posted December 04, 2020 02:44 PM            

Sun very slightly Yang polarized, Mercury only truly neutral one (not perfectly balanced/integrated but a different state-hard to explain), Moon very Yin polarized, Venus moderately Yin polarized, Mars very Yang polarized, Jupiter slightly Yang polarized, Saturn rather Yang polarized, Uranus--odd--slightly Yin polarized when it's not going from one extreme of very Yang polarized flipping to very Yin polarized (and back and forth), and Neptune slightly Yin polarized.

But for some reason, Pluto is kind of hard to figure out. I think I lean to it being slightly Yin polarized, but then at other times I think it's more Yang. It sort of feels like Uranus in a way in that it changes, but it also feels different than Uranus--not so sudden and/or back and forth. Maybe a slow transformation from Yang to Yin process? Pluto in the more Yang state, the more controlling expression/attunement, and when it gets to the Yin it can finally become more, "Let go and let Source"?

posted December 05, 2020 02:21 AM            

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Yang---fear, self-mastery.

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Thank you for the feedback. What do you feel about the specific question of?

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Maybe a slow transformation from Yang to Yin process? Pluto in the more Yang state, the more controlling expression/attunement, and when it gets to the Yin it can finally become more, "Let go and let Source"?

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Do you think this could be related to the "transformational process" that Pluto often or can symbolize? I've noticed that Plutonians (and by that, I most often mean those with it conjunct their ASC or in their 1st House closest to the ASC, or to a slightly lesser extent those with it closely conjunct the faster moving Chart ruler), can often be very control oriented (which I see overall as more Yang), but I've also observed that some of them go through a total breakdown and then transformation process, and after they seem to become not "passive" per se, but definitely more "live and let live" and more "Let go and let Source".

I've always kind of viewed Pluto as more of a "process" than any of hte other Planetary symbols. A lot of the other symbols seem to relate to a "set" kind of energy in a sense. And, I've long connected Pluto to the energy commonly called Kundalini, for some reason.

Kundalini starts off as very connected to the sexual centers and to the red, Mars like energy, but IF it's raised up to the higher, and faster vibratory glandular centers--especially the Pineal and then spilling over to the Pituitary--it becomes something entirely different and can catalyze the conversion to the "Light body" process powerfully.

Any related thoughts or intuitions?

posted December 05, 2020 02:43 AM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
I think Pluto is yin because it rules death in the physical body which is unwanted and depressing.

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Thank you for the feedback. I have found that both Saturn and Pluto correspond to death. Saturn to actual physical death, and Pluto more to metaphorical death i.e. death of the ego or conversely, death of the Light in the human form. (i.e. a human going/breaking bad).

I'll give an example. I have Moon conjunct Saturn, where Saturn co-rules my DESC and co-rules the Sign that my Venus is in, which happens to rule my Moon (Libra). Anyways, my Mom died when I was somewhat young. I see that as most connected to the Moon-Saturn conjunction. It was a difficult experience as we were very close and even shared the same b-day.

It's possible that having Scorpio IC with Scorpio Uranus in the 4th also relates to it.

Edgar Cayce's guidance linked Saturn to death in an interesting way. His source outlined that when Souls become essentially what we call overly psychopathic i.e. extremely separative, extremely selfish and destructive, they can destroy and kill their own Soul individuality through a kind of Consciousness entropy/chaos process.

One could think of it as "unraveling" one's own sweater, if the sweater represents the coherency and structure of our vibrational patterns which makes us, us i.e. a unique, freewilled, self aware consciousness. The "energy" itself doesn't go anywhere, but just dissolves back into a general soup of raw, unorganized consciousness to get recycled.

Anyways, this is what E.C.'s guidance linked to Saturn as a nonphysical dimensional experience and process. Calling it the death of the Soul, and also saying things more specifically like "Saturn, that to which all insufficient matter is cast for the remolding".

People with powerful Saturn highlighted in their current charts and "Life readings", often were noted as having some powerful tendencies towards a lack of love of others, a strong selfishness, a strong materialism, a desire for constant change and dissatisfaction with what they have ("Saturn makes for entity having many homes, many partners" etc was fairly common type outline), and a tendency to go through cycles of sudden, major change of a testing nature, seemingly out of the blue.

Of course, Saturn could be counter balanced by other symbols like Venus, Neptune, Jupiter, and/or the Sun, if one or especially more of these were also highlighted at the same time, then the person was not that negative but more of a mixed bag that just had some strong karmic lessons to work on in this life and went through some intense testing/challenge.

