posted February 22, 2021 05:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Seline:
Because it is 3H describes us as children too (age 0 to 12 if I'm not mistaken), and that period of life when we (more or less) form all our likes and dislikes (hence "pure fun, joy and curiosity and exploration" as you said). It determines our ability to be happy / overall capacity for happiness. The 5H depends on 3H. Though, I would say that 3H affects the expression of every single house. I noticed that I communicate my houses in accordance with my 3H cusp sign, with few modifications.

Gathered from my scribbles, my small contribution - 3H is the basis for 9H and 10H. It determines our intelligence & thought process, our relationship to knowledge regardless of its level, our ability to expand and manipulate acquired knowledge (9H and its potential benefits) and its practical application (10H).

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That is such a fascinating observation you are making about how the 3H influences the expression of the other houses and your perspective that it impacts a lot our ability to be happy! My Neptune in Saggy rules my 3H and conjuncts my AC, I am pretty adaptive and don't hold unto bad memories and forgive and forget pretty quickly even if I may be intensely upset in the moment but then bam I just move on from it and let it go as soon as situation improves and conflict dissipates, I dont stay angry for too long. I tell myself I want to have more happy days than sad so I let go, go with the flow and don't hold on.

There are two things I had a hard time letting go of and that is my ex bc our romance was very intense and I let myself fall all the way and was young, my 5H ruler VENUS though is in fixed LEO and falls in the 8H, the other thing was my childhood attachments when I moved to Miami from the Dominican Republic that took me a long time to let go of and my 4H ruler is mars also in LEO conjunct VENUS and falls in my 8H, those are the only things that I had a very deep attachment to that took me a long time to let go of and I was NOT flowing with life during that time and was living in that past (4H) but other than those two things I don't' hold on to things and flow.

I should add that my Venus and mars conjunct my karma and vertex so I think I needed to learn about not living in the past and learning to let go with grace when a chapter in my life ends. It took me a while but I did learn to let go even in the context of my 5H and 4H rulers and Neptune is ultimately what helped me, along with my chart ruler Jupiter conjunct Uranus; cultivating letting go and detachment was what helped.

***Actually NEPTUNE was also a barrier for a long time, looking at things through rose colored glasses is a great recipe for nostalgia when you have 4H ruler conjunct VENUS in the 8H but ultimately the positive manifestation of Neptune in saggy and my moon in Pisces in the 3H is what helped along with Uranus conjuncting my chart ruler.

posted February 22, 2021 05:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Suspended_Matter:
Hi hypatia238,

You're welcome. You make a very good point in regards to the 5th and 11th houses. In fact, the 5th house is where creative ideas, theories, and plans are formulated.

The existence of one's talents, capabilities, and potentials (2nd house) are then used towards affectivities in creative ideas, inventions, schemes, hopes, enjoyments, dreams and plans for the future to as it applies to self (in the 5th house) and to others in social/public planning (in the 11th house).

Whereas the 3rd and 9th houses pertain to information and knowledge that's been studied and learned, the fifth house (a fixed house of possession relating to the inner projection of the mind and spirit) takes that knowledge to formulate new and creative ideas, philosophies and plans for the future. It is more spontaneous with the free flow and association of ideas.

The eleventh house is where one springs off one's creative ideas and ideals to others in desire to bring about happiness, pleasure, a better outlook and shared ideals for the collective spirit of a group or people (collective mind and spirit). Hence, friendships and those with shared ideas, philosophies, and ideals can be found here in the 11th house. Unlike the 9th house that passes on shared knowledge that has been studied/learned, the 11th house is spontaneous and is where one can share a creative insight as it happens.

From an interpersonal perspective, the 11th house relates to unlimited potentials of what can be for the masses, of public campaigns and promises to deliver something to uplift the spirit of a people for the future.

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Really love how you are able to tap into the details while looking simultaneously at the bigger picture when you talk about the houses, I feel you have virgo/saggy maybe going on.

I love hearing you talk about the 5H and how it connects with the 11H, I am feeling more connected to my 5H lately since Tr Uranus is in my 5H cusp and I love it bc I am exploring this energy more in a non romantic way which is way more constructive but yes spontaneous and playful are keywords I feel with the 5H.

