posted July 29, 2021 07:59 AM            

Nor does it make sense that a female sign (Capricorn) represents the father.
Instead, Leo is the most masculine sign of the zodiac, and according to traditional astrology, the most powerful sign.

Being a father is not only about providing (Capricorn).
Being a parent is being there for the children, in a stable way, spending time with them, and at the same time providing.
Everyone knows how Leo goes out of his way to support their families financially, and also emotionally, since the essence of Leo is to make the people around him happy.

I have this feeling. And indeed, children with a Cancer mother or father, and the other Leo, look incredibly healthy, happy, and confident.
Also the constant darkness of Capricorn, does not make it viable to raise confident children.

An example of this is Elsa Pataky (Cancer), and Chris Hemsworth (Leo). Here are some pictures of them with their children.

https://pasteboard.co/KdpEwBv.jpg

https://images.app.goo.gl/BSQ4Fdr7iDJ3K7No8

https://images.app.goo.gl/aRmLLqR7qyeudLE59

Leo is definitely the father figure of the zodiac, and not Capricorn.

Also, from a biological point of view this makes sense.

While the mother can go through endless emotional changes, and even reject the child one day, or love him the next, etc., a stable male figure is needed as a father.
And Leo is a fixed sign (stability at its finest), meaning a fixed sign just won't give up.
Cancer is a cardinal sign, and you could give up, but not with the help of a fixed sign.

The same goes for Capricorn, which is a cardinal sign. It lacks the stability of a fixed sign.

They are just my observations.

posted July 29, 2021 08:06 AM            

Now with a pregnancy, I could trust a Leo with my life to take care of the baby, but I would run from Capricorn.

posted July 29, 2021 08:36 AM            

https://images.app.goo.gl/YzoZkmkk2XwqFfEfA

Another image.

https://images.app.goo.gl/t45qrixcgk2dRMBGA

Otra:

https://images.app.goo.gl/MuC9MjtnnzgfEhm69

Simply the energy of Capricorn is not the paternal energy, and I think it can be seen in these images, in contrast to Chris Hemsworth (Leo), as Leo is the true father of the zodiac.

From my point of view, Capricorn is the mother of the Zodiac in a cold version.
And Aquarius is the father of the zodiac, in a cold version too.

On the other hand, Cancer is the mother of the zodiac in a tender version.
And Leo is the father of the zodiac in a warm version.

posted July 29, 2021 08:50 AM            

Ben Affleck (Leo) with his sons:

https://images.app.goo.gl/VUkysgHWqcRbMfRG6

Here's another:

https://images.app.goo.gl/oFEAMDXKJC7P8QJC7

In this picture, the children orbit Ben Affleck, and not their mother Jennifer, since they intuitively know that Aries does not have the confidence of Leo.

Another image of Ben Affleck with his children:

https://images.app.goo.gl/bBDLpSPMsGUTMZK27

Other:

https://images.app.goo.gl/cs83McZkfqbaLtoV7

(Here the girl instinctively leans on Ben Affleck, and not on her mother who is right next to her. Why would this be?

Other:

https://images.app.goo.gl/6Vpgq4PiiSM9FMkPA

In almost all images it is the same. Ben Affleck (Leo) takes care of the children, while mother Jennifer (Aries) remains more oblivious.

The real parent is Leo, not Capricorn.

posted July 29, 2021 08:58 AM            

https://images.app.goo.gl/E67B4UYPTSKisfVR7

Whoever sees in this image the same as with Ben Affleck or Chris Hemsworth, I think they are blind.

Capricorn is not the father !! He never has been and never will be. Capricorn is the mother in the cold version, just as Cancer is in the tender version.

Leo is the real father, and not Capricorn.

posted July 29, 2021 09:31 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
you can't judge how good of a parent someone is based on sun sign alone, can't judge anything based on that

also father in a chart is looked at by both sun and saturn 🤷‍♀️

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I know you can't judge, but man, the images are there as evidence.
Here again Jude Law (Capricorn) with his children.

https://images.app.goo.gl/N7m7pn1hBEDifXc46

Do you really see a father figure there?

Jude Law in that photo even looks like a woman, (and it's no wonder because Capricorn is a completely female sign).
In that image of Jude Law, I don't see a father. I see the cold version of Cancer. I see a strict mom, unlike Cancer who is a permissive mom.