Predominant Saturnians on the other hand, i.e. those coming in direct from Saturn were sometimes indicated to be sort of "special" in a not so good way. There is one reading from a military man, where very unusually, the individual is fairly blasted by the guidance after they tell him about his unusually magnetic presence/affect on others, but then blasts them for their selfishness, lack of concern/care for others, their strong materialism, separativeness, etc. Basically it sounds like they were likely a sociopath or psychopath and Guidance was not playing around in warning them to correct their ways. (Reminds me of Yeshua's words to the corrupt, self serving, manipulative Pharisees et al. whom he blasted and called things like, "You Vipers! How will you escape the judgement of Gehenna"

Well, anyways, back to Pluto. Dang it, I'm derailing my own thread.

posted December 06, 2020 11:07 AM            

When it comes to the signs themselves, yin are water and earth signs and yang are fire and air signs.
Aquarius is an exception (again), it's classified as yang but in its peak of expression it's pure yin.
So, the planet's polarity is firstly modified by the sign and then the other aspects.

posted December 06, 2020 04:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Seline:
Pluto is yang, as the higher octave of Mars.
Yang planets are the Sun (some say the Sun is neutral, I think Magi), Mars, Jupiter, Saturn (although Saturn is said to be deceptive, hides it's true nature), and Pluto.
Yin are Moon, Venus and Neptune (as the higher octave of Venus).
Mercury is androgynous and it depends on the sign, as well as Uranus as the higher octave of Mercury.

When it comes to the signs themselves, yin are water and earth signs and yang are fire and air signs.
Aquarius is an exception (again), it's classified as yang but in its peak of expression it's pure yin.
So, the planet's polarity is firstly modified by the sign and then the other aspects.

About Saturn and Pluto, they are involved with death but the one actualy in charge of it is Jupiter (God, releasing the soul). Saturn, Mars, Pluto and Neptune are its four horsemen

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Thank you for the excellent feedback. Let's dig a bit deeper. If we go with the connections of Pluto and Mars, well very Yang Mars solely rules the very Yang Sign of Aries. But Scorpio is a Yin polarized Sign that is co-ruled by very Yang Mars. Is it not possible that Pluto is part of "adding" the Yinness to Scorpio?

On a side note, I see Sun as almost perfectly balanced/integrated, but slightly tipped to the Yang. It's true nature is very different than Leo (a fairly Yang polarized energy). Or to put it another way, Golden Light (Sun) in an aura/energetic sense, is not far from the pure Clear/White Light of Source and pure Love.

That latter Consciousness is perfectly merged/integrated/balanced between Yin and Yang. It's why various consciousness explorers, mystics, psychics, etc when they mention having experiences with very, very evolved consciousnesses (some that emanate white light), it's not uncommon that they get an impression that the individual in question is perfectly balanced and merged between these.

For some examples, Robert A. Monroe and his account (in "Ultimate Journeys") of "He/She", and Rosalind A. McKnight's account (in "Cosmic Journeys") of meeting an ET leader of a very, very evolved group who used the temporary name "Zomar" and that not only energetically was it perfectly balanced/integrated between Yin/Feminine and Yang/Masculine, but even it's body form expressed that (i.e. it was neither male nor female in body).

Uranus btw, really jumps around as that is part of the extremist nature of Uranus. But, when still and not polarizing, it appears to be more Yin in attunement. E.C.'s guidance often called Uranus that of the "psychic" and "intuitive".

To be in a psychically and intuitive state, you have to be temporarily a bit polarized to the Yin/Feminine side of consciousness because that is the side of us which is sensing, feeling, connective, receptive, and listening. You'll note that all very psychic/intuitive people have powerful Yin energies in their chart. If they are good "senders" or good at manipulating energy, then they also will have strong Yang too, but psychically intuiting information etc is Yin in its essence.

You'll note that women tend to be more actively psychic and intuitive then men.

Meditation, a more Yin polarized activity usually, is an excellent practice for developing things like intuition, psychism, etc.

posted December 06, 2020 04:18 PM            

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Originally posted by diamondbaby:
I think Pluto is yin.

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Thank you for the feedback. Curious as to why you think that though?

To me, when I tune into Pluto, I feel a combo of both Water (very Yin) and Fire (very Yang) energy. But am not sure which tends to predominate.

posted December 06, 2020 04:42 PM            

its strength isnt even in your face in the same way say saturn is

posted December 06, 2020 04:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
pluto is heavily yin, even its rulership over scorpio indicates as much

its strength isnt even in your face in the same way say saturn is

edit: you only have to go as far as reading examples of yin energy to see how pluto fits 🤷‍♀️

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Not so sure we can just go by rulerships alone. For example, Libra, a Yang Sign is ruled by Venus, a moderately Yin Planet.

