posted December 08, 2020 01:39 AM            

Say a Planet, or a person for that matter, is made up of 45% Yin and 55% Yang as an average expression/attunement, then yeah, you'll definitely see both within it/them. But in this case, it/they are polarized to the Yang.

Some of the Planets are very polarized to one over the other, such as Mars and Moon. Mars is almost all Yang, and Moon is almost all Yin. There isn't any confusion or complexity here because the polarization is so obvious. Mars may as well be 99% Yang and similar for Moon and Yin.

And that's a very interesting observation. The faster the vibratory rate of the consciousness, the more balanced, integrated, and eventually merged they become. You can clearly see this in various different things. You can see it in the evolutionary journey of the Zodiac. You can see it in the Planets. You can see it in people, etc.

posted December 08, 2020 02:11 AM            

I agree. I just pointed out few examples of how tricky to define Pluto can be.
Could it be that Pluto's expression depends on the nature of Mars itself (Mars as the base installation, if you look at the Pluto as an 2.0, and everything else as DLCs)? That would make the Pluto experience vary from chat to chart, right? Some feel it as strong Yang, some as Yang with a dash or more of Yin, etc. But, it's Yang.
I remembered reading that they go hand in hand. If one is triggered, the other responds automatically, and they're never observed separately (it was in some text on the laws of Karma - as in Mars creates, Pluto regulates Karma).

I'm Pluto dominant and I feel it as a very powerful Yang. Now, my overall energy is masculine, so it's possible that some other factors affect my perception.
My Pluto is in 5th house Scorpio and it aspects my Sun, Moon, AC/MC, Mercury, Venus, Neptune, Jupiter. Sun/Moon midpoint is at that degree of Pluto's exaltation. AC/MC point is on my natal Pluto... And I have Mars in Aries. I'm fearless, quick to act and too passionate when my interest is piqued. When not, I'll go into hiding which is understandable considering me being water dominant. My other half goes through different experience. He's 8th H everything (stellium) but Mars, fire dominant, with Pluto/Mars and Pluto on MC, Mars in Cancer. Pluto seeps through him. It's out. I expected if not the same then even stronger reactions than mine. Nope. He slows down. Measures two, three, five times. Cuts once. Then goes full force. His Pluto's (in Libra, that makes its contribution too) expression is still very much Yang, but more thoughtful and cautious than in my case, while I turn into fire.

I don't know.

It is my understanding that one graduates from this system (via the Sun aka the Higher/Expanded self symbolically), then often they move onto other greater and faster vibratory systems via the doorway Star we call Arcturus (most often--not only one). Some go out into greater systems and then come back for service purposes. Even these are .......at a preschool or kindergarten level in the grand scheme of things, and a slight majority of Souls incarnated here are at relatively immature levels of Love attunement and spiritual growth.

I got really interested in this topic 2-3 years ago, sometime after my father had a very onesided argument with a TV show. He pulled me out onto the balcony and pointed his finger at Vega - this is where we came from, child. Dramatic pause. What's interesting is that his Moon is exactly on Arcturus (same as my mother's), Venus on Antares, and he has an almost exact conjunction of his Sun's ruler and ASC ruler on Regulus. He might know something :D

How do deal with all that water? Marry an uber Taurus--Gemini combo type, eat all the time, and walk around barefoot outside a lot? J/K.

I did, I do, and I do - always. Galactic, how many eyes do you have? :D

I'm still trying to master that myself. More casual researchers sometimes look at my chart and they say, wow, you really lack Water since my only Planet in Water is Uranus in Scorpio. ..When I figure it out, I'll let you know. I'm building up my turtle shell, and when it's fully built, I'll offer a master class.

posted December 08, 2020 12:11 PM            

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What I mean is, could that be Pluto’s role? To take whatever energy it’s reacting with, and subject it to transformative levels of depth and pressure (emotional geology—what a concept!) in such a way as to dissolve some of the strong polarity of whatever it affects?
Sorry, this isn’t verbalizing well at 2 am.

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So essentially back to the catalyzing concept? Might relate, so will share. Have noticed that in people (rather souls) that are here and trying to grow, that Pluto often represents (among other things) an urge to purge that which hinders, while a strong will and self awareness to that which the entity needs to do/engage in (or not) to grow more.

Hence, for these, Pluto is about growth (there are some for which Pluto represents devolution). Growth is ultimately about greater and greater attunement to Love Consciousness (i.e. a conscious awareness of and concern with the Oneness of the Whole, and channeling through that awareness in thoughts, deeds, feelings, etc).

