posted September 26, 2020 10:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
i was talking about Virgo rising, not Virgo Sun. But whatever, lol!

For a Virgo sun or rising to be chain smoking and experimenting with drugs and substances and eating bad foods and have all sorts of unhealthy habits, there has to be something in the chart that negates the Virgoan quality, usually the culprit is Neptune making hard aspects to important planets.

Case in point, Virgoan AmyWinehouse had South Node Neptune in Sagg conjunct her moon, and square her Virgo Sun/Mercury. That tension involving Neptune and such personal planets gave her that otherwordly fragile and wretched aura that drew and captivated us, but it was hard on her. Neptune conjunct moon made her romanticise drug's allure. Her brilliant song Rehab is a classic in that vein.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUmZp8pR1uc

She could not utilize her Virgoan qualities to save herself from drugs.

https://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Amy_Winehouse

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kurt cobain was a virgo rising

anyway i was talking virgo energy in general because generally personal placements in virgo give people this particular image,the one you mentioned, that i just can't really grasp based on having my sun there (in tropical though in vedic/sidereal i'm a virgo rising, venus, and have virgo ketu first house)

it's just bizarre to me

edit: what you just said kind of adds to my point though virgo energy doesn't cancel out habits like that regardless of where it is in the chart

so he could have a virgo ascendant and then just have other **** going on that cancels it out he has sun opposite neptune for example

posted September 26, 2020 10:46 PM            

River PHoenix natally has Neptune square Sun and Opposite Moon.

https://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/River_Phoenix

Gemini rising Virgoa Charlie Sheen has Neptune in 6th house of health, squaring the chart ruler Mercury.

https://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Charlie_Sheen

Michael jackson is more complex. In his chart, Neptune is not doing bad things but it is positioned in his 8th house of death, which can be ominous.

Micheal was Pisces rising, and he died while Neptune was transiting in his 12th house, opposing his natal Mercury in 6th house of health. Michael had been a typical Virgoan before, and was not addicted until later in his life, at the time that Neptune started opposing his 6th house stellium.

https://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Michael_Jackson
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posted September 26, 2020 10:52 PM            

I went back to OP's boyfriend and I noticed he has Capricorn Neptune opposite his Cancer Sun, and losely opposite his mercury, and square his nodes.

posted September 26, 2020 10:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
The 3 virgos names mentioned support my point about Neptune:

River PHoenix natally has Neptune square Sun and Opposite Moon.

https://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/River_Phoenix

Gemini rising Virgoa Charlie Sheen has Neptune in 6th house of health, squaring the chart ruler Mercury.

https://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Charlie_Sheen

Michael jackson is more complex. In his chart, Neptune is not doing bad things but it is positioned in his 8th house of death, which can be ominous.

Micheal was Pisces rising, and he died while Neptune was transiting in his 12th house, opposing his natal Mercury in 6th house of health. Michael had been a typical Virgoan before, and was not addicted until later in his life, at the time that Neptune started opposing his 6th house stellium.

https://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Michael_Jackson
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So thank you for proving my point, that one must look at Neptune natally or by transit, when one sees a Virgo that does not fit the bill.

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guy in question has sun opposite neptune though if we're being fair so based on your theory it could still be canceled out even if he was a virgo rising

my point was saying someone can't have a personal placement in virgo and also smoke makes no sense because it doesn't override those things

makes your initial statement off technically, adding in details while very interesting is just moving goal posts at this point 😁

posted September 26, 2020 10:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
I am not going to look up Curt Cobain, lol, I have done anough research so far to make my point and rest my case.

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you don't need to, he was a pisces sun 😁

it's an intriguing point, considering what i just finished saying though about how i didn't look at any charts i was just naming virgos with drug problems off the top of my head

though i think the virgo/pisces axis tendency towards self medication is overstated on the pisces side and understated on the virgo one

edit: neptune doesn't need to be doing anything bad in a chart though

posted September 26, 2020 11:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
guy in question has sun opposite neptune though if we're being fair so based on your theory it could still be canceled out even if he was a virgo rising

my point was saying someone can't have a personal placement in virgo and also smoke makes no sense because it doesn't override those things

makes your initial statement off technically, adding in details while very interesting is just moving goal posts at this point 😁

but that is intriguing to note considering my own sun is trine neptune and i never studied any of their individual charts i was just naming virgos i could think of who used drugs

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posted September 26, 2020 11:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Yes, see the last post I made about him.

