posted April 07, 2021 12:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
I agree that delusion could play out in different ways. Neptune didn't get discovered until the 1846. So if we use Neptune as the sole planet of illusion, does that mean humans were not deluded or delusional before 1846? That is obviously unsound, so there are other aspects in the chart that would point to delusion.

But this is different from the assertion that MOST people are deluded. if most people are indeed deluded, then it must be part of the human condition, an aspect that must be found in most chart, and we really cannot say in astrology that there is a particular aspect that can be found in most chart. I can't think of one. Therefore, the statement about most people being deluded has to be metaphysical/spiritual/esoteric one. Not an astrological perspective statement.

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The discovery of a planet brings it into the conscious awareness of humans, whereas (previously) it had been influencing them 100% via the subconscious.

posted April 07, 2021 02:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
The discovery of a planet brings it into the conscious awareness of humans, whereas (previously) it had been influencing them 100% via the subconscious.

And, it could be the presence of a planet (such as Neptune) rather than an aspect in every person's natal chart which indicates astrologically that "most people are deluded".

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That's a good point, Graham.

The question becomes, what brings up a planet to our conscious awareness? My answer is, when it shows societal repercussions on a grand scale, when it starts to shape society as a whole.

for instance, we can say that Neptune's discovery coincided with the first emergence of large scale substance addiction. Opium consumption in china rose to unprecedented levels around that time. Since then, we can say that substance abuse has been one of the scourges of society.

posted April 07, 2021 02:36 AM            

This event set the stage for the Russian October Revolution and all the subsequent marxist revolutions.

posted April 08, 2021 01:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
That's a good point, Graham.

The question becomes, what brings up a planet to our conscious awareness? My answer is, when it shows societal repercussions on a grand scale, when it starts to shape society as a whole.

for instance, we can say that Neptune's discovery coincided with the first emergence of large scale substance addiction. Opium consumption in china rose to unprecedented levels around that time. Since then, we can say that substance abuse has been one of the scourges of society.

But just having Neptune in a chart does not mean most people are deluded. though I think it may mean that most people are deluded about something in their lives.

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In the context of your first two paragraphs (quoted above), Neptune is particularly interesting ... as (I believe) there were opportunities for it to be discovered in 1613, 1795 and 1830.

In 1613, the UK Globe Theatre was destroyed by a fire - and that appears to have ended the playwriting success of William Shakespeare ... http://www.historyextra.com/period/elizabethan/globe-theatre-fire-london-shakespeare-william-facts/

In 1795, Pinckney's Treaty [Treaty of San Lorenzo]was signed by Spain and US, establishing the southern boundary of the US and giving Americans right to navigate the Mississippi River

In 1830, USA President Andrew Jackson signed the Indian Removal Act ( http://www.onthisday.com/photos/trail-of-tears ) ... : that year saw the start of radical reforms in the UK ( http://www.historyhome.co.uk/peel/refact/1830genel.htm ) and lots of other notable events occurred ( https://www.onthisday.com/events/date/1830 )

posted April 08, 2021 02:07 AM            

I have noticed there is always synchronicity between the name of the planet given by astronomers (who are not even astrologers), and the astrological significance.