Love ultimately is that synthesizing, balancing, integrating, merging consciousness which eventually fully unites the "separated" or "polarized" inner Yin and Yang sides and melds them into one expression that is greater than the sum of the parts (i.e. 1+1 does NOT equal 2, but a balanced and greater 3 here).

Not saying that Pluto=Love, but rather that Pluto's job is to purge the consciousness of that which hinders from greater Love attunement/expression. In that sense as a catalyst and purifier, then yes, it does seem to accomplish that (what you talked about) in an indirect sense.

Boy, these things are mighty hard to express well in words. Maybe a more poetic and image based analogy might be helpful.

Picture a nuclear explosion for the Soul, where it doesn't kill the Soul, but blasts away all the accumulated gunk and stuck slow vibratory parts through a tremendous heat catalyzing effect--burning these parts up. The Soul steps out into the light, brighter, clearer, and more centered in Love.

Except that I like your earlier geological analogy better, because it's usually more of a build up of pressure and heat, more like a volcano, rather than a sudden/instant nuclear explosion.

Interestingly the negative side of Pluto can build up in this way too. Such as festering anger/resentment towards another that becomes more and more grudge holding and hate/spiteful until poisonous deeds are done. Plotting redrum, the Count of Monte Crisco actions, or the like.

posted December 08, 2020 12:54 PM            

Interesting musings. Could be. I definitely do see, feel, and sometimes experience the Yang side of Pluto. It kind of reminds me what I wrote about Kundalini earlier (which I see as very connected to Pluto):

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Kundalini doesn't have a specific frequency, tone, wavelength, color, etc itself. We first become aware of it in the sex glands and via the red, Mars like energy that resonates there BUT it is not exactly that energy, but more of amplifier and catalyst that first becomes stirred/awake from there.

It's kind of a very powerful, but raw, unorganized energy, that if directed well can lead to very positive, constructive effects, but if misdirected, can lead to destructive and hindering type effects.

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Because Kundalini starts off in that red, Mars like energy, and with an initial Yang explosive like force, there we can really see the Yang side of it; the initiating, active, filled with concentrated/directed energy side. But maybe once that reaction happens, things smooth out and in a sense, go calm, quiet, peaceful, balanced i.e. switching to the Yin more?

As to your own nature, yeah, I don't see you around much. And looks like you've been here for almost 3.5 years but haven't really posted much at all. Maybe you are actually Yin polarized, but with a passionate, fiery side?

Also don't know (in general/generally speaking).

Your dad sounds like an interesting person, and indeed, he just may know something. I figure most of us originally come here from another system, Galaxy, or the like at some point. But those coming fresh in from another system (like right before this life) definitely have some noticeable/different energy much of the time (have met a few here and there). Especially their eyes. Best described (often) as laser eyes but with kindness/empathy and soulfulness.

Oh, sorry, that was unconscious on my part. Wasn't trying to tune in specifically to you, but just thought I was hypothesizing about what sounded good for grounding for someone with a lot of water. Sounds like you're following your intuition there.

Cheers to the building. Btw, don't know why, but when you said Castles, it made me think of an old song by a Scorpio Sun musician--partly because it mentions castles, but it felt like something deeper than just that though: http://youtu.be/WdGoh6vib4Q

posted December 08, 2020 02:08 PM            

My personal energy of Pluto is in early Earth, Yang, 3rd orb. I see Pluto as duplicitous as Mercury is considered Loke to some. We are aware Hades is the 'like version' of Pluto. If Pluto was a changeling, we would see Pluto in anyone we may deem an adversary. Yin or Yang. I've been around both myself. Much like those Halloween costumes of the split. That painted costume lady/man ~ like

posted December 08, 2020 03:47 PM            

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Love that song — almost prefer the Annie Lennox cover, though. The chorus reminds me of an old Shaker hymn: “to turn, to turn, it will be our delight/ till by turning, turning, we come round right.”

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Hmm, don't think I've heard her cover yet.

posted December 08, 2020 03:52 PM            

But I imagine that if you got together 100 people with say Pluto conjunct their ASC, or in the 1st House with no other Planet there, if you could read their minds and Souls, there would be repeating themes, patterns, and similarities both within and without in these people. Course there would be some differences as well because of the rest of their charts and free/spiritual will factors.

Hence, I'm trying to look at the essence of Pluto as is i.e. that commonality between all those 100 people.

posted December 08, 2020 06:40 PM            

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Hmm, don't think I've heard her cover yet.

