posted February 14, 2021 01:52 PM            

Are you more of a 3H person or 9H person, some people are a combo of both. I have mercury in virgo in the 9th house opposite Moon in the 3H squaring my nodes so I am a combo of both. Example, I have studied astrology for years in depth but also have a degree in Psychology. For whatever reason, part of my skipped step was to experience these both types of knowledge acquisition.

posted February 14, 2021 08:00 PM              

The former being more aligned with the everyday, more material oriented intellect, and the latter being potentially more aligned with the higher mind (intellect connected to the Higher self and FAR more intuitive). They are both more or less equally important, but it is far harder to develop the latter than the former. Or for a more material analogy, grade school work tends to be easier (intellect wise) than college/university work.

Mercury is of yellow to tan vibration primarily (and primarily the 3rd Center/Adrenals) and Jupiter purple (though Sag is more reddish purple, and Jupiter is closer to violet). I.e. Jupiter is significantly faster vibratory in nature than Mercury. But they need each other and are opposites and thus counter balances to each other.

My 9th House ruler, Mars, is conjunct Jupiter, trine Sun (ASC/"chart ruler") and Mercury, and widely square Neptune. No planet directly in the 9th though.

3rd House has Libra Pluto in same, with the ruler of 3rd, Venus (Angular) in Aquarius trine Pluto and sextile Sag Neptune -1 degree separation and somewhat closely square Angular Scorpio Uranus.

All in all, would say they are somewhat similarly highlighted.

Supporting a larger pattern, Mercury ruler of Virgo NN, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn is widely conjunct the Sun (ASC/"chart ruler") and trine, -1 degree, Jupiter, which is retrograding back into the 1st. Both intellect and higher mind are pretty developed and very well balanced/integrated with each other.

posted February 14, 2021 11:02 PM              

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They are both more or less equally important, but it is far harder to develop the latter than the former.

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But they need each other and are opposites and thus counter balances to each other.

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Hopefully you see that we are actually in agreement/alignment on this for the most part. I just think that is far easier to attune to and channel Mercurial type archetypes and patterns than it is the Jupitarian archetypes and patterns in this world. (It's even harder to balance, integrate, and merge them, but THAT is where the real Gold can be found).

I mean look at the world and the dominant belief systems that now most influence society. Much of the world and especially the power structures of same (i.e. business, banking, and government/politics), put the most emphasis on reductionist, materialistic science (Mercury) than things like spirituality, philosophy, etc (Jupiter). Yeah, some politicians still "pay lip service" to religion, but one often gets the sense that it is insincere and shallow. For an excellent example, many people either dislike and/or fear death, when death for most souls is a glorious rebirth into the more real and far lighter/happier realms. If we really knew what it was about, we would celebrate and welcome it, as did many ancient and/or indigenous cultures that weren't so Mercurial and material minded.

But yes, while Mercury needs Jupiter, Jupiter also needs Mercury to keep a better balance.

posted February 17, 2021 06:44 AM            

9H may have some wild subjects but our 3H is what allows us to make reasonable sense of the 9th. Without the 3H we wouldn't be able to exist in the physical world & without the 9th, life would be meaningless. Strong 3H people can be word geniuses with the gift of gab, or mathematicians. Lots of brilliant 3H skills. Especially these days where common sense is anything but. Having a strong 9H can be more difficult to navigate since subjects there are more philosophical, there is no 1+1=2 and so on, it is more intuitive.

I am the exact opposite from what GCE described. I have an unusually strong 9H & equally unusually weak 3H. The 9th is effortless to me, my mind is everywhere but the obvious. I have caused a few people to have mild panic attacks when I suggest a reality that is a little too real for some. Fortunately for those people my weakass 3H makes it almost always impossible to articulate my 9th to the fullest expression. So most of the time I get confused looks when I am talking in my 9H. So I learned to keep myself grounded as much as possible & try to use my 3H when talking. I became so ungrounded a few years back, I pretty much completely lost my ability to verbally communicate from about 2013 - 2016. 2016 was still really bad but I started re-learning to talk about that time.

