posted July 29, 2021 11:34 PM            

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You just don’t quit.

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posted July 29, 2021 11:37 PM            

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Originally posted by MoonMystic:
lol, I thought that too.

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posted July 29, 2021 11:39 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
My father is cappy and he has been a great dad, when I read that sentence I got a flashback of my dad when I was a kid being affectionate, tickling me, carrying me to bed bc I am falling sleep, never felt judged by him, always felt accepted and loved. At the end of the day Capricorns tend to take their commitments seriously and there is no bigger commitment IMO than becoming a parent.

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Your dad sounds winderful. Wasn't Lisa Marie Presley a Fire sign too? - Indeed, I think the Soul contract coming in for parent/child has to be very significant.

Same with my uncle. No judging, very affectionate. He called me his "Dolly". Gave me piggy back rides, threw me in the air and let me ride on his motorcycle with him. He was magical.

Men that came into our family weren'tright with me, he came to my rescue before he died. He would had walked me down the isle, had he of lived. My Mom gave me away.

posted July 29, 2021 11:40 PM            

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posted July 29, 2021 11:43 PM            

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Same with my uncle. No judging, very affectionate. He called me his "Dolly". Gave me piggy back rides, threw me in the air and let me ride on his motorcycle with him. He was magical.

Men that came into our family weren'tright with me, he came to my rescue before he died. He would had walked me down the isle, had he of lived. My Mom gave me away.

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He sounds amazing! uncles can be like dads too.

posted July 29, 2021 11:47 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
hahahahah ladies I think he is a troll...

I will add my grandpa a great dad who was a gemini with venus in cancer adopted my beautiful Mom, and grandma was a cancer with moon in saggy! I think the cancer made it important for both to want to have a child and the gemini/saggy made it so they were open to adopting. Like my sister has no gemini/saggy and not open to adopting, I am totally open to it, saggy riser with gemini on the DC.

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I agree re Pluto. lol

Your Gpa sounds as though he could had sentimentality. Venus Cancer. Awe the opposite arch Sage/Gem how smart they were/are too! No wonder why you you are so keen, besides your chart, your lineage is an intelligent one.

posted July 30, 2021 12:53 AM            

My partner definitely fits the bill with Aqua Sun, Venus, and South Node, Aries Moon, ruler Planet in Libra conjunct Jupiter.

posted July 30, 2021 01:28 AM            

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I agree re Pluto. lol

Your Gpa sounds as though he could had sentimentality. Venus Cancer. Awe the opposite arch Sage/Gem how smart they were/are too! No wonder why you you are so keen, besides your chart, your lineage is an intelligent one.

I adopted! Same angles/AC.
errrr Purrrrbabes.
Long story, was almost a step mommy to the most amazing girl. Leaving that then bf (didn't turn out to marry), was hardest because I was attached to her. She was so cool.

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Awwww, that must have been hard to say goodbye.

posted July 30, 2021 01:33 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:

She is one strong minded, independent, fiery, go getting person indeed. Boy, if she didn't look like a female and didn't have Venus in her 1st, closest planet to her ASC, I would swear she was a dude. I have actually have had a couple dreams about her having a male member.

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^^hahahahah that cracked me up.

posted July 30, 2021 12:30 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
Sun is often viewed as the benevolent, more heart oriented father figure, and Saturn as the no nonsense, structure providing, stern, and disciplinarian father figure.

One needs both in balance to be a good father (or generally, a good parent). While I don't have children of my own, I spent about 7 years or so working at public school systems, and one thing I learned the hard way is the above truth, because I originally leaned to the lax, permissive, overly tolerant.

I had to get in touch with my inner Capricorn and become more of a disciplinarian and provide more structure, rules, authority, and consequence i.e. "tough love". This helped both the students I worked with, and myself. Despite having Sun in Cap, this did not come easy/natural to me, since in a lot of ways, I'm closer to Pisces than to Cap (because of most highlighted planets, angular Pisces SN, etc).

Correct that Capricorn is a Yin/Feminine polarized Sign. But it far less so than the previous 4 Signs. On the journey from Aries to Pisces, the stages/symbols start off rather polarized and imbalanced, but as they get closer to the Aquarius and Pisces cusp, they start becoming more blended.

This really first starts in Libra, a masculine/Yang sign ruled by a definitely feminine/Yin polarized planet-Venus. Before Libra, the Signs are decidedly polarized.

