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Leo-Cancer98
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posted January 20, 2021 11:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leo-Cancer98     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I heard Cancer Risings, are better-off marrying after the exact date of the end of their Saturn Return. I want to understand why that is though.

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posted January 20, 2021 12:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's because Saturn is all about lessons and when it's your DSC ruler (or if you have Saturn in your 7H), it's telling you to take time to find the right partner and that an older partner or someone more mature than his age is more suitable for you. Such people are usually advised to marry after their Saturn Return because generally that's when we start to really mature up and know what we want in life (including the type of life partners).

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posted January 20, 2021 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mee_chryssa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have it and I'm turning 30 in march. I am not married and the last few years were quite unlucky in this area. What Hikaru said is true. Saturn in the 7th house with Cancer ASC and I had a lot to learn about relationships.
I don't know for sure my time of birth, my parents told me that this is. I have some doubts, but I will find out soon from the hospital.
I know that they can marry before 30, but they make a bad decision if they marry before saturn return. That would have been the case for me too, if I stayed where I was, I guess.

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posted January 20, 2021 05:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I’m 90% that my DC is Sagittarius 29’... but most of the 7th house is in Capricorn. I just never had much desire for this and still don’t (I’m 34) .. I do love kids... So I would like to have a child... but the traditional marriage set-up isn’t something I’m sold on lol

My ideal “marriage” (with or without the piece of paper confirming it) would be living separately and doing things together... rather than living together 24/7... I would also want to travel with my S/O and with my kids.

The thought of 24/7 cohabitation ... is too much for me, and I generally just feel like this leads to arguments and daily drama. Not to mention that everything just fizzles our when you live together... fast forward 10 yrs and you’re basically best friends (at best).

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posted January 20, 2021 07:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stawr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I’ll have to double check, but I think the very early degrees of Capricorn are my 7th house.

I got engaged at 29, and we will get married when I am 31

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posted January 20, 2021 09:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Odette:
The thought of 24/7 cohabitation ... is too much for me, and I generally just feel like this leads to arguments and daily drama. Not to mention that everything just fizzles our when you live together... fast forward 10 yrs and you’re basically best friends (at best).

This is what fears me as well, that whoever I’m with we’ll eventually quarrel non-stop and the spark fizzles out. But I love living together as well and I feel that’s what life partnership is about. I still hope to find that person.

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posted January 20, 2021 09:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leo-Cancer98     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
This is what fears me as well, that whoever I’m with we’ll eventually quarrel non-stop and the spark fizzles out. But I love living together as well and I feel that’s what life partnership is about. I still hope to find that person.

How old are you? Do you currently live with a partner, fiancée, or spouse?

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posted January 21, 2021 06:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mee_chryssa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I’ll have to double check, but I think the very early degrees of Capricorn are my 7th house.

I got engaged at 29, and we will get married when I am 31


And that's why I think I have the wrong time of birth. Saturn has started transiting the 7th house 2 years ago and still nothing happened. And I think I was born earlier and Saturn was in my 7th house in 2008 when I met my ex bf that we were actually close to get married. After it ended, I concluded that someone has to learn first how to be in a relationship. Somehow thought like I knew that it was a learning period.

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posted January 21, 2021 02:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TaurusVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Odette, I couldn't agree with you more. Nothing ruins a relationship like, marriage and living together.

Familiarity breeds contempt.

Plus image having to cook and clean for a man everyday 🙄

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Originally posted by Odette:

The thought of 24/7 cohabitation ... is too much for me, and I generally just feel like this leads to arguments and daily drama. Not to mention that everything just fizzles our when you live together... fast forward 10 yrs and you’re basically best friends (at best).


Lol what's wrong with that?! That's real love. Love is not sex, romance, hormones--much of that is body stuff which is not inherently fulfilling in and of itself (I mean, it's nice when its combined with real love, but in and of itself, it's pretty meaningless and unfulfilling). Remember on the other thread what I said about your lessons in relation to Scorp Pluto conjunct Scorp South Node in the 5th? This is one of your biggest and most important lessons to learn in this life.

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posted January 21, 2021 05:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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hmmmmm....... no..... I don’t think so hun!

Galactic - You have a habit of expressing opinion as fact and I don’t mean to be a jerk here... but it is a bit annoying.