Your sun is trine Neptune. Is Naptune squaring or opposing any planets of yours? Is Neptune in the 6th house? Or on the ascendant? That could make it difficult for you to utilize Virgoan energy. [/B]

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here's my chart, tell me why i'm broken 😁

edit: i'm not talking a minor drug problem either i was addicted to heroin, i used opiates from the time i was 15 up until a little over a year ago

on/off til addiction then a few times after getting clean from heroin

also smoked cigarettes for a long time (quit again recently), ive smoked a lot of weed(wont quit that for good just haven't had any in like a month), enjoy psychedelics (used shrooms and lsd several times each in the past few months), drank a lot (havent since december), smoked pcp laced weed a lot years ago, used lots of benzos (havent in years) , used to mix muscle relaxers with alcohol (and benzos, and heroin), other assorted pills, coke, molly, phenibut, and kratom (still use kratom, last time was a few days ago)

lot of drug mixing really

i spent years of my life high from the time i woke up until i went to sleep/passed out, daily

i've used drugs i've found outside and **** too and enjoy testing various plants and herbs for their recreational uses

posted September 26, 2020 11:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:

here's my chart, tell me why i'm broken 😁

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No one said you were broken. 😁

So your chart ruler is on the ascendant, which would cause a lot of preoccupation with the appearance, but the ascendant is also in the South Node, not exactly the direction you want to go.

In addition, your chart ruler Venus on the ascendant is forming a T square yod with Moon in Aries and Mars in Capp. Confirming that you don't care too much about your appearance. Though you clean up a bit when you're in a relationship.

Your Virgo sun is in the 11th house. not exactly a personal house. Neptune trines it, imparting qualities that are not Virgoan.

posted September 26, 2020 11:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
No one said you were broken. 😁

So your chart ruler is on the ascendant, which would cause a lot of preoccupation with the appearance, but the ascendant is also in the South Node, not exactly the direction you want to go.

In addition, your chart ruler Venus on the ascendant is forming a T square yod with Moon in Aries and Mars in Capp. Confirming that you don't care too much about your appearance. Though you clean up a bit when you're in a relationship.

Your Virgo sun is in the 11th house. not exactly a personal house. Neptune trines it, imparting qualities that are not Virgoan.

You can still actualize Virgoan qualities, but you would have to want to do so. But this is not where your life focus is. You have other fish to fry in your chart.

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it was a joke

when it comes to my appearance i groom myself and i'm always clean but i'm not particularly preoccupied with **** like clothes and whatnot

people find me attractive without doing much of anything so that's good enough

i get told i'm hot and cute etc often so it's not really important to me to spend a whole lot of time fussing over anything why bother?

idk about that sometimes i really would like to be organized but i'm incapable, just doesnt happen

i edited that post to elaborate a little on my drug history to give you a more clear picture of my life with that

it's sheer luck that i'm not dead (or just a matter of fate whichever you prefer)

posted September 27, 2020 01:34 AM            

A Virgo Rising makes a person have a disease. Kurt Cobain had it (his addiction and his depression) and I have a friend that is a Virgo Rising and he has a spine disease and using several drugs for anxiety and depression.

posted September 27, 2020 01:46 AM            

My mom has the South Node in Virgo and she took her body for granted.
My friend with Virgo Rising with his spine problems that is only to get worse over time.
A co-worker with Sun in Virgo born without an arm.
A director from a former job lost a few fingers at work.
Adding something that is just something that I noticed. I have a few friends that have North Node in Virgo and they are always making pictures semi-naked (Im talking about girls here) and seem to expose their body more than other people do.

posted September 27, 2020 01:55 AM            

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Originally posted by mee_chryssa:
Regarding Kurt Cobain, he was a Pisces Sun and has all his personal planets, including Jupiter and Saturn in water signs.
Im a Pisces and I can be addicted to several things. Thats why I take extra care about addictive behaviour.

