posted October 20, 2020 08:09 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Yeah, there is a lot going on here, both positively and in the challenge sense. This is a connection that will require a lot of mutual self and other honesty and open communication to work best. I mean, that's true pretty much with all relationships to some degree, but will especially be key in this one.

Not sure when I will be able to get to Sag 1, but will try to when I can. I see/feel A LOT of information when I look at Synastric comparisons and it takes awhile for me to process and go through it being tipped to the introverted side of the spectrum. It's a bit "information/stimulation overload".

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posted October 20, 2020 08:10 PM            

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Originally posted by LovelyAries86:
@Galactic

When you say he will want to take back control - control of what exactly? The only thing I feel that I keep reigns on at times are my own emotions when I don't completely trust a man - as I *must* feel secure in order to fully let go. And I'm sure my IC does in fact play a role in this as well. I strongly prefer to be with a healthy masculine man that often takes the lead. And I will openly express my desires and my boundaries to him and won't tolerate mistreatment! I'm feminine, but I'm no pushover.

You are correct that I have a very Cardinal personality that doesn't hesitate to take action. That's why I can't seriously date anyone passive or lazy!! Mega turnoff.

I don't know how to feel about our Uranus connection. As the on-and-off, detached energy of Aquarius has always thrown me off. It's fun, but makes me kind of guarded. Maybe he feels the same? Having Taurus Venus, I'm big on emotional & financial security!! So how exactly does this work out? LOL

And I adore older soul types! I've always been an older soul since childhood. Both of these men are quite a bit older than me BTW. Isn't Saturn big in long-term relationships?

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posted October 20, 2020 09:30 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
And I am like you. I need to be able to relax and trust. Aries/Gemini/Scorpio Uranus conjunct ascendant here.

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posted October 20, 2020 10:22 PM              

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Originally posted by LovelyAries86:
@Galactic

You're a Libra Moon just like Sag #1. I do worry a bit about his ability to go DEEPER on an emotional level and how loyal he can truly be. What would you say about that? What insight can you offer on this placement in relationships?

I'm an Air Void. So when I see a man's Moon or Venus in Air Signs... I wonder about our longevity together. Gotta be honest.

BTW - thanks again for your thorough analysis of Satutn. Very helpful.

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So Moon is not the only symbol which relates to our emotions and feelings--it's actually a combo of Sun, Asc, Moon, IC, Venus, and our strongest Planet/Planets. And keep in mind that Planetary energy tends to be stronger/more concentrated than Sign.

So it's not as simple as people with Moon in Air lack deeper feelings and emotions. Conversely, look at Dick Cheney and his chart--he has Moon in Pisces--one of the most sensitive and deep feeling Sign of the Zodiac, yet the guy is as cold as ice and severely lacks empathy.

As to strongest Planet--take someone with Mercury closely conjunct their Asc. They could have a bunch of Planets in Water and/or Fire Signs, but chances are, they would be a lot more cerebral than you'd might expect. Actually, I know of such a case--a friend. He has Leo Sun, Cancer Rising, Cancer Mercury, his ruling Planet in Libra conjunct Venus, and some Scorpio. With all that Fire and Water, you'd think he'd be very emotional and feeling oriented.

But Mercury is in his 1st and closest Planet to his Asc--while he definitely has emotions and feelings, being so attuned to Mercury, of the mind and intellect--he is also very cerebral and loves analyzing data and other Mercurial things that most people would find boring or uninteresting.

Or take my core partner, she has Capricorn Rising with her chart ruler in Libra, Aquarius Sun, Aquarius Venus, and Aquarius South Node. But, she has Venus in her 1st and it's the closest Planet to her Asc--she is very attuned to Venus, and Venus is very much a feeling oriented energy. She is a lot warmer and feeling oriented than someone with such strong Aquarius is "supposed" to be. (And boy is she addicted to cuddles, being rubbed, and touched in an affectionate and loving way).

Speaking for myself, though I have Libra Moon, I'm a very deep feeling person. I'm not highly emotional in the sense of expression, but I have very, very high empathy and very deep and intense feeling nature. Almost anytime I see a person cry, either in emotional pain or joy, I start to immediately tear up.

