posted January 26, 2021 12:04 AM            

Of course, the SR ASC house is the natal 7H

I am using tropical, birth location btw

posted January 26, 2021 07:23 PM            

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Originally posted by stone1:
found this:
SR ASC the same as DSC of natal chart = a difficult year

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Found this older LL thread.
You might look through the material and find other valuable ways to interpret your SR.

STEPS ON HOW TO INTERPRET A SOLAR RETURN CHART, by Starlink
by Writesomething, posted March 27, 2009
- http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/001306.html

posted January 28, 2021 11:07 AM            

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Originally posted by stone1:
All transit planets are on the top of the natal chart, while in solar return chart, all planets in the bottom half, which one is right? How do you interpret that?

Of course, the SR ASC house is the natal 7H

I am using tropical, birth location btw

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Technically, this is just the result of the two charts being drawn at different times of the day.

Nevertheless, it is reminding you that the house locations of the planets in the SR chart with you for the next 12 months - whilst those of the transit chart are short-lived.

So ... both are "right" - but the influence of the Solar Return "Transit" chart will last for 12 months.

I'd treat the SR as a 12-months stand-alone chart (of "self-expression/creativity"), with the transits to it acting as timers of potential events.

posted January 29, 2021 02:52 AM            

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Originally posted by stone1:
@Graham thanks! everything looks good that year (transit, progression, zr) except this solar return chart since all planets go below lol, it makes the decision difficult to make.

On the other hand - have you ever tried the 12 yr cycle of jupiter return chart? does it work for you?

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posted January 29, 2021 09:34 AM            

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Originally posted by stone1:
is that because jupiter is in your 9H? Jupiter is in my 8h (whole sign) or 7h (placidus), I found my next jupiter return (using birth location) with Mars in Cap 8h opposite Saturn in Cancer 2h, T-squaring jupiter mercury moon neptune sun in aires...

Yes the reason I was worried is my love (it is his solar return) plans to release a project that year, but every planet is in bottom bowl on that year disregarding great other significators in transit, progression and zr, and even jupiter return chart looks good on him

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No. ... My natal Jupiter is in Capricorn/4th house. ... But, in a Kite configuration that has Jupiter as its 'peak planet' (to which everything else is orientated). ... And the promise of that Kite is 'the outlook of Jupiter will change/expand in the current lifetime'. ... (See http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/026251.html ).

Hence, my Jupiter cycles bring events that are intended to change/expand my outlook ... as "promised" in the natal chart.

posted January 29, 2021 08:08 PM            

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Originally posted by stone1:
All transit planets are on the top of the natal chart, while in solar return chart, all planets in the bottom half, which one is right? How do you interpret that?

Of course, the SR ASC house is the natal 7H

I am using tropical, birth location btw

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Always look at the real movements of the planets (transits) over an accurate birth chart. Those are the only houses that matter.

Read this:
http://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/2019/09/14/the-solar-return/

posted January 30, 2021 05:02 AM            

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Originally posted by stone1:
interesting, so does solar return, or mars return, are the same? bringing the natal promise out?

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Yes. ... And Saturn - the return that reveals the direction of our life for the next 30 years.

posted January 30, 2021 05:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Always look at the real movements of the planets (transits) over an accurate birth chart. Those are the only houses that matter.

Read this:
http://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/2019/09/14/the-solar-return/

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I disagree with only one thing in your linked article ... in that it is the natal sun of the chart owner which returns to it's position, not the sun.

However, since our natal sun is (as you say) stamped at birth* - whereas the sun is not - that difference causes me to doubt the validity of your view that the solar chart is not linked to the natal chart.

[ * With whatever is promised for it/the sun in the natal chart.]

posted January 30, 2021 03:14 PM            

For uranus return - you mean for soul to go next lifetime (if there is any)? since one already 84 years old when it returns.

posted January 30, 2021 04:41 PM            

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Originally posted by stone1:
@Graham

For uranus return - you mean for soul to go next lifetime (if there is any)? since one already 84 years old when it returns.

I also wonder since Venus has 8 year minor period cycle, mars has like 15 years, does that make sense for example Mars return at 15 years (or 30, 45, 60 years old) age is more imporant?

