posted September 29, 2020 02:34 AM            

I want to know if this has some truth.

I have:
Moon conjunct Jupiter
Moon trine Saturn/Uranus
Moon sextile Mercury
Moon trine ASC
Moon is in 4th house

Venus square Mars
Venus trine Pluto
Venus sextile Neptune
(Venus minor Saturn/Uranus)
Venus is in 3th house

posted September 29, 2020 06:39 AM            

I did not know my birth mom, I was adopted.

posted September 29, 2020 10:35 AM            

My mom was a pretty cool person; a rather old Soul. She wasn't just my mom, but also a close friend and my first spiritual teacher (mostly by example). She was the glue of my larger family and sort of a cosmic mother type. At one point, she took in both of my cousins because they had it rough at home. She was just a very loving and caring person--an earth angel. This is not to say that she didn't have her issues and flaws, cause she did (she was too naive to my step father's dark side and that he was a psychopath--but she did somehow nurture and bring to life what little light he did have in him. But it's hard to change a tiger's stripes. He repayed her constant kindness and high tolerance by cheating on her with a friend/acquaintance of hers, when she was sick).

She was pretty artistic, somewhat musical, and very crafty (as in making crafts--not the technical use of the term).

Her strongest energies: Early Sag Venus widely conjunct late Scorpio Asc with her faster moving ruling planet, Mars, in Pisces. Cap Sun and Merc. Cancer Moon, Jupiter, and Uranus in wide opposition to the Sun & Merc. Besides the very strong Venus, she also had a pretty strong combo of Uranus, Neptune, and Jupiter.

Chart factor's of self that may relate: Early Libra Moon (ruler of 12th) conjunct late Virgo Saturn (which is sextile Scorp Uranus, widely square Sag. Neptune, and widely trine Cap Sun).

Aqua Venus in the 7th with only very close aspects to the outer planets and widely opposed the Asc.

IC/4th--Scorp IC with Scorp Uranus in the 4th, and faster moving ruler, Mars, in Virgo conjunct Jupiter, closely trine Sun, and widely square Neptune. Modern ruler in Libra very closely trine Venus, square the Sun, and widely sextile Asc.

My mom got first got sick with cancer when I was 16, and later ended up dying a few months after I turned 20. People say that "Pluto rules death", but in reality, Saturn is the original ruler of death, and it's primarily shown in my chart via the Saturn conjunction to the Moon, with Saturn ruling the 6th House of health.

posted September 30, 2020 01:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Travelman:
Venus Sag in 11th
Moon Aries 3rd house
Moon Trine Venus
Moon square mars
Moon Square Asc

I did not know my birth mom, I was adopted.

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posted September 30, 2020 01:32 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Some say the 4th or the 10th depending relates to the mother or mother figure.

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Her strongest energies: Early Sag Venus widely conjunct late Scorpio Asc with her faster moving ruling planet, Mars, in Pisces. Cap Sun and Merc. Cancer Moon, Jupiter, and Uranus in wide opposition to the Sun & Merc. Besides the very strong Venus, she also had a pretty strong combo of Uranus, Neptune, and Jupiter.

Chart factor's of self that may relate: Early Libra Moon (ruler of 12th) conjunct late Virgo Saturn (which is sextile Scorp Uranus, widely square Sag. Neptune, and widely trine Cap Sun).

Aqua Venus in the 7th with only very close aspects to the outer planets and widely opposed the Asc.

IC/4th--Scorp IC with Scorp Uranus in the 4th, and faster moving ruler, Mars, in Virgo conjunct Jupiter, closely trine Sun, and widely square Neptune. Modern ruler in Libra very closely trine Venus, square the Sun, and widely sextile Asc.

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How do you feel that Moon conjunct Saturn relating to your Mother? Is she a strict/rigid, ambitious, a little bit cold or sometimes too hard on you?

posted September 30, 2020 01:41 AM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
Moon conjunct Jupiter in the 4th is a good aspect. It shows a loving mother who was probably always there for you when you needed her. In the fourth this is the moons natural house, so its more powerful. You feel best when being close to home where you grew up. Generally you feel blessed by your family.