I know that in a natal chart to see the father you usually look at the Sun and Saturn, but again, that is wrong. To see the father in a natal chart, one must look at the Sun and Uranus (Leo and Aquarius, the two signs associated with the father. Leo in the warm and permissive version, and Aquarius in the cold and restrictive version).
And to see the Mother one must look at the Moon and Saturn (Cancer - Capricorn, the two planets that represent the Mother).

At least in my case it is like this I have the Moon in Scorpio, and Saturn in Pisces. My mother is totally like that. On the positive side of parenting she strengthened me (Luna Scorpio), and on the negative side of parenting she made me lose myself In fantasy, and in something totally unreal (Pisces).

I have the Sun in Cancer, and Uranus in Capricorn. My father is totally like that. On the one hand protective from a distance (Cancer), and on the other hand economically provider, and sometimes aggressive (Capricorn).

This fits 100%.

Leo is the good parent, Aquarius the "bad" parent.
And Cancer is the good Mother, and Capricorn the "bad" mother.

posted July 29, 2021 09:32 AM            

for fun, this article ranks 487 recorded serial killers by sun sign.
http://thoughtcatalog.com/nikki-halsted/2020/03/ranking-the-zodiac-signs-by-who-is-the-most-likely-to-be-a-serial-killer/

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1. Capricorn (55 killers)
Personally, I’m not surprised. It’s pretty obvious what the underlying manifestation likely is: need for total power and control. Capricorn is not only authoritarian, they’re notorious for ritualistic killings— their M.O. commonly being strangulation, robbery, to include a religious justification built around destiny. Hence, who rules destiny? Capricorn.

2. Leo (46 killers)
Next on the list is the zodiac’s royal: Leo. Though Leo is less in terms of number, their overall body count and nature of their atrocities should land them above Capricorn in the ranks. The M.O. is similar to Capricorn, except a bit more disturbing— it often has rape and sexual torture included. More specifically younger aged and…. ~cringe~ children and cannibalism. Which, Leo rules the sector over children.

3. Sagittarius (43 killers)
Just when we were surprised at Leo… well, Saggie isn’t all that shocking. Carrying a similar M.O as Leo with rape, strangulation, and robbery— though age was less of a variable in their victimology. What made most of these killers different than the other signs: necrophilia and ‘trophies’ such as dismembered body parts and valuables of the victim.

4. Aquarius (42 killers) - TIED
The zodiac’s humanitarian is not so humane. Who knew? Weirdly, Aquarian serial killers have commonly been the deranged (and bigoted) vigilantes. While torture, rape, and necrophilia is their common M.O., many of the 42 I read about targeted high-risk victims such as the homeless/poor, prostitutes, runaways, or anyone related. Would’ve been better if they played the anti-hero like Dexter who killed off the other serial killers (which, main actor Michael Hall is an Aquarius himself).

4. Libra (42 killers) - TIED
Who knew Libra could be so violent. Expectedly, their murders were a lot less messy than the others. Common M.O. includes strangulation, sexual torture, and taking valuables of the victim as ‘trophies’, and more specifically tying up at least one of their victims and posing them after. Guess the sign of justice has some remorse— or, they undoubtedly treat their atrocities as an art.

4. Scorpio (42 killers) - TIED
Scorpio is a mix between Leo and Aquarius in terms of this list. Scorpio, on one hand, is exactly what we’d expect— a sexual sadist who were oftentimes serial rapists and stalkers before their killing spree. Torture, strangulation, necrophilia, and vampirism was also recurrent in their M.O. Other Scorpio serial killers— the use of a firearm, except many for Scorpio were done execution-style. Almost all of those cases involved prostitutes, hitchhikers, or other high-risk folks that may encourage a vigilante complex.

4. Aries (42 killers) - TIED
Arian serial killers are so predictable… yet not? First, none had a common M.O., to include very few of the crimes being sexual in nature. The most popular weapon of choice was a firearm. Why, may you ask— many of them reportedly told police they had aspirations to out-do their predecessors on their body count. Other random violent acts include beating, strangling, arson, or anything that can rack up the body count. Not to mention a common trigger was being dumped. Their murders were usually tactless, lacking organization, and was literally only motivated by the idea of being #1–which, is unsurprising for Aries.

