posted September 27, 2020 09:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Virgo is the sign of health. This is classic astrology that has not been disputed.

I am not sure why it's triggering people, why people insist of saying, I am virgo and I am anything but healthy, I drink and smoke and abuse my body, or I know Virgos who do this and that and therefore Virgos do not care about health...

Well, we are more than one planet or one sign. As astrologers we look at chart, which give us a more complete picture. A good astrologer will see why someone does not fit an astrological archetype and there is usually a good reason, not some astrological fluke. That does not mean the astrological archetype or symbolism is not true and has to be discarded.

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posted September 27, 2020 12:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
it was your initial statement of "he can't be a virgo rising he smokes" that's being latched onto, other things you've said afterwards aren't what the issue is

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"He smokes so I don't see Virgo rising here."

It is so rare to see someone smoking nowadays, I wouldn't think of Virgo rising at all when I see someone with a cigarette in their mouth, since this is not something a Virgo would NORMALLY do.

Having noticed some Neptunian connections to his Cancer sun, it is possible he could be Virgo rising and suppress the Virgoan qualities, but I still don't see it. Virgo rising for this guy is not supported by the rest of his chart. Virgo rising would put his 7th house at Pisces, and his 5th house at Capricorn, and I see nothing in these houses that would support his open relationship preferences.

posted September 27, 2020 12:43 PM            

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Originally posted by mee_chryssa:
Im sorry, I didnt mean to get into an argument. I was just saying that almost all the virgos I know have some sort of health problems. Please consider that the Neptune trine Sun/Moon that you found is in the chart of an artist.

I wasnt stating that as a 100% fact.

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No need to apologize, really.

posted September 27, 2020 01:30 PM            

i was paraphrasing, too much trouble to look back and find it

same idea though pretty much

guess it's dependent on where you live i know a lot of smokers and see plenty, and the few virgos i do know (i'm not around many for whatever reason) are smokers or were and eventually quit (myself included) i can only think of one who was more of a drinker and even she smoked but as a child/preteen (her virgo mother is a smoker too so was her virgo sister)

you're overlooking the natural excess energy/anxiety, need for calm and tendency to self medicate that virgo placements come with which can show up in unhealthy behaviors

posted September 27, 2020 03:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
[QUOTE]Having noticed some Neptunian connections to his Cancer sun, it is possible he could be Virgo rising and suppress the Virgoan qualities, but I still don't see it. Virgo rising for this guy is not supported by the rest of his chart. Virgo rising would put his 7th house at Pisces, and his 5th house at Capricorn, and I see nothing in these houses that would support his open relationship preferences.

But I could be wrong. This is all a guessing game.

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Hi, Belage thank you so much for your input! I’m also in doubt that he has Virgo Asc, it wouldn’t really fit his sexual activity and way of relating. What is your take, what could it be then?

posted September 27, 2020 05:01 PM            

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Originally posted by ana_bee:
Hi, Belage thank you so much for your input! I’m also in doubt that he has Virgo Asc, it wouldn’t really fit his sexual activity and way of relating. What is your take, what could it be then?

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posted September 27, 2020 08:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
relationship and relating to people could be explained by his moon/venus-uranus opposition and his mars squaring jupiter

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True, but he also has Moon/Venus with Saturn opposition which has a tighter orb of 2 degrees vs the Uranus opposition wide orb of 6 degrees. I would think Saturn opposition would influence these planets much more than Uranus.

posted September 27, 2020 09:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
True, but he also has Moon/Venus with Saturn opposition which has a tighter orb of 2 degrees vs the Uranus opposition wide orb of 6 degrees. I would think Saturn opposition would influence these planets much more than Uranus.

Would Saturn opposition to these planets make for open relationships preference?

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wouldn't cancel it out though and his mars would still be expressed as well

also open relationships aren't necessarily a free for all with no boundaries, not the route i've gone with that sort of thing anyway

but the venus-saturn opposition could lead to dissatisfaction with a single partner which is where venus-uranus would come in

just a thought

i have a minor venus-saturn aspect (semisquare) and a venus-uranus sextile and if i'm not fully content with another person but still feel otherwise committed i like to be open

different aspects but i imagine in his case it would be more prominent of a need than it is for me because it's an opposition and causing more friction

posted September 28, 2020 11:12 AM            

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Originally posted by ana_bee:
Hi Belage,
you guessed Gemini, and I see that too, since I’ve been dating someone (my longest relationship so far), who was a very similar type! And he too was a Cancer Sun..