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posted December 08, 2020 08:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
wasn't solely going by that, only pointed that out as an additional factor

that being said most of what pluto represents is the darkest sides of yin, it's power is manipulative and under the surface not in your face or authoritative like mars or saturn

that's why i said "even" as in there's all these other factors + this one

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I second this. Pluto although controlling, is the rather manipulative type of controlling in a way that won't be obvious at the forefront. I see it as a rather perceptive and receptive planet. It sucks in energy. You get easily drained around Pluto people. Yang energy, if you don't want them around is cuz you're 'annoyed' by them, yin energy if you don't want them around is cuz they simply drain you. It's like smiling for photos for hours on end where your jaws hurt. You're not necessarily annoyed by it (well maybe that too lol) but rather the 'get it over with' kinda feeling.

Pluto is definitely too much. Think psychologists. (was dreaming of being a psychologist from the young age, but lemme tell you it's ex-treeemly draining which I only noticed later in life, I'll definitely forego that now) Pluto puts you in the deep end. It's 'hot sex', not 'passionate sex'.

Gambling is an obsessive 'sport' or whatever you wish to call it. Your mind, body and soul are engulfed. I think they use certain color lights, temperature and aroma so to give you an experience you want to keep on indulging in. I think if you focus for a sec you notice that you feel differently in such places. That's classic manipulation. They don't openly bribe you to continue playing. They give you that feeling that this is as good as life gets. They put you in a certain 'deep end' zone.

Also, I think the concept of 'transformation' is definitely rather yin. Think pregnancy, metamorphosis, the stages of how a butterfly comes to be... In order to change in general you need to go within.

Also, think of your last Pluto experience how you felt. It wasn't a feeling of 'conquering the world', was it? Rather your mind too preoccupied.

In order to figure out a technical issue, you can either simply try different methods till one hits the nail - which would be yang. Or can stop for a minute, think about the issue... figure out the workings of it (yin) and then come back to try your findings (yang again).

Crossing the t's and dotting the i's - definitely Pluto and definitely not yang.

posted December 08, 2020 08:42 PM            

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My experience of Pluto and Plutonians is that they can be both forceful and overtly controlling, and then also subtle/very manipulative/hidden. This is part of the reason why I have a hard time figuring out whether its innate nature is Yin or Yang polarized.

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I think you can kinda compare this to the Moon. In general it's yin, but when it's insecure it's like asking/begging for attention. It's still yin but kinda like a snap turtle I guess? Think Cancer. It's yin, but the 'cardinality' of it makes it feel yang sometimes.

posted December 08, 2020 10:33 PM            

I'll check it out Chanterelle.

posted December 09, 2020 12:08 AM            

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Thank you for the replies Brenda. I'll ponder on it some. For now, I feel all Pluto'd out.

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posted December 09, 2020 02:33 AM            

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Hi Seline, Interesting.. But maybe once that reaction happens, things smooth out and in a sense, go calm, quiet, peaceful, balanced i.e. switching to the Yin more?

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Thank you, I'm still musing The "weaker" Mars, the softer Pluto - weaker in strength compared to other planets in the chart, taking into consideration overall chart's energy too - is it more feminine or masculine. That was the idea.
My Mars comes right after my Pluto in strenght. Husband's Mars is weak, but that lack is compensated by his powerful Sun and Jupiter (his strongest and on par). I guess that's why he regulates Pluto just fine and it still feels like Yang. Father's Mars.. is his weakest planet, and he is Scorpio with Pluto ruling and aspecting (almost) his entire chart. I'll use Librapurr's description (it's perfect), when triggered he acts like a "jealous manipulative female". And his chart is stronger on feminine energy.

And I think you just solved it. Nevermind my musings.

You're right about Kundalini and Pluto. Mars rules root chakra where Kundalini "sleeps". We know Mars as primal, raw instinct for survival. But, it's not intelligent/conscious. Kundalini awakes the moment Mars becomes conscious (remember my second post? how I described Pluto?). I checked few things (asked friend for help) and in karmic astrology Pluto (as the symbol of the evolutionary development of the soul/ constant transforming energy) is considered the true astrological equivalent of Kundalini energy. And Kundalini is female... So.. Yin.

Maybe I'm reading the energy completely wrong. Or my Pluto needs some serious maintance.

As to your own nature, yeah, I don't see you around muc..
I would be here more often if my day wasn't so packed. I'm always going somewhere or doing something. Even now.
But, it's possible. Looking at my chart, I should be. I have to put up strong front for various reasons.

