posted August 15, 2021 02:30 PM            

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posted August 15, 2021 04:29 PM            

Aspects to the nodes are also associated with mental illness, especially the South Node. Ketu is headless and causes detachment. My brother has South Node in H1 and according to Vedic Astrology this can cause delusions. He also has Venus square the nodes which can be connected to addiction. Some Vedic websites have mentioned that Venus square the nodes leads to an insatiable appetite for all things Venusian and can cause all kinds of out of control indulging.

Neither has hard Pluto aspects but my mother has a Cardinal Grand Cross in her chart and my brother has Saturn conjunct his ASC. Both probably add to the stress that’s already in their charts.

posted August 16, 2021 01:34 AM            

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Dejanira conj the Moon

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posted August 16, 2021 07:45 AM            

had a scorpio moon friend who also exhibited a lot of bpd traits, believe her moon fell in her 12th in placidus if i'm not mistaken and her sun was in sag 1st house cap stellium don't remember the chart offhand too well

posted August 16, 2021 08:46 AM            

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Originally posted by PlutoWasHere:
No experience with BPD but my mother and brother both suffer from mental illness and I have tried to find clues in their birth charts. I have read on several websites that an afflicted Moon can be an indication of mental illness. My mother has her Libra Moon conjunct Saturn and Neptune (depression and alcoholism), my brother has his Sagittarius Moon conjunct Uranus (schizophrenia and drug addiction). I have an afflicted Moon myself, Virgo Moon square Neptune, but so far I have been ridiculously stable. Maybe it helps to have a lot of Earth in the chart. My brother is Fire dominant and my mother is Air dominant.

Aspects to the nodes are also associated with mental illness, especially the South Node. Ketu is headless and causes detachment. My brother has South Node in H1 and according to Vedic Astrology this can cause delusions. He also has Venus square the nodes which can be connected to addiction. Some Vedic websites have mentioned that Venus square the nodes leads to an insatiable appetite for all things Venusian and can cause all kinds of out of control indulging.

Neither has hard Pluto aspects but my mother has a Cardinal Grand Cross in her chart and my brother has Saturn conjunct his ASC. Both probably add to the stress that’s already in their charts.

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i have issues with substance abuse and depression suicide **** etc (but not cluster b traits) largely due to trauma and whatnot but 🤷‍♀️ works out the same

my aries moon is conjunct my descendant/north node and opposite libra venus/ascendant/southnode (all pretty tight orbs) and then square cap mars which is loosely conjunct my ic (it's also loosely conjunct my neptune but on the other side) in a t-square (because mars squares my venus/ascendant too)

my sag uranus and leo mercury trining my moon (also close orbs, mercury/moon is exact) and that all being part of a kite is helpful at least, but yeah...

in my case i don't think having virgo sun square sag saturn has done me any favors (it's also sextile pluto and trine neptune though) and i have pluto in scorpio 1st house

posted August 16, 2021 10:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Dejanira conj the Moon

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Thank you for the feedback. Not sure that an asteroid could indicate this on its own, unless it's being backed by more core/fundamental symbols involving repeating patterns in the chart.

In that case, then yes, perhaps then the asteroid could help to point more specifically to a "niche" flavor or issue.

posted August 16, 2021 10:52 AM            

(Moon rules my 12th, of hidden enemies and deeper, subtle, hard to perceive spiritual/nonphysical and psychic phenomenon).

Like a Dang Fool, I started meditating at an early age without much practical wisdom and knowledge, and that sensitized me further than I already was, and opened me up to the larger reality more. Well, come to find out that the larger consciousness system is not all Love, rainbows, unicorns, butterflies, dark chocolate, great sex, etc, etc, but there be sharks out there too. Aye, cold blooded, with the eyes of a doll, man eating sharks (my nod to Jaws ..).

But seriously, just as in the earthly dimension we have malignant narcissists, sociopaths, and psychopaths that are more than happy to bleep with people, so too are there those in the nonphysical and in at least one ET group that I know of, that are similar (and sometimes MUCH worse).

Anyways, these beings still try to mess with me, but for the most part, I'm mostly out of their reach because I've asked for definite help and am conscious of their attempts at meddling. And I've worked A LOT on getting my body healthier and more balanced through a healthy, disciplined diet and health lifestyle.

I also have A LOT of earth, so am not so sure that is the only thing going on in your chart that indicates your tendency to stability. Though, to be fair, there is no more Earthy, earth and stable sign than Taurus, and you are chalk full. Virgo and Capricorn can be more worrying and/or neurotic in nature.