With the new guy, .. I see many similarities to Gemini, but he has more density to him! And he is more refined, he studied classical music after all, and plays a classic instrument, though the music they make is very experimental. He also isn’t as ‚light‘ and all over the place as my ex was. [b]Could he be a Sagittarius Rising?? And we only perceive Gemini, because he has 2 personal planets in Gemini and Sagg is on the same axis! So these signs would be pretty similar, anyway. With Sag Asc, his MC would be in Virgo and maybe that’s why so many are hung up on the Virgo idea, because they actually see his Mc and not his Asc?! Just an idea.
His face is long-ish, so are his teeth. And his body temperature is rather high. Sagg people, or the ones with Jupiter on the Asc, always feel warm and I can confirm that! I also considered late Scorpio as well.. that could fit, because he has sth intense and mysterious about him, but his long teeth remind me more of someone with Sagg Asc or late Capricorn. 🤷‍♀️[/B]

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posted September 28, 2020 11:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
it's more that there's something mercurial there, which is why i said gemini or virgo mercury aspect possible but not cancer imo

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He is definitely Mercurial because he has Moon and Venus in Gemini, aspecting his Mercury. I’m also often perceived Mercurial, because I too have Moon in Gemini aspecting my Mercury, and my Sun forms a conj to Mercury as well, but my Asc is actually in early Scorpio.

posted September 28, 2020 11:28 AM            

People that have strong Fire energies connected to the Asc do tend to run warmer than average--either they have a lot of inner vitality/life force and/or their metabolism is pretty high. Jupiter definitely has a Fire side to it, but people so often and easily forget that Jupiter very much is still a ruler of Pisces--perhaps the most Watery Sign of the Zodiac--the waters of the Ocean.

You see this in Jupiter's color vibration in relation to the glands/centers and in auras. Jupiter is most often correlated with a purple energy which is a mix of red and blue--both quite Yang and Yin.

Btw, I'm surprised no one has pointed to Aries. It's not insignificant that you have both Venus and Mars in Aries. Someone with an Aries Asc can spark both very lovey dovey romantic (Venus), and intense passion/lust (Mars) in you through their very body/appearance and personality temperament.

But with Jupiter in the 1st, he's going to be far deeper, more sensitive, and faster vibrational than the typical Aries Rising (and likely not quite as self focused. Jupiter is very concerned with others and especially society at large). Then the ruler, Mars, is in Cancer widely conjunct Mercury. This adds to the sensitivity aspect, and also along with Aries (that of the head) and Jupiter indicates a deeper thinking type person.

Aries tends to have a somewhat long face as well. With Sagittarius it's particularly noticeable and the mouth is sometimes downright horsey.

Also keep in mind that strong Scorpio has a general 8th House connection and reaction to strong Aries--i.e. intense, magnetic, mesmerized, etc. I think you indicated that you have Scorpio Rising?

But Gemini Asc goes along better with the chart of an artist, since Moon and Venus would be most likely Rising. Venus conjunct the Ascendant or in the 1st is one of the strongest indicators of someone extremely involved with the arts.

With Venus in my 7th conjunct the Desc, and Libra Moon, I'm surrounded by artists--especially females, but not solely. My best male friend of many years is an artist who has Venus Rising and he happens to share the same birthday with my partner who is an artist and art teacher and who also has Venus Rising. Then I have a couple closer female friends who also are artists and have Venus Rising.

Having a combo of Venus and Moon Rising, Sun in Cancer, and chart ruler in Cancer, indicates a man who is pretty strongly in touch with his Yin/Feminine side. But the ruling Planet widely conjunct Mars and all that strong Gemini indicates some underlying Fire and/or Yangness to the personality and body as well.

Lol when are you going to ask him for his birth time?

posted September 28, 2020 01:35 PM            

To do a chart rectification, we would need to know about specific milestones in his life. Like the first time he had sex, if he ever moved and left his country of birth and relocated, did he ever get married, was he ever profoundly in love, did he lose one parent, when did he leave his parents home, when he started school, when did he start studying music, was he ever seriously sick, etc...

If you want a chart rectification, I believe Kannon is pretty good at it.

posted September 29, 2020 07:49 AM            

It’s interesting that you mention Jupiter as the co-ruler of Pisces! That could actually fit to his warm, happy, but mellow appearance!!

posted September 29, 2020 10:53 AM            

There is no stronger position for a Planet to be in than either conjunct the Asc, in the 1st House, and/or closest Planet to the Asc. The Asc and 1st House is like a giant magnifying lens to any Planets near or in same.