I don’t tell you what you are supposed to do in life based on your chart (un-asked), like I’m your self-appointed therapist.

Pluto/SN Scorpio... neglects the physical body. There is too much focus on the psychological and the spiritual side of life with a water SN.

I need to learn to focus on my body and physical wellbeing - like Taurus (personal earth sign)... and also to “take it easy”, rather than be hyper emotionally intense.

Scorpio is always focused on other people and playing psychologist with friends and family - which is something I overdo.. even on LL. Taurus spends more time focusing on themselves, their body... physical comfort, their health, their appearance etc.

But marriage and living together.... hmmmm.... I guess a Taurus person would want to cohabitate primarily for financial reasons... and because it is “tradition”... whereas Scorpio would be more likely fight against tradition. So maybe that’s related to the North Node... maybe...

On the other hand, my NN/Venus conj is the 11th (Aquarius house)... so it could still mean something unusual... like an unusual marriage setup.

Either way, I think living together isn’t the best idea for me 😜 It is what it is lol To each their own!

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posted January 21, 2021 05:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sigh... Now my Pisces Merc feels guilty...

Galactic - I really do appreciate your insights and your advice. Don’t get me wrong!

But put yourself in my shoes for a moment. If you posted your chart and I told you what I thought about it (or your synastry)... and then later on... I replied to you on a different thread - basically telling you “what you’re supposed to do in life”.. as though my opinion on this is fact... you wouldn’t like it very much, would you?

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posted January 21, 2021 08:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stawr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mee_chryssa:
And that's why I think I have the wrong time of birth. Saturn has started transiting the 7th house 2 years ago and still nothing happened. And I think I was born earlier and Saturn was in my 7th house in 2008 when I met my ex bf that we were actually close to get married. After it ended, I concluded that someone has to learn first how to be in a relationship. Somehow thought like I knew that it was a learning period.


I had two serious relationships before meeting my fiancé. (Learning periods when Saturn was in my 5th and 6th house)

When Saturn was in my 7th house my fiancé and I were starting to date and he asked me to move in with him, but I waited almost a year before doing so.
I was waiting for that proposal when Jupiter was in my 7th house but it actually happened when Jupiter was in my 8th I believe.
I think Saturn was in my 9th house when he popped the question.

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posted January 21, 2021 08:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stawr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My 7th house is 11 degree Sagitarius-02 degree Capricorn.

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posted January 22, 2021 11:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sashavittoria     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm a Cancer rising with natal Saturn in my 8th house. I got married when I was 26. My partner is quite older than me. When I got married, Saturn was still transiting my 6th house. Our first couple years of marriage, with Saturn transiting my 7th, were definitely NOT easy but I stuck with it. Now Saturn has finally entered my 8th house, and I'm scared, but steeling myself for my Saturn Return in February 2022. So although I'm happily committed, I don't know if you can call a marriage "successful" when it's only a few years in lol. I do agree with Galactic:

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Love is not sex, romance, hormones--much of that is body stuff which is not inherently fulfilling in and of itself

I think that's been the big love lesson for me in this and other relationships, especially during my Saturn square (in my 5th house) at 21ish: Letting go of the kind of Disney ideal of love and understanding it as commitment and not necessarily something that "feels good" on a daily basis. Something that's ultimately fulfilling in a big picture way.

Even as a Taurus sun and Venus, I don't feel the need to cohabitate on a daily basis for the sake of tradition or finances. I would really prefer to live alone, and my partner and I actually live in separate houses right now! But Aquarius is also the ruler of my 8th house, and Sag rules my 6th, plus our generational Neptune-Uranus conjunction falls in my 7th house also, so there are obviously many factors at play. [Edit: People often neglect the spiritual aspect of Taurus which is about value, including self-worth but also the intrinsic value of all things. I am very minimalist and anti-consumerism, although I do appreciate quality and will buy "investment" things, I have never identified with the idea of Taurus as materialistic. I find the spiritual expression much more accurate personally.]

That's an important note too - any Cancer rising folks born in the early '90s when Uranus and Neptune were conjunct in Capricorn will have this conjunction in their 7th house, and Aquarius will rule their 8th. I feel that really bucks the traditional relationship attitude one would expect from these people, while also adding some idealism in love. The earlier ones will also have the north node in Capricorn, which may fall in their 7th house also. (Mine is in my 6th.)