When I picture Taurus, I see Ferdinand the Bull sniffing flowers and getting high off them, whilst this song is playing in the background, "Nothing's gonna to break'a my stride, nothings gonna to slow me down (except me!!!).. Oh no, I got to keep on moving (rather slowly mind you..)."

Followed by the song that goes, "Don't worry, be happy. Oooooooh ooooh oooooh, ooooh ooooh.."

posted August 16, 2021 05:02 PM            

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my ex had a lot of bpd/narc traits and had sun conjunct saturn and uranus in sag square pisces mars/jupiter (they were also conjunct and fell in her first house in placidus though she was an aquarius ascendant) she had moon in aries square neptune, mercury in scorpio conjunct her midheaven and an exact venus pluto conjunction in scorpio that squared her ascendant

had a scorpio moon friend who also exhibited a lot of bpd traits, believe her moon fell in her 12th in placidus if i'm not mistaken and her sun was in sag 1st house cap stellium don't remember the chart offhand too well

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Hmmm, I was actually thinking about your ex a bit, and wondering if perhaps she may have been messed with by negative entities? From what you describe, she does have a fairly psychic/intuitively sensitive chart.

I've noticed that a combo of trauma and above average psychic sensitivity in combo with being messed with negative entities, can make a person more negative than they might have been otherwise.

posted August 17, 2021 09:50 AM            

Ages 8 to 20 is an entire Mahadasha. I wonder which planet caused this.

edit: seeing now that PlutoWasHere also mentioned SouthNode-Ketu.

posted August 17, 2021 10:03 AM            

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Originally posted by PlutoWasHere:
@GCE,
I thought all Earth sign were known for their stability but I am most likely biased because I have so much Taurus in my own chart. Taurus is the sign of inner peace and the Jupiter and Venus conjunction probably is a big help too. By the way I love Ferdinanc the Bull, definitely my spirit animal.

Scorpio Moon is a very difficult placement and so is Moon in hard aspect with Pluto, but I strongly suspect that aspects to the nodes also have a big impact on behaviour and can be indicators of mental illness. However I find it very difficult to find good literature on the nodes, so any suggestions would be very welcome.

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posted August 17, 2021 10:06 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
Hmmm, I was actually thinking about your ex a bit, and wondering if perhaps she may have been messed with by negative entities? From what you describe, she does have a fairly psychic/intuitively sensitive chart.

I've noticed that a combo of trauma and above average psychic sensitivity in combo with being messed with negative entities, can make a person more negative than they might have been otherwise.

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her family in general is like that, all backstabbing and fighting each other creating drama for attention etc and so on

posted August 17, 2021 12:27 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoWasHere:
@GCE,
I thought all Earth sign were known for their stability but I am most likely biased because I have so much Taurus in my own chart. Taurus is the sign of inner peace and the Jupiter and Venus conjunction probably is a big help too. By the way I love Ferdinanc the Bull, definitely my spirit animal.

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Yep, that is more or less what I was earlier outlining and implying.

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Scorpio Moon is a very difficult placement and so is Moon in hard aspect with Pluto, but I strongly suspect that aspects to the nodes also have a big impact on behaviour and can be indicators of mental illness. However I find it very difficult to find good literature on the nodes, so any suggestions would be very welcome.

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Can be. My brother has Scorpio Moon and he does pretty well with it, but he is an older soul with a strong emphasis on the mid and faster vibratory Planetary symbols.

Yes, agreed that Scorpio Moon in hard aspect (including conjunction) with Pluto does tend to be rather difficult. There is often so much intense, but often deep and unconscious fear in the person, that it can be hard for them to consciously work on themselves, because often times the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing, so to speak. It is amazing how deep they can bury their own fears, desires, pain, etc to the point where they are not even aware of it, but it comes out in weird, extreme, imbalanced, and/or inappropriate ways. Like sudden, seemingly out of the blue rages, or sudden intense attractions or repulsions, etc.

posted August 17, 2021 12:48 PM            

Hi Vansio, this self's SN is in very early Pisces cusping Aqua and firmly within the 7th House. Just out of orb bounds with an opposition to Jupiter in Virgo, which rules 5th and co-rules 8th House. Pisces on the 8th cusp.

For self, I see it related to a combo of general heightened intuitive sensitivity, combined with being unusually fast vibratory in nature with a certain role/function to perform (which I have before), and hence, these types tend to get more focused on than the average.

But more chart specifics like the following can relate. 12th House ruler, the Moon, is conjunct the ruler of the Cap Sun and Merc, Saturn (also co-rules Venus and Desc Signs, and Venus is the ruler of the Moon), and in turn, Saturn is also widely square Neptune. (Meanwhile, Neptune, ruler of the 8th is parallel and semi-sextile the chart ruler, the Sun, among other amplification patterns).