I have venus and mars in leo conjunct but I feel that I am having a more intuitive understanding of LEO lately and I think is the presence of Uranus in my 5H that is helping me understand that energy at a deeper level since it has been hanging out at the beginning of my 5H for a while now.

posted February 22, 2021 07:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Suspended_Matter:

In real life there is a constant blend and interplay between these (and all) houses and between houses related to existences and houses related to effects. The compartmentalization and explanation for each is there merely to help distinguish and identify where an influence is coming from, but when analyzing or interpreting it's best that all of the above factors be taken into their individual and collective context in seeing the whole, big picture as it relates to each unique and individualized horoscope. .

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Yes ofcourse you have to look at the whole chart but we start threads here to have a discussion and you have to focus in on something to have a discussion.

Astrobank has Einstein's chart with Uranus ruling his 9H and falling in his 3H which I feel fits him well, specially when you factor in that Uranus opposes his Jupiter in Aquarius in the 9H, it makes sense both his 3H and 9H have Uranus influence and that Jupiter in Aquarius fall in his 9H.

http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Einstein,_Albert

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What is interesting about him is that his intercepted sign in scorpio in the 5H has a beautiful out!

His PLUTO which is intercepted in Taurus is the apex of a tsquare between his Jupiter opposite Uranus. That is pretty remarkable how the interception expressed itself for him in his life and how it impacted the world. You see this in action with the ruler of his intercepted scorpio falling in his 11H but also becoming the focus of his Jupiter opposite Uranus aspect since it forms a T-square with that opposition.

posted February 22, 2021 08:47 PM              

He had a definite imaginative and intuitive side to him, and yet, I see Mercury as very strong in Aries; after all, it is the Sign of the head i.e. the intellect and more left brain mind.

Having Libra Moon and strong Venus, I've known a fair amount of people with strong Aries, and it's one of the more pigeon holed Signs on average in some ways. People often describe it in very two dimensional ways, but I've noticed that there is often a definite Mercury like side to people with strong Aries, and the only thing I can attribute to that pattern, is that Aries rules/corresponds to the head.

I'm not "into" esoteric astrology. I gave it a fair chance and came to ultimately reject it, but it is interesting to note that in that system (specifically talking about Bailey's work), Mercury is said to be the higher, "esoteric", ruler of Aries. And in that specific case, I do think there is some kind of connection. (I don't agree with a lot of the other rulerships in that system).

Anyways, Mercury in Aries can indicate that one tends to have high mental/intellectual type abilities, and with Saturn involved, these could be indicated to be deepened (through increased focus, concentration, discipline, practice or the like, as well as potentially intellectual insecurity, which could motivate one to become better). It could also indicate some ethical and materialism issues as well.

posted February 23, 2021 08:52 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Really love how you are able to tap into the details while looking simultaneously at the bigger picture when you talk about the houses, I feel you have virgo/saggy maybe going on.

I love hearing you talk about the 5H and how it connects with the 11H, I am feeling more connected to my 5H lately since Tr Uranus is in my 5H cusp and I love it bc I am exploring this energy more in a non romantic way which is way more constructive but yes spontaneous and playful are keywords I feel with the 5H.

I have venus and mars in leo conjunct but I feel that I am having a more intuitive understanding of LEO lately and I think is the presence of Uranus in my 5H that is helping me understand that energy at a deeper level since it has been hanging out at the beginning of my 5H for a while now.

Will comment on Einstein later

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posted February 23, 2021 09:01 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Really love how you are able to tap into the details while looking simultaneously at the bigger picture when you talk about the houses, I feel you have virgo/saggy maybe going on.

I love hearing you talk about the 5H and how it connects with the 11H, I am feeling more connected to my 5H lately since Tr Uranus is in my 5H cusp and I love it bc I am exploring this energy more in a non romantic way which is way more constructive but yes spontaneous and playful are keywords I feel with the 5H.

I have venus and mars in leo conjunct but I feel that I am having a more intuitive understanding of LEO lately and I think is the presence of Uranus in my 5H that is helping me understand that energy at a deeper level since it has been hanging out at the beginning of my 5H for a while now.

Will comment on Einstein later

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Hi hypatia238,

Lol, thank you. I do have a strong Mercury, Uranus and Pluto aspects but also have a strong Pisces, Venus, Jupiter and Neptune elements, as well. I try to take all factors into consideration, both in detail and as a whole.

I am particularly mindful of this when attempting to analyze a person's horoscope, since each individual's horoscopes is just as complex, nuanced, and individualistic as him or her.

Kind Regards

posted February 23, 2021 09:26 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Yes ofcourse you have to look at the whole chart but we start threads here to have a discussion and you have to focus in on something to have a discussion.