So, if he did have an Aries Rising, he would be first and foremost a primary Jupitarian. Jupiter is more chill and laid back than Aries (that's Jupiter more Piscean like side), though it very much does have an intense and passionate side (that's its more Sagittarius like side). Jupitarians are often very deep feeling and thinking, intuitive, sensitive, and conversely passionate people. Basically to understand Jupiter's energy more fully, you have to blend about 55% to 60% Sagittarius to about 45% to 40% Pisces to get a better insight (while knowing that even then, Jupiter is slightly different than that, since Signs do not = Planets and Planets do not = Signs).

Edgar Cayce's guidance/source most often referred to Jupiter as that of Universal consciousness, of (spiritual) strength, and the ennobling forces (they also spoke to it's expanding side/nature). Only occasionally did they attribute negative connotations to a highlighted Jupiter.

posted September 29, 2020 12:02 PM            

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No I don’t see Aries in him at all, tbh. He’s too mellow and chill for that. Aries is very energetic, and I find it easier when someone’s sun is in Aries, than their Asc! My best buddy is Gemini Sun, Capricorn Moon and Aries Asc. Despite his Capricorn Moon he is all over the place Most of the time, talking non-stop, gesticulating like crazy and he‘s super fit doing all kinds of sports. It also shows in his physique, he’s very athletic and rather short. He is blonde, his face is square/v-shaped.

It’s interesting that you mention Jupiter as the co-ruler of Pisces! That could actually fit to his warm, happy, but mellow appearance!!

I’ll just ask him next time!! We’ll meet tomorrow. If I have the info I’ll post it here, if you like.

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in person people tell me i'm the most laid back calm person they've ever met and i'm an aries moon, so that can definitely be canceled out

i do have energy in the playing around sense and i'll joke and i'm not particularly serious, like at jobs ive had usually the younger people like working with me because i'll play games with them to kill time and stuff so i'm like a kid in that way but i'm also rather mellow simultaneously

if there's conflicting energy with the aries or stuff to diffuse it you'll get a different sort of expression so never just look at the sign and assume that it will be fully expressed or expressed the same in everyone

it's like side effects of a drug or symptoms of a disease take a couple people and they can all take/have the same thing but the experience can be varied

edit: that all being said i lean more towards gemini ascendant like others have said and have since the beginning

posted September 29, 2020 12:50 PM            

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That's the thing about powerfully highlighted planets is that it can change the flavor of not only the Rising Sign, but also the whole chart, and often become a dominant note.

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With Libra Rising and Libra Venus conjunct your Asc--you probably couldn't get anymore Venus dominant. Venus being the hostess with the most'ess who loves to connect with others, be liked and like others, is friendly, accepting, is generally calm, laid back (maybe sometimes a little over much), and tends towards the co-dependent and people pleasing especially in closer relationships.

Aries Moon would add a little spice and fire underneath that a bit, but it would only come out in specific circumstances and situations--especially if you feel threatened emotionally.

posted September 29, 2020 04:00 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Yep Dumuzi, and you're a good example of what I pointed out earlier when I said, [QUOTE] That's the thing about powerfully highlighted planets is that it can change the flavor of not only the Rising Sign, but also the whole chart, and often become a dominant note.

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If your chart is very accurate, I imagine you're probably rather good looking as well, especially facially as to very proportionate and symmetrical features. [/QUOTE]

Not saying that Dumuzi doesn’t look attractive, I don’t know, but from my experience the most attractive people I’ve seen did not have that classic Libra theme at all! Libra gives a flavor of natural poise, these people somehow always look ‘put together’ , even a hobo with Libra Asc, who’d still look like a hobo, would maybe color coordinate their clothes, and move around with a certain dignity, maybe cockiness. He’d have a good posture and would be rather picky about stuff. This to me is Libra.

posted September 29, 2020 04:07 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Yep Dumuzi, and you're a good example of what I pointed out earlier when I said,

That's the thing about powerfully highlighted planets is that it can change the flavor of not only the Rising Sign, but also the whole chart, and often become a dominant note

With Libra Rising and Libra Venus conjunct your Asc--you probably couldn't get anymore Venus dominant. Venus being the hostess with the most'ess who loves to connect with others, be liked and like others, is friendly, accepting, is generally calm, laid back (maybe sometimes a little over much), and tends towards the co-dependent and people pleasing especially in closer relationships.