Capricorn in general, and especially near the cusp of Aquarius, is fairly blended/balanced, though Yin/Feminine.

Where Cancer nurtures the individual or the family, Capricorn nurtures the collective.

Btw, imo, Capcicorn is far too complex and extreme of a sign to be only ruled by Saturn. I believe that Uranus is a co-ruler of Capricorn. Capricorn and Aquarius are the ONLY Sign pairs that share a traditional/ancient ruler that are right next to each other. Imo, this indicates something unique/special about their connection as far as rulership goes. And as Signs progress from Aries to Pisces, they also become ever more complex and multi faceted. You especially see this in the last 4, Universal Signs.

While Aquarius would be Uranus and then Saturn. Capricorn is Saturn and Uranus.

Uranus, believe it or not, is at its core, a Yin polarized Planet. Edgar Cayce called Uranus that of the extremes, unusual, and psychic. To be psychic, one HAS to get in touch with the Yin/feminine principle of receptivity i.e. that of becoming quiet within and listening deeply. And this is why you will find that female bodies tend to be more strongly and consciously psychic than male bodies on average, and why there are far more women into things like astrology, numerology, palmistry, psychism, etc then men. Because they intuitively FEEL/sense the truth in these.

But, Uranus does contain both, and because it swings from one extreme to another, it is hard to categorize in general. But ultimately, it is a Yin polarized Planet.

The Aquarius Pisces cusp is about the most androgynous or hermaphroditic point on the Zodiac.

As Souls seeking conscious awareness/realization of our union with Source and the Oneness of Whole/All, as we get closer to that, we become ever more merged/balanced between the inner Yin and Yang, till at some point, they do fuse completely and we transcend both polarities. This is the marriage within that Yeshua spoke to and of.

This is why particularly older Souls that you may meet, often feel/seem like both in one, and fairly blended, rather than strongly polarized to one or the other as many people still are. It's like they can relate nearly equally well to women or men, whatever their body's physical gender.

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I understand what you mean, and I can agree on a few things, but you didn't mention anything about the main topic of the thread.
That Capricorn is limits, discipline, karma, etc., that does not make him the father figure. That makes him a restrictive and cold mother.

Like Aquarius, just because Aquarius means freedom (or debauchery?), It doesn't make you a mother. It turns him into the cold version of a father.
Unlike Leo, who is all about loyalty and honor.

Just as Leo is the caring father, provider, loyal and 100% active in the lives of his children.
Aquarius is the father who, being present, is as if he were not.

And just as Cancer is the nurturing, sweet, loyal, and understanding Mother.
Capricorn is the cold, incomprehensible, very tough, and distant Mother who tries to reward him by giving financially to her children.

Capricorn is not a complex sign at all. The essence of Capricorn is that it has been disconnected from Source, and tries to reward that with material things. Unlike Cancer, it is the sign most connected to the Source.

posted July 30, 2021 01:39 PM            

The entire Zodiac is an archetypal story or account of the Soul going from the selfish, self aware self (Aries) and eventually evolving to the self that sees itself One with all selves and the Whole (Pisces) i.e. universal Love.

Capricorn is the 10th Sign in this archetypal journey, with only one sign between it and the death/transformation of the ego towards that of universal Love (via Pisces). How could it not be complex and deep?

With that said, when it comes to actual practice and individuals, Signs don't actually usually have a lot to do with Soul maturity or lack. That is indicated by a combo of strongest to weakest Planets and how a person is using their freewill in the present (can't be seen in a chart, but can be seen in the aura).

A Capricorn Sun or Rising, with predominant Saturn, Mars, Pluto, Moon, and/or Mercury (these all correspond to the first 3 energetic centers in the body i.e. the slowest vibratory and most material and ego attuned ones) is going to be very different than say a Capricorn Sun or Rising with predominant Venus, Uranus, Neptune, Jupiter, Sun, and/or Arcturus (these are 4th to 6th center related symbols and are the mid to faster vibratory ones. Note, no single symbol corresponds to the 7th Center which corresponds to fully realized/conscious Source Consciousness and that of the pure Clear/white Light).

In the latter case, you'll see the more evolved/mature expression of Capricorn as a Universal Sign. Such a one was Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., who had Jupiter* closest to his ASC, and a rather strong Pisces attunement. He was a true disciple/follower of the Prince of Peace, and who like the Prince of Peace, knowingly gave his life so as to improve the lot of the many. He did not want to be in the spotlight (he was a quiet, introverted man), but life and guidance nudged him there and he accepted because he felt a sense of responsibility to try to change things for the better.

