot for me to feel disdain. Oh, I've just realized that you mentioned the conjunction. That's the only one I haven't had. I don't think I will have it. IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 15862 From: http://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?action=viewprofile;username=u36170365 Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 18, 2020 02:26 PM
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charlie Knowflake Posts: 5030 From: Registered: Jun 2012
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posted September 19, 2020 07:25 AM
quote: Originally posted by vansio: sounds self-hating charlie, a defense mechanism ...what is a woman? maybe defining the qualities you attribute to them might help reconcile the neglected areas of duality. in the wake of pluto, read about “psychological projection” edit: my own moon is 29°Cap ... haven’t completed plutos transit ... not for another three years ... placed in the 8th House already, with a natal sextile to the baddie
Never thought about self hate...I do have a Cap moon and am VERY hard on myself so it’s not like I constantly pat myself on the back.. I did forget to write that this “woman thing” I’ve been going through has eased substantially the last couple of months and that’s why I was wondering about tPluto on moon.
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charlie Knowflake Posts: 5030 From: Registered: Jun 2012
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posted September 19, 2020 07:28 AM
quote: Originally posted by teasel: I used to think that of both men and women (due to being bullied when I was a kid), but I feel it much less so as an adult. I've always been confused when people say they get along better with men, because they don't bring drama - that hasn't been my experience at all. Pluto square my Mercury was the worst for getting into arguments. Pluto and Saturn square Sun - I don't know, I've just felt more sure of what I feel, but that might also be Jupiter squares getting in there. It takes a lot for me to feel disdain. Oh, I've just realized that you mentioned the conjunction. That's the only one I haven't had. I don't think I will have it.
See, I also gravitated towards men during a long period. I also said that men cause less drama but lately I’ve realized that it’s actually the opposite! This made me think of some choices I’ve made and I wasn’t happy about that. At all.
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charlie Knowflake Posts: 5030 From: Registered: Jun 2012
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posted September 19, 2020 07:32 AM
quote: Originally posted by vansio: sounds self-hating charlie, a defense mechanism ...what is a woman? maybe defining the qualities you attribute to them might help reconcile the neglected areas of duality. in the wake of pluto, read about “psychological projection” edit: my own moon is 29°Cap ... haven’t completed plutos transit ... not for another three years ... placed in the 8th House already, with a natal sextile to the baddie
SOME women play the “victim” to get attention for whatever reason and I just don’t like it. I’m not saying that men don’t do the same as I’m sure they do, but MY experiences have mostly been with women. I suppose this can have something to do with my upbringing and having had to create my own ways constantly. Read somewhere that Cap moons in particular can go through hell when they are younger only to blossom when they are older? I feel this might be my case. IP: Logged |
Astra Knowflake Posts: 1127 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 19, 2020 08:10 PM
quote: Originally posted by charlie: SOME women play the “victim” to get attention for whatever reason and I just don’t like it. I’m not saying that men don’t do the same as I’m sure they do, but MY experiences have mostly been with women. I suppose this can have something to do with my upbringing and having had to create my own ways constantly. Read somewhere that Cap moons in particular can go through hell when they are younger only to blossom when they are older? I feel this might be my case.
I'm a cap moon and my life has been horrible. I'm 35 now and it still sucks. The only time my life was peaceful was during my Saturn Return. I wonder when this "blossoming" is supposed to occur. I will be going through transiting pluto conjunct moon in 2021 (I'm scared), so I guess I will be able to speak more about this topic during that time. However, I do have moon square pluto in my natal chart. As a woman, I do get along better with men. I've been betrayed multiple times in my life. 90% of the time I've been betrayed by a female friend, so I've learned to be more wary of trusting women than men. Men (outside of any romantic relationship) have been my biggest supporters and have gone out of their way to help me during my times of need without ever asking for anything in return. Women, however, have only sought to tear me down despite my helping them in their times of need. Maybe this conflict with women is a moon-pluto thing? IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 15862 From: http://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?action=viewprofile;username=u36170365 Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 19, 2020 09:12 PM
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teasel Knowflake Posts: 15862 From: http://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?action=viewprofile;username=u36170365 Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 19, 2020 09:15 PM
quote: Originally posted by charlie: See, I also gravitated towards men during a long period. I also said that men cause less drama but lately I’ve realized that it’s actually the opposite! This made me think of some choices I’ve made and I wasn’t happy about that. At all.
Have you checked your progressed chart during the past seven years? Is it possible that a planet like Venus or Mars, turned retrograde in secondary progressions? I do think that Pluto can cause that kind of strong emotion, positive or negative, though. I have more that I could say, but I'm not feeling well, and I'm sleepy. IP: Logged |
Belage Knowflake Posts: 3393 From: USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 20, 2020 12:27 AM
I wouldn't say disdain. But power struggles, and trust issues with women during this transit. IP: Logged |
viviette Knowflake Posts: 265 From: FR Registered: Feb 2018
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posted September 20, 2020 04:41 AM
Could it rather be suppressed anger that is coming out and not actually “self-“ hate ?Keep looking for that place that is your haven. Nature (calm) you can build yourself up from within. Seek out what is good for you. An online course? Cinema? Or quiet reading ? It doesn’t need to be about people right now, especially during a pandemic (!) although maybe you would have a nice neutral discussion with shopkeepers. Also the best way to feel good is to be extra friendly to shopkeepers and SMILE at them as you take your purchase. There is no commitment (it’s not a friend) and they enjoy feeling valued. They will smile back and it will give you buoyancy for the day and the positive contact you need to feel integrated . Try it IP: Logged |
StoneMoon Knowflake Posts: 566 From: Registered: Apr 2018
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posted October 11, 2020 06:40 PM
I am currently going through Pluto conjunct Moon and opposite Sun, and Saturn is joining in for fun now too. I don't have disdain for women, but I am definitely struggling with my own sense of self (and I am a woman).Now for me it's 2nd/8th house axis, so perhaps this is part of the difference too. For me I feel it is stripping me down to bare necessities. Everything I held important is being flipped upside down. But it's not tangible goods, thank goodness. It's more about my own personal ideals and how I defined myself. I would say my relationships with women have improved, and friendships have become more meaningful to me. But I am also in a relationship focused period of my life... so take that as you will... IP: Logged |
StoneMoon Knowflake Posts: 566 From: Registered: Apr 2018
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posted October 11, 2020 06:42 PM
I am currently going through Pluto conjunct Moon and opposite Sun, and Saturn is joining in for fun now too. I don't have disdain for women, but I am definitely struggling with my own sense of self (and I am a woman).Now for me it's 2nd/8th house axis, so perhaps this is part of the difference too. For me I feel it is stripping me down to bare necessities. Everything I held important is being flipped upside down. But it's not tangible goods, thank goodness. It's more about my own personal ideals and how I defined myself. I would say my relationships with women have improved, and friendships have become more meaningful to me. But I am also in a relationship focused period of my life... so take that as you will... IP: Logged |