Astrobank has Einstein's chart with Uranus ruling his 9H and falling in his 3H which I feel fits him well, specially when you factor in that Uranus opposes his Jupiter in Aquarius in the 9H, it makes sense both his 3H and 9H have Uranus influence and that Jupiter in Aquarius fall in his 9H.

http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Einstein,_Albert

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What is interesting about him is that his intercepted sign in scorpio in the 5H has a beautiful out!

His PLUTO which is intercepted in Taurus is the apex of a tsquare between his Jupiter opposite Uranus. That is pretty remarkable how the interception expressed itself for him in his life and how it impacted the world. You see this in action with the ruler of his intercepted scorpio falling in his 11H but also becoming the focus of his Jupiter opposite Uranus aspect since it forms a T-square with that opposition.

Then you see his Mars in Capricorn trining his pluto adding ambition and drive and helping him make something beautiful out of that tsquare and giving him the drive and discipline to work with intercepted ruler in a productive way.

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Hi hypatia238,

We are total agreement about focusing in on something in the chart. What I was merely saying was to look at that element both individually and collectively (in detail and as part of greater whole in a horoscope).

With regard to Einstein’s chart shown on Astrodatabank, that is the correct physical birth time. However, I work with Incarnation Times (or those that Edgar Cayce mentioned in his readings).

There is a mathematical basis and algorithm for when spirit (or the cosmic code) enters an infant’s body, and that moment occurs during the period of labor—anywhere from a few minutes before the physical birth time to as far as 5-and-a-half hours back (maximum).

Depending on the exact moment of incarnation, that changes the Ascendant sign to one of two options: (1) either at an earlier degree of the same Rising sign shown according to the physical birth time or (2) one of the two signs preceding it.

Hence, if a person has Leo rising according to his or her physical birth time, that person’s actual Ascendant would be at an earlier degree of Leo, in Cancer, or in Gemini.

Edgar Cayce talked about this in many of his readings on astrology that gave reference to “spiritual birth times”—and that the majority of horoscopes were off by one or two Ascendant signs (this would take out of consideration the sidereal zodiac, which goes back up to one not two signs).

When I say spiritual or spirit entering an infant’s body, I don’t mean the actual soul. I mean the cosmic or astrological template entering an infant body’s major endocrine glands (or what is known in many spiritual circles as the chakras). The soul overseas this process as it makes that choice as its contract of life (on earth) between it and the Universal Mind or God.

Once that cosmic template is sealed into the infant body, the astrological template and horoscope becomes instantly effective! The soul then enters afterwards during the physical birth because the physical birth is the very important and necessary means by which the soul enters and expresses itself in a physical body and material world.

The living “human” biological organism that grows from the period of gestation to the point of physical birth entry into the world is now reincarnated with its spiritual and soul force. The vibrational frequencies of that body is what has ((((called fourth))) and attracted a particular soul to enter.

The speed at which the Incarnation (or spiritual birth) time takes place happens instantaneously—in a flash, or less than a second (approximately 16 microseconds = 0.00001613). Hence, the reason for the universe’s mathematical (or algorithmic) basis for when spirit enters an infant body. It must be calculated because the ability to capture or measure such a moment is too fast for analog or clock times.

Example of Incarnation Times for Albert Einstein:

https://incarntology.com/wp-content/uploads/Incarnation-Times-for-ALBERT-EINSTEIN-1.pdf

Upon testing all significant events in his life, the 25° 13' Gemini ASC was confirmed to be the correct Incarnation Time for Albert Einstein. Secondary progressions for every life event tested were accompanied by astrological aspects that matched the nature and timing of the event in question within 9 minutes or less (00° 09'). The major were aspects were between 0 to 7 minutes (00° 00' to 00° 07').

This is the always the case when the correct Incarnation Time/horoscope is chosen, not just with Einstein's. For instance, I calculated Ayn Rand's Incarnation Time even though there was/is no reported physical birth time for her. Her rising sign is Virgo, and Mercury is in Capricorn in her 5th house:

https://incarntology.com/2020/05/13/idealist-philosopher-mind-machine-ayn-rand/

She also has her 3rd/9th houses intercepted, which coincided with her career as a writer/novelist (intercepted houses show career potentials and are indicative of one's life calling).

posted February 23, 2021 04:21 PM              

Just wanted to add that Cayce's guidance not only talked about the Soul completing the energetic connections to the body before the physical birth, but also talked about it happening after the physical birth.