5. Gemini (40 killers) - TIED
Gemini serial killers seemed to be vengeful above anything else— aside from demented, of course. Granted strangulation, cannibalism/vampirism, tying/posing the bodies, and rape are common to their M.O. what distinguishes Gemini from other serial killers— they’re the most likely to kill someone they know or kill by association. Many killed couples, families, neighbors, even their own. Oftentimes with overkill in stabbing or a firearm, in many cases while the victims were in their vehicles. Which, who rules neighbors, locality, and transportation in astrology? Gemini.

5. Pisces (40 killers) - TIED
Who knew sweet-n-sour Pisces could be so ruthless? Pisces serial killers are the “too charming to be true” ones our mommas warn us about. Mutilation, rape, torture, tying up, and cannibalism seem to be the most common to their M.O., but what distinguishes Pisces— their victimology targeted age extremities (specifically children, minors, and the elderly), also including some element of pornography, sexual grooming, or sexuality.

6. Virgo (39 killers)
Virgo may be ranked lower than expected, but the nature of their atrocities are what we’d expect. The Virgo M.O. generally includes rape, strangulation, mutilation, and dismemberment. On the other hand, what distinguishes Virgo from other serial killers is how almost all of the 39 had robbery or something bank related. The most prolific Virgos, however, were former medical professionals who poisoned their patients or surgically dismembered them. Only Virgo is capable enough to be so meticulous, after all.

7. Cancer (34 killers)
Cancer takes on a similar vigilante complex as Aquarius, except many of the 34 serial killers were previous offenders in areas such as gambling, petty theft, assault, and rape. To include a much lower body count than any of the signs. Common M.O. includes holding as sex slaves, beating, strangling, shooting, and in a few cases even drowning in bathtubs (which, I didn’t read this on any other sign). The trigger for many, however, had something to do with someone betraying or blackmailing them. Other victims were typically high risk, more specifically prostitutes. Cancer at the bottom of the list is pretty fair if you ask me.

8. Taurus (22 killers)
Serial killer or cereal killer? I think we all expected the zodiac’s big teddy bear to have the least of a thrill to kill. Well, besides the 22 dudes on this list. Common M.O. includes necrophilia, strangulation, shooting, and even cannibalism. What distinguishes Taurus, however, is how many essentially hunted their victims in hiking trails, parks, mountains, to include anything property related (such as hotels, leased buildings, etc.) In astrology, Taurus rules over Mother Nature and our basic necessities such as food. Hmmm.

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posted July 29, 2021 09:57 AM            

One needs both in balance to be a good father (or generally, a good parent). While I don't have children of my own, I spent about 7 years or so working at public school systems, and one thing I learned the hard way is the above truth, because I originally leaned to the lax, permissive, overly tolerant.

I had to get in touch with my inner Capricorn and become more of a disciplinarian and provide more structure, rules, authority, and consequence i.e. "tough love". This helped both the students I worked with, and myself. Despite having Sun in Cap, this did not come easy/natural to me, since in a lot of ways, I'm closer to Pisces than to Cap (because of most highlighted planets, angular Pisces SN, etc).

Correct that Capricorn is a Yin/Feminine polarized Sign. But it far less so than the previous 4 Signs. On the journey from Aries to Pisces, the stages/symbols start off rather polarized and imbalanced, but as they get closer to the Aquarius and Pisces cusp, they start becoming more blended.

This really first starts in Libra, a masculine/Yang sign ruled by a definitely feminine/Yin polarized planet-Venus. Before Libra, the Signs are decidedly polarized.

Capricorn in general, and especially near the cusp of Aquarius, is fairly blended/balanced, though Yin/Feminine.

Where Cancer nurtures the individual or the family, Capricorn nurtures the collective.

Btw, imo, Capcicorn is far too complex and extreme of a sign to be only ruled by Saturn. I believe that Uranus is a co-ruler of Capricorn. Capricorn and Aquarius are the ONLY Sign pairs that share a traditional/ancient ruler that are right next to each other. Imo, this indicates something unique/special about their connection as far as rulership goes. And as Signs progress from Aries to Pisces, they also become ever more complex and multi faceted. You especially see this in the last 4, Universal Signs.

While Aquarius would be Uranus and then Saturn. Capricorn is Saturn and Uranus.