In relationships I have always been drawn to strong 3H. I would have probably accidently walk into traffic or off a cliff without 3H people around me.

Because of my psychotic moon, I had to develop a ridiculous amount of emotional reasoning while practical logic had to take a backseat in order for me to survive. Last Summer I reached a point where my moon has been able to stabilize without an exhausting amount of mental energy to keep it in check. Since then I seem to be channeling all of that logic in practical ways now. It is awesome, you have no idea.

I have always admired people with that gift of gab and wished I could just say what I try to say. 99% of the time I end up insulting someone somehow, no matter what I am talking about, never intentionally, I just got a knack for it. Not sure if I will ever get my foot out of my mouth but oh well, love me or hate me, I am what I am.

I think any house has potential to be strong though, even the weakest traits we have, they are there for us to strengthen, we probably have more drive and will to develop our weak areas since they have held us back in those areas. at least in my situation.

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posted February 17, 2021 12:36 PM            

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Hopefully you see that we are actually in agreement/alignment on this for the most part.

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posted February 17, 2021 12:37 PM            

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Apples to oranges. I agree, 9H I don't think is "meatier" but I do think it is more vast since there are no boundaries, topics of discussion are infinite. Since a lot of these things are concepts & what not. Subjects here don't follow a formula, there is no definitive answer to these topics like 3H subjects. 3H is grounded in logic. Topics here are based around cold hard facts.

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posted February 17, 2021 01:59 PM            

i'm terrible with math for one thing (actual learning disability) for another much of my interest lies in spirituality, religion, the occult, philosophy and so on

i seek knowledge on my own and struggle to learn from other people, i have to do things myself or find things myself if i learn from someone it's in passing through conversation rather than structured environments

with guitar i'm self taught because i wanted to learn it and couldn't be taught it otherwise, if i want to know something i'll acquire knowledge

someone here mentioned hating textbooks, i don't mind them if they're interesting, like i used to like getting high and reading stuff on genetics and so on out of these textbooks i ended up with

generally speaking though occult and religion are major areas of interest and i've had plenty of spiritual experiences as well which i dig through and use to guide me with what i end up studying

i also have tried just experimenting with that sort of thing just to see what would happen and so on, it interests me far more than most things

but everything for the most part i'm self taught with and school was never something i actually learned from, i find institutions stifling and always have

my 3rd house cusp is sag my 9th house cusp is gemini

my uranus sextiles my venus/ascendant/south node, trines my leo mercury, trines my aries moon/descendant, and squares my pisces jupiter

my neptune trines my sun, sextiles pluto, and loosely conjuncts mars

mars loosely conjuncts my ic, squares my ascendant/descendantvenus/nodes/moon in addition to loosely conjuncting neptune

my chiron sextiles mercury, trines venus/ascendant/sourh node, sextiles my moon, squares my jupiter, and opposes my uranus

as for jupiter its only major aspects are the squares i mentioned, and a trine to my midheaven, it's got a loose aspect to my mercury might be inconjunct if i remember right

posted February 17, 2021 02:26 PM              

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i have a 3rd house stellium in placidus ( uranus, neptune, and mars) and a 9th house chiron and i can't really relate to the material knowledge bit

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Makes sense considering the nature of those two planets, which are more nonphysically focused than materially focused (especially Neptune).

I have Pluto in the 3rd. Then the ruler of the 3rd, Venus, is in Aquarius, Angular, and very closely trine Pluto and sextile Sag Neptune, and fairly closely square Angular Scorp Uranus.

Considering my Mercury aspects (strongly involving Jupiter), and also that my 9th House ruler is conjunct Jupiter, perhaps not too surprisingly, I've been far more focused on the spiritual and nonphysical side of things for most of my life. But I'm grateful that my intellect is still fairly honed and helps to balance out that side with logic, analytical process, some groundedness, etc. After all, Libra is on the 3rd, Mercury is in Cap, and Aries on the 9th (and including generally strong Mercury, very strong Cap, and moderately strong Virgo)--all more logic oriented despite all the psychic/nonphysical/intuitive type Planetary altering of those patterns considerably.

