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Topic: What makes a person Plutonic?
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ChildofVenus Knowflake Posts: 5380 From: Customer Service Rep. Registered: Apr 2015
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posted December 07, 2020 04:34 PM
Is there a certain amount of aspects in the natal chart that would make a person Pluto? Like if a person only has Moon/Pluto and Venus/Pluto aspects in their natal chart. Would that make them Plutonic? IP: Logged |
GalacticCoreExplosion Knowflake Posts: 2059 From: Somewhere Registered: Sep 2019
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posted December 07, 2020 05:27 PM
Same thing for any Planet. There are various conditions that contribute to the highlighting of a Planet. Single most amplified position for a Planet is close conjunction to the ASC. The next being in the 1st House and closest Planet to the ASC. Conjunct the MC and/or in the 10th, and especially in major aspect to the ASC is another powerful position to look at if the above conditions do not apply. A Planet closely conjunct the faster moving Chart ruler is another powerful highlighting condition. Then the rest revolves around the other Angles and/or their ruler(s). Firmly within Cadency is usually the weakest/most passive condition for Planets, though a bit less for Mercury in 3rd and 6th, Jupiter in 9th or 12th, and Neptune in 12th. Then some other things boost some, such as Planet in its own Sign. Then as hinted above, a Planet in a House that loosely correponds to the order of Signs it rules i.e. Venus in 7th or 2nd is a bit of a boost (less than being in the Sign it rules though). Then, having a very strong focus on a particular Sign will boost that Planet(s) some. To really simplify things, the most Plutonian people ever will be those that have Scorpio Pluto closely conjunct Scorpio ASC with Mars in the 8th House and in major aspect (I consider inconjuncts and parallels more or less major aspects) to Pluto. Next most will be those that have Pluto closely conjunct ASC. Then those with Pluto in the 1st closest Planet to the ASC. So on and so forth down the line of relative weighing as mentioned for Planets and highlighting in general. If Pluto wasn't firmly in my 3rd, fairly far from my IC, then I would consider it pretty strong since it's in a relatively close major aspect to the Chart ruler which is also the Sun, and in a very, very close aspect to the ruler of the Moon Sign, MC Sign, and Pluto's Sign--Venus, combined with Scorpio IC. But in self's case, I would put it at "moderate" highlighting--because the firm Cadency placement counter balances some of the above. IP: Logged |
Librapurr Knowflake Posts: 734 From: Registered: Jul 2019
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posted December 07, 2020 10:31 PM
GalacticCore, if there’re many planets conj. Angles or in 1st? I have planets closer to the angles than Pluto, but Astro says Pluto is dominated. It’s because of my Scorpio stellium? Would Stellium have influence? If there’s no Tob, we cannot get dominated Planet than?Childo, you can see what Astro.com marks as the dominant planet for your chart. Edit, ok, Astro might be confusing. But Astro-seek still give me Pluto.
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ChildofVenus Knowflake Posts: 5380 From: Customer Service Rep. Registered: Apr 2015
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posted December 07, 2020 10:48 PM
quote: Originally posted by Librapurr: GalacticCore, if there’re many planets conj. Angles or in 1st? I have planets closer to the angles than Pluto, but Astro says Pluto is dominated.Childo, you can see what Astro.com marks as the dominant planet for your chart.
How can you see this? IP: Logged |
Librapurr Knowflake Posts: 734 From: Registered: Jul 2019
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posted December 07, 2020 11:22 PM
This might be better https://horoscopes.astro-seek.com/dominant-planets-astrology-online-calculator.They all might calculate it in a different way. If I’m not mistaken, Astro marks Dominate right in the Planet sheet with degrees.
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GalacticCoreExplosion Knowflake Posts: 2059 From: Somewhere Registered: Sep 2019
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posted December 08, 2020 12:31 AM
quote: Originally posted by Librapurr: GalacticCore, if there’re many planets conj. Angles or in 1st? I have planets closer to the angles than Pluto, but Astro says Pluto is dominated. It’s because of my Scorpio stellium? Would Stellium have influence? If there’s no Tob, we cannot get dominated Planet than?Childo, you can see what Astro.com marks as the dominant planet for your chart. Edit, ok, Astro might be confusing. But Astro-seek still give me Pluto.
Like I said earlier, "Then, having a very strong focus on a particular Sign will boost that Planet(s) some." So yes, having powerfully highlighted Scorpio plus Pluto in the 1st will tip it to the predominate all other things being equal. IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Moderator Posts: 4638 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted December 08, 2020 02:28 PM
quote: Originally posted by ChildofVenus: Is there a certain amount of aspects in the natal chart that would make a person Pluto? Like if a person only has Moon/Pluto and Venus/Pluto aspects in their natal chart. Would that make them Plutonic?