The 8th House is somewhat indirectly prominent since both of its rulers, Jupiter and Neptune, are two of the most amplified Planetary symbols in this chart.

No planets "caused" anything, but correlated with and indicated yes. Attributing cause to astrology is a huge pet peeve of mine. The only time there is ever a direct cause is when Sun or Moon are involved in their general cycles (Sun and Moon can have direct, physical effects on us). Everything else is much more of a Jungian synchronicity symbolism process since everything is fundamentally interconnected.

Or as one of the old books says, "14 And Elohim [a plural word btw] said, 'Lights shall be in the firmament of Heaven to distinguish between daytime and night and they shall be for signs and for times and for days and for years:'"

Road maps and cosmic clocks, not direct causes.

posted August 17, 2021 12:59 PM            

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her family in general is like that, all backstabbing and fighting each other creating drama for attention etc and so on

psychic/intuitive sure but she also was never a great person entirely even when we were kids 🤷‍♀️ she just got worse and it became directed at me

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Figured as much. Regarding the "she just got worse.." that's kind of what I meant. Say she had been born in a non toxic/slow vibratory/very ego attuned environment and wasn't above average psychically sensitive..quite possibly or probably she may have turned out more positive than she did. That's not excusing her completely or anything, as of course there are people who had both as well, but who turned out far more positive. But that is where the maturity level of the Soul often comes into play. An older Soul can more easily and fully overcome such a combo, but the less mature the Soul, the less likely they will be able to.

Also, someone like her, should be the last kind of person doing any kind of consciousness altering substances (whether alcohol or harder stuff), because it really allows those negative beings to influence them more. Did she experience black outs at all?

When people experience black outs, that's when they get more fully and truly possessed by said negative beings. Most of the other time, it is more of a subtle influencing here and there, like whispering into a person's ear, just below them actually hearing it, and saying things like, "Oh, you know you want to do this or that, it will feel good, it's good for you." Or saying things like, "No one really loves or cares about you. You're all alone." Really whatever your specific fears, insecurities, wounds, addictions, obsessions, etc are, they will focus on these the most and try to inject distorting perceptions and feelings in relation to them.

posted August 19, 2021 11:00 PM            

I'm not saying if you have these you have BPD, but it would make sense purely on a surface level. Of course, genetics and environment both play a major role, not just astrology.

1. Lack of a strong sense of self, a shifting and unstable identity or self-image: Neptune in a hard aspect to the Ascendant and/or Ascendant ruler, Ascendant ruler in the 12H, Neptune in the 1H negatively aspecting a luminary, Neptune conj. or opp. the Ascendant (my ex has Neptune-Asc opp. and showed strong self-image disturbances and BPD traits)

2. Explosive and unpredictable rages or spells of impulsive emotion-driven action, which in 'quiet' BPD is often turned inwards: Mars in a hard aspect to Pluto, especially if Mars is in a Water sign which leads one to act on one's emotions and instincts (even if that's actually paranoia in disguise), Mars in a hard aspect to Uranus and/or an afflicted Mars in Aquarius, Mars in the 8H (not always a sign of inward explosions and self-injury, but consider the 'underground' nature of this house and the potential for hidden rage when Mars is in it)

3. Feeling dissociative and unreal, or outside of your own body: Ascendant ruler in the 12H could play a role, but this one feels more like a Mercury issue ... Mercury in the 12H, Mercury in a hard aspect to Uranus, etc. [?]

posted August 19, 2021 11:09 PM            

Wow, I really thought to myself, many people might qualify by your last addition of dissociative disorders, post covid. Too many are left questioning their realities since this has occured. I read blogs and watch vlogs too. The inner workings mentally has really been a challenge for the many. Maybe we are a planet of BPD people. We had a long term "normal" within society standards. The distancing and lockdowns are not good for anyone's mental health.

posted August 20, 2021 12:17 PM            

Person 1, Leo Sun/Scorpio Moon/Virgo Mercury/Mars/Venus

If she has Moon/Pluto conjunct in Scorpio, then she has Sun square Moon. (Born in the morning)
If she doesn't have Moon/Pluto conjunct, then her Moon square Mars. (Born at night)
Mars/Mercury conjunction.
Sun square Pluto.
Jupiter opposite Neptune/Saturn/Uranus.

Person 2, Scorpio Sun/Libra Moon/Scropio Mercury/Virgo Mars/Libra Venus

If she was born in the morning, Moon opposite Saturn, trine Uranus, sextile Pluto.
If she was born at night, Moon square Jupiter.
Mars square Pluto.
Sun conjunct Mercury.
Moon conjunct Venus.
Venus square Jupiter.