For folks that want to start to balance, integrate, and merge these sides more consciously, would suggest Hemi-Sync as an outside aid to facilitate that. Astrology and whole chart readings, of course are a great practice for it as well.

posted February 17, 2021 02:32 PM            

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Makes sense considering the nature of those two planets, which are more nonphysically focused than materially focused (especially Neptune).

I have Pluto in the 3rd. Then the ruler of the 3rd, Venus, is in Aquarius, Angular, and very closely trine Pluto and sextile Sag Neptune, and fairly closely square Angular Scorp Uranus.

Considering my Mercury aspects (strongly involving Jupiter), and also that my 9th House ruler is conjunct Jupiter, perhaps not too surprisingly, I've been far more focused on the spiritual and nonphysical side of things for most of my life. But I'm grateful that my intellect is still fairly honed and helps to balance out that side with logic, analytical process, some groundedness, etc. After all, Libra is on the 3rd, Mercury is in Cap, and Aries on the 9th (and including generally strong Mercury, very strong Cap, and moderately strong Virgo)--all more logic oriented despite all the psychic/nonphysical/intuitive type Planetary altering of those patterns considerably.

For folks that want to start to balance, integrate, and merge these sides more consciously, would suggest Hemi-Sync as an outside aid to facilitate that. Astrology and whole chart readings, of course are a great practice for it as well.

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yeah that's the thing isn't it? you need some level of groundedness in order to get anywhere with this sort of thing because you need to filter, but you can't be too grounded because you need to be able to let go too

lot of balance required

binaural beats and such are helpful yeah, though at a certain point i find them sort of 🤔 distracting i guess

posted February 17, 2021 03:30 PM              

Binaural beats facilitate a whole/integrated brain state between the left and right hemispheres. They are basically kind of forced to work together.

However, once such type of tech has facilitated a training in that area, it's not really needed anymore and can become limiting--unless you are constantly introducing new/different patterns to keep your brain on its toes so to speak (boy, that sure does sound funny, the whole keeping your brain on its toes..). But even then, once you've gotten that integration down in a practice sense, there really isn't much need for any outside facilitation anymore.

During meditation, it takes me about 10 minutes on average to get into a "Hemi-Sync" type state (without using it), and I can feel the moment when it all "clicks" (or rather, shifts) into place. It's about as palpable as driving a stick shift car and changing gears. I also often feel a general "expanding/rising" sensation around that time as well.

posted February 17, 2021 07:27 PM            

Idk which to take serious (I'm  using whole house here) my houses are different  between whole/Placidus.  (Pisces/Virgo in Placidus).

 - these links described my 3rd + 9th well, my notes below -
http://astrology.findyourfate.com/houses/9house.html http://astrology.findyourfate.com/houses/3house.html

  - 3rd -   Communication,  Mind, Intellect
"Aquarius as the third house in the natal chart indicates that you shall have an intuitive and intellect mind. You have your own individuality when it comes to writing and communicating your ideas. You are a very radical personality and you think beyond your times and means. You like learning new ideas that you do not club it as a source of earning monetary benefits. You like to learn a lot. However you are found to be nervous and shall speak your mind when the situation does not call for such an utterance."

  - 9th -  Spirituality,  Higher Learning
"With Leo as your 9th house, you would be full of vitality, pride and self--confidence in life. Your ideas are of lofty themes. Long distance travels appeal to you and travel is a staple for you much like food. You have abstract ideas related to spirituality. You like learning and research that you revel in the idea of being a learner all through your life. You are likely to enlighten others in your path of philosophy which are life's principles."