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I had not thought to use Uranus as an indicator of a future life.

My thinking is that Return Charts show where we are intended to be at that time ... in the way that the natal chart shows where we are at the start of the current lifetime. Thus, we know from the Return Chart where Uranus is going to in the current lifetime.

posted January 31, 2021 11:56 AM            

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Originally posted by stone1:
@graham
Look at this - planets come back to the same position with the sun, they are synodic cycles:
https://sevenstarsastrology.com/astrological-predictive-techniques-planetary-years-1-mino-years-division-of-days/

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posted January 31, 2021 12:36 PM            

If you have an account with Astrodienst,
- www.astro.com
the few days before your birthday,
Go to Free Horoscopes

Go to "Celestial Events" --

See Transit "Sun conjunct Sun" appear in the list of your Transits, (is in the lower section of Celestial Events page).

Make sure your "Reference Place" is set for the town you will physically BE in, for your Return. On Celestial Events, you can find this at upper right hand side of page. They have a clickable link to let you change it, if you need to.

Click the "Sun conjunct Sun" link,
and a Pop-Out chart appears for the EXACT time and place of your Solar Return.

Remember that your Birthday Event spans 3 days.
Check the day before your Calendar Day.
?Maybe the day after, for some charts.

posted January 31, 2021 03:03 PM            

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Originally posted by stone1:
Thanks for your input

@kannon - I have found about 70% of solar return chart works.

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I don't know what you mean by 'works' but I would hope the 30% would give you reasons for further inquiry upon the presumptions possibly underlying the 70% that seem to work.

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... I am curious after reading your articles, do you think location matters?

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I thought that was obvious given I use my current location in the chart examples, but to restate, yes, location matters. So technically to time your transits properly, especially those of the Moon, the current location should be used for the transits overlayed on the natal chart.

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for example, do you think relocation astrology (AKA astrocartography makes sense?

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I have not explored astrocartography, but birth charts relocated for a new residence (city) do not make sense, no.

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Do you calculate Jupiter return based on location where you are when jupiter returns?

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I personally don't bother calculating Jupiter returns for a chart of its own or for its exact timing. That's not important. Its the relationship to the natal by aspects, house transit, etc, and the accompanying transits that matter to the person's life/growth process.

posted January 31, 2021 03:17 PM            

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Originally posted by stone1:
@kannon
For declination, which orb allowance do you use? [quote]

In natal charts 1 - 1.2°, and definitely more for luminaries. So luminaries in aspect to each other can be given 1.5 - 2°.

In transits, no more than 1°, a bit more for luminaries.

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Which technique tool do you most look at - transit declination v.s. natal?

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I look at declinations in every kind of chart I use: natal, transits, progressed. You don't have the full picture of the sky unless you do.

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2nd progression? thanks

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Effective orbs for declinations in secondary progressions are far tighter:

- for planets +/-0°05', in other words in the culmination zone only.

- that zone for the luminaries is wider because of their apparent width (30'): 05'culmination zone + 15' radius of disc = ~20'. Most aspects correlating to life events and important developments (windows of opportunity) if Sun is involved in declination will occur when it is within several minutes arc from exact aspect. For Moon it could be wider because it is closer to Earth, but it must be measured in topocentric method to get the accurate position.

I always use the topocentric positions for the most accuracy. The common method of calculating Moon's position will not give you an accurate declination. You have to use the topocentric calculation. This is more important in progressions than transits, but it's important enough to use it in all types of charts.

posted February 01, 2021 10:34 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
This prediction technique is new to me. I am looking at it now, and will comment asap.

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If I understand it correctly ... the natal promise of Venus "matures" every 8 years; that of Mars "matures" every 15 years and what is promised by their natal aspect/relationship "matures" every 23 years (8 + 15). None are more important than either of the other two, and each is related to a different thing/promise.

So ... in my natal chart ... Venus is in Libra/1st, promising the development of "what attracts me, in relationships" ... and this matures (creates a significant event) from my 7th to 8th birthday (and every 8 years thereafter).