posted November 07, 2020 09:12 AM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
Ummm...no! Probably the opposite. I’m wide awake, even paranoid, until I relax. Other people have to earn my trust!!

Cap Moon 5H sq Libra Pluto 2H.

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posted November 07, 2020 10:24 AM            

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Originally posted by hearttreasure:
So, do you mean, it's impossible for you to quickly decide marrying someone before knowing him/her deeply?

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posted November 07, 2020 11:20 AM            

Singular aspects alone, rarely account for a major pattern all by itself. There is usually repeating, underlying patterns.

posted November 07, 2020 11:35 AM            

So, would it be weird when a Capricorn moon square Libra Pluto person decides to marry someone just after 2 months in a relationship from a blind date?

What would you think why Moon/Pluto person can be that quick to take that decision?

posted November 07, 2020 12:20 PM            

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Originally posted by hearttreasure:
Ok,

So, would it be weird when a Capricorn moon square Libra Pluto person decides to marry someone just after 2 months in a relationship from a blind date?

What would you think why Moon/Pluto person can be that quick to take that decision?

No Neptune touches the venus. Not sure about the houses, because I don't have the birth time.

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posted November 07, 2020 12:30 PM            

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Originally posted by hearttreasure:
So, do you mean, it's impossible for you to quickly decide marrying someone before knowing him/her deeply?

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I said "no" when proposed to one time. We had been dating for over 6 years at that point. Something inside me said "no", so it was a "no".

I am REAL finnicky with the opposite sex (men). It can literally be the smallest thing that sets me off and running. The way he smiles. The way he eats. The way he sleeps etc etc etc etc And I will say this, as a Cap Moon: if he doesn't have his economy together by working, I'm out. I like men to be serious with their work ethics. Find it sexy even! Doesn't really matter WHAT they work with but I like to be with someone that enjoys working and takes pride in it.

posted November 07, 2020 06:15 PM            

He has Venus in Virgo square Uranus & Jupiter. Moon in Capricorn square Pluto and Saturn. He has a good job, high salary, and came from a family with great heritance. He was very picky before and used to be in a relationship longer before deciding to marry someone. He always wants to marry and has a family. When he met this woman, he took a very quick decision based on how the woman said straight fully that she didn't looking for a relationship but a marriage and it was the same mission as him. She knows his background as the blind date was arranged by her family, but he doesn't really know her background.

posted November 07, 2020 11:56 PM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
Ummm...no! Probably the opposite. I’m wide awake, even paranoid, until I relax. Other people have to earn my trust!!

Cap Moon 5H sq Libra Pluto 2H.

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posted November 08, 2020 12:00 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Blind in love would be more like Venus square or conjunct Neptune, Neptune in the 5th or 7th with mostly stressed aspects, especially in combination with a lack of Earth and/or strong Mercury attunement.

Singular aspects alone, rarely account for a major pattern all by itself. There is usually repeating, underlying patterns.

Moon-Pluto tends to be very fear based and oriented, especially when it comes to their emotions and shadow, and this can be a big distorter. With that said, they are often also very ATTACHMENT oriented, so once they fix their sites on a chosen "special" one, then they can be very fixed and set about how they view that person. This also can lead to distortions.

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posted November 08, 2020 01:55 AM            

I have no distortions. I can clearly see through the other's heart. I accept the special one exactly as he is. And place him to the top.

posted November 08, 2020 02:05 AM            

I'm not religious, but there is a biblical teaching which sums it up very well, "That which I have feared, has come upon me."

When we open up our hearts, and say yes to love, but also apply discernment and discrimination at the same time (without fear, but with our eyes and senses open), it makes it easier for us to attract/be attracted to those people and situations which are heathier.

This doesn't mean that we will never experiences hurt, disappointment, pain, nor challenge. We may for other reasons, but it does mean we tend to heal faster and accept such situations for what they often are--growth and/or balance catalysts.

And on a more human level Teasel, just keep in mind that you are a very lovable person, and not all men are creeps like your BIL. Sometimes I get the sense that you might have some unconscious anger/resentment towards men that affects your general relationships with them, even with the good or decent ones. If that is the case, that would be understandable, and it's not a judgement, but just something to become conscious of more fully and to let go of.