* (Edgar Cayce most often called Jupiter, when predominant or strong in the chart, that of "Universal Consciousness", spiritual strength, the ennobling force, and indicated that Jupitarians are often the kind of people that would sacrifice themselves to better the collective).

posted July 30, 2021 02:56 PM            

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Correct, Leo is not the most masculine/Yang Sign of the Zodiac. Aries is*, though the Sun exaltion doesn't really have much to do with it. (The Sun as a symbol, is only very, very slightly Yang polarized, but that is another, very deep spiritual topic.)

Even though Leo comes after Gemini, I would say that Leo is more Yang polarized than Gemini though. It is not a nice and neat, completely linear progression necessarily. There just is a general trend of increasing balancing/blending/merging until it gets to the Aquarius-Pisces cusp.

Aries is like super fire, since not only is it a Fire Sign ruled by Mars, but also a Cardinal Sign. Cardinal and Fire share some similarities in some loose ways. Both are energy/spark laden and initiate. The latter which is a fundamental trait/property/characteristic of Yang energy to begin with.

*More specifically, the 15* (+/- about 5 degrees) area of Aries is the most Yang polarized section of the Zodiac. When its near Pisces or Taurus, it starts to blend with these some, which "dilutes" its Yang polarity some with their Yinness. Less so with Pisces, than with Taurus since Pisces is less Yin polarized than Taurus. After all, Yin/Feminine Pisces is ruled by both masculine/Yang polarized Jupiter and feminine/Yin polarized Neptune.

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Leo is infinitely more masculine than Aries. Leo represents all that masculine energy is. It is the Sun. The star. It is the most important of all, everything revolves around the Sun.

Aries is no more masculine than Leo. There is no way it can be.

Aries men:

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Leo men:

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What energy seems more masculine to you? Leo's for me.
Aries is very masculine, but even Mars revolves around the Sun. And Aries is Mars and Leo the Sun.

And it does not matter much if Aries is exalted in the Sun.
It is not the same to be exalted in the Sun, than to be the same Sun .

posted July 30, 2021 04:47 PM            

Wladimir Klitschko- Sun in Aries
Rob Growkonski-Sun in Taurus
Anthony Joshua-Sun in Lib
Randy Orton-Sun in Aries

Tall,"beefy" guys doesn't define what "masculine" is. There are many of these types in EVERY sign. Not just Leo.

Fabio Lanzoni was the romance cover model KING in the 90's.He epitomized the 'masculine' fantasy ideal(well atleast to romance novel readers).He has Sun in Pis.

Sun being "exalted" in Aries and the 1st house is NOT about looking "beefy". Its about encapsulating the energy of the pioneer.Someone not afraid of being themselves and blazing their own trail.

Being "masculine" is a mentality.Not hours worked at the gym.It is the embodiment of surefootedness, assertion, enterprise, daring, bravery, self-confidence and self belief.

I looked at "masculine" as a kid as the "hero" ideal. A person that faces challenges & doesn't give up. And through belief in themselves, they inspire belief in myself too.

Admittedly, I did look at heros as muscle bound types. I was a kid. So i was projecting my boyish ideals on them.

Sylvester Stallone(Cancer) on "Rocky"
Robert De Niro(Leo) on "Raging Bull"
Jean Claude Van Damne(Lib) on "Bloodsport"
Bruce Lee(Sag) on "Enter the Dragon"
Henry Cele(Gemini)as "Shaka Zulu".

Each of them were human, they bled, they endured until there was victory. I liked that. That shows the spirit of Aries. To give it "your all".And when on the Sun, this audacity tends to be the foundation of self definition(hence the'exaltation').

posted July 31, 2021 04:19 AM            

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Just as Leo is the caring father, provider, loyal and 100% active in the lives of his children.
Aquarius is the father who, being present, is as if he were not.

And just as Cancer is the nurturing, sweet, loyal, and understanding Mother.
Capricorn is the cold, incomprehensible, very tough, and distant Mother who tries to reward him by giving financially to her children.

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That's such a shallow way of analysing signs. Every sign has positive & negative sides and every sign IS capable of being good parents.

Leo can be good with children because they're big kids themselves(!) but an unenvolved Leo may treat their kids more like their playmates than their children. They can also be over-controlling like my Leo mom - my way or highway, just follow my lead, don't ask qns...