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Is it really a good aspect? Hmmm... What do you think any possible negative perspective from that aspect relating to the Mother?

posted September 30, 2020 01:49 AM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
Remember too, that your chart was a 'snapshot' of the transits your mother was experiencing during THAT particular time in her life.

It was also her 'medical' transit.

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That's too complicated.

posted September 30, 2020 02:01 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
might sound dumb but could you actually post the chart? i can't get a feel for **** without the visual, reading a list just isn't helpful for me

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Not sound dumb at all.

I list it so we can keep focusing objectively only on Moon and Venus, not distracted by other placement.

posted September 30, 2020 02:19 AM            

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Originally posted by hearttreasure:
How do you feel that Moon conjunct Saturn relating to your Mother? Is she a strict/rigid, ambitious, a little bit cold or sometimes too hard on you?

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No, as mentioned earlier, she was unusually loving, nurturing, and we were close until she got sick. I primarily see it as playing out in that she was a Capricorn Sun and Mercury, and that she got sick and died when I was relatively young and that was very hard on me at the time. Imagine a good friend that is also your mother and you share the same b-day and watching them waste away from cancer, near miraculously heal for a bit, then it happen again and then they die--from age 16 to 20. Bit of a testing/painful Saturn pattern no?

The other ways it manifested was that she was a bit over attached to manners and etiquette, but all in all she cared more about the Spirit of the law rather than letter of same.

And also, she would sometimes (ok, more like somewhat often) try to suppress my emotional reactions to my step father. My step father is a literal psychopath. He is very insecure, has a hair trigger temper, is extremely prideful, and egotistical (Leo Sun closely conjunct Leo Pluto etc).

There was 4 of us children (me the oldest), and the next oldest was my full brother, and then two siblings that were his and my Mom's kids and there was a pretty large age gap between me and them. Anyways, they were complete brats, and he was much harder on my brother and I (especially me) than on them. They would lie, make stuff up, or I'd correct them, etc, and I often got yelled at by my step father as if they could and did do no wrong. It was like they were an ego extension of him.

I'd also catch him in lies, contradictions, etc, and I wasn't afraid to stand up to him. As he is/was 6' 4", was around 240lb or so, and built like brick shite-house (when he occasionally worked, he did masonry), and had such a temper and violent side to him, she was terrified that I would push him too far in standing up for myself or my brother, and in speaking out, and that he would beat the ever loving crap out of me. I on the other hand, though always freakishly strong for my size, was short for my age throughout childhood.

Imagine almost every day of your life (when he wasn't in prison), from like age 9 to 19, being yelled and cursed at, and "challenged" to "go out back and be a man" and duke it out with him any time any disagreement or the like arose?

So she constantly was like, "Justin, please don't" when I would get upset or angry at his immature b.s. or unjust behaviors. Quite often I stood up for my younger brother as well, because he didn't treat him very well or fairly either. I just got to the point where the anger/rage completely overshadowed any fear, and I just didn't care anymore and wouldn't let him bully or intimidate me without speaking truth back. If I was going to get the crap beat out of me, I would go down with some fight or at least getting some choice words off my chest.

But he didn't usually get too physical when she was around--he was just smart enough to push me around the most when she wasn't around and didn't see. For a long time she didn't see how much of a liar he was. She sure found out when she found out he was cheating on her with a friend/acquaintance of hers, as she was dying of cancer.

So yes, I can see that her trying to restrain and make me hold my emotions in, could also be represented by Libra Moon conjunct Virgo Saturn. Sometimes I did listen to her and try to repress it for her sake (she would beg me at times, sometimes in tears). But thankfully there were times when I didn't and wouldn't.

posted October 01, 2020 01:10 AM            

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Originally posted by hearttreasure:
Not sound dumb at all.

I list it so we can keep focusing objectively only on Moon and Venus, not distracted by other placement.