For example, in Gladys Davis's case (case number 288), it was mentioned that her Soul waited quite awhile after her body was born, to complete the energetic connections. It was something like a half day. Unfortunately, I don't think the exact time of spiritual was pointed out. If I remember correctly, her physical birth time gave a Sagittarius Rising.

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posted February 23, 2021 06:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
The 9th house is more deeply intellectual than the 3rd.

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I think they are interconnected, details versus broader knowledge, connecting all the details together is 9h/Jupiter, you cannot have that broader knowledge or connect the details together if you are not picking up on the details to start with, you have to focus in on something to hone a skill which feels more 3rd house and the 9th house then sees how all the parts are working together and comes up with a broader theory.

These threads always start focusing in on something about the chart and then a discussion happens and you broaden it from there and end up looking at the whole chart.

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posted February 23, 2021 06:29 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
I am extremely familiar with the Edgar Cayce work.

Just wanted to add that Cayce's guidance not only talked about the Soul completing the energetic connections to the body before the physical birth, but also talked about it happening after the physical birth.

For example, in Gladys Davis's case (case number 288), it was mentioned that her Soul waited quite awhile after her body was born, to complete the energetic connections. It was something like a half day. Unfortunately, I don't think the exact time of spiritual was pointed out. If I remember correctly, her physical birth time gave a Sagittarius Rising.

Back when I was looking into it, I remember figuring that a very late Cancer, strong cusping Leo ASC fit her pretty well holistically, and with her Moon in Sag, the Leo blending in, and her Aqua Sun opposing the ASC, it indicated an increase in her height and hip size over what Cancer ASC normally indicates. Also fits her personality pretty well, as well as some synastric connections (especially with Edgar Cayce who was said to be her twin soul). She was an odd admixture of nurturing, feminine, receptive, sensitive, and yet also quite feisty, independent, probably slightly tipped to the extroverted side of spectrum, and fairly Yang balanced.

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Hi GalacticCoreExplosion (love the name!!!),

This is fascinating to hear, and I was always intrigued by her as a person and about her relationship with/to Edgar Cayce. She was a fascinating and exceptionally capable woman. I wonder what her astrological connection to Edgar Cayce shows; or, for that matter, what her exact Ascendant was. I need to do a bit of digging to see what I can find in regards to her birth data. All I know so far is that she was born on January 30, 1905 in Centreville, Alabama. I have to do more research to obtain all information possible before testing a number of horoscopes to find out.

I think what you said about her possibly having Sagittarius rising might be right. I was saying to myself that she looks as if she has a mutable sign rising. What you said about a possible late Cancer rising is interesting because John Willner, the man who taught me everything I know about Incarnation Times calculated Edgar Cayce’s Incarnation Time back in 1998 in his book, Astrological Revelations, which has Cayce’s Ascendant at 20° 22 of Cancer, with Moon conjunct Neptune in Taurus in the 10th house, and the Sun, Venus, Saturn, and Mercury in the 9th trine his ASC.

Thanks for mentioning this, GalacticCoreExplosion! You’ve just gave me a new project to work on, lol. I'll share here anything new I come up with pertaining to Gladys Davis Turner astro info.

Kind Regards,
Shaun

posted February 23, 2021 06:39 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I think they are interconnected, details versus broader knowledge, connecting all the details together is 9h/Jupiter, you cannot have that broader knowledge or connect the details together if you are not picking up on the details to start with, you have to focus in on something to hone a skill which feels more 3rd house and the 9th house then sees how all the parts are working together and comes up with a broader theory.

These threads always start focusing in on something about the chart and then a discussion happens and you broaden it from there and end up looking at the whole chart.

For example, you first learn as much as you can about the 3H and the 9H and then you look at how it ties in to the chart and the rest of the houses but you need the specialized knowledge first to expand from there or you look at it broadly first I suppose and then tap into the details but the two houses are interconnected so to get a clear understanding on something the two have to work together if not you will miss a lot is how I see it, its an axis after all, I feel the houses are an axis because they are interconnected, issues with one part of the axis impacts the expression of the other part of the axis and so on.

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Excellent point, hypatia238! And you're right on target with your analysis!

posted February 23, 2021 06:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
They are very different realms of the mind.