Uranus, believe it or not, is at its core, a Yin polarized Planet. Edgar Cayce called Uranus that of the extremes, unusual, and psychic. To be psychic, one HAS to get in touch with the Yin/feminine principle of receptivity i.e. that of becoming quiet within and listening deeply. And this is why you will find that female bodies tend to be more strongly and consciously psychic than male bodies on average, and why there are far more women into things like astrology, numerology, palmistry, psychism, etc then men. Because they intuitively FEEL/sense the truth in these.

But, Uranus does contain both, and because it swings from one extreme to another, it is hard to categorize in general. But ultimately, it is a Yin polarized Planet.

The Aquarius Pisces cusp is about the most androgynous or hermaphroditic point on the Zodiac.

As Souls seeking conscious awareness/realization of our union with Source and the Oneness of Whole/All, as we get closer to that, we become ever more merged/balanced between the inner Yin and Yang, till at some point, they do fuse completely and we transcend both polarities. This is the marriage within that Yeshua spoke to and of.

This is why particularly older Souls that you may meet, often feel/seem like both in one, and fairly blended, rather than strongly polarized to one or the other as many people still are. It's like they can relate nearly equally well to women or men, whatever their body's physical gender.

posted July 29, 2021 09:58 AM            

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Originally posted by plutonianmenace:
Leo is the father, Cancer is the mother, Sagittarius is the woman he has an affair with.

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posted July 29, 2021 10:58 AM            

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Originally posted by plutonianmenace:
Leo is the father, Cancer is the mother, Sagittarius is the woman he has an affair with.

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posted July 29, 2021 11:01 AM            

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Originally posted by WhiteBirds:
I know you can't judge, but man, the images are there as evidence.
Here again Jude Law (Capricorn) with his children.

https://images.app.goo.gl/N7m7pn1hBEDifXc46

Do you really see a father figure there?

Jude Law in that photo even looks like a woman, (and it's no wonder because Capricorn is a completely female sign).
In that image of Jude Law, I don't see a father. I see the cold version of Cancer. I see a strict mom, unlike Cancer who is a permissive mom.

I know that in a natal chart to see the father you usually look at the Sun and Saturn, but again, that is wrong. To see the father in a natal chart, one must look at the Sun and Uranus (Leo and Aquarius, the two signs associated with the father. Leo in the warm and permissive version, and Aquarius in the cold and restrictive version).
And to see the Mother one must look at the Moon and Saturn (Cancer - Capricorn, the two planets that represent the Mother).

At least in my case it is like this I have the Moon in Scorpio, and Saturn in Pisces. My mother is totally like that. On the positive side of parenting she strengthened me (Luna Scorpio), and on the negative side of parenting she made me lose myself In fantasy, and in something totally unreal (Pisces).

I have the Sun in Cancer, and Uranus in Capricorn. My father is totally like that. On the one hand protective from a distance (Cancer), and on the other hand economically provider, and sometimes aggressive (Capricorn).

This fits 100%.

Leo is the good parent, Aquarius the "bad" parent.
And Cancer is the good Mother, and Capricorn the "bad" mother.

Think about it for a moment. Capricorn can never be a father because it is a feminine sign. Instead it fits all the qualities of Cancer in a cold version.

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you can't really handpick a couple celebrities (people who largely rely on nannies and **** anyway) to show whether or not an entire group of people are good parents

posted July 29, 2021 11:02 AM            

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Originally posted by plutonianmenace:
Leo is the father, Cancer is the mother, Sagittarius is the woman he has an affair with.

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posted July 29, 2021 03:44 PM            

Saturn is about providing for the family, providing boundaries & structure. The parent who instills discipline, always seems to say "no". Expects the rules to be obeyed. Is interested in the child conforming to social standards and mores.

Sun is about being a "kid" again. Bonding with the kids, laughing with them and playing as if you were a "kid". Here the parent is interested in how "happy" and self confident the kids are. This parent always encourages bonding either through playing (sport, games etc) or quality time doing recreational activities

Jupiter is the mentor.The lessons you impart on your kids and wisdom you have to share. Here the interest is more in moral development of your kids and them being independent thinkers. This parent is the one that will have the answers to "what is a transgender?" OR "what is sex?"

Personally, I had the Saturn Father. But I am the Jupiter Dad(according to my Sister based off of the relationship with my nephew).I have never experienced the "Solar" Father figure.

posted July 29, 2021 06:21 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
You make great points but I don't know if LEO is the most masculine sign of the zodiac, the sun is exalted in ARIES and mars is at home in aries.