More areas involving learning:
3rd  Internet, Messengers,  Publications
9th Inspiration,  Inspired thoughts, visions,  mysticism

My notes:
With 3rd H,  I get  ah-ha type DLs. "communication  + mind" according to the chakra basis. (Pineal gland- chakra for me)
The info brought to me is otherworldly generally, 3rd eye (DLs). My Pallas is there too, *in the overlay of drac/natal Pallas is cnj my Mercury. This points me (self directed  - with outside self influence) to learning and it starts out hobby-ish but a lot of heavy topics cross my path that are deeply rooted to spirituality and philosophical concepts.

 - My chart ruler is Jupiter, he's  in my 12th. *whole house
(I feel it connects with the 9th in the subconscious and 3rd, via same way ~ unseen communication between 12/3) "unseen lines".

*Although nothing considered legitimate is in my 9th. I have Minerva 93 in there. She's a wisdom/intel goddess. Padua 363  (pineal), Mentor 3451 "friend, sage counselor " , Liberatrix  125   (books),

posted February 18, 2021 12:04 AM            

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Girl my chart ruler is jupiter too and falls in my 12H! We are chart ruler sisters

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posted February 18, 2021 10:56 PM            

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You're a sag rising too? I never knew that!

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posted February 21, 2021 11:43 AM            

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My thoughts: I don't personally feel the 9th house is more meatier in knowledge and material than the 3H. A lot of people with a strong 3H presence are very knowledgeable and very intelligent but they tend to be more self taught and don't go through the educational system, in fact I see them more as independent thinkers. I see the 3H as someone who learns for fun for the pure joy of it and because they have such curiosity and thirst for it. With the 9th house curiosity and joy of learning is still there but is more connected to the 10th house and a desire for achievement or to pursue a career. The 3rd house I see it more connected to the 5th house and learning and knowledge is more for fun and as a hobby but they can dig super deep. Makes me think of youtubers who share their knowledge and teach in an informal setting as opposed to the 9th house which makes me think of professors and formal education.

Are you more of a 3H person or 9H person, some people are a combo of both. I have mercury in virgo in the 9th house opposite Moon in the 3H squaring my nodes so I am a combo of both. Example, I have studied astrology for years in depth but also have a degree in Psychology. For whatever reason, part of my skipped step was to experience these both types of knowledge acquisition.

Maybe this is my own bias but I admire people heavy in the 3H as I feel their knowledge seeking is more intrinsically motivated. You also have to admit the 9H makes you jump through a lot of hoops and requires discipline and follow through but you are also letting others tell you how to think (e.g perhaps this is the shadow side of the 9th house) while with the 3H there is less of that and more room for you to come up with your own conclusions on things.

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posted February 21, 2021 11:46 AM            

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My thoughts: I don't personally feel the 9th house is more meatier in knowledge and material than the 3H. A lot of people with a strong 3H presence are very knowledgeable and very intelligent but they tend to be more self taught and don't go through the educational system, in fact I see them more as independent thinkers. I see the 3H as someone who learns for fun for the pure joy of it and because they have such curiosity and thirst for it. With the 9th house curiosity and joy of learning is still there but is more connected to the 10th house and a desire for achievement or to pursue a career. The 3rd house I see it more connected to the 5th house and learning and knowledge is more for fun and as a hobby but they can dig super deep. Makes me think of youtubers who share their knowledge and teach in an informal setting as opposed to the 9th house which makes me think of professors and formal education.

Are you more of a 3H person or 9H person, some people are a combo of both. I have mercury in virgo in the 9th house opposite Moon in the 3H squaring my nodes so I am a combo of both. Example, I have studied astrology for years in depth but also have a degree in Psychology. For whatever reason, part of my skipped step was to experience these both types of knowledge acquisition.

Maybe this is my own bias but I admire people heavy in the 3H as I feel their knowledge seeking is more intrinsically motivated. You also have to admit the 9H makes you jump through a lot of hoops and requires discipline and follow through but you are also letting others tell you how to think (e.g perhaps this is the shadow side of the 9th house) while with the 3H there is less of that and more room for you to come up with your own conclusions on things.