Capricorn a Yin Sign is ruled by a Yang Planet, Saturn, (though I happen to see Uranus as being a co-ruler of Capricorn).

An interesting thing happens in the evolution of the Zodiac from Aries to Pisces. The first half of the Signs are either rather Yang or rather Yin. But when we get to Libra, the "start" of the "2nd half", things start mixing it up a bit more, the energies become more balanced, integrated. My contention is that the Pisces-Aquarius or Aquarius-Pisces cusp area of the Zodiac is the most balanced, integrated, and merged area of the entire Zodiac. That's because both Aquarius and Pisces individually are fairly balanced/integrated, and then with the cusp, you get a combo of the slight Yin polarization mixing with the slight Yang polarization to get a particularly integrated balance.

In any case, got to dig deeper.

posted December 06, 2020 05:04 PM            

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Not so sure we can just go by rulerships alone. For example, Libra, a Yang Sign is ruled by Venus, a moderately Yin Planet.

Capricorn a Yin Sign is ruled by a Yang Planet, Saturn, (though I happen to see Uranus as being a co-ruler of Capricorn).

An interesting thing happens in the evolution of the Zodiac from Aries to Pisces. The first half of the Signs are either rather Yang or rather Yin. But when we get to Libra, the "start" of the "2nd half", things start mixing it up a bit more, the energies become more balanced, integrated. My contention is that the Pisces-Aquarius or Aquarius-Pisces cusp area of the Zodiac is the most balanced, integrated, and merged area of the entire Zodiac. That's because both Aquarius and Pisces individually are fairly balanced/integrated, and then with the cusp, you get a combo of the slight Yin polarization mixing with the slight Yang polarization to get a particularly integrated balance.

In any case, got to dig deeper.

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wasn't solely going by that, only pointed that out as an additional factor

that being said most of what pluto represents is the darkest sides of yin, it's power is manipulative and under the surface not in your face or authoritative like mars or saturn

posted December 06, 2020 05:30 PM            

One of the astro patterns in my chart that correlates with having had a sociopathic father figure (step father) is Sun, ruler of the 1st in Cap square Pluto ruler of the IC.

Interestingly, while I don't know my step father's exact chart because two different years came up for him, in both years, both had Leo Sun conjunct Pluto.

While he could be deceptive and manipulative in a hidden manner, much about him was overt force. Obviously in his case, Leo strongly contributes to that. But looking at my own chart, then it's less of a factor since Sun is in Cap square ostensibly a Yin polarized Planet in a moderately to slightly Yang Sign (Libra) i.e. the Yin would "win out" in such a combo if Pluto was Yin polarized as the Sun stands as a neutral and receptive symbol here.

I'm really leaning to the first proposition, that unevolved Pluto starts off Yang polarized (and very controlling/directive), but if it goes through spiritual transformation, it becomes more Yin polarized (i.e. live and let live and let go and let Source) but balanced with the Yang (knowing when to act, nudge, etc when helpful and not when it's not).

My step father was very clearly a strong example of the unevolved and destructive type Pluto. I've seen some of that destructive Plutonian energy in self here and there at times, too much of a forceful trying to convert others perceptions and beliefs to what I see as correct.

Sometimes I have to take a deliberate step back when I realize that I'm doing this.

This is not to say that there are not times and situations wherein this is helpful or even necessary. If it wasn't, then Yeshua for example, never would have become a teacher type with going out there, spreading his messages, telling people left and right they were off, what was true, etc.

Difference being is that he had transmuted almost all his ego into Love, and I haven't, thus I need to watch for when self is truly coming from a place of Love or a place of lack such as in ego.

Dang it Pluto, why can't you be simpler and more one dimensional.

posted December 06, 2020 06:34 PM            

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My relationship with Pluto...The one that asks from me to work more and more each day. So, I remember some time ago Pluto used to be very Yang. Then at some time this very Pluto became Yin. Yes, at that time it was a transformation.

If you ask me now, I will tell you that it is not just a transformation. It is a revelation. That Pluto is not only Yang. It can become Yin too.

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Interesting but rather general and vague. Do you have any specific examples? Do you have your chart up somewhere? How is Pluto strong in your chart besides the parallel of Moon and Pluto?