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Correct, Leo is not the most masculine/Yang Sign of the Zodiac. Aries is*, though the Sun exaltion doesn't really have much to do with it. (The Sun as a symbol, is only very, very slightly Yang polarized, but that is another, very deep spiritual topic.)

Even though Leo comes after Gemini, I would say that Leo is more Yang polarized than Gemini though. It is not a nice and neat, completely linear progression necessarily. There just is a general trend of increasing balancing/blending/merging until it gets to the Aquarius-Pisces cusp.

Aries is like super fire, since not only is it a Fire Sign ruled by Mars, but also a Cardinal Sign. Cardinal and Fire share some similarities in some loose ways. Both are energy/spark laden and initiate. The latter which is a fundamental trait/property/characteristic of Yang energy to begin with.

*More specifically, the 15* (+/- about 5 degrees) area of Aries is the most Yang polarized section of the Zodiac. When its near Pisces or Taurus, it starts to blend with these some, which "dilutes" its Yang polarity some with their Yinness. Less so with Pisces, than with Taurus since Pisces is less Yin polarized than Taurus. After all, Yin/Feminine Pisces is ruled by both masculine/Yang polarized Jupiter and feminine/Yin polarized Neptune.

posted July 29, 2021 07:05 PM            

My dad is certainly not Leonine in any sense, in spite of the fact he was supposed to be a Leo rising personality (he's actually Cancer rising).

Signs are 'male' and 'female' only in energetic polarity (outward/+, inward/-), not in personification.

posted July 29, 2021 10:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
No one zodiac sign can represent all fathers or the father archetype, no matter what the planetary principle behind it.

My dad is certainly not Leonine in any sense, in spite of the fact he was supposed to be a Leo rising personality (he's actually Cancer rising).

Signs are 'male' and 'female' only in energetic polarity (outward/+, inward/-), not in personification.

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Hi Kannon!
Nice to see you around.
Welcome Back!

posted July 29, 2021 10:23 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:

*More specifically, the 15* (+/- about 5 degrees) area of Aries is the most Yang polarized section of the Zodiac. When its near Pisces or Taurus, it starts to blend with these some, which "dilutes" its Yang polarity some with their Yinness. Less so with Pisces, than with Taurus since Pisces is less Yin polarized than Taurus. After all, Yin/Feminine Pisces is ruled by both masculine/Yang polarized Jupiter and feminine/Yin polarized Neptune.

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Excellent point. The same can be said with LEO when they have cancer placements.

Personally I like a guy with some yin and yan. Like my grandpa you look at him and he looks like a military guy but he is mushy inside IMO, I always felt inside he was a teddy bear. He was GEMINI with moon in virgo, mercury in Gemini, and mars in virgo but had venus in cancer and southnode in cancer! Ha

posted July 29, 2021 10:28 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:

Aries is like super fire, since not only is it a Fire Sign ruled by Mars, but also a Cardinal Sign. Cardinal and Fire share some similarities in some loose ways. Both are energy/spark laden and initiate. The latter which is a fundamental trait/property/characteristic of Yang energy to begin with.

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posted July 29, 2021 10:57 PM            

Nurturing is part of Daddy roles as much as Mommy's. Neither in every case Takes to these roles. I think if Cancer is the Sign associated with Capricorn it might just be that way - secondary to Sun, Saturn could well rep Dad. Especially an older Dad.. btw - One very known Daddy Capricorn Sun who doted on his daughter was Elvis!

If we are to use the Sun Capricorn builds his empire. His Legacy to leave his kids. Not always are they playing in the back yard playing catch. Some of the modern family styles are starkly different from former eras. Some Dads will carry the baby on them in a front slings. They work from home or are just stay @Home dad's.
Therefore Capricorn might not fit them. I see these men as more a Virgo. Earth Sign - Mercury Rules. They are creative/intelligent with juggling the duties and groundbreaking, as Men didn't tread this direction until post 2000 era.

Sun/Moon are Mom and Dad by many cultures as well Left&Right eyes.

posted July 29, 2021 11:24 PM            

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Originally posted by MoonMystic:
btw - One very known Daddy Capricorn Sun who doted on his daughter was Elvis!

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posted July 29, 2021 11:29 PM            

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Originally posted by plutonianmenace:
Leo is the father, Cancer is the mother, Sagittarius is the woman he has an affair with.

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