I was born so hyper empathic that when I was little, it was very heavy and painful for me, because most of what I felt in others and in the world was pain and suffering. When my parents started asking me what I wanted to be when I grew up, I told them I wanted to be and would be a "doctor" to everyone, everywhere, and that I would always be there for anyone who needed someone. I didn't want to be a literal doctor, but it was the only thing in my 4 yr old mind and vocab that related to helping others in a universal and unconditional way. I was pure empathy and universal Love. My dad is a musician and he was really touched and inspired by our talks of the need for more love and care about each other in the world, and he wrote a song about it called Dr. Everywhere. This is a friend and I performing it:
http://youtu.be/mg43X3A3sZI

Some things that relate to the above astrologically. Jupiter very strong, Capricorn Sun parallel Sag Neptune, Moon ruler of the 12th conjunct the ruler of my Sun and Mercury, and co-ruler of my Venus and Descendant (in a Sun Sign sense, this means I'm like a hybrid of Capricorn and Cancer, with strong focus on 12th House matters), Leo Rising with Sag Neptune trine same and as mentioned ruler in Cap, Venus, ruler of the Moon Sign, very closely sextile Neptune and trine Pluto, Venus also VERY strong being in the 7th and in opposition aspect to the Asc point, Scorpio IC with faster moving ruler conjunct Jupiter, and angular (7th House) Pisces S. Node.

Loyalty: Again, speaking for myself. I have never cheated in any relationship. As mentioned, my partner and I have been together for 19 years. The first 7 years were completely monogamous before we mutually agreed to have an open relationship. In that 7 years, I didn't ever cheat and never seriously considered it. The closest I ever came was telling a female friend about a dream I just had where we kissed. We are both into dreams, astrology, spirituality, etc, and I really was only telling her because of the mutual interest in dreams and dream symbolism. I wasn't "hitting on her", but being my usual Leo Rising/very strong Jupitarian very open and honest self.

Though I have had an open option for the last 12 years, and despite that she has dated a lot more than I have, I've mostly stayed away from it. The Lass I talked about earlier, the Aries Sun (who funny enough was born a day later than you), was the first connection I was open to romantically in a number of years. And it's because I fell deeply in love with her very quickly, because we have such an intense other life and spiritual/energetic connection.

posted October 21, 2020 11:12 AM              

Then consider that his Moon is near your Asc. Remember that the Ascendant point, in both a Natal and Synastric sense, is like a giant magnifying lens. You bring out his Lunar side very strongly. Perhaps more so than he is comfortable with.

And Moon is not all peaches and cream--I don't know why it's never discussed in mainstream astrology, but the Moon has difficult parts of it--it's very much related to fears and worries. It's not the deep, concentrated fears of Saturn and Pluto, but more everyday worries and insecurities of, "But what if they don't like me?" kind.

In other words, while strong Moon contacts can coincide with a certain level of comfort and familiarity (often because of it's association with the past in a strong and emotional sense), they can also involve those kind of insecurities and fears as well. Mainly, fear of being emotionally vulnerable. Especially so in a man (unless he grew up in a rare culture where men are not taught that feelings, emotions, and vulnerability is weakness).

posted October 21, 2020 02:38 PM              

But if I were to speak for the Moon, I would say that she is more comfortable in Libra than she is in Gemini or Aquarius. But as mentioned earlier, just because a person has Moon in Gemini or Aquarius, doesn't mean they don't have deeper emotions. You have to look at various other factors. If the Moon is conjunct Venus, Neptune, Jupiter, or Pluto for example, that will greatly alter that and the person will be either more sensitive, deep feeling, and/or passionate/intense (in the case of Pluto or Jupiter).

posted October 21, 2020 03:47 PM            

Pretty cool song you were singing. Thanks for sharing something so personal. And for helping me understand Air energy better.

Sag #1 definitely has a solid poker face and a very masculine exterior. But I've had a feeling that he feels things deeply underneath ALL of that, so what you're saying resonates. So with his Moon being on my ASC, I make him feel vulnerable and he hates it? So how do I make him more comfortable without putting myself in the leadership role? We are friends but he's clearly into me and afraid to fully show it. It's like he desires me but is panicked LOL

posted October 21, 2020 05:03 PM              

Interact with and treat him in a way that aligns with his real self (i.e. deeply emotional with intense feelings, sensitive, etc), and less with the projected image (stoic, very masculine, etc)?

posted October 21, 2020 06:51 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Wouldn't necessarily say hates it, and actually maybe a part of him likes it, but more discomfort/uncomfortable for him?

Interact with and treat him in a way that aligns with his real self (i.e. deeply emotional with intense feelings, sensitive, etc), and less with the projected image (stoic, very masculine, etc)?

Dunno, these kinds of things are best reasoned within self.

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The man is so damn busy and has too many irons in the fire! He seems to do this as a way of running from REAL connection (that he longs for) with everyone around him. So that's why I haven't gone very "emo" with him yet. I'm open to it if he stops playing games. Remember, my Taurus Venus must feel secure in order to fully open up!

posted October 21, 2020 11:46 PM              

Thanks, must be all that Earth in my chart.