Not necessarily, because that's not that many Pluto aspects. It depends on how tight the aspects are, and whether there is another emphasis overriding it as to how the personality develops. So for example, I've got lots of aspects to Uranus, and lots to the Moon, but Pluto at 25° Virgo is the closest planet to my Asc 17° Virgo. So I'm more Plutonian than Lunar or Uranian in terms of current life single planet influence. ------------------ Soul Stars Astrology by The Declinations Guy: Expert birth chart rectification IP: Logged |
Brenda_S Knowflake Posts: 1059 From: Registered: Sep 2018
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posted December 08, 2020 06:55 PM
quote: Originally posted by Librapurr: This might be better https://horoscopes.astro-seek.com/dominant-planets-astrology-online-calculator.They all might calculate it in a different way. If I’m not mistaken, Astro marks Dominate right in the Planet sheet with degrees.
I'm surprised to see my dominant planet being Pluto. I'm curious how accurate this is. (genuinely thought I felt Mercury being my strongest planet, but it only comes 4th in line together with Sun which I honestly didn't expect) Can anyone confirm if they think it's accurate based on how they feel about the results? IP: Logged |
Librapurr Knowflake Posts: 734 From: Registered: Jul 2019
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posted December 09, 2020 01:14 PM
quote: Originally posted by Brenda_S: I'm surprised to see my dominant planet being Pluto. I'm curious how accurate this is. (genuinely thought I felt Mercury being my strongest planet, but it only comes 4th in line together with Sun which I honestly didn't expect)Can anyone confirm if they think it's accurate based on how they feel about the results?
I was surprised also when I got moon is the second one. You can try this method for comparing https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6hVbAPwIAok I don’t know how anything related to AC could be 100% accurate. Ac is something vague for me depending on variables.
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GalacticCoreExplosion Knowflake Posts: 2059 From: Somewhere Registered: Sep 2019
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posted December 09, 2020 01:31 PM
I've looked at these online programs for calculating these things. Didn't find them very accurate as a toto and so I don't use them at all. IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Moderator Posts: 4638 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted December 09, 2020 05:31 PM
I agree. I have yet to see an online planet strength/dominance calculator that is accurate. Anytime you see a method that rates asteroids higher than planets it is automatically discredited in my view. Also, there is a difference between a planet's underlying strength in the birth chart as a whole and what planet may be most influential in current life development. So Sun is strongest in my chart, but it is not the 'dominant' planet. Pluto nearest Asc, and Mars in parallel to MC are stronger in those terms. Core planet strength developed over lifetimes of soul development becomes integrated in a way that doesn't show and isn't necessarily felt in the same way that planets near the angles are. And I agree, planets in a particular sign can boost the ruling planet's strength some, but if there is a planet or two closer to the angles it will more strongly characterize the personality in its drives to develop. ------------------ Soul Stars Astrology by The Declinations Guy: Expert birth chart rectification IP: Logged |
Librapurr Knowflake Posts: 734 From: Registered: Jul 2019
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posted December 09, 2020 07:41 PM
If there’re planets conjunct AC and a different planet square MC about the same degree? Would aspects to nodes make the planet stronger?IP: Logged |
Brenda_S Knowflake Posts: 1059 From: Registered: Sep 2018
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posted December 09, 2020 07:57 PM
quote: Originally posted by Librapurr: I was surprised also when I got moon is the second one. You can try this method for comparing https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6hVbAPwIAokI don’t know how anything related to AC could be 100% accurate. Ac is something vague for me depending on variables.
Thanks! Although maybe Pluto is not 'most' influential, it's still butting heads with two other planets, Mercury being one of them. So I guess potentially it's rather accurate compared to the other site. I just don't know how Pluto is so influential in my chart lol, it only opposes my Sun and trines my Mars. I think maybe cuz is in domicile? But I wouldn't consider it indicative enough, although it is part of a rectangle with Sun, Mars and Neptune. So maybe I just wasn't aware till now and it's more prominent than I thought it is lol, I always used to dislike strong Pluto 😆 oh well. IP: Logged |
Brenda_S Knowflake Posts: 1059 From: Registered: Sep 2018
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posted December 09, 2020 08:00 PM
quote: Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion: I've looked at these online programs for calculating these things. Didn't find them very accurate as a toto and so I don't use them at all.