Transformation/revelation is a continuing growth process. It doesn't stop until one exists in the Light body so called. (Actually, it doesn't really stop then either, but just goes beyond human understanding/comprehension and relatability, and much begins to focus on co-creativity rather than lessons or remembrance.)

posted December 06, 2020 06:37 PM            

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I have never been to the destructive Plutonian energy territory, even when my Pluto was exerting only its Yang energy.

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The destructiveness of Pluto, or any Planet for that matter, exists on a spectrum. Anytime we are not acting/living/being/choosing from a place of Love, there is some distortion and some destruction type effect.

It's just that if we are only slightly off the spectrum of Love, it will be very mild, subtle, and not particularly destructive or harmful.

But only a Yeshua and "He/She" type lives in a way that avoids all destruction, harm, etc all the time.

Hence, its far more likely you just didn't see where and how you were being destructive or harmful in relation to self or others. What we call "ego" often filters out our perception of same in relation to ourselves. That's part of the "job" of ego. To filter out that which is uncomfortable and unpleasant to self and self's image/belief/perception of itself.

posted December 06, 2020 06:43 PM            

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Yang---fear, self-mastery.

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Wanted to add, that I don't think that fear has an innate Yin or Yang component to it per se.

For example, take Saturn and Moon. Saturn is very Yang polarized and has strong tendencies to fear and worry.

Moon is very Yin polarized and has moderate tendencies to fear and worry. I often see strong Moon in connection with peoples' auras as gray colors which also corresponds to fear and worry. Not a super intense level of same, but more of a lower level, but chronic version.

posted December 07, 2020 12:41 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Thank you for the excellent feedback. Let's dig a bit deeper. If we go with the connections of Pluto and Mars, well very Yang Mars solely rules the very Yang Sign of Aries. But Scorpio is a Yin polarized Sign that is co-ruled by very Yang Mars. Is it not possible that Pluto is part of "adding" the Yinness to Scorpio?

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Most sources (at least the ones I stumbled upon) describe Pluto as Mars that has gained its conciousness. If Mars is a series of fast and erratic stabs, Pluto is one deep and well-calculated stab. That would make it the stongest, most powerfull Yang (Pluto represents nuclear energy, if I'm not mistaken).
Other list Pluto as Yin planet, the embodiment of "primordial female energy coming deep from Earth's core" or the Dark Mother.
3rd degree of Scorpio is the degree of Pluto's exaltation and of Moon's fall (so, yeah...Nega-Mama). It's also known as singularity point where past, current and future life converge - the point of death and rebirth. Does this make Pluto Yin or Yang? Or both?
If the purpose of the sign is defined by its 10th house, for Scorpio that would be Leo. So, the purpose wouldn't be just staring at the river Styx but creating children/life/catching Leo's light. Again, is it Yin or Yang quality?

Personally, I would not assign anything to it (although it looks like it's 50-50), just as I would not assign it to Neptune and Uranus. They are something else.
It seems that Pluto acts as (covert) Yang. That’s how it’s most often described.

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I'll check it. Sounds interesting.

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Uranus btw, really jumps around as that is part of the extremist nature of Uranus. But, when still and not polarizing, it appears to be more Yin in attunement. E.C.'s guidance often called Uranus that of the "psychic" and "intuitive".

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I'll try to find a text that describes very well the nature of Uranus and Aquarius itself and why Aquarius is governed by (best approached through) the female principle. It could be interesting read. You're right.

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To be in a psychically and intuitive state, you have to be temporarily a bit polarized to the Yin/Feminine side of consciousness because that is the side of us which is sensing, feeling, connective, receptive, and listening. You'll note that all very psychic/intuitive people have powerful Yin energies in their chart. If they are good "senders" or good at manipulating energy, then they also will have strong Yang too, but psychically intuiting information etc is Yin in its essence.

You'll note that women tend to be more actively psychic and intuitive then men.

Meditation, a more Yin polarized activity usually, is an excellent practice for developing things like intuition, psychism, etc.

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My chart is 60% water. How do I shut down? :D

posted December 07, 2020 12:47 AM            

I agree that it can seem to flip in practice. That fits with the mythology, Pluto hidden away in the underworld, but when impassioned with what he wanted was quite bold and rapacious.

posted December 07, 2020 03:10 AM            

It is my understanding that one graduates from this system (via the Sun aka the Higher/Expanded self symbolically), then often they move onto other greater and faster vibratory systems via the doorway Star we call Arcturus (most often--not only one). Some go out into greater systems and then come back for service purposes. Even these are not at complete spiritual perfection, and EVEN IF they were on a Soul level, if they connect to a human body again--well the body has limitations and distortions built in.