My Aquarius brother (with Virgo rising, Scorpio Moon) is dad to 2 gals. He was a very involved dad. Brought them everywhere, feed them, shower them, tutor them on homework... How is that not being present? Lol.

This stereotype of Cancerians being natural mothers is also over-rated. I know Cancerian women who don't want kids and have no interest in being a mother. They don't even enjoy interacting with kids. One of my friends who has a Cancer Moon gave up her son for adoption.

posted July 31, 2021 10:22 AM            

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Leo is the father, Cancer is the mother, Sagittarius is the woman he has an affair with.

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I damn near spilled my smoothie!

posted July 31, 2021 10:24 AM            

If we go by astrology, Capricorn is the father because it is ruled by Saturn.

posted July 31, 2021 10:29 AM            

Leo rules children. Leo does not rule fathering.

posted August 01, 2021 06:52 AM            

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You seem to have some very basic misconceptions about things.

The entire Zodiac is an archetypal story or account of the Soul going from the selfish, self aware self (Aries) and eventually evolving to the self that sees itself One with all selves and the Whole (Pisces) i.e. universal Love.

Capricorn is the 10th Sign in this archetypal journey, with only one sign between it and the death/transformation of the ego towards that of universal Love (via Pisces). How could it not be complex and deep?

With that said, [b]when it comes to actual practice and individuals, Signs don't actually usually have a lot to do with Soul maturity or lack. That is indicated by a combo of strongest to weakest Planets and how a person is using their freewill in the present (can't be seen in a chart, but can be seen in the aura).

A Capricorn Sun or Rising, with predominant Saturn, Mars, Pluto, Moon, and/or Mercury (these all correspond to the first 3 energetic centers in the body i.e. the slowest vibratory and most material and ego attuned ones) is going to be very different than say a Capricorn Sun or Rising with predominant Venus, Uranus, Neptune, Jupiter, Sun, and/or Arcturus (these are 4th to 6th center related symbols and are the mid to faster vibratory ones. Note, no single symbol corresponds to the 7th Center which corresponds to fully realized/conscious Source Consciousness and that of the pure Clear/white Light).

In the latter case, you'll see the more evolved/mature expression of Capricorn as a Universal Sign. Such a one was Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., who had Jupiter* closest to his ASC, and a rather strong Pisces attunement. He was a true disciple/follower of the Prince of Peace, and who like the Prince of Peace, knowingly gave his life so as to improve the lot of the many. He did not want to be in the spotlight (he was a quiet, introverted man), but life and guidance nudged him there and he accepted because he felt a sense of responsibility to try to change things for the better.

* (Edgar Cayce most often called Jupiter, when predominant or strong in the chart, that of "Universal Consciousness", spiritual strength, the ennobling force, and indicated that Jupitarians are often the kind of people that would sacrifice themselves to better the collective).

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Yes. That's the theory. This may be real and it may not. We will never know.
We only know what we have here and now.
Nobody knows if an Aries person is going to be born Virgo in another life, we do not even know if there is another life.
We only know that this life exists, and in this life an Aries is an Aries, a Gemini is a Gemini, etc ... What does the rest matter?

posted August 01, 2021 07:22 AM            

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Capricorn the father is opposite Cancer the mother. As it should. Yin vs Yang.

Leo rules children. Leo does not rule fathering.

That is why the Pluto in Leo generation produced the biggest crop of children this nation had ever seen.

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The Ying Yang is male and female. Not feminine and feminine. Both Cancer and Capricorn are both a female axis.

If the axes mean anything, it is that they are absolutely the same manifested in different ways.

Aries - Libra Axis (Masculine)
Aries is the ME, aggressive, impulsive, impatient.
Libra is the NO-SELF, seeking its "SELF" through relationships with others.
But both signs are absolutely the same. There is no Ying Yang here.
Both signs are flirtatious, idealistic, and share the same ideals.
Have you ever seen an angry Libra? It is not different at all from an Aries in its natural state.
Have you ever seen a relaxed Aries? It is no different from Libra in its natural state.

Taurus - Scorpio Axis (Femenine)
Taurus is the basic and earthly life (food, enjoyment of the least, sex, and stability to enjoy all this)
And at the same time, in its stability and lack of change, it becomes complex.
Scorpio is the most complex energy, and at the same time it must be extremely basic to survive.
They both share the basics: loyalty, stubbornness, and staying when everyone and everything is gone.
If there is an axis of eternity, this is probably it. Taurus as an eternal rock that it is. And Scorpio as the only one capable of surviving the impossible.