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Hi Odette,

Thank you for the advice, duly noted. I'd might agree if what I said was a more psychic/intuitive, and subjective tuning in, rather than fairly standard, balanced, and sound interpretation of the symbols.

Let's break it down bit by bit. Before I do, I will note that a percentage of long time, practiced, and seasoned astrologers like Isabel M. Hickey and well myself (almost 30 years) might tell you similar--that difficult aspects in Fixed Signs represent particularly stubborn/challenging lessons not being learned. Considering the nature of Pluto, the South Node, and Scorpio--all symbols with strongly "unconscious" and/or over-attachment side to them, and Scorpio and Pluto with their themes of power and fear based attunement, I would very much consider this a difficult aspect. These are heavy, difficult energies, however, for the bright/light side, there is much potential for much positive transformation and tremendous growth.

Anyways, I always look for repeating patterns in a chart. When I see two, or especially 3 or more similar patterns and/or themes coinciding at the same time, I know this is a very important thing to look at and focus on. Interesting then, that Scorpio, Pluto, and 5th House all deal with sex.

It also strongly suggests an "extremist, all or nothing" type approach to sex (those 3 symbols) and romance (5th House). It might suggest that the native might want an all consuming love affair, and nothing less will satisfy. The problem is, that's not generally real life, that's the stuff of romance novels. At the same time, both Scorpio and Pluto also have strong tendencies to fear and overattachment. There is a part of them that knows that they can lose themselves in another, and that is both titillating to such types and scary AF. Terrorfying, because these types really, really, really fear anybody having any "power" over them. Power to hurt, deeply and negatively affect, potentially take advantage of, die and leave me alone, etc. because they know that the right person and situation could leave them a blabbering mess.

Hence while Scorpio and Pluto innately have a very strong sex drive and "urge to merge" energetically and psychologically, they also can have a very, very controlled side in these areas, and precisely for the reason of not giving power to another. You'll find that Scorpio, Pluto, and/or 8th House shows up fairly strongly in charts of people who are celibates or near celibates more than one would think. This is either due to control/fear, or sometimes (less often), the person is redirecting those powerful, creative energies into higher channels. For example, I have a friend who is very, very spiritually intune and who is celibate. He has Leo Pluto in the 5th House trine his ASC and Scorpio 8th House. He redirects that energy through deep meditation, service, attunement to Love, and active kundalini movement. Much of that energy goes up into his 6th and 7th Centers, strengthening and stimulating them beyond the norm/usual for humans (which is ideal).

One of the things that strongly Scorpio and/or Pluto attuned people really need to learn is fearless surrender. Not necessarily to another, but to the power of spiritual Love in general. Attunement to the latter though, can help them get over their fear of becoming deeply intimate and merged with another, it can give them the necessary strength and centeredness to do so. For they are much, much, much more sensitive and easily hurt than they let on.

Long time friendship and easy, harmonious, affectionate companionship is exactly what a person with Taurus North Node in the 11th might need to balance out and grow out of that Scorpio Pluto conjunct Scorp South Node. Because a long term friendship (and romance) with the same individual (and Taurus is nothing if not consistent, stable, and fixed as heck), would teach them to trust, to feel safe, and help them with their fear and outright paranoia of getting irrevocably hurt, having their power taken away by another, etc. The highest form of Love, is that of complete merging, while retaining your individual identity. It is an earthly reflection of what is possible spiritually with the seeming dichotomies of the Oneness of the Whole and experiencing same while being a self aware, freewilled individual and staying as such. Rather than the drop of water losing itself in the ocean, the drop of water realizes that it contains the ocean within itself and along with all the other drops of water, make up the ocean.

(Here is where it gets subjective, more intuitive, and less standard...) If I was channeling Graham, I'd might suggest that a possible past life or other life pattern reflection of Scorpio South Node conjunct Scorp Pluto in the 5th, could be that of having been owned by another (slavery) in a past life wherein the other used you for their sexual pleasure and false power purposes. Here's where it might get tricky though, it's possible that some part of you may have been attracted to or had feelings for this individual (maybe a deeper, karmic, Soul connection) and vice versa, which made the whole thing extremely upsetting and confusing to you. And, part of you also deeply despised and hated him (and especially the situation) because of the lack of power balance in this relationship, and that while he could be kind, he could also be cruel and controlling. He literally held the power of life and death over you. Essentially a lot of fear got mixed in with underground (Soul) love, and sex.