All healing is ultimately related to either forgiveness of self and/or others. Having read Weiss's "Only Love is Real", you already know this intellectually, but maybe need to deeply feel and practice it more?

And it might not even be so much your Soul level that needs this healing. It just might be your body level. Often times our body holds onto things long after we, as Souls, let go of it.

For example, when my Mom died, after a few years or so, I made my peace with it on a Soul level. But my body was still holding onto to the grief. The body is it's own entity to some extent. It's not a truly self aware, choosing entity like our Soul, but it has an awareness of sorts. It's very hard to explain.

Anyways, about 10 years after she left this level, I had a dream where I re-experienced all of it again, starting crying in the dream, and woke up weeping and continued to weep for a little while after waking up. It was some sort of cathartic release more for the body, than purely for the Soul. But that's a two way street of interconnection and inter-affecting. If your body is still holding onto something, your Soul is going to fee and experience some too, and vice versa.

Anyways, I think you have a beautiful Soul, and that you deserve to be happy, at peace, and to have healthy connections. If Mr. Taurus is a good man, don't push him away because of fears and because of past hurts and wounds that other men have caused you.

posted November 08, 2020 02:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Eternal Energy:
I have my Pluto parallel my Moon and yes when I fix my eyes to the special one, I place him to the top of the world. He is the greatest, the strongest, the most beautiful, the most capable man of all.

I have no distortions. I can clearly see through the other's heart. I accept the special one exactly as he is. And place him to the top.

I definitely like this aspect in the synastry (conjuction, square). I believe it must be a once in a lifetime feeling that you can never forget...

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How do I say this gently--I'm not sure how to? Pluto, along with Mars and Saturn, is very aligned with/connected to what we humans often call "ego" (in the non psychology/clinical sense of the term). We could have a very long and deep conversation about what ego is and isn't, but I think we all have a sense of the popular/common use of the term. It's that selfish, fear connected, insecure, separative/isolating, superior feeling, etc part of us. The part of us that has a very hard time seeing the lack of Love and positivity within ourselves.

What you are describing is not Love, but more so ego.

You have a need to put a partner on a pedestal as "the best" because he is YOUR partner. This is a narcissistic type projection onto the partner. It's what some parents do with their children where their children can do no wrong.

Having worked with students, and my partner even much more and longer than I have, we have seen these types of parents time and time again, where the child is nothing more than an ego extension of them, and the child can do no wrong, even when clearly they do some very wrong things.

True, real Love sees through the eyes of balance, of seeing things for how they truly are. It looks for and sees the good in others, while recognizing and being aware of the lack, or the negative. This is how Source sees/perceives us. It completely loves and accepts us, but also sees and accepts that we have things to work on, areas to grow in, etc. We have the innate seed, potential, and destiny of perfection, but until we choose and start to LIVE that consciously (like Source does), we have not fully realized that perfection. It remains a buried potential rather than an actualized, conscious state of being.

This is how the eyes of Love see others. Not on pedestals, not unrealistically, not with blinders, nor "my partner is the best, the most beautiful, the most this or that." Maybe they are ACTUALLY some of that, but chances are, not in all or even most areas.

I'm speaking as one who has been in a very close, very loving continuous relationship with their twin soul for almost 20 years now. If my partner started to put me on that kind of unrealistic pedestal (she has some in bragging to her friends about my love making skills), not only would I become mighty uncomfortable, I'd probably confront her about it and tell her, "You are not seeing me truly, but are projecting your ego and an illusionary self created image onto me. Please stop."

For remember, the ego and shadow is all about that which we have a hard time accepting in ourselves. We project our ego and shadow onto others in two different main ways. Either "positively", or "judgmentally". Both are unconscious, both limiting, both distorting.

What you said, is a perfect example of what I was hinting at earlier in my previous post. This is the Plutonian attachment issue I hinted at.

I know a woman with Scorpio Moon conjunct Pluto conjunct IC, and Pisces Venus Saturn conjunction the 7th. Every partner she has been with, she has not seen clearly and realistically, and she goes from the extreme of projecting her ego onto them either in a very judgmental/harsh way, or in that pedestal kind of way. And sometimes it flips from one to the other.

