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GalacticCoreExplosion
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posted December 09, 2020 11:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Librapurr:
I think it’s unfair when Pluto gets labeled as only negative. It has power. Without Pluto, I’d be always a miserable co-depend people pleaser with all my Libra and Virgo.

I agree. It can be used constructively or destructively. I would say on average though, that I see it used more destructively than constructively.

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Kannon McAfee
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posted December 09, 2020 11:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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GalacticCoreExplosion:

In your chart, how is the Sun stronger than Pluto?


Sun is strongest of the 7 traditional planets in my chart using Vedic/traditional Indian Shadbala composite rating system. So Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto are not included. So I should have qualified that.

Ry Redd's research showed that the Shadbala ratings closely correlated to E. Cayce's statements about what planetary spheres of consciousness were most visited/developed for many querants. Shadbala is a complex rating system with many categories of evaluation (not merely sign/house, angularity). It's not perfect, but I think it is more reliable at showing the nature of consciousness development in a person's actual soul history. http://www.dirah.org/shadbala.htm

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posted December 10, 2020 01:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Sun is strongest of the 7 traditional planets in my chart using Vedic/traditional Indian Shadbala composite rating system. So Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto are not included. So I should have qualified that.

Ry Redd's research showed that the Shadbala ratings closely correlated to E. Cayce's statements about what planetary spheres of consciousness were most visited/developed for many querants. Shadbala is a complex rating system with many categories of evaluation (not merely sign/house, angularity). It's not perfect, but I think it is more reliable at showing the nature of consciousness development in a person's actual soul history. http://www.dirah.org/shadbala.htm


Interesting, thank you for sharing. I haven't looked into that system. Regarding the second part, that would seem to be very hard to determine because of the potential difference between the spiritual and physical birth times.

Cayce only mentioned the spiritual birth times in a smallish percentage of readings, and even then, sometimes mentioned it in a more vague/general way, like for example they might have said something like, the physical birth time was in the morning but the spiritual birth time was in the afternoon.

Without a very accurate data set, how could one determine if this or any system was applicable, accurate, or the like?

I have personally noticed that when the charts are relatively accurate (i.e. at least the correct Rising Sign), the Planet that represents the dimension we came into earth from, is usually the Planet closest to the ASC or to the MC. And whatever Planet that represents that, is going to tend to be strongest in the person's psyche. I've seen so many, many examples of that when the chart is relatively accurate. I have multiple friends/acquaintances who are Venusians, some who are Mercurians, a few Uranians, a couple Jupitarians.

Something I have noticed as potentially pertinent, which a lot of astrologers don't seem to mention, are closest approaches to Earth.

For example, the Sun feels stronger in my chart/psyche than it appears to be in my chart. I think one of the reasons for that is because I was born relatively near Solar Perihelion wherein the Earth is closest to the Sun in its yearly orbit around same.

But I'm not completely sure whether the Sun or Jupiter is my strongest Planet. I did not come in from this Solar system's related dimensional set/system anyways. Came from outside the 7 dimensions here (including a plus one of the Arcturian 8th dimension). Anyways, Jupiter is in the 1st and closest Planet to the ASC (and with some strong aspects), but Sun is partially in the 5th, near Solar Perihelion, and has the most aspects by far of any Planet/symbol in the chart. While also being the Chart ruler, it makes major aspects to all the Planets except Venus and Moon, which are otherwise strongly to moderately highlighted.

Have always been extremely universal in nature. When a child, I used to have this weird feeling/notion that I wanted to be friends with and know everyone on the earth. Mind you, I was shy and introverted, so it wasn't an extroverted type thing--it was just this overwhelming feeling of connection/Love of others and universality.

Earlier in life, aura sensitives mostly noted predominant purple (combo of strong Jupiter, strong Neptune, moderate Pluto and Mars, and Angular Pisces South Node) and to a lesser extent deeper blues (combo of strong Venus, Uranus, Capricorn, and Aquarius) in my aura, but in the last 7 years or so, dream guidance has mentioned golden (Sun) and had a very intense dream about meditating outside while looking at the sun and merging with it as I went deeper within during the meditation (then feeling self expand exponentially, which was scary at first, but then became very joyful and empowering in feeling).

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posted December 10, 2020 11:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Librapurr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
I agree. It can be used constructively or destructively. I would say on average though, that I see it used more destructively than constructively.



Yes, but I don’t think 1 planet would really make all Pluto people the same.
Many planets could go the wrong way. A person with big Venus influence in the chart could be concerned about physical beauty too much. And I think the bad side of Neptune is well-known.

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posted December 11, 2020 07:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Somna7H     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
Is there a certain amount of aspects in the natal chart that would make a person Pluto?

Like if a person only has Moon/Pluto and Venus/Pluto aspects in their natal chart. Would that make them Plutonic?


My Pluto making Aspects with each and every other Planets in my Chart.
Am I a Plutonic ?
No I don'y think so.
The call me Rahu Man.

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posted December 12, 2020 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is the chart

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posted December 12, 2020 07:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, Pluto is fairly highlighted in their chart since it's conjunct the MC and closely trine the MC ruler-Venus, the Moon--ruler of the Sun, Moon, and Mercury Signs, is square Pluto.

A somewhat supportive pattern that isn't directly related, but indirectly relates, is that the chart ruler, Jupiter, is in the 8th House along with the NN/Saturn conjunction. This is what we call an underlying, repeating, supportive pattern.

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posted December 13, 2020 09:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Somna7H     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sun Square Pluto.
Moon Trine Pluto.
Venus Trine Pluto.
Mercury Square Pluto.
Mars Conjunct Mars.
All are withing close Orb but alas they failed to made me a Plutonian at all...


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Originally posted by Somna7H:
My Pluto making Aspects with each and every other Planets in my Chart.
Am I a Plutonic ?
No I don'y think so.
The call me Rahu Man.


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posted December 13, 2020 11:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for H20AC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
I've looked at these online programs for calculating these things. Didn't find them very accurate as a toto and so I don't use them at all.

I agree!!!

A different test will give you a different result.

In one I got Jupiter, I’m a Sagittarius Sun conjunct the MC in the 10th and also conjunct Pluto-Jupiter-Mercury from the 9th.
In another one I got “Plutonian” because I have Pluto-Jupiter-Mercury in Scorpio conjunct my MC-Sun in Sagi.
But also have Moon(libra) and Venus(early Scorpio) both in the 8th.

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posted December 13, 2020 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, funny how that works eh?

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