A Virgo Rising makes a person have a disease. Kurt Cobain had it (his addiction and his depression) and I have a friend that is a Virgo Rising and he has a spine disease and using several drugs for anxiety and depression.

If someone wants to take this into account when researching Virgo Rising

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i don't have personal water placements in tropical at all, still deal with addiction

seems to me addiction is more complicated to find in a chart than just looking for water signs or hard aspects to neptune

i can only think of one tropical virgo rising i've known and if she had any health issues she never mentioned them, but that's too small of a sample size to go by, would need to see more virgo rising for that theory

interesting to think about though

edit: regarding your other post i do have health issues though, they aren't physically visible (typically) but they cause a lot of ******* problems

last time they got really bad i scared a lot of my ex coworkers, i didn't realize it at the time but i had gone so pale that it really was scary

everyone kept telling me to sit down, was scared of me driving,kept trying to bring me water (already had water) and hovering etc

i was confused at the time but when i got home i realized how bad it was, because i was too out of it when i saw myself in the mirror there to fully notice

crazy **** 🤣

posted September 27, 2020 01:58 AM            

My sister is a Sagittarius and she is addicted to weed. She smokes weed since she was 17 years old or maybe earlier.

posted September 27, 2020 02:07 AM            

when i think addiction i think waking up to withdrawal because you last used before you fell asleep, not "if i run out of this it would suck but i could take something else instead or try sobriety for a bit i guess"

might just be nitpicking though substance abuse is an issue on its own, but having been physically addicted to **** and then just spending years on end always wasted have to say there's a huge difference

posted September 27, 2020 02:13 AM            

I fell to this thing myself and it took me some time to get back on track because its not only about your body craving the substance, but the changes they made to your body **and way of being** (edited) too.

posted September 27, 2020 03:07 AM            

I totally get that notion to do it mostly for other people, that you need external motivation to care at all!!

I am Pisces with Neptune in second house. My values are always shifting and I easily lose track over my belongings.

My tip for you is, in case you want to clean up sometime.. (or anyone who has a similar problem like we do)

When I can’t handle the mess anymore, I’ll always start with the dishes first!!

I collect all cups and plates from every room and put them in the dishwasher/or sink. I get rid of the dishes first, then I collect all eating items, boxes etc. Put them in a big trash bag.

Then I clean the whole kitchen surface and the fridge, throwing stuff out. When my kitchen is clean, it’s so much easier to handle the rest! I’m motivated at that point.

I’m mostly depressed by my laundry, I hate that! So I just collect all laundry from any room and leave it next to the washing machine. If I did the laundry first, I’d have a hard time to move on.

posted September 27, 2020 06:39 AM            

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Originally posted by vansio:
because of house system, we need to know his place of birth to hone this type of thing

June 24-25 1987, born far from equator (intercepted signs)

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posted September 27, 2020 07:10 AM            

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Originally posted by mee_chryssa:
I dont know why you think that Virgos are like super healthy or have a great body because ALMOST every person I know that is a Virgo has some sort of body problems.

My mom has the South Node in Virgo and she took her body for granted.
My friend with Virgo Rising with his spine problems that is only to get worse over time.
A co-worker with Sun in Virgo born without an arm.
A director from a former job lost a few fingers at work.
Adding something that is just something that I noticed. I have a few friends that have North Node in Virgo and they are always making pictures semi-naked (Im talking about girls here) and seem to expose their body more than other people do.

Virgos are so obsessed with their bodies that sometimes they harm themselves.

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I did not say Virgos are superhealthy, nor did I say they have great bodies and never get sick.

What I am saying is that Virgos tend to be preocuppied with health and will not readily engage in practices that are counterproductive to their health unless there are hard aspects from Neptune to important planets natally or by transit.