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Hi Ami Anne,

You make a great point! The 9th house is where you teach others and requires a broader perspective and understanding of subjects since it relates to shared knowledge and experiences (i.e., getting an understanding of things from multiple perspectives and people) as opposed to personal learning and perspectives back in the 3rd house.

posted February 23, 2021 06:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Suspended_Matter:
Excellent point, hypatia238! And you're right on target with your analysis!

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Thank you!

I have really enjoyed talking with you about the houses and how they are interconnected, I definitely gained a lot from you sharing your knowledge and how you connect the different houses together.

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posted February 23, 2021 09:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Thank you, Suspended. You are a great addition here

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posted February 25, 2021 04:19 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Thank you!

I have really enjoyed talking with you about the houses and how they are interconnected, I definitely gained a lot from you sharing your knowledge and how you connect the different houses together.

I can tell you have a calling for teaching, you can run classes and workshops effectively and help people learn and make connections.

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Thank you, hypatia238!

I enjoy talking to you and others here as well and I’m glad to be of service.

Kind Regards,
Shaun

posted February 25, 2021 04:26 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:

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Thank you, Ami Anne! It is my pleasure to help others any way I can.

posted February 25, 2021 07:23 AM            

“Personal experience would be the 3H, theory would be the 9H”
I actually disagree with this... it’s backward.

3H is impersonal, ~ impersonating, Mercury. Hasn’t even-yet stepped into the 4H [of the personal].

From/after personal - experience (Scorpio-Sagittarius), I will need to reflect more on how to explain to the best of my knowledge what I mean by this.

Einstein’s placement was a perfect example of his knowledge-9L into 3H of impersonal theory (lol of relativity).

Brb

Example: say you go traveling [by plane], did your entire cul-de-sac go with you? Absolutely not. Also, when you arrived there (alone), what/who now without any given reference or construct? Personal experience — 10H is contribution after the fact

Knowledge comes from the Greek word Gnosis, signifying knowing through observation or experience. Let’s keep the ancient science and law of astrology in agreement

Technically, 3H rules communication (an image, imagination) while 5H rules learning and education. most people I know with packed 3Hs are the ones pretty concerned about their image, and I don’t mean looks.

posted February 25, 2021 12:57 PM            

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Originally posted by vansio:
I haven’t the chance to read through all the comments but what comes to mind @hypatia is how much of your Gemini [b]North Node is already partial to (by default projecting) one of these houses, thus enabling these particular ideas (theory)? Since we have reverse nodes, naturally, I’m 9H oriented.

“Personal experience would be the 3H, theory would be the 9H”
I actually disagree with this... it’s backward.

3H is impersonal, ~ impersonating, Mercury. Hasn’t even-yet stepped into the 4H [of the personal].

From/after personal - experience (Scorpio-Sagittarius), I will need to reflect more on how to explain to the best of my knowledge what I mean by this.

Einstein’s placement was a perfect example of his knowledge-9L into 3H of impersonal theory (lol of relativity).

Brb

Example: say you go traveling [by plane], did your entire cul-de-sac go with you? Absolutely not. Also, when you arrived there (alone), what/who now without any given reference or construct? Personal experience — 10H is contribution after the fact

Knowledge comes from the Greek word Gnosis, signifying knowing through observation or experience. Let’s keep the ancient science and law of astrology in agreement

Technically, 3H rules communication (an image, imagination) while 5H rules learning and education. most people I know with packed 3Hs are the ones pretty concerned about their image, and I don’t mean looks.
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The 3H rules our immediate environment and is sandwiched in between the 2H and 4H. Personal experience does not refer to emotions or attachments, when I think of personal experience I think of meditating and having a spiritual experience while meditating, or getting on a roller coaster or eating something, I would say your senses are involved when we talk about personal experience so yes this can also include personal observation, a toddler explores consistently his/her environment and reaches out and touches all the objects around him and learns about the world this way through experience and direct contact with their environment. When this contact transfers for over to our caregiver who feeds us and gives us love which strengthens our immunological system we then move into the 4H.

My strongest planet is actually Neptune In Sagittarius conjuncting my AC in Sagittarius, my chart ruler is Jupiter conjunct Uranus exact in Sagittarius, my sun and mercury both fall in the 9th so I have a very strong Sagittarius and Jupiter influence in my chart. As for Gemini, I have northnode in Gemini and Moon in Pisces in the 3H and that is it so no I am not been biased bc I have northnode in gemini, my mercury in virgo in the 9th is trying to be as objective as possible about this.

posted February 25, 2021 01:11 PM            

Fussing over small, single sentence I respectfully (already) edited out is besides the point?