This is why guidance has told me that if a Soul wants to express full Liberation/enLightenment in the physical as part of the human system, they must let their body die and either be re-created from a very fast vibratory nonphysical consciousness state, or the body they had had, so imbued with fast vibratory consciousness that it explodes/implodes into a Light form.

This process for Yeshua is what created the image on the Shroud of Turin imo. Anyways, all this to say, Pluto is but a stepping stone to full enLightenment in the grand scheme of things. Currently, Earth is considered about at a preschool or kindergarten level in the grand scheme of things, and a slight majority of Souls incarnated here are at relatively immature levels of Love attunement and spiritual growth.

How do deal with all that water? Marry an uber Taurus--Gemini combo type, eat all the time, and walk around barefoot outside a lot? J/K.

I'm still trying to master that myself. More casual researchers sometimes look at my chart and they say, wow, you really lack Water since my only Planet in Water is Uranus in Scorpio. Nah, they just don't see deep and holistic enough. I come from a very Water past. The most strong past oriented symbols of the chart are Moon, IC/4th House, and South Node. In this chart, Moon rules the 12th House and is conjunct the ruler of my Sun and Mercury Signs and co-ruler of my Venus and DESC. That means that both Lunar and 12th House energies are strongly merging in (conjunction) with the underlying energies of my Sun and Mercury Sign (Capricorn, which the more ancient symbol of, is the Goat-Fish anyways) etc. Then the ruler of the Moon Sign, Venus, is sextile Neptune within a couple handful of minutes.

Then Saturn is widely square Neptune. Then Angular Pisces South Node. Then Scorpio IC with the faster moving ruler of same, conjunct Jupiter and widely square Neptune, and then the modern ruler of same, Pluto is very closely sextile Neptune (the combo of which gives a more Piscean type attunement/vibe). Then to add to that in a general sense, Neptune is quite strong.

In truth, this is A LOT of Water being brought over from the past, and I feel like the reason I was born with such strong Earth in the present and future symbols i.e. Sun, MC, North Node, etc is because I'm trying to ground, make practical, and balance these in this life.

But I came in a hyper empath to the point that when I was little, I was completely wide open and could FEEL everything, and it was a very heavy and uncomfortable experience. (Interestingly, my guidance has used, via dream state, both dolphin and turtle symbolism to describe the deeper parts of me).

posted December 07, 2020 12:08 PM            

kat-, from kata "down, downward, down from, down to," from PIE *kmt- "down, with, along" (source also of Hittite kattan (adv.) "below, underneath," katta "along with"). http://www.etymonline.com/word/cata-

Definitions of catalyst from WordNet
catalyst (n.)
(chemistry) a substance that initiates or accelerates a chemical reaction without itself being affected;
Synonyms: accelerator
catalyst (n.)
something that causes an important event to happen

catharsis (n.)
1770, "a bodily purging" (especially of the bowels), from Latinized form of Greek katharsis "purging, cleansing," from stem of kathairein "to purify, purge," from katharos "pure, clear of dirt, clean, spotless; open, free; clear of shame or guilt; purified" (with most of the extended senses now found in Modern English clear, clean, pure), which is of unknown origin.

posted December 07, 2020 02:56 PM            

Hmmm, catalyst could definitely fit. Reminds me a bit of Kundalini. Kundalini doesn't have a specific frequency, tone, wavelength, color, etc itself. We first become aware of it in the sex glands and via the red, Mars like energy that resonates there BUT it is not exactly that energy, but more of amplifier and catalyst that first becomes stirred/awake from there.

It's kind of a very powerful, but raw, unorganized energy, that if directed well can lead to very positive, constructive effects, but if misdirected, can lead to destructive and hindering type effects.

Many a guru type, many an unwise/unaware Kundalini practitioner, has overly stimulated this energy before their time and experienced issues because of it. Often, there are blocks at the heart level, and so the Kundalini is not allowed to fully rise to the Pineal to spill over into the Pituitary (the ideal), but rather sits and cycles at the first 3 centers.

When that happens, it can turn a relatively normal and decent person into a raging narcissist, near sociopathic type person, because it so amplifies these slower vibratory, very materially focused centers. Ego increases, sex drive increases, desire for control increases, desire for wealth and power accumulation increases, personality charisma/magnetism increases.

And we can see these kind of extremes in Plutonians, both in the positive and in the destructive senses. When Pluto is paired with strong/highlighted symbols like Arcturus, Sun, Jupiter, and/or Neptune it tends to lead to an amplification of the positive and constructive.

When paired with very strong Mars, Saturn, Moon, and/or Mercury, it often leads to slow vibratory and ego oriented expressions and attunements.