I think I have posted my natal chart somewhere in this forum.

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i get that, but without a visual i can't grasp placements

i can read a list several times over, spend hours with it even, and not get what i can from a chart instantly even if i'm only looking at what's listed

it just doesnt compute i think partially due to lack of visual imagination and then partially because charts are maps essentially so theyre more visual by nature

more of a connection to the person as well, the actual chart over a list

posted October 01, 2020 06:35 AM            

I have Sag 4H with rxNeptune which only makes some semi-square to Mars 12H I believe.

posted October 01, 2020 06:55 PM            

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Originally posted by hearttreasure:
I have:
Moon conjunct Jupiter
Moon trine Saturn/Uranus
Moon sextile Mercury
Moon trine ASC
Moon is in 4th house

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Only good aspects of the Moon, Wow, then we would have to use derivative houses. It is an ancient method used by astrologers attached to the astrology of the ancients

posted October 01, 2020 08:46 PM            

4th house Taurus
Venus sextile mars
Venus trine Neptune
Venus opposite Pluto

I think my placements create the situation were my mom can go from being very caring and helpful to completely negligent.

On the positive side being a Cancer mom that's a homebody I did come from a warm and comfortable home (4th house Venus).

On the other hand she was extremely thrifty with money were she would always cut back on things I needed.

The only time she would actually give me things I needed is if I agreed to do things within her interest.

For Example. I will buy you new clothes for our gathering with family friends.

Her intention being a Cancer mom is she wants to sell the image of a happy family.

Me, I don't like them, they cause $hit and make me take the blame but I will put up with it temporary to get my new clothing.

So overtime I knew if I ever wanted anything from them it would work like a barter system. Most things I can just work and earn it myself.

I'd only barter with them for things that I desperately need or is unattainable. Then once i'm in a much better position just vanish and not say anything.

Most of all, they'll eventually get old and I can turn the tide on them (Mom), they'll eventually need me more then I will need them.

Which is were we are now. I have vanished on my family many times.

Being Cancers (Mom and Dad) they just can't accept a brake in family unity so they say they regret alot of there past decisions and are willing to do almost everything to make things right...or so they say.

I'm playing things both ways, if they make things right that's great. If not I don't need them and can live happy without them.

I'm not a bad guy, but I'm like a Scorpio here. There nice until you hurt them after that expect an awful sting.

posted October 02, 2020 04:49 AM            

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Originally posted by hearttreasure:
Sorry to hear that. It says, Moon/Venus can also describe a woman who takes a big role in growing up (mother figure), maybe, like a second mother to you. Can you relate from the aspect/houses?

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posted October 04, 2020 03:10 AM            

I have a very tenuous relationship with my Mother. She’s a very hurt person at heart and I think I trigger her a lot. I’m the Virgo and she is the Scorpio.

posted October 05, 2020 03:53 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
No, as mentioned earlier, she was unusually loving, nurturing, and we were close until she got sick. I primarily see it as playing out in that she was a Capricorn Sun and Mercury, and that she got sick and died when I was relatively young and that was very hard on me at the time. Imagine a good friend that is also your mother and you share the same b-day and watching them waste away from cancer, near miraculously heal for a bit, then it happen again and then they die--from age 16 to 20. Bit of a testing/painful Saturn pattern no?

The other ways it manifested was that she was a bit over attached to manners and etiquette, but all in all she cared more about the Spirit of the law rather than letter of same.

And also, she would sometimes (ok, more like somewhat often) try to suppress my emotional reactions to my step father. My step father is a literal psychopath. He is very insecure, has a hair trigger temper, is extremely prideful, and egotistical (Leo Sun closely conjunct Leo Pluto etc).

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So yes, I can see that her trying to restrain and make me hold my emotions in, could also be represented by Libra Moon conjunct Virgo Saturn. Sometimes I did listen to her and try to repress it for her sake (she would beg me at times, sometimes in tears). But thankfully there were times when I didn't and wouldn't.