Gemini - Sagittarius Axis (Masculine)
While Gemini is cunning, with a certain innocence.
Sagittarius is wise, without any innocence.
They both share the same thing: boundless curiosity, lack of stability and commitment, and their inability to be still.

Etc....

There is no Ying Yang here. Since both signs of the same axis are absolutely the same. Same values, same forms, manifested in different ways. And both the same modality, masculine or feminine.

posted August 01, 2021 12:25 PM            

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Tall,"beefy" guys doesn't define what "masculine" is. There are many of these types in EVERY sign. Not just Leo.

Fabio Lanzoni was the romance cover model KING in the 90's.He epitomized the 'masculine' fantasy ideal(well atleast to romance novel readers).He has Sun in Pis.

Sun being "exalted" in Aries and the 1st house is NOT about looking "beefy". Its about encapsulating the energy of the pioneer.Someone not afraid of being themselves and blazing their own trail.

Being "masculine" is a mentality.Not hours worked at the gym.It is the embodiment of surefootedness, assertion, enterprise, daring, bravery, self-confidence and self belief.

I looked at "masculine" as a kid as the "hero" ideal. A person that faces challenges & doesn't give up. And through belief in themselves, they inspire belief in myself too.

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I had a pisces male client share this clip with me of Sylvester Stallone. You will see that Aries fighting spirit you are referring to but also the cancer I feel, is a clip of him talking to his son, great dad moment:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mSuZjvpTz2g&feature=youtu.be

posted August 01, 2021 12:51 PM            

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Originally posted by WhiteBirds:
The Ying Yang is male and female. Not feminine and feminine. Both Cancer and Capricorn are both a female axis.

If the axes mean anything, it is that they are absolutely the same manifested in different ways.

Aries - Libra Axis (Masculine)
Aries is the ME, aggressive, impulsive, impatient.
Libra is the NO-SELF, seeking its "SELF" through relationships with others.
But both signs are absolutely the same. There is no Ying Yang here.
Both signs are flirtatious, idealistic, and share the same ideals.
Have you ever seen an angry Libra? It is not different at all from an Aries in its natural state.
Have you ever seen a relaxed Aries? It is no different from Libra in its natural state.

Taurus - Scorpio Axis (Femenine)
Taurus is the basic and earthly life (food, enjoyment of the least, sex, and stability to enjoy all this)
And at the same time, in its stability and lack of change, it becomes complex.
Scorpio is the most complex energy, and at the same time it must be extremely basic to survive.
They both share the basics: loyalty, stubbornness, and staying when everyone and everything is gone.
If there is an axis of eternity, this is probably it. Taurus as an eternal rock that it is. And Scorpio as the only one capable of surviving the impossible.

Gemini - Sagittarius Axis (Masculine)
While Gemini is cunning, with a certain innocence.
Sagittarius is wise, without any innocence.
They both share the same thing: boundless curiosity, lack of stability and commitment, and their inability to be still.

Etc....

There is no Ying Yang here. Since both signs of the same axis are absolutely the same. Same values, same forms, manifested in different ways. And both the same modality, masculine or feminine.

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Mars, the quintessential masculine planet is in its dignity in Scorpio, and exalted in Capricorn, both signs that are considered feminine. Coincidence?

The meaning of feminine there does not fit your narrow definition. It speaks more of the way the energy manifests itself, not rushing head first as Mars in Aries does, but planning, gathering strength and able to wait for the right time to strike in an even more deadly fashion than Mars in Aries can.

posted August 02, 2021 07:18 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I had a pisces male client share this clip with me of Sylvester Stallone. You will see that Aries fighting spirit you are referring to but also the cancer I feel, is a clip of him talking to his son, great dad moment:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mSuZjvpTz2g&feature=youtu.be

He has saggy rising with IC in Aries like me. Odd we also have northnode in gemini at the same degree.

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I wholeheartedly agree with the clip👌🏿👌🏿 And thank you for sharing.

I can see the "Cancer"part too. Cancer Dads can sacrifice a lot for their children. They can be "helicopter" parents (solar Sco 5th) and want to continue a relationship with their children well into their golden years(Ic in Libra). Cancer cares about relationships.