You, quite understandably, don't ever want to go there again, literally or even more metaphorically/allegorically/symbolically. But these are wounds based in fear, and need to be consciously realized and released. If this forum had a PM function, I would be more apt to communicate such things through that, but I'm working with what we have here.

Course, the above may not be accurate. I haven't been feeling as intune of late as I typically do (though that has been improving just recently), so yes, I do advise taking some (a grain or two of) salt along with the above. However, whatever the case in the latter part, the more standard interpretation earlier is based on sound and balanced astrological interpreting principles.

But consider for a moment my own South Node pattern. I have Pisces South Node closely cusping Aquarius in the 7th House. Among the various things that this symbolically outlines and reflects, is that I have some developed intuitive/psychic talents and can deeply tune into others. And that I had used this ability in the past (South Node) in service (Pisces, mixed with faster moving ruler of same--Jupiter in Virgo) to others (7th), and that it comes easy to me to use these in the present, since Jupiter the faster moving ruler of Pisces is in Virgo, along with the Virgo North Node (just out of conjunction), and trine the ruler of same, Mercury, with less than a degree. (This btw, also shows a very developed, Whole brain i.e left-right brain hemisphere synchronicity/interconnection).

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Thank you for sharing Sashavittoria.

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posted January 22, 2021 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leo-Cancer98     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Hi Odette,

Thank you for the advice, duly noted. I'd might agree if what I said was a more psychic/intuitive, and subjective tuning in, rather than fairly standard, balanced, and sound interpretation of the symbols.

Let's break it down bit by bit. Before I do, I will note that a percentage of long time, practiced, and seasoned astrologers like Isabel M. Hickey and well myself (almost 30 years) might tell you similar--that difficult aspects in Fixed Signs represent particularly stubborn/challenging lessons not being learned. Considering the nature of Pluto, the South Node, and Scorpio--all symbols with strongly "unconscious" and/or over-attachment side to them, and Scorpio and Pluto with their themes of power and fear based attunement, I would very much consider this a difficult aspect. These are heavy, difficult energies, however, for the bright/light side, there is much potential for much positive transformation and tremendous growth.

Anyways, I always look for repeating patterns in a chart. When I see two, or especially 3 or more similar patterns and/or themes coinciding at the same time, I know this is a very important thing to look at and focus on. Interesting then, that Scorpio, Pluto, and 5th House all deal with sex.

It also strongly suggests an "extremist, all or nothing" type approach to sex (those 3 symbols) and romance (5th House). It might suggest that the native might want an all consuming love affair, and nothing less will satisfy. The problem is, that's not generally real life, that's the stuff of romance novels. At the same time, both Scorpio and Pluto also have strong tendencies to fear and overattachment. There is a part of them that knows that they can lose themselves in another, and that is both titillating to such types and scary AF. Terrorfying, because these types really, really, really fear anybody having any "power" over them. Power to hurt, deeply and negatively affect, potentially take advantage of, die and leave me alone, etc. because they know that the right person and situation could leave them a blabbering mess.

Hence while Scorpio and Pluto innately have a very strong sex drive and "urge to merge" energetically and psychologically, they also can have a very, very controlled side in these areas, and precisely for the reason of not giving power to another. You'll find that Scorpio, Pluto, and/or 8th House shows up fairly strongly in charts of people who are celibates or near celibates more than one would think. This is either due to control/fear, or sometimes (less often), the person is redirecting those powerful, creative energies into higher channels. For example, I have a friend who is very, very spiritually intune and who is celibate. He has Leo Pluto in the 5th House trine his ASC and Scorpio 8th House. He redirects that energy through deep meditation, service, attunement to Love, and active kundalini movement. Much of that energy goes up into his 6th and 7th Centers, strengthening and stimulating them beyond the norm/usual for humans (which is ideal).

One of the things that strongly Scorpio and/or Pluto attuned people really need to learn is fearless surrender. Not necessarily to another, but to the power of spiritual Love in general. Attunement to the latter though, can help them get over their fear of becoming deeply intimate and merged with another, it can give them the necessary strength and centeredness to do so. For they are much, much, much more sensitive and easily hurt than they let on.