Thanks. At this point I'm just not sure perhaps it does influence my chart more than I thought it does. I almost considered it a non-existent planet, in general. I just never liked that energy 🤣 pretended it didn't exist lol. IP: Logged |
Brenda_S Knowflake Posts: 1059 From: Registered: Sep 2018
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posted December 09, 2020 08:10 PM
quote: Originally posted by Kannon McAfee: I agree. I have yet to see an online planet strength/dominance calculator that is accurate. Anytime you see a method that rates asteroids higher than planets it is automatically discredited in my view. Also, there is a difference between a planet's underlying strength in the birth chart as a whole and what planet may be most influential in current life development. So Sun is strongest in my chart, but it is not the 'dominant' planet. Pluto nearest Asc, and Mars in parallel to MC are stronger in those terms. Core planet strength developed over lifetimes of soul development becomes integrated in a way that doesn't show and isn't necessarily felt in the same way that planets near the angles are. And I agree, planets in a particular sign can boost the ruling planet's strength some, but if there is a planet or two closer to the angles it will more strongly characterize the personality in its drives to develop.
I'm curious how I can go about calculating such. Can points in a chart be most dominant? For me my ASC is the midpoint between Moon and Venus, as well as the midpoint between Sun and Mars. But Mercury aspects these points (ASC by 6 degrees and MC by 0 degrees), so is Mercury it? Mercury is also the midpoint between ASC and MC. Or do 'patterns' play a larger role, like the mystic rectangle (as in my case) if the nodes are involved? IP: Logged |
Brenda_S Knowflake Posts: 1059 From: Registered: Sep 2018
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posted December 09, 2020 08:11 PM
quote: Originally posted by Librapurr: If there’re planets conjunct AC and a different planet square MC about the same degree? Would aspects to nodes make the planet stronger?
Yeah same question, if nodes increase planets' strength. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 73749 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted December 09, 2020 09:01 PM
People with a strong Pluto have a deep inner strength. The chart gives it to them. It is not something they choose, per se, or don't choose. It really is a gift from God.------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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GalacticCoreExplosion Knowflake Posts: 2059 From: Somewhere Registered: Sep 2019
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posted December 09, 2020 09:25 PM
quote: Originally posted by Kannon McAfee: I agree. I have yet to see an online planet strength/dominance calculator that is accurate. Anytime you see a method that rates asteroids higher than planets it is automatically discredited in my view.
quote: Originally posted by Kannon McAfee: Also, there is a difference between a planet's underlying strength in the birth chart as a whole and what planet may be most influential in current life development. So Sun is strongest in my chart, but it is not the 'dominant' planet. Pluto nearest Asc, and Mars in parallel to MC are stronger in those terms. Core planet strength developed over lifetimes of soul development becomes integrated in a way that doesn't show and isn't necessarily felt in the same way that planets near the angles are.
Interesting, but I'm not sure I'm fully understanding/following. Does something like this relate? I've noticed that people that have a Planet near the ASC or in the 1st House, and then also a Planet near the MC or in the 10th, sometimes come in very attuned to the 1st House planet, but over time they start to morph more towards the 10th House Planet. In your chart, how is the Sun stronger than Pluto? IP: Logged |
GalacticCoreExplosion Knowflake Posts: 2059 From: Somewhere Registered: Sep 2019
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posted December 09, 2020 09:47 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: People with a strong Pluto have a deep inner strength. The chart gives it to them. It is not something they choose, per se, or don't choose. It really is a gift from God.
The chart is a reflection of how the Soul and Spirit has used its freewill in the past, both in the sense of developing certain consciousness patterns in other experiences physical and nonphysical, and then choosing a body (ASC)/life circumstance that aligns with one's goals, desires, etc. Usually during a Life Planning, a combination of the Co-Creator, a group of Elders, the Soul's Expanded self, the Soul, and the Soul's Guidance team all commune with each other after looking at the necessary other lives and present body opportunities, and then come up with a few or so "best fit" bodies/lives and then the Soul chooses one that they most gravitate to. True "Plutonians" are those that have an overall pattern towards very intense and power oriented (inner and/or outer) lifetime patterns, both potentially very positive or very negative (and sometimes phase changing from one extreme to another over time). They have tended to be rather stubborn/fixed and have developed strong will power and a more probing, skeptical perception. I don't see how God has anything to do with it when God gives all Souls and Spirit's freewill, and usually allows It's children to change and grow as they will. God most works through guidance forces that try to nudge the Soul in the best directions for its ultimate growth. But it works quietly and subtly most often. (Except for every once in awhile there are collective karmic repeating cycles, wherein the Creative Forces intervene more intensely and directly, as they shall be doing in the near future). IP: Logged |
Brenda_S Knowflake Posts: 1059 From: Registered: Sep 2018
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posted December 09, 2020 09:58 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: People with a strong Pluto have a deep inner strength. The chart gives it to them. It is not something they choose, per se, or don't choose. It really is a gift from God.