Aries Moon would add a little spice and fire underneath that a bit, but it would only come out in specific circumstances and situations--especially if you feel threatened emotionally.

If your chart is very accurate, I imagine you're probably rather good looking as well, especially facially as to very proportionate and symmetrical features.

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yeah people can mistake if for weakness and to an extent it definitely is, and it can take a lot for people to take me particularly seriously or listen etc and they tend to assume i just will be fine with whatever or won't care or i get a lot of being asked my opinion as a formality rather than it being relevant because i'm generally accommodating so it becomes expected

little frustrating

attractive though yeah, there's no shortage or people who tell me they're physically attracted to me (both genders) and it's definitely been an advantage to some extent in the sense that i've gotten jobs and gotten away with **** and have people who are helpful etc just due to that and nothing else

though it can be a double edged sword factored in with me being laid back because it leads to a lack of boundaries very often physically and otherwise

i'm very used to coworkers, strangers, friends etc being touchy and flirty and so on and it causes definite issues or can be a become uncomfortable as well

can also come with people not really giving a **** about me past my appearance and has also led to issues where i have trouble having friends where sexual **** doesnt come up at some point

posted September 29, 2020 04:08 PM            

Been studying astrology for 27 years, and once I found out the above, I became obsessed with learning everything about the looks aspect of astrology as a quick, general rectification method.

Many of the older astro books talk more about the above than the more modern ones.

But, if the chart is accurate and one has a very good grasp and understanding of all the different factors, one can narrow down a lot, even as to average or typical metabolism tendencies.

posted September 29, 2020 04:12 PM            

Btw, I just discovered that for a Libra Asc, all my personal planets fall in the 5th, 7th, and 8th house 😁.

posted September 29, 2020 04:25 PM            

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Not saying that Dumuzi doesn’t look attractive, I don’t know, but from my experience the most attractive people I’ve seen did not have that classic Libra theme at all! Libra gives a flavor of natural poise, these people somehow always look ‘put together’ , even a hobo with Libra Asc, who’d still look like a hobo, would maybe color coordinate their clothes, and move around with a certain dignity, maybe cockiness. He’d have a good posture and would be rather picky about stuff. This to me is Libra.

I find actual beauty really hard to determine, just as impossible as seeing someone’s sex or ethnicity through a chart. You also wouldn’t see whether someone’s fat or skinny for example. Of course every sign has certain traits, for example early Scorpio and Taurus Asc tend to be rather short, with short limbs, and Gemini/Sagittarius/Capricorn/Cancer Asc tend to be long limbed! I’ve done a lot research on that and it’s always been so far, unless planets in 1st house counter act that. But you still can’t say whether someone’s overweight or underweight, I think. 🤷‍♀️

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not the best posture actually and i guess it's easy to color coordinate when you don't really wear colors

don't care about clothes and **** like that, at all, find it all boring and senseless

people do think i'm attractive though just generally speaking i get told that frequently by a lot of people

my ex used to tell me my looks were better than my personality and another ex would get jealous over everything because of people hitting on me and whatnot

not full of myself or anything roll of the dice genetics aren't exactly an accomplishment but is what it is

edit: i've had offers for money in exchange for sex and **** just sort of out of nowhere and i've had people tell me **** like "it's fine that your life is a mess you're cute so everything will work out anyway you could always..." and then go on to imply there'd be someone willing to pay

gotten a lot of free drugs or people trying to buy me with drugs etc because of it too

people just sort of have this "you barely need to even be a person inside of there" kind of view of me i've noticed or like i've actually had people tell me not to be upset about completely unrelated **** because they think i'm attractive as if that just kind of erases other issues

posted September 29, 2020 10:54 PM            

Moon doesn't correlate with the physical body and looks unless one happens to have a Cancer Rising, or the Moon is strongly and/or more closely aspected to the Asc.

The very meaning of the Ascendant and 1st House is that of the self, the physical body, and the body temperament-personality attunement.

It's the Asc and related factors that indicates about the looks. This is a very ancient concept and one of the few agreed upon concepts across time and many different types and modes of astrology.

Obviously the metabolism can be affected by outside factors, and if someone continues to overeat or eat really crappy past their youth, eventually they are more likely to gain weight--even if they started off with a faster metabolism.