...But those coming fresh in from another system (like right before this life) definitely have..
Yup, I know the eyes. I attract those people, most often in time of need/great urgency. With some I'm still in contact, the ones I'm not with I miss terribly.
My husband has those eyes. I don’t know how common that is, but my family has two hereditary fixed stars, Sirius and Regulus. Either both are active at the same time or just one. If we have one, then the spouse or the child has the other. That's the case with my parents, their parents, my sibling, cousins, me. I have Moon on Sirius, husband has Sun on Regulus. Even my pet has one

Oh, sorry, that was unconscious on my part. Wasn't trying..
It's ok. This often happens to people whose 12th house I invade. I think I'm in your 12th? No?

posted December 09, 2020 02:53 PM            

It all seems to depend on whether or not Kundalini is allowed to do what it ideally can do, reach to the Pineal gland and spill over into the "golden cup" of the Pituitary. I think that's when the balance and equalization process happens. I've noticed this after very deep, expanded, and Love attuned meditations. I just feel so peaceful, calm, and very balanced/whole but also more powerful in away. Would call it a balanced/merged state between Yin and Yang.

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I would be here more often if my day wasn't so packed. I'm always going somewhere or doing something. Even now.

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Ok, the above does argue for at least a slight Yang polarization as Yang in its very nature is active, and it sounds like you're quite active, especially in a physical way. And that your husband is a bit Yin polarized also argues for that--as I've noticed in close couples, one partner is usually at least a bit Yin polarized while the other is usually at least a bit Yang polarized. My partner and I are like y'all. I'm the Yin polarized and she is the Yang polarized, but only slightly. We're both rather balanced and nearly androgynous.

It's heartening to know that someone else out there knows about the eyes and the ET Soul thing. I've brought it up to folks before, and most just look at me. I seem to have some kind of connection to Sirius, not astrologically but I don't know exactly what. Also to Arcturus (more astrologically and I'm more conscious of the connection). These connections astrologically are best figured out with Parans or so I've been told/read. Its because Stars don't align with our Solar plane ecliptic which is what we use our regular, more "2D" aspects for. Parans are more like the necessary 3D aspects for objects off the ecliptic. I'm not very visual oriented, so have a hard time explaining it.

Possibly (12th House connection)? My 12th is most active from around 13 degrees Cancer to around 8 degrees Leo or so.

You're welcome, yeah, I rather like that song as well.

posted December 13, 2020 09:25 PM            

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Hi Seline,

It all seems to depend on whether or not Kundalini is allowed to do what it ideally can do, reach to the Pineal gland and spill over into the "golden cup" of the Pituitary. I think that's when the balance and equalization process happens. I've noticed this after very deep, expanded, and Love attuned meditations. I just feel so p........n)? My 12th is most active from around 13 degrees Cancer to around 8 degrees Leo or so. You're welcome, yeah, I rather like that song as well.

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Oh, I find parans eerily accurate. I had an indepth reading done few years ago and can confirm they're doing their job exactly as described.
As for my connections, most parans are with Orion and Pegasus constellation. But, I was told that my most important star is Mirach.

posted December 14, 2020 01:06 AM            

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Oh, I find parans eerily accurate. I had an indepth reading done few years ago and can confirm they're doing their job exactly as described.
As for my connections, most parans are with Orion and Pegasus constellation. But, I was told that my most important star is Mirach.

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Infamous Orion eh? I'm sure you've heard about the connection/alignments between some of the major Orion Stars and the Giza Plateau pyramids? The dating for same correspond to Edgar Cayce's date for the building of the Great Pyramid. Said it was started in 10, 590 B.C. and finished about 10, 490 B.C. if I remember correctly.

Don't know much about the other Star you mentioned.

As far self, Betelgeuse comes up strongly, and there was an Arcturus-IC paran aspect, part of my roots.

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Yup, you're invaded.

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Ah **** . Leo Rising yells out to the 12th House area, "Hey, hey folks, she's invaded and about to lay siege! Fortify your Walls now!"

12th House calls back, "Walls? We're the 12th House, we ain't got no mother loving Walls silly... We can invite her in to our area of mirrors everywhere and confuse the shite out of her, if you want? Maybe also throw a pink elephant or two in there with her?" Leo Rising grumbles, "oh never mind."

posted December 14, 2020 01:12 AM            

Yeah, yeah, terrible joke I know, only 3 stars at best...

posted December 15, 2020 02:07 AM            

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Infamous Orion eh? I'm sure you've heard about the connection/alignments between some of the major Orion Stars and the Giza Plateau pyramids? The dating for same correspond to Edgar Cayce's date for the building of the Great Pyramid. Said it was started in 10, 590 B.C. and finished about 10, 490 B.C. if I remember correctly.
Don't know much about the other Star you mentioned.
As far self, Betelgeuse comes up strongly, and there was an Arcturus-IC paran aspect, part of my roots.

