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posted April 05, 2021 03:48 PM            

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Sounds a bit harsh, but according to the spiritual tradition of Dzogchen, including much of Tibetan Buddhism, most sentient beings are deluded because the nature of Mind goes unrecognized and appearances, perceptions, thoughts, etc. get misapprehended and reified into self and other, internal and external, etc. Not realizing that ‘nature’ is the inseparability of awareness, emptiness, and clarity. How does that translate astrologically?

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posted April 05, 2021 04:27 PM            

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NePTOON(toon .. car toon) all the way. Most definitely.
I believe it can be a very seductive planet. Offering calm, healing and dreaming but one loses themselves with too much of this quality - we perceive much differently. I know too well. Been trapped in that state far too often. I recognize it though. That is most the battle. Knowing when you are stuck in the trance.

Incidentally, your words hit me for the first time I noticed NATURE more prominent in wording. MATURE is just before nature M,> N .. we must first mature to drink in any NATURE or face the immature usages of any nature to bring any delusions. Alice in Wonderland has that lesson iir.
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posted April 05, 2021 05:58 PM            

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So true. Neptune is illusion, but lovely at the same time.

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posted April 05, 2021 07:12 PM            

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I think its due to the age were in, Pisces. I think Pisces is the worst sign and Scorpio comes second. Both water signs which have a reputation for being deluded.

Plus the powers that be eat people's gifts and wisdom up for themselves. Jesus does this through his religion Christianity. But if you really know your religions, Christianity is the biggest hoax in the world. There is no way Jesus was the Son of God in a time when showers and basic hygiene wasn't around. For Gods son to be alive he needs good hygiene.

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posted April 05, 2021 07:34 PM            

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No.

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posted April 05, 2021 07:47 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
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No what?

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posted April 05, 2021 07:58 PM            

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ikr she's testing our telepathic connections today.

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posted April 05, 2021 08:00 PM            

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I would express it this way:

As humans we may be more comfortable with Saturnian than Plutonian energy - we fear the power of death, & the unknowability of the patterns of destruction/regeneration in nature, so we seek refuge in the illusion we can know & control/gain power over all things including one another

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posted April 05, 2021 08:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Nadereme:
No what?

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I answered the question in the subject line.

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posted April 05, 2021 08:01 PM            

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ikr she's testing our telepathic connections today.

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sorry.

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posted April 05, 2021 08:20 PM            

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posted April 05, 2021 08:49 PM            

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If the most sentient beings are deluded, there’s no a single aspect for it. We’re all deluded in our own way. The astrology might be our delusion also to give us sense as we can predict future.

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posted April 05, 2021 09:32 PM            

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Nadereme, do you think that you are deluded?

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posted April 05, 2021 09:34 PM            

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I think its due to the age were in, Pisces. I think Pisces is the worst sign and Scorpio comes second. Both water signs which have a reputation for being deluded.

Plus the powers that be eat people's gifts and wisdom up for themselves. Jesus does this through his religion Christianity. But if you really know your religions, Christianity is the biggest hoax in the world. There is no way Jesus was the Son of God in a time when showers and basic hygiene wasn't around. For Gods son to be alive he needs good hygiene.

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Well, I could partly agree with you there (I’m not religious). I think we can all be deluded at times, but not all of us, all the time.

I don’t think that anyone wants me to rant about Qanon again, that’s why I stuck with the one-word answer. I’m also not in the mood to expand on it, anyway. No more than this.

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posted April 06, 2021 12:04 AM            

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They are talking about the delusion of what Hinduism calls Maya. The delusion that we are a body and that this world we live in is very real.

Even the bible, when looked at esoterically, in Genesis, God put Adam to sleep, supposedly to fashion woman out of his side, but no where does it say that God woke up Adam. So theoretically, humanity is asleep in a dream.

Not sure how astrology could show that we are deluded, since astrology is also an illusion.

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posted April 06, 2021 12:14 AM            

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"Dzogchen has the reputation of being a direct, effortless path of just settling into mind’s natural state. Although it is true that just by recognizing what is happening in our cognitive experience, conceptual thoughts and all other levels of limited awareness cease and our minds give rise to our pure appearance with all the complete faculties of a Buddha, none of that can possibly happen unless we have put in a tremendous amount of effort in this and previous lives on all the sutra and tantra preliminaries. We must not be naive and underestimate the difficulty of dzogchen practice. With sufficient preparation, however, it is one of the most profound methods for attaining enlightenment for the benefit of all." ... http://studybuddhism.com/en/tibetan-buddhism/tantra/mahamudra-dzogchen/what-is-dzogchen

Psychological Astrology provides a mechanism for those raised in western cultures/societies to recognise (and free themselves from) their instinctive/habitual/childhood conditioned behaviours. ... Thus, it can (perhaps) open a door for the subsequent practice of dzogchen - but "we must not be naive and underestimate the difficulty of opening doors/minds that have been closed by living in a western culture/society".