The point is about 3H communication/imagination vs 5H learning/education vs 9H knowledge in the traditional sense.

Chill, H. My 12H SN is Gemini (closely conjunct your NN if remember correctly). And like you I have the Mercury nodal-square, opposite yours. We’re both invested in this convo. And by no means will anything stop us from going in our respective directions. With behavioral bias, as it should be. Though, my SN-Ruler squares, your NN-Ruler squares—wonder the difference. I only pointed it out because I noticed (can relate to) an underlying instinct embedded in your topic. Questioning my objectivity only hurts the possibility to share what we both know AND imagine

Contention over the creative purpose between 3H and 5H is something I’m still mulling over. I’ll come back later. Good topic

For what it’s worth, here’s my own complex:
9H Sun and Saturn Aquarius
10H Pisces Mercury
5H Libra Jupiter
12H Gemini SN / 6H Sagittarius NN
(3H Chiron)

What other aspects/configurations elaborate your nodal rulers? I’m curious

mine are Mercury square Nodes, trine Pluto, sextile Uranus/Neptune, trine Ascendent/Mars, quincunx Jupiter (connecting the nodal rulers awkwardly, interesting.)

posted February 25, 2021 02:28 PM            

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[b]I didn’t insinuate he’s stupid at all. For a 5H solar fashion, I mentioned that the Leo President was widely-known as “educated”, whether that matters or not. Whereas Gemini Suns, geniuses (mavericks) like [our last president,] Prince, Kendrick Lamar or Andre3000, are notable for having highly-constructed, imaginary identities in the public eye.

Fussing over small, single sentence I respectfully (already) edited out is besides the point?

My point is about 3H communication/imagination vs 5H learning/education vs 9H knowledge.

Chill, H. My 12H SN is Gemini. And like you I have the Mercury nodal-square, opposite yours. We’re both invested in this convo. And by no means will anything stop us from going in our respective directions.

Contention over the creative purpose between 3H and 5H is something I’m still mulling over. I’ll come back later. Good topic[/B]

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I mean you got me thinking more about personal experience..it got me thinking about the 1H and 2H and how the 2H and 4H have the 3rd house sandwiched in there and what all that means in the context of personal experience.

Birth and coming to this world is a personal experience, the action of birth, then the second house makes me think a lot of our senses which also factors into personal experience but in the 3H we explore our environment and start to interact with it while still using our senses (2H) and the 4H which is our connection to our mother shows up in this process too as she is there to make us feel safe while we explore our environment (3H).

In the 2H I think of a toddler putting things in its mouth and been breast fed but in the 3H the toddler starts to explore its environment and move around, its more interactive and curiosity is highlighted more but it does it while mom is around making him/her feel safe (4H).

This foundation can then result in curiosity been taken to the next level when it enters the 5H, curiosity from the 3H combined with a secure attachment with parents (4H) then gives the child confidence to express itself when it interacts with the world and to become the creator, the child has the confidence now to create and may choose to do it as a hobby for fun or turn into a career (6H), but even manifesting your goals is a way of creating. If there is not a secure attachment, the child may still be able to create but there may be issues with this process, been too hard on themselves, not finishing projects they start, self sabotaging tendencies around the creative process.

I am looking at this from my psychology lenses and the stages of child development.

I definitely feel there is a strong relationship between the 3H and 5H, it would be fun to explore that more.

posted February 25, 2021 02:50 PM            

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For what it’s worth, here’s my own complex:
9H Sun and Saturn Aquarius
10H Pisces Mercury
5H Libra Jupiter
12H Gemini SN / 6H Sagittarius NN

What other aspects are to your Mercury skipped step? I’m curious

In breadth, mine are Mercury square Nodes, trine Pluto, sextile Uranus/Neptune, trine Ascendent/Mars, quincunx Jupiter (connecting the nodal rulers awkwardly, interesting.)

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In my case:

Sun in the 9th with mercury there
Mercury in virgo parallel pluto and juno
Jupiter conjunct Uranus in saggy in the 12H
12H saggy NN/6H gemini NN

Even though my NN is in Gemini in the 6H, mercury rules my DC, chiron and NN. I am a counselor and meet with people one on one (DC) and we talk (gemini) and that facilitates healing (chiron) and this is a service I provide (6H), put very simply.

Is interesting that we have reverse nodes and we are also working on balancing the same axis! I mean we both have NN in the 6H.