As far as you stating Virgos always have a health problem, the truth is that practically EVERYONE has a health problem, but maybe Virgos talk about theirs more, LOL, giving you the impression Virgoes are the sickest.

Virgos are among the 3 longest living signs, according to gerontology studies. The other 2 are cancer and aries. So you can't tell me Virgos are sickest or plagued with more disease.

posted September 27, 2020 07:16 AM            

I am not sure why it's triggering people, why people insist of saying, I am virgo and I am anything but healthy, I drink and smoke and abuse my body, or I know Virgos who do this and that and therefore Virgos do not care about health...

posted September 27, 2020 08:10 AM            

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Originally posted by ana_bee:
@dumuzi I feel for you! I too have messy tendencies. I have a nice apartment, but I have a lot of stuff.. I’ll also seldom clean up right away. I wasn’t like that when my partner lived with me, because then I didn’t just clean for myself. My child is too small to notice yet.

I totally get that notion to do it mostly for other people, that you need external motivation to care at all!!

I am Pisces with Neptune in second house. My values are always shifting and I easily lose track over my belongings.

[b]My tip for you is, in case you want to clean up sometime.. (or anyone who has a similar problem like we do)

When I can’t handle the mess anymore, I’ll always start with the dishes first!!

I collect all cups and plates from every room and put them in the dishwasher/or sink. I get rid of the dishes first, then I collect all eating items, boxes etc. Put them in a big trash bag.

Then I clean the whole kitchen surface and the fridge, throwing stuff out. When my kitchen is clean, it’s so much easier to handle the rest! I’m motivated at that point.

I’m mostly depressed by my laundry, I hate that! So I just collect all laundry from any room and leave it next to the washing machine. If I did the laundry first, I’d have a hard time to move on.

Find something that comes easy to you, do it first!!
Save the worst for last. Most people say you should do it the other way around, but when you lack motivation in the first place, you need to find sth to start your engine. And this is usually something that isn’t too much work and has the greatest effect!! When I see my clean kitchen counters I get motivated to do the rest, because it reminds me that I actually like clean surfaces, aesthetically speaking! LoL
I also feel lighter afterwards.. don’t know how that saying in English goes.. something about a clean surrounding and a clean mind.. if you control the chaos around you, you also control the chaos inside you...something like that. I bet some Virgo came up with this! Some Virgo who was a Pisces in his former life.
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the funny thing is i don't have a lot of stuff i regularly throw things away because i hate having a lot of things, it's that the things i do have i tend to leave all over because if i use something i don't tend to put it away since that's inconvenient to always keep needing to go to wherever it "belongs" to get it

it's that habit that creates a lot of issues because i do that for a while with some things then abandon whatever spot is cluttered for somewhere else and so on

the kitchen is clean aside from the fridge, but that's largely dead to me so idk

i cleaned more with my ex around and she had a ton of stuff so that's not it at all

you mentioning all that just makes me feel like i should clean but i won't

as for his ascendant i'd go with virgo or gemini because there's something mercurial there but i'm not leaning towards cancer or his ascendant being aspected by mercury because i don't think it's aspected by mars and the chances for both would be somewhat high

posted September 27, 2020 08:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
I did not say Virgos are superhealthy, nor did I say they have great bodies and never get sick.

What I am saying is that Virgos tend to be preocuppied with health and will not readily engage in practices that are counterproductive to their health unless there are hard aspects from Neptune to important planets natally or by transit.

As far as you stating Virgos always have a health problem, the truth is that practically EVERYONE has a health problem, but maybe Virgos talk about theirs more, LOL, giving you the impression Virgoes are the sickest.

Virgos are among the 3 longest living signs, according to gerontology studies. The other 2 are cancer and aries. So you can't tell me Virgos are sickest or plagued with more disease.

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Im sorry, I didnt mean to get into an argument. I was just saying that almost all the virgos I know have some sort of health problems. Please consider that the Neptune trine Sun/Moon that you found is in the chart of an artist.