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Sure I used to read a lot about Egypt as a child (I had my own excavation kit and fedora), and was lucky enough to visit it (Alexandria, Cairo, Aswan and Luxor....without my excavation kit and fedora).
Isn't that too old for the Great Pyramid? I know it's surroundings are much much more older (5000+), while the Pyramid was aged only by few hundreds years after carbon dating? Unless it was built on existing foundations?

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Ah **** . Leo Rising yells out to the 12th House area, "Hey, hey folks, she's invaded and about to lay siege! Fortify your Walls now!"
12th House calls back, "Walls? We're the 12th House, we ain't got no mother loving Walls silly... We can invite her in to our area of mirrors everywhere and confuse the shite out of her, if you want? Maybe also throw a pink elephant or two in there with her?" Leo Rising grumbles, "oh never mind."

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Hah! It seems that pink elephants are Capricorn's standard emergency kit. Would you consider Care Bears as advanced mastery?

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Hey have you heard the one about Orion's Belt being a big waist of space?
Yeah, yeah, terrible joke I know, only 3 stars at best...
(Ah dad jokes...and somehow we went from focusing on Pluto, to becoming attuned to Jupiter. And the Virgo and Mercury in me wants to say, "Ah, technically, Orion's Belt contains more than 3 Stars." And then the Capricorn, Pluto, and Scorpio in me says, "yes, why ARE you spreading this misinformation about the Cosmos? Did the psychopathic plutocrats via the CIA or NSA pay you some money? What is really going on here?"And then the 7th House Pisces South Node smiles benevolently with a far away look, says no word, but just starts to chant "Ahhh OhhhMmmmmm" [but when you're not looking, takes a puff on a hidden dooby--explains the far away look..]).

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posted December 15, 2020 03:35 PM            

In general, mainstream Egyptology is one of the least holistically logical "sciences" out there imo (and many other alternative researchers seem to agree). For example, taking Herodotus's word on how long it took to the build the G.P. Now, even if we use the mainstream age, it was still ancient in Herodutus's time, which should make us skeptical just right off the bat even though he was a historian.

For example, he said it took 20 years to build (some say it was around 40, neither really fits well). The G.P. contains between 2.1 to 2.3 million, individual blocks (I say 2.1 million to account for the new void area found). Just the time alone to place the blocks--not considering cutting or pouring/drying/setting, and then transportation of some of the stone like the granite's that come from some 500 miles away, really invalidates that time it took to build. If you do the basic maths on it, using reasonable work force, reasonable shifts, seasonal factors, it would work out to some ridiculous little amount of time to JUST PLACE ONE BLOCK to have gotten it done within that time. It strains all logic and credibility. And yet, that is what mainstream Egyptology not only accepts, but promotes.

Interestingly, even with Cayce saying that the builders used advanced Atlantean tech, his source's 100 years is MUCH more believable than mainstream Egyptology. This was a simply massive project. A Japanese team back in the 70's trying to build a much smaller scaled model, using heavy machinery, etc, failed miserably and gave up.

We don't know if the Sphinx and G.P. are of a similar age or not, but mainstream Egyptology indicates that they likely are. Hmmm. Dr. Robert Schoch is a long time geology professor from Boston University who received his M.S. and PhD from Yale University, who after examining the Sphinx and the rain weathering patterns on same, says that the Sphinx must be at least 9, 000 or so years old (he's been revising that approximation over time, so am not sure that is the most current/accurate one) due to the rain and flooding weathering on it.

Because that area hasn't had a temperate, more wet climate until that many years ago.

Though it's not talked about by mainstream Egyptologists, it's a verifiable fact that Khufu, the supposed builder of the Great Pyramid (he's not, but that's a long discussion), talks about how the Sphinx was already around in his times, and also that it his people had recorded that in antiquity it experienced a massive lightning bolt (or what sounds like one) and experienced damage.

So you see, things may be a little more complex than they appear on the surface. Its possible that outright hiding and/or manipulation of data is a possibility as well. Cayce did occasionally make some errors here and there. However, these were always "one offs". Whenever his source spoke about a topic more than once, and if they repeated that same information, you can pretty much take it to the bank, as being accurate. And his source spoke A LOT about this ancient, pre history Egyptian cycle. History wise, it was one of the single strongest focuses of this work. And we (my partner and I) have received guidance messages confirming some of that general information--such as Hermes/Thoth and Ra Ta did exist and worked together, etc.