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I don't know if Mother's death can be indicted from child's Saturn aspect to the Moon, or even the Pluto to the Moon. My oldest sister has Moon in Libra conjunct Libra Pluto and my brother has Capricorn Moon square Saturn and square Pluto, but my Mother is a very healthy woman. She is a health conscious Mother where even in my childhood, we should only eat a home cook meal (which is very healthy I think and a little bit boring sometimes because of the taste) and to prevent us having a snack outside (because she told us its dirty and unhealthy), she cut our pocket money or only gave us little by telling that we were poor.

She is best described with Moon/Pluto and Moon/Saturn mother. Although not that extreme, but one principal applying to her behavior as a Mother: CONTROLLING & HIGH EXPECTATIONS, to her own children, not to other people. I feel as a child, she puts a lot of pressure.

My Moon conjunct Jupiter describes her as a highly religious Mother to a point sometimes I feel like she acts like God: never wrong, the punisher, the only person who can judge others but for an exception: if the person she doesn't like you are in, if the person she likes you get the words like "you get demonic influenced" or "it's not a nice thing to judge people". Well, for me, as long as it is a good judgment (objective, insightful, and consist non-harassment), don't we need it for our own good too (for a knowledge, for an alert, for a consideration)? She can be a little bit narrow minded because of being super religious kind of person. You have one bad behavior and congratulations you get a stamp for a horrible person for years until a redemption which is not an easy ticket to get.

My Mother is a Cap/Aqua Cusp (21st Jan) where her Saturn is in Cap. She is a very conservative mother, very attached to manners and etiquette too and at first I thought my Mom is a Cap due to her discipline nature. I see her more clearly when I am far from her and go through a self-maturing process from the upside down of my life and open my mind from traveling (when I get out from the house for an education). My birthday is not far from her and you will be surprised how similar our placement but yet we are very different.

Hey, my Father is a Leo sun conjunct Leo Pluto close (like your step Father placement). It's interesting. My Father is a smart bookworm kind of guy, due to his other placement in Aquarius and Virgo, also a family guy (Cancer Venus). She is a good man I can say, rare man found nowadays I think. He came from a small town, not rich, and an ordinary high school graduate guy who passed the big oil company selection where he got a chance to continue a degree, which is a huge accomplishment for him and started building a career until his pension.

Believe it or not, my Mother is a more hot-blooded than my Father who is a problem solver with calm/logic way to deal with something. He has no power over my strict Mother, will always step back once my Mother roars. Children are more afraid to Mother than Father. And husband is more afraid to his wife. Hahaha... That's why I feel best when I am far from home. I don't hate my Mother, but I can't stand how too much I feel about her.

I think about Pluto, it's either destructive or transforming. Very few Plutonian people is a not defensive sound like, angry, or scary. And you can not change or save Plutonian, it's only them can do that for themselves. When dealing with a destructive Pluto, it's best to leave them (emotionally & physically), unless you have much Neptune placement in your natal chart. Because I see Neptunian can stay longer with Plutonian, more smooth relationship than other. I think your Mother was just trying to protect you to avoid further problem with your step Father. I also have Sun/Pluto but, honestly, I am too will be very careful dealing with Plutonian people or Pluto relationship, because I just know.

posted October 05, 2020 03:54 PM            

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posted October 05, 2020 03:56 PM            

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Originally posted by MMarie:
Venus conjunct south node & ASC
Moon conjunct Sun in (in Leo1st)
Moon/sun square Mars (in Taurus10th)
Moon widely square Pluto (in Scorpio 4th)

My parents fought a lot and haven’t spoken to each other in 10+ years. My mom had some anger issues as well and did cause some painful situations during childhood but I have a better relationship with her now and do have a lot of respect for her. She overcame a lot in her life.

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Wow lots of hard aspect.

My brother is also has Moon square Pluto, in Capricorn. I don't know how he feels about my Mother, because he is very quiet about it. Hmmm....

posted October 05, 2020 03:57 PM            

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Originally posted by hearttreasure:
Am I missing something?

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