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Hi hypatia238,

The third house relates to personal learning, rehearsals, preparations, experiences, local affairs, induction, and knowledge that one acquires as part of one’s inner (or personal) existences.

The ninth house takes what one has learned, studied, rehearsed and experienced back in the third house and shares that knowledge and experience with others as part of one’s outer existences and experiences with others. It is the house of communication en masse, so things pertaining to the news, higher education, publishing, public testing, sources of information, actors, performers, the travel industry, laws applicable to the many for the purpose of cooperative (mutable) relationships among people, and social media all encompass the ninth house.

The third and ninth houses represent inner and outer existences of experiences. The application or deduction of knowledge and experiences are to be found in the sixth and twelfth houses of personal and social consequences.

When the induction of learning, experiencing, and gaining knowledge is applied via deduction, it moves to the 6th house of personal affectivity to the extent that it’s applied towards personal work, accomplishments and services that benefit oneself. Or it moves to the 12th house of social affectivity to the extent that it’s applied towards services and benefits to others/humanity. One can serve humanity in a good way by leaving something to posterity for humankind or in a bad way such as serving jail time for crimes committed against humanity.

As the last house of major consequence, the 12th house represents the accumulated application of all past knowledge and experience either in service to, for, or against humanity. If an individual has done well, made a positive impact upon the world, and fulfilled his or spiritual purpose, the soul of that individual then exits this solar system in soul development toward Arcturus or Polaris.

Each house and its opposite is a mirror image of the other and represents the yin and yang of life. There is also an existences quadrant of life and an effects (or consequences) quadrant of life to every horoscope, both inwardly and outwardly (as well as a present, future and past-tense orientation), to keep in mind. The positive or negative manifestations depend on the types of choices made by an individual and his or her degree of development.

posted February 21, 2021 12:11 PM            

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Hi hypatia238,

The third house relates to personal learning, rehearsals, preparations, experiences, local affairs, induction, and knowledge that one acquires as part of one’s inner (or personal) existences.

The ninth house takes what one has learned, studied, rehearsed and experienced back in the third house and shares that knowledge and experience with others as part of one’s outer existences and experiences with others. It is the house of communication en masse, so things pertaining to the news, higher education, publishing, public testing, sources of information, actors, performers, the travel industry, laws applicable to the many for the purpose of cooperative (mutable) relationships among people, and social media all encompass the ninth house.

The third and ninth houses represent inner and outer existences of experiences. The application or deduction of knowledge and experiences are to be found in the sixth and twelfth houses of personal and social consequences.

When the induction of learning, experiencing, and gaining knowledge is applied via deduction, it moves to the 6th house of personal affectivity to the extent that it’s applied towards personal work, accomplishments and services that benefit oneself. Or it moves to the 12th house of social affectivity to the extent that it’s applied towards services and benefits to others/humanity. One can serve humanity in a good way by leaving something to posterity for humankind or in a bad way such as serving jail time for crimes committed against humanity.

As the last house of major consequence, the 12th house represents the accumulated application of all past knowledge and experience either in service to, for, or against humanity. If an individual has done well, made a positive impact upon the world, and fulfilled his or spiritual purpose, the soul of that individual then exits this solar system in soul development toward Arcturus or Polaris.

Each house and its opposite is a mirror image of the other and represents the yin and yang of life. There is also an existences quadrant of life and an effects (or consequences) quadrant of life to every horoscope, both inwardly and outwardly (as well as a present, future and past-tense orientation), to keep in mind. The positive or negative manifestations depend on the types of choices made by an individual and his or her degree of development.

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Thanks for sharing. I like the inner experience and now lets share it with the world perspective on it. All the houses are in a axis and deal with polarities for sure.

I also like to look at the shadow side of the 9th house since I have mercury in virgo RX in the 9th and parallel pluto and Juno squaring my nodes, sadly we live in a world were truth is often manipulated into lies and then shared with the world.