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posted April 06, 2021 12:18 AM            

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@Belage ~
Gaia and us within our mother Gaia's womb. As well Maya sometimes means Matrix and the womb by an ob gyn uses that term. This has been a thought biblically to me as of late.The story of Jonah in the Whale - (I've no recall of which book it comes from though) Whale as Earth or as Gaia I still feel this would fall into Neptune area. Waters are part of mother's womb, protective of embryos. Idk that a dry planet, electric one or any other body could fit so well with "illusions".

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posted April 06, 2021 12:39 AM            

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Oh, I missed the “why?” In the subject, on my iPad. Whatever. I don’t think that most people are.

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posted April 06, 2021 03:16 AM            

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It is part of the play to get deluded IMO when one is deluded one should enjoy getting deluded coz once the bubble bursts one does not get the chance to enjoy it anymore IME. The whole astrology is part of the play in which you get to play a specific character(aka the different birth charts), and the way to get out is given in the chart itself , if one plays the part given in the chart to its utmost potential the delusion itself might end IMO. I do not know whether this answers your query or not, let's just enjoy the show...

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posted April 06, 2021 07:44 AM            

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They are talking about the delusion of what Hinduism calls Maya. The delusion that we are a body and that this world we live in is very real.

Even the bible, when looked at esoterically, in Genesis, God put Adam to sleep, supposedly to fashion woman out of his side, but no where does it say that God woke up Adam. So theoretically, humanity is asleep in a dream.

Not sure how astrology could show that we are deluded, since astrology is also an illusion.

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Perhaps but not exclusively afflicted aspects to Sun, Moon, Ascendent, and Mercury? Delusion seems to play out in different ways.

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posted April 06, 2021 10:27 AM            

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Spiritual evolution, AKA the path to enlightenment is riddled with pain, blood and takes us to what we feel is hell.

Disintegrating the lies, the false self, it is a painful process for all. We cannot grow if we are too comfy.

Naturally, most people would prefer comfort and a feeling of security, sometimes even if it means their own demise.

When you have a majority of people who are all for comfort and conformity, acceptance, then trying to evolve spiritually would mean cutting yourself off socially from the herd in some way, which creates loneliness.
People, being social creatures by nature, find this to be as bad as a death sentence.

Essentially it is codependence based on fear. Bondage which enslaves humanity. Saturnian prison.

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posted April 06, 2021 01:39 PM            

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People won't face their own darkness

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Gaia and us within our mother Gaia's womb. As well Maya sometimes means Matrix and the womb by an ob gyn uses that term. This has been a thought biblically to me as of late.The story of Jonah in the Whale - (I've no recall of which book it comes from though) Whale as Earth or as Gaia I still feel this would fall into Neptune area. Waters are part of mother's womb, protective of embryos. Idk that a dry planet, electric one or any other body could fit so well with "illusions".

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That was good. I agree with you. If I had to name one planet for illusion and delusion, it would be Neptune.

Neptune not only rules water, it also rules celluloid movies, films, fog, magic, sleight of hand, smoke and mirrors, anything make belief, dreams and otherwordliness but also on the negative side, scams, machinations, addictions, deception, victimization and martyrdom.

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Perhaps but not exclusively afflicted aspects to Sun, Moon, Ascendent, and Mercury? Delusion seems to play out in different ways.

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I agree that delusion could play out in different ways. Neptune didn't get discovered until the 1846. So if we use Neptune as the sole planet of illusion, does that mean humans were not deluded or delusional before 1846? That is obviously unsound, so there are other aspects in the chart that would point to delusion.

But this is different from the assertion that MOST people are deluded. if most people are indeed deluded, then it must be part of the human condition, an aspect that must be found in most chart, and we really cannot say in astrology that there is a particular aspect that can be found in most chart. I can't think of one. Therefore, the statement about most people being deluded has to be metaphysical/spiritual/esoteric one. Not an astrological perspective statement.

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posted April 07, 2021 12:41 AM            

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Unless we would say that MOST people are deluded about SOMETHING.

Then we could look at the house where Neptune is in our chart and see where our delusion lie.

That would be one way to tie this statement to an astrological perspective.

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