Long time friendship and easy, harmonious, affectionate companionship is exactly what a person with Taurus North Node in the 11th might need to balance out and grow out of that Scorpio Pluto conjunct Scorp South Node. Because a long term friendship (and romance) with the same individual (and Taurus is nothing if not consistent, stable, and fixed as heck), would teach them to trust, to feel safe, and help them with their fear and outright paranoia of getting irrevocably hurt, having their power taken away by another, etc. The highest form of Love, is that of complete merging, while retaining your individual identity. It is an earthly reflection of what is possible spiritually with the seeming dichotomies of the Oneness of the Whole and experiencing same while being a self aware, freewilled individual and staying as such. Rather than the drop of water losing itself in the ocean, the drop of water realizes that it contains the ocean within itself and along with all the other drops of water, make up the ocean.

(Here is where it gets subjective, more intuitive, and less standard...) If I was channeling Graham, I'd might suggest that a possible past life or other life pattern reflection of Scorpio South Node conjunct Scorp Pluto in the 5th, could be that of having been owned by another (slavery) in a past life wherein the other used you for their sexual pleasure and false power purposes. Here's where it might get tricky though, it's possible that some part of you may have been attracted to or had feelings for this individual (maybe a deeper, karmic, Soul connection) and vice versa, which made the whole thing extremely upsetting and confusing to you. And, part of you also deeply despised and hated him (and especially the situation) because of the lack of power balance in this relationship, and that while he could be kind, he could also be cruel and controlling. He literally held the power of life and death over you. Essentially a lot of fear got mixed in with underground (Soul) love, and sex.

You, quite understandably, don't ever want to go there again, literally or even more metaphorically/allegorically/symbolically. But these are wounds based in fear, and need to be consciously realized and released. If this forum had a PM function, I would be more apt to communicate such things through that, but I'm working with what we have here.

Course, the above may not be accurate. I haven't been feeling as intune of late as I typically do (though that has been improving just recently), so yes, I do advise taking some (a grain or two of) salt along with the above. However, whatever the case in the latter part, the more standard interpretation earlier is based on sound and balanced astrological interpreting principles.

But consider for a moment my own South Node pattern. I have Pisces South Node closely cusping Aquarius in the 7th House. Among the various things that this symbolically outlines and reflects, is that I have some developed intuitive/psychic talents and can deeply tune into others. And that I had used this ability in the past (South Node) in service (Pisces, mixed with faster moving ruler of same--Jupiter in Virgo) to others (7th), and that it comes easy to me to use these in the present, since Jupiter the faster moving ruler of Pisces is in Virgo, along with the Virgo North Node (just out of conjunction), and trine the ruler of same, Mercury, with less than a degree. (This btw, also shows a very developed, Whole brain i.e left-right brain hemisphere synchronicity/interconnection).

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Haha, my Pluto is in The 5th House, but less than 2 degrees away from The 6th House. I can have sex every single day for a week, then not care about it for years 🤷🏾‍♀️

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3rd House Leo Mercury
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If I'm remembering correctly, you do or did competitive weight lifting? If so, you probably do channel some of that powerful energy into other channels besides the usual.

Besides people with a very strong spiritual and meditation focus, or people like you that expend a lot of physical energy in other ways, you'll also find that there are some artists, musicians, writers, and creatives in general that naturally tend towards the celibate. Because that is yet another avenue of redirecting both sexual energy and/or kundalini into other channels, rather than dissipating it through sex.

This whole topic is a very interesting one to me, since I have Pisces on the 8th, with Neptune modern ruler, in Sagittarius in the 5th (strongly aspected to sensitive and personal planets), and Jupiter faster moving ruler in Virgo and retrograding back into the 1st (strongly aspected to personal and sensitive Planets). I've had my own experiences with redirecting this energy into other channels rather than expending it the usual way.

And, in my Egyptian past life, I experienced the ultimate, full, all level union between self and another (my beloved priestess/co-worker twin soul, whom even now, part of me deeply, deeply misses and longs for). We were about as merged as two Souls in two different bodies could be. When you have experienced that in the flesh, it is hard to detach from and not deeply desire anymore, but maybe best channeled more generally/impersonally and divinely/universally.