I like how you tied it to the 6th house and 12th house, I feel it can also be tied to the 5th house and 11th house depending on the person and type of knowledge.

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In the training I took recently the instructor started the training by speaking of a model that is like a triangle on one side is personal experience, on the other is theory and on the other is observation. All three come together and are important to integrate to be able to pass down knowledge.

posted February 21, 2021 01:59 PM            

You're welcome. You make a very good point in regards to the 5th and 11th houses. In fact, the 5th house is where creative ideas, theories, and plans are formulated.

The existence of one's talents, capabilities, and potentials (2nd house) are then used towards affectivities in creative ideas, inventions, schemes, hopes, enjoyments, dreams and plans for the future to as it applies to self (in the 5th house) and to others in social/public planning (in the 11th house).

Whereas the 3rd and 9th houses pertain to information and knowledge that's been studied and learned, the fifth house (a fixed house of possession relating to the inner projection of the mind and spirit) takes that knowledge to formulate new and creative ideas, philosophies and plans for the future. It is more spontaneous with the free flow and association of ideas.

The eleventh house is where one springs off one's creative ideas and ideals to others in desire to bring about happiness, pleasure, a better outlook and shared ideals for the collective spirit of a group or people (collective mind and spirit). Hence, friendships and those with shared ideas, philosophies, and ideals can be found here in the 11th house. Unlike the 9th house that passes on shared knowledge that has been studied/learned, the 11th house is spontaneous and is where one can share a creative insight as it happens.

From an interpersonal perspective, the 11th house relates to unlimited potentials of what can be for the masses, of public campaigns and promises to deliver something to uplift the spirit of a people for the future.

As an example, in the case of Albert Einstein's chart:

https://incarntology.com/wp-content/uploads/ALBERT-EINSTEIN-1.gif

You can see that his 5th/11th houses are intercepted. Intercepted house pairs are indicative of career potentials or one's life calling (provided the chart is correct and reflective of one's true ASC). In his case, he was a scientist and inventor who constantly shared his new ideas and theories to others/the world. His the ideas and theories that were shared with others (Pisces on 11th house cusp) had a huge impact upon the world-at-large and became the basis of his reputation (Jupiter in 10th and conjunct and parallel the MC).

Virgo on his 5th house cusp indicated meticulous and pioneering thinking (Mercury in Aries) in the formation of personal ideas and theories, which were revolutionary at the time.

Uranus in his fourth house coincided with his status as a scientist and professor (Uranus' co-rulership of his 9th house Aquarius). A scientist as prominent as him is expected to have a prominent Uranus. Prominence occurs when a planet is located in a cardinal house (1st, 4th, 7th, or 10th), is cojunct/parallel a major angle, or is conjunct, parallel, contraparallel one of the lights (the Sun or Moon).

Neptune's parallel to his Uranus contributed intuitive insight to scientific reasoning.

Pluto in the twelfth house can indicate a polymath or problem solver whose intricate accomplishments, benefits, and legacy to society include an increased or enhanced awareness or perception of interrelated conditions.

In real life there is a constant blend and interplay between these (and all) houses and between houses related to existences and houses related to effects. The compartmentalization and explanation for each is there merely to help distinguish and identify where an influence is coming from, but when analyzing or interpreting it's best that all of the above factors be taken into their individual and collective context in seeing the whole, big picture as it relates to each unique and individualized horoscope. .

posted February 21, 2021 04:46 PM            

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3H makes me think of a toddler exploring its environment, filled with curiosity, wanting to grab everything.

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Because it is :) 3H describes us as children too (age 0 to 12 if I'm not mistaken), and that period of life when we (more or less) form all our likes and dislikes (hence "pure fun, joy and curiosity and exploration" as you said). It determines our ability to be happy / overall capacity for happiness. The 5H depends on 3H. Though, I would say that 3H affects the expression of every single house. I noticed that I communicate my houses in accordance with my 3H cusp sign, with few modifications.