Interestingly, Stephen Arroyo in his book, "Astrology, Karma, and Transformation", talks about females with strong and especially stressed Moon Pluto aspects (including conjunction which a parallel is akin to), and says oddly, it's common for women with these aspects to put a father figure on a pedestal as well. And again, in an unhealthy and unrealistic kind of way. (This may be partly a reaction to the relationship with the mother figure, which tends to be more overtly uncomfortable).

(Self has no Moon Pluto aspect, but the ruler of my Moon Sign (Libra), MC (Taurus), Pluto (Libra), and 3rd House (Libra), Venus, is in the 7th, in Aquarius, and trine Libra Pluto in the 3rd within a handful or so minutes of separation.

Self came in knowing very deeply about the transformation and power of real Love, and has been through some very intense, and extreme experiences in these areas and speaks from very deep, hard fought/won realizations).

posted November 08, 2020 01:05 PM            

I kind of have a feeling that the woman sees him as an "unrealistic pedestal" and he sees the woman superficially from what she appears on social media.

I have a feeling that both of them like each other because of "their status" or "what they appear to the outside", but not "in person" because of how quick they decide to tied the knot.

The woman:
- Capricorn moon conjunction Neptune & Uranus
- Pisces venus sextile Neptune, Uranus & Jupiter, trine Pluto

The man:
- Capricorn moon square Pluto & Saturn
- Virgo venus square Uranus & Jupiter

The mother of the man has a feeling that the woman wants to marry him because of his good job with high salary and a good family background because the woman refuses to get to know each other first.

Meanwhile, I think the man has a high fear of abandonment and low self-esteem/confidence, so when this woman comes very strong with attention, head in a clouds about giving him all the pleasure in a marriage, and refuses to give up their connection, he gives in.

I thought there is some "blind love" in their relationship because:

1. He refuses to listen to other people that she has a bad rep to only date for a rich guy/hold at least a manager position's guy/came from a rich family. And the rumor about she is being another woman with her friend's guy because the guy is rich. It's a very strong rumor but he insists she isn't like that because she told him it's not true, although a lot of people who knows her say the rumor has some truth.

2. They refuses to let go the relationship and make a lie here and there to meet secretly. Their relationship is quick to be a topic in neighborhood because of her bad rep.

3. He used to be obedient to his parents, but since he met the woman, he torture the family with emotional torture to make the parents agree with him and give the blessing. I see the Pluto in him for the first time.

posted November 08, 2020 01:58 PM            

"With that said, they are often also very ATTACHMENT oriented, so once they fix their sites on a chosen "special" one, then they can be very fixed and set about how they view that person. This also can lead to distortions."

Adding in what I said to Eternal Energy about how Pluto is often strongly tied up in and connected to ego and shadow energies and patterns, then one can begin to see that Moon-Pluto and Venus-Pluto can in their own ways, be blind in love.

But it's a different feel and attunement than the Neptunian kind. With Venus-Neptune, it's more of a universal Love and being in love with love kind of thing, and/or not being conscious to their own shadow or the shadows of others enough.

With Pluto, it's a very strong attachment and/or ego thing.

But you have to take the whole chart into account in each case. I really tend to not like these singular pattern threads because all too often they become far, far too overgeneralized.

The woman I mentioned earlier, for example, has repeating patterns related to this. Not only Moon conjunct Pluto, but Moon in Scorpio. Also Pisces Venus conjunct Pisces Saturn in 7th House/Pisces DESC. I would also argue that her Aries Sun in the 8th supports the underlying pattern I observed both in person and in her chart.

Then we also have to consider that we have spiritual/freewill. That cannot be read/seen in the chart. Patterns in charts ARE sometimes changed for the better or the worse. Too often us astrologers seem to forget about the spiritual/freewill part of the equation in our zeal to understand the astrology and "diagnose" others.

But people generally being creatures of habit, and with the law of energy conservation and inertia--that an object in motion tends to stay in motion etc, yes, many people unfortunately do remain more or less self chosen slaves to their birth charts, rather than transforming.

The person I mentioned has a lot of potential and power for major transformation, as well as all the issues I pointed out. My partner had a guidance dream about her and saw her going from an ugly mottled black and brown caterpillar in a very raw and painful state, to eventually becoming a white, hairy moth (VERY spiritual and transcendent symbolism).