That's a fair observation. Thank you. IP: Logged |
Brenda_S Knowflake Posts: 1059 From: Registered: Sep 2018
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posted December 09, 2020 10:08 PM
quote: Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
I don't see how God has anything to do with it when God gives all Souls and Spirit's freewill, and usually allows It's children to change and grow as they will. God most works through guidance forces that try to nudge the Soul in the best directions for its ultimate growth. But it works quietly and subtly most often.
I think that's the classic question, if we actually have free will or if we're put in situations where it seems that the will is ours, but it was God that put us there. I look at it as if God plays Chess. If we don't seem to be taking whatever action His initial will is at, He'll play in a way that will prompt us to head in said direction the next move. So it's ultimately moving in the direction He wants us to, but the actual path is 'swerving' based on how we thought we wanted. So yes, the free will is there 'to an extent'. And perhaps He does try to nudge us in a certain direction. He'll make you realize along the way though that that's what is good for you. He'll open you to opportunities that will make you realize that you wanna change course. IP: Logged |
GalacticCoreExplosion Knowflake Posts: 2059 From: Somewhere Registered: Sep 2019
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posted December 09, 2020 10:24 PM
My experience/observation is that humans aren't generally very good/practiced at listening to guidance. Hence why this world is quite a mess. If the majority of us were mostly listening to our internal guidance, then this world would be VERY different. This is the way it is likely to become in the future, but humanity is going to have to go through h*ll to get there from what I've been told. That future earth, that future humanity, will be something to behold. It will be very different than our remembered past and current reality. IP: Logged |
Brenda_S Knowflake Posts: 1059 From: Registered: Sep 2018
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posted December 09, 2020 10:48 PM
Yeah, we don't know though if the hell they're referring to isn't the life we're experiencing now. I think there's a lot of change happening everyday which we don't realize. And the world is definitely not in a good place, if we can call it anything I think hell would be a good fit. It's true life will be very different compared to what it is now. But I think that change is happening as we speak. IP: Logged |
Librapurr Knowflake Posts: 734 From: Registered: Jul 2019
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posted December 09, 2020 10:57 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: People with a strong Pluto have a deep inner strength. The chart gives it to them. It is not something they choose, per se, or don't choose. It really is a gift from God.
I think it’s unfair when Pluto gets labeled as only negative. It has power. Without Pluto, I’d be just a people pleaser with all my Libra and Virgo. IP: Logged |
GalacticCoreExplosion Knowflake Posts: 2059 From: Somewhere Registered: Sep 2019
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posted December 09, 2020 11:07 PM
What I've been shown is a combo cosmic-Solar-Earth crust shifting event. Basically and simply, at some point in the near to nearish future, the Sun is going to release a tremendous amount of energy within a short time. This is in response to the effects of the Galactic Current sheet on the Sun, which we have been moving more into the area of. At minimum, this Solar event will fry the electrical grid system. If it's as intense as it's been at other 12, 000 year or so cycles, then it will also burn up roughly half of the earth. Those at the sun facing parts of earth during this time will not survive unless they are underground, because with this Solar scorching will also come meteorites and small asteroids. Shortly after, the crust will shift, continents will slide over the mantle. Some lands will sink, some lands will rise--new mountain chains forming (one dream my partner had, showed her that Boston area was going to have a Niagara falls type feature). Then there will be immense coastal flooding. Islands and coasts, unless they rise significantly, are fubarred. The great lakes will empty into the Mississippi and between the sinking and rising of lands, much of the west coast will be under water except for the highest mountain areas. And then even after things calm down, the winds and seas stop raging, the land stops quaking, rising, and sinking, the Sun stops burning, the meteorites created from the Sun stop falling, what's left of humanity will have to deal with not having electricity, running water, heat in the winter, ac in the summer, no easy, convenient food, etc. All crops destroyed, many animals killed. Imagine what cities will be like during these times? I'm not sure, but I suspect it's possible that ET's may take up some people during the worst of it. If you think things are bad now, well the above is going to be a very rude awakening. Personally, I would prefer to drop the body when the time comes. Nice nonphysical vacation? Heck yeah! But unfortunately, I already know that I'm contracted to stay through the above to help in the rebuilding and to keep what's left of the psychopathic plutocrats from completely taking over what's left of humanity (that is their plan, outright enslavement). But yes, if humanity responds well to these changes and the uncuffing from the soft slave system of the psychopathic plutocrats, then humanity has a chance to tremendously grow in a collective way that it hasn't done for a very, very, very long time. It will even go beyond the Golden Age that E.C.'s work talks about in relation to ancient Egypt some 12, 500 years ago during the last upheaval/cataclysm cycle. Potentially and eventually becoming a white light Age so to speak. So far, that ultimately very positive future is the probable one. IP: Logged |