Listed only hard aspect.

posted August 20, 2021 12:26 PM            

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Oceansofstars,

Wow, I really thought to myself, many people might qualify by your last addition of dissociative disorders, post covid. Too many are left questioning their realities since this has occured. I read blogs and watch vlogs too. The inner workings mentally has really been a challenge for the many. Maybe we are a planet of BPD people. We had a long term "normal" within society standards. The distancing and lockdowns are not good for anyone's mental health.

My fingers certainly have this issue. Can't seem to get the right letters out, these fingers are feeling out of place.

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posted August 21, 2021 03:00 AM            

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I don’t think it’s a recent thing, but you’re right in that everyone experiences symptoms of these disorders, at different times in our lives. That’s why, for the majority of us, I’m not into threads like this. Aspects for disorders. I also don’t like the occasional demonizing thread, when BPD is something that apparently comes around because of trauma. Symptoms overlap with PTSD.

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I understand your point of view. It is important not to stigmatize certain astrological placements and aspects. Especially when it relates to personal trauma and mental health issues. However, for me personally, understanding the energy that is in a birth chart, has helped me to find more closure with the issues my mother and brother struggle with.

I always knew they were “wired” differently than I am, but after looking at their birth charts I realize that they have to learn how to deal with certain energy by themselves. It just caused a shift a shift in thinking with me. I always felt bad not being able to “rescue” my mother and brother. Consciously or subconsciously they played the role of victim very well. But now I see we all have our karmic challenges and some people really have very difficult charts and a bigger challenge than the rest of us.

posted August 21, 2021 05:25 PM            

Meaning strongest/most highlighted to least highlighted Planets perhaps should be the first focus, followed by more specific patterns like aspects, etc.

posted August 21, 2021 05:49 PM            

Thank you for sharing your data.

The person I was thinking of may not be fully on the BPD spectrum, but definitely displayed very strong traits/tendencies. She is not even close to being an "evil" kind of person though. There are many positive and lovely things about her, and really, so much of her issues seems to relate more to other people having deeply hurt her, both in a childhood trauma and past life sense. She wants to heal and has awareness of that necessity, and I think she will eventually fully heal/balance herself. She has the necessary inner strength and intuition to do so.

She has Scorpio Moon conjunct Pluto conjunct IC. Sun, ruler of 12th is in Aries in 8th is conjunct Mercury [chart ruler] and south node, and this conjunction is closely square Neptune Uranus conjunction. Venus, a sensitive/important point in her chart, is in 7th and conjunct Saturn both in Pisces. Mercury the chart ruler is very closely inconjunct Pluto.

She has very deep and intense emotions/feelings. I repeat, she has many positive and lovely traits. Deep down, she does have a lot of empathy and concern for others, she has strong spiritual inclinations, and generally underneath her personality, she is an older Soul. From a Soul and Expanded self level, she has taken on a lot, and I think ultimately, to become a powerful healing influence for others.

posted August 23, 2021 01:53 PM            

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Yes, the Scorpio moon issues are very much like what you have said, may not be all.

The Person 1 also said that since she has posted about her BPD and the traits in social media, she receives a lot of messages from people that they thought they also have a BPD based on the traits she posted. She replies that people may experience some of BPD traits in their certain phase of life, so they should not be worried unless they have taken the BPD test and the result is BPD. There are some people who take the test and the result is they don't have BPD although they feel like they have it. So, only a test can recognize a BPD, but the traits help us to get warned. She also said there are some level in BPD and BPD can not be cured but can be controlled with some healthy life style or with right treatment.

I also thought my husband was a BPD or Narcissistic in the beginning of our relationship because he had all the traits but after he didn't have any contact with his ex (Scorpio moon/mercury/venus conjunct Pluto) for two years, he became like my duplicate, he imitated some of my behavior that I knew he didn't have it before. I was confused.

I have come to a realization that he actually has a tendency to absorb the quality of the people he frequently meets after he switches again acting like his Mother when he frequently interacts with her. Is it Crisis Identity? I don't know how to call it or what it is.

posted October 07, 2021 12:31 PM            

First things iv noticed in my chart that might explain this is, MANIAC in ARIES in my 1st house. BUT KEY FACTOR, Im late pisces rising. Which I think might add to it. Since Pisces are soft, Aries are hard. Both in my 1st.

Another is my Cancer stellium, Cancer venus, Cancer NN and Jupiter all conjunct in 4th house. Might make me prone to super bad mood swings.

Taurus moon in the 2nd, Jealousy issues.

Dejanira in 7th, could cause trauma in relationships to trigger BPD.

Virgo DC, might add to it! Im very picky with my partners.