We should never put people in boxes of, they will never and can't change. It's just that change and transformation for humans is often rather hard and difficult, and so, many, tend to put it off, until they can't or their bodies die.

Besides our own inner ego+body package baggage and it's combined trappings, we humans also have powerful dark forces arrayed against us who are actively trying to stop our collective transformation towards Love. And these are both in human and nonhuman form.

posted November 08, 2020 02:04 PM            

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Besides our own inner ego+body package baggage and it's combined trappings, we humans also have powerful dark forces arrayed against us who are actively trying to stop our collective transformation towards Love. And these are both in human and nonhuman form.

Guidance has shown me much about these terrestrial and cosmic forces, and it's no wonder why we can't seem to get our shite together collectively. We have some very, very, very clever, very manipulative, very practiced, and very psychopathic beings f'ing with us.

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posted November 08, 2020 03:10 PM            

I'm not trying to sound like making an assessment based on only several aspect. Like a coin has two side, I think every aspect and planet also have negative and positive polarity.

I'm just trying to look if those planet/aspect I am saying can be the source of what's going on.

I know Pluto aspect is very hard in a person to overcome, a lot of it bad because living in this world is hard to be always nice, not saying it's impossible, and people is not always nice to us.

posted November 08, 2020 03:47 PM            

Saturn is not always as positive or "mature" as people make it out to be. There are reasons why the ancients, for a very long time, viewed Saturn and Mars as "malefics".

Saturn has a dual role as the hard teacher and task master part of our Expanded/Higher self that is trying to get us to grow, but simultaneously, it also represents very slow vibratory and lacking in Love patterns i.e. it is also the ego, materialism, and selfishness temptation and adversary of "Satan" (which translates to as spiritual adversary).

As to how it plays out in a person's chart, depends on their chart, how strong Saturn is or isn't in a personal sense, etc. When I say Saturn, I don't mean Capricorn and Aquarius--different symbols, with different energies--not interchangeable. These Signs more often express the more "mature" level or symbolism of Saturn.

For example, in that woman that I mentioned who has Pisces Venus conjunct Pisces Saturn in her 7th, a big part of the symbolism for her is that she came in with major walls and defenses around her heart--especially in relation to men and closer relationships. It's part of the overall pattern that points to a near narcissistic attunement as well. And Planets are stronger than Signs often.

Edgar Cayce's nonphysical guidance had a very different take on Saturn than mainstream astrology. He said that Saturn represents the lower, temporal hell levels that psychopathic type Souls get attracted to post the death of their body. And that Saturn also represents a Soul becoming so cut off from Light, from Source, from Love, as to destroy itself through a kind of unconscious and unwanted consciousness entropy and chaos.

And not surprisingly, I often see Saturn as the predominant/strongest Planet in the charts of serial killers when the chart is accurate. But those are extreme cases. Your average predominant Saturnian (if other chart factors support it) is more likely to be your average narcissist, sociopath, or psychopath that is relatively high functioning and hidden within society. Sometimes QUITE liked and quite respected. Sometimes very high up in society. They are just very selfish, very materialistic jerks that really look down upon others, and don't tend to cause great harm to many. Others do so indirectly by being in politics and business that negatively affects many people.

posted November 08, 2020 05:43 PM            

Saturn: learn the lesson, or become a punisher.

Pluto: repetition of dark cycle, or cut the cord.

So, talking about transit, I just realize, the month they met:

- Neptune transit conjunct her venus and opposite his venus.
- Pluto transit conjunct both moon
- Saturn transit conjunct her moon

Do you think Neptune transit cause it? What would happen after Neptune moves?

The woman is an Aries sun and the man is a Leo sun. They also have mercury SQUARE mercury exact. Taurus/Pluto vs Leo mercury.

posted November 08, 2020 09:26 PM            

Not cause, but yes, Neptune could definitely be part of the pattern of reflecting and indicating this.

But can't ignore Pluto and Saturn as being those low vibratory, dark, temptation, manipulation, etc type energies I was referencing to earlier. Sounds like there is possibly a lot of major issues involved with their connection. Again, Saturn is often put too much on a pedestal in mainstream astrology as a positive and "mature" oriented symbol. Just not always the case by any means.