If I wasn't with my partner, I likely would be single and celibate in order to focus more powerfully on service--like my friend Albert, and like the Teacher of teachers, Yeshua. (With that said, do very much enjoy sex in a mutually loving connection).

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Galactic - I have been researching astrology for the last 20 years (as well as consulted with many astrologers) and I am happy with the conclusions I’ve come to regarding my chart, at this age.
I have actually been posting on LL since 2006/7 btw.

The kind of advice you are giving me - would have been needed perhaps when I was 18 years old and unaware.

I also have a law degree and I’m currently doing postgraduate research in political science so I’m not a “newbie” when it comes to researching a topic.

I still feel that - at least when it comes to the way you express yourself regarding my chart - you are stating your opinions as being facts, which they are not.

They are your opinions. They are informed opinions based on your own research, but nonetheless - opinions.

I was asking for help regarding synastry on the other thread.

I wouldn’t ask for help regarding my natal chart... as I have extensively researched it for 20 years... and am already aware of many of the things you mention, and many others.

And I have come to some conclusions - that I am happy with and also confident about.

I could probably write an entire book on Taurus North Node.. because I’ve also interacted with and befriended many people in my generation (with this Node) - and I have multiple stories regarding how it plays out.

I am more than well-aware.... both first-hand (through my own experiences)... and second-hand, through the experiences of dozens (possibly hundreds) of people with this NN (from HS, through to University and up until present date) - whose charts I have looked at.

Also, we have never had one conversation about my spiritual or religious beliefs. Why would you assume I believe in past lives?
This is something I was interested in and did believe in .. back in my early 20s.

Due to several life experiences and things I’ve learnt.. my beliefs have changed pretty drastically, and at this stage - they are most aligned with Christianity.
So telling me about my past lives, when I no longer believe in past lives is pretty unhelpful.

This would be like me telling you that.. once upon a time you were Santa Claus and you delivered presents to all the kids around the world every Christmas - when you more than likely don’t believe Santa is real.
*shrug*

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Please don’t comment on my natal chart again or give me unsolicited advice.

I realise you mean well, but it really is completely unsolicited and at this point, a little bit rude.

As I have already mentioned, you certainly wouldn’t like it - if I studied your chart and then took it upon myself to tell you what should or should not do in your life (unasked).

Thank you.

I sincerely hope you understand where I am coming from... and stop.

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As I have already mentioned, you certainly wouldn’t like it - if I studied your chart and then took it upon myself to tell you what should or should not do in your life (unasked).

To be completely honest, I really wouldn't care too much one way or another what people said or didn't say about my chart or about me. Not long ago, one of our forum friends referred to me as GalacticWh@re (out of some deep seated anger for calling them out on their stuff). Told em I appreciated their interesting sense of humor. Completely fine with it.

Probably the only time that I got irked here in relation to a forum member, is when someone told me that a person I have talked about probably isn't my twin soul, and while I was irked and told them off a bit (believed I said that they were being arrogant, didn't have a clue, and had some strong "believe what they want to believe" patterns in their chart), I didn't give them any ultimatums or the like.

But since you asked so nicely and lawyerly, post this reply, I will not be further responding to you or your chart as someones shadow appears to be rather sensitive and they would prefer to view same with rosed color glasses. All that concentrated Scorpio/Pluto combo is just roses and spirituality, and caring too much about others. Oh the tangled webs we weave when we first practice to deceive, especially ourselves.

Btw, neither Scorpio nor Pluto really correspond to "spirituality" so much. Scorpio is the first stage in the Zodiac, from Aries to Libra, wherein the Soul is JUST starting to vaguely sense that there is more to reality than these apparent meat suits we've been told that is all there is. Scorpio senses that there is more. They are more "occult" oriented than "spiritual" oriented. Occult meaning hidden. They like to investigate that which is hidden and/or taboo. Spirituality is a whole other thing and much more Sagittarius to Piscean. It's in the stage/cycle of Sagittarius that the Soul becomes more fully conscious of the spiritual and nonphysical, via direct exploration, seeking, and questioning, and they start attaching labels, meanings, and start creating a codified/organized belief system out of it all. Basically trying to convert the unconscious to the conscious.

Then in Capricorn, the Soul makes those spiritual principles, perceptions, and ideals practical and pragmatic and brings it down to the earth, with a strong sense of wanting to be of service to others with this knowledge (think Dr. King, who was a rare, truly spiritual person). Aquarius furthers this process and brings it to the groups and/or masses. Then in Pisces, the mystic cycle, the Soul seeks full union with the mystery and the Creative Force itself, rather than sensing it vaguely and wanting to start to investigating it (Scorpio), talking and philosophizing about it (Sagittarius), building edifices or various structures to support same, and/or climbing to the top of the mountain to have visions (Capricorn), coming down off the mountain and prophesying and gathering together the many (Aquarius).

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...and then took it upon myself to tell you what should or should not do in your life (unasked).

The above is a little inaccurate. I did NOT tell you what you should or shouldn't do. I outlined what real Love was based on after you expressed an rather unusual and extreme position on relationships--one that relatively few people share.

I'm speaking from 20 years of being in a relationship with the same person. I didn't say what you should or shouldn't do, I asked you specifically, what was wrong with becoming best friends with someone after 10 years of cohabiting. I said it was that friendship and commitment that is the basis of real love, not the initial romance, sex, and excitement. Kind of like, I don't know, Aquarius vs Leo, or more accurately 11th House vs 5th House. The 5th House is the "honey trap" to get us into the 7th House connection, and then the 11th House finishes up that union with a higher form of Love, which is a reflection of the 5th. The 5th being like a lower octave of the 11th, or the 11th being a higher octave of the 5th, however one wants to put it. Or, one being the personal expression and one being the collective and more "spiritual" expression.

So let's be accurate and with our accusations and judgements. Because putting words or deeds into another's mouth is FAR more rude than delineating their chart unasked for. And if I am completely wrong/off, why would you care one way or the other what I say or don't say about your chart or you? Aren't you secure in yourself? You yourself already recongized that I'm not trying to be mean. To me, it just seems like I've pushed a button and have said some things you really don't want to hear. That is a BIG clue that you should be paying attention, because this is far more about you than me.

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Due to several life experiences and things I’ve learnt.. my beliefs have changed pretty drastically, and at this stage - they are most aligned with Christianity.
So telling me about my past lives, when I no longer believe in past lives is pretty unhelpful.

Well hot dang, we have something in common, we're both followers of Yeshua. Believe it or not, but being a follower of Yeshua doesn't necessarily preclude beliefs in other lives. In fact, though the Romans tried to stamp it out, most of the oldest Christian groups (such as the Gnostics etc) actually did believe in other lives and concepts like karma. Besides them, some of the Jewish groups and one of the groups that Yeshua and Yohannan the Baptist were peripherally involved with, the Essenes, also very much believed in others lives, astrology, phrenology, etc. They were full blown meta-physicians all around.

The most accurate and vast psychic work on this planet, which came from a staunch, long time Christian, talks a lot about Yeshua's "lost years" and not only that, but about his various other lives, including the biblical figures of "Joshua", "Joseph", and "Jeshua" the Scribe.

But riddle me this, why would Yeshua tell his disciples that Yohannan the Baptist was the fulfillment of the old prophecy that the Spirit of Elijah would come again before the Messiah would return? Come again is kind of an interesting way of putting it no?

Or why would Yeshua, after healing the blind man who had been blind from birth, have his disciples come up to him and ask, "Who did sin/err, this man or his parents that he was born blind".

Two big clues in the above, they OBVIOUSLY believed that this Soul had lived another human life before, otherwise how could he have sinned before his birth, and two, they were speaking to the concept of karma and that his predicament might have been related to past life negative karma, either his or his parents (it wasn't either in this case, according to Yeshua). But that the fact that they, his closest, were asking him this to begin with, speaks to their belief in these concepts.

Today, there is at least one Jewish offspring belief system, the Kabbalists, who still believe in other lives. In fact, though it is not widely known, it is the Kabbalists that originated the understanding and view in western astrology, that the South Node is very linked to other lives. And I have personally found this to be quite true.

Robert (aka Bob) Monroe talked about his guidance telling him that his larger self (what we could call his Spirit or Expanded self), had two other Souls besides him, incarnated in the same space/time cycle. He later ended up meeting and becoming friends with them. One of those people was Bruce Moen, who writes in his 3rd book about finding out that Bob, he, and their mutual friend "Rebecca" (not her real name, she is a deeply private person) were all part of the same Expanded self.

What's interesting about this. Bob was a Scorpio Sun and Bruce had Scorpio South Node.

I know of another case where two Souls are very connected energetically and karmically, and from the same Spirit self. One lady had been both born and later died under Aquarius Sun. Her Spirit's latter self, was born under Aquarius Sun with Aquarius South Node.

Yet another, similar case where the earlier Soul was born under Pisces Sun, and their Spirit's latter self (like the above cases, not direct reincarnation, but from the same Spirit self and very karmically and energetically connected), was born with Pisces South Node.

Anyways, this will be my last reply to you both specifically and in general.

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Originally posted by Leo-Cancer98:
How old are you? Do you currently live with a partner, fiancée, or spouse?

I’m in my 40s and currently dating. Not living together.

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Sigh...
Real mature.

So I ask you to respect my boundaries and not give me unsolicited advice on my personal life - and - your reaction is that you will never communicate with me again, at all.

Whatever Trevor 🙄
Have fun not interacting with me.

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To me, it just seems like I've pushed a button and have said some things you really don't want to hear.

Yes that must be what it was. You must have been so correct in everything you said (since you clearly know it all and even know me better than I know myself) - that the absolute truth of your words pushed my buttons 👏👍

It wasn’t the fact that you were rude by giving me unsolicited “advice” on my personal life - and disrespecting my boundaries.


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To be completely honest, I really wouldn't care too much one way or another what people said or didn't say about my chart or about me

Really?

If I said word for word - “Galactic, your SN is Pisces so you absolutely need to understand X (as I personally see X). *This* is one of your biggest and most important lessons to learn in life!” - totally unprompted...

You wouldn’t feel as though I was overstepping?

You don’t think - your most important lesson/s - is something that is your own business not mine, since we barely know each other?

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Btw, neither Scorpio nor Pluto really correspond to "spirituality" so much

^ Your opinion.

There are other people in the world and they are entitled to have their own thoughts, beliefs and experiences, as well as their own research/knowledge base on any particular topic.

Yes I do believe Scorpio is a spiritual sign and it has a great deal to do with spirituality, as do the other two water signs.

It is a difference of opinion!

The fact that you personally believe or disbelieve something - does not invalidate my own views on that topic, or anybody else’s views.

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All that concentrated Scorpio/Pluto combo is just roses and spirituality, and caring too much about others.

I think you misunderstood this part. I didn’t say it was “caring about others” (as Cancer would be “caring”).. and there is nothing rosy about it at alI.

I was saying it is being very interested in psychology and other people’s lives and problems and issues in general, as opposed to being more self-focused - as personal signs (e.g. Taurus) are.

But it’s not rosy. Human psychology is multi-layered and far from rosy. Taurus is the rosy side of this opposition, not Scorpio.
I know full well how rosy I can be, and I also know full well how dark I can be (Scorpio SN). I’ve been living this for 35 yrs so I’m not looking at it from the outside in.

I won’t discuss past lives... because we’ll derail the thread further. But thank you for writing out your thoughts on this. It was interesting to read.

I wasn’t going to avoid you. Your behaviour here upset me because I feel like you crossed the line.. and were quite patronising towards me, so I was honest in telling you.

If you do wish to avoid me though, that’s your prerogative.

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posted January 23, 2021 06:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I personally don't know anyone who is successfully married.. unless you're talking about successfully married people for a couple of years.. OR couples who are married for many years but they are in a miserable state, sick of each other, staying together for other reasons and pretending to be a happy couple in front of other people.

I do have Cap DSC conjuncting Uranus and Neptune and Saturn in 8th H. I've always seen relationships way more realistically than majority of my age. What I realised when I was 19-20yo without having any experiences, they realise at their 30s or later after they've been "ruined" from their experiences.

Of course marriage, divorce and heartache do not ruin you longterm but being divorced, without a job at your 30s, without any help and with a child that is going to depend on you for the rest of your younger life does ruin you, mentally, emotionally, financially and practically.

So nowadays no matter the DSC.. waiting after your 1st Saturn Return to get married (and especially having a child) is a great advice and I think the ones who need it the least are those with Cap/Saturn on their DSC. I would say they are far away from being immature, it is actually the others that are immature for them. However maturity and experience don't always go together. Saturn brings maturity but it may